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Subject: RE: BS: Mel's Dad... no Holocaust...
From: Amos
Date: 15 Mar 04 - 05:58 PM

His father in the above link seems to think it is, and should be, an attack. An excerpt from the article:

I learned that all men are not created equal, and those age-old aspersions of deicide against the Jews are as alive today as they were 2,000 years ago.

    I learned that "The Passion" was in fact made so that "everyone would intimately know the line" from Matthew 27:25: "His blood be upon us and our children," the cornerstone of the historic blood libel against the Jews.

I learned that a child's blind honor to a bigoted and racist parent is paramount, and that no wedge will ever be driven between them.

      In short, what I learned from Hutton Gibson and his passion was pure, unadulterated, toxic hatred.

       Perhaps most importantly, there really was a valuable message that I learned during Gibson's two-hour tirade: This vicious cycle of generational hate will end only when sons are courageous enough to stand up to the malevolence of their fathers.


Mel had a nutcase for a Dad and decided he couldn't stand against him. From such material are zealots and other forms of fanatics made.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: Mel's Dad... no Holocaust...
From: GUEST,Martin Gibson
Date: 15 Mar 04 - 05:29 PM

As a Jew reading through this thread I can relate to Mr. Foxman's resentment of Gargoyle's "facetious" position.

Non-Jews just don't really know what it feels or means to be hated for being a Jew and how hyper-sensitive Jews are to the holocaust, anti-semitism, etc. I know that non-Jews can be sympathetic and overall do not try to be hurtful, but all it takes is one misconstrued comment and the very core of a Jew's whole being can be affected.

Jews know all to well that there are those that deny the holocaust. Coming to this forum and having someone remind us just to be facetious, is really not-acceptable.

Gargoyle, if you have a Jewish girlfriend who as you say is very, very Jewish, I suggest that you dump her before she dumps you. If she is as Jewish as you say she is, your novelty will wear off as her dedication to her religion and heritage will eventually kick in. If not, there is no way she can be that observant. Just make sure you get a good bowl of motzoh ball soup before your inevitable demise.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mel's Dad... no Holocaust...
From: GUEST,C-watch
Date: 15 Mar 04 - 01:08 PM

Steve Feuerstein of WSNR interviewed Mel's dad. Here's what he learned from Mr. Gibson.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mel's Dad... no Holocaust...
From: Amos
Date: 09 Mar 04 - 12:49 PM

The sort of denial and falsification of the past that Gibson Sr seems to espouse is abysmal and evil compared to the facts that are on record. For example this review of a fgilm based on the last major Germna invasion, that of Hungary, where the decimation of Jews was pursued with adamant insanity long after it was clear the war was lost to Germany and would soon be over.

It is hard enough to sort out the real issues of life on this planet without having to fend off assholes. Don't get me wrong -- I'm an asshole myself, and some of my best friends are assholes. But not THAT kind of asshole. :>))

A


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Subject: RE: BS: Mel's Dad... no Holocaust...
From: GUEST,C-watch
Date: 09 Mar 04 - 11:16 AM

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/03/09/movies/09SPIE.html

From today's New York Times, an article about Stephen Spielberg's documentation of testimony of Holocaust survivors.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mel's Dad... no Holocaust...
From: InOBU
Date: 08 Mar 04 - 04:19 PM

Garg says...
"The current woman I am dating....is very, VERY Jewish..." My Dear GargG. I am surprised at you. This is the definition of oak tree evidence. You may recall that there is evidence that Mr. Hitler's Grandfather (I believe) was Jewish. Further, I am not one who thinks that misinformed = antisemetic. But, also, following your past arguements I should ask if you believe that the whole history of the Holocaust is a lie, or only that there are minute details which have been, in your light, falsified? If you feel that the whole history is untrue, perhapes you should ask your girl friend if she lost family. You will find most Jewish folks did.
Well, I can now include you in the bean eating jokes we sent with regards to Spaw.
Cheers all
Larry


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Subject: RE: BS: Mel's Dad... no Holocaust...
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Mar 04 - 01:56 PM

You lot are all sawing sawdust. Christ is dead, the politics of his time killed him.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mel's Dad... no Holocaust...
From: Cluin
Date: 07 Mar 04 - 07:52 PM

I didn't know you were Dutch, Gargoyle.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mel's Dad... no Holocaust...
From: Peace
Date: 07 Mar 04 - 07:47 PM

Good. Go back to bed.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mel's Dad... no Holocaust...
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 07 Mar 04 - 07:39 PM

Perhaps...this will help the pathetic scorching souls within this thread.

The current woman I am dating....is very, VERY Jewish.

I would no sooner gas her....than gas an "un-wanted-dog".....unless it were a simple fart under-the-covers and pulling the sheet over her head.

Sincerely,
Gargoyle

Time for a long MC vacation.....Saint Paddy's Day seems to require a litte....Germanic Omppaa, Paaa....from an acordian player.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mel's Dad... no Holocaust...
From: Peace
Date: 07 Mar 04 - 07:27 PM

LOL


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Subject: RE: BS: Mel's Dad... no Holocaust...
From: Cluin
Date: 07 Mar 04 - 06:50 PM

These people are.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mel's Dad... no Holocaust...
From: Peace
Date: 06 Mar 04 - 06:43 PM

No man is an island.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mel's Dad... no Holocaust...
From: dermod in salisbury
Date: 06 Mar 04 - 04:17 PM

Although he's been dead for a while, I think Oscar Wilde had a contribution to this discussion when he wrote :For each man kills the thing he loves, let this by all be known, some do it with a bitter word, some do it with a stone'.   

A bit of all of us is responsible for the terrible things humanity does.

Dermod


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Subject: RE: BS: Mel's Dad... no Holocaust...
From: Cluin
Date: 06 Mar 04 - 03:14 PM

I think when gargoyle said you can count him in with Mel's dad, he pretty much made his position clear, i.e. he doesn't believe the Holocaust happened. Usually, gargoyle just likes mixing things up a bit and hitting nerves to get people worked up here, while just being ambiguously offensive. But this time he slipped up.

Once again, I don't see how all the evidence and eye-witness accounts regarding the Holocaust can be seriously denied by these people... except that they are motivated by hate and bigotry. It is a despicable example of the pure evil that human beings can inflict on one another. How it gets to that point, I can't comprehend.

The NAZIs had a lot to answer for: the Holocaust (which included, in addition to millions of Jews, Gypsies, gays, Catholics, Communists, and anybody else on Adolph & Co's shitlist), eugenics programs, slaughter of children with mental retardation or birth defects, etc. Insanity on a national level.

But I still believe in free speech. And I don't think Mudcat should be vilified for providing it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mel's Dad... no Holocaust...
From: Peace
Date: 06 Mar 04 - 02:10 PM

The spelling of G-d is a habit I got into years ago. A friend told me about it. So, when the issue might attract Jewish people who feel that way, I spell it like that out of respect for their beliefs. They are not 'allowed' to see the fully spelled out name of G-d. It likely wouldn't bother Reform Jews, but it might Conservative and would Orthodox.

Bruce M


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Subject: RE: BS: Mel's Dad... no Holocaust...
From: Peace
Date: 06 Mar 04 - 02:00 PM

Gargoyle,

If that's so, I apologize.

Bruce M


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Subject: RE: BS: Mel's Dad... no Holocaust...
From: Ebbie
Date: 06 Mar 04 - 11:56 AM

I may be totally mistaken but I suspect that the garg was trying to be facetious, not giving us his own views but showing us that there is a world out there that continues to deny one of the greatest tragedies of all time, and his attempt went awry.

I surmise this from some of his posts in the past.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mel's Dad... no Holocaust...
From: GUEST,Abraham Foxman
Date: 06 Mar 04 - 10:10 AM

Brucie,

Thank you for your eloquence. Your words are greatly appreciated.

InOBU,

I understand and appreciate your intentions. However, the historical fact of the Holocaust is beyond question and to deny its reality is an act of hatred against Jews and other groups, like the Roma and others you mentioned.

Similarly, the fact of slavery in America is beyond question. To deny its reality is an act of hatred against African Americans.

It is shameful that Mudcat Cafe allows a Holocaust denier to diseminate hatred. Spreading hatred through lies has nothing to do with free speech.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mel's Dad... no Holocaust...
From: GUEST
Date: 06 Mar 04 - 08:57 AM

This is inconsequential thread drift, but I would appreciate it if someone would enlighten me.

Here's my question: Why do some writers, like brucie in his 06 MAR 04 2:11 AM post, substitute the "o" in God with a hyphen, like this: "G-d"? What does that mean? Thanks.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mel's Dad... no Holocaust...
From: InOBU
Date: 06 Mar 04 - 08:51 AM

My dear Brother Abraham:
All of us who have family whose ashes are mixed in the fields around the nazi death camps, the German death camps in all the countries they occupied, whose family members were murdered by peasant mobs who were given carte blanch to kill us, whose families were murdered by the death squads are a single family, Roma and Jewish. We could not escape our skins and our blood was our crime. The minority voices on forums such as this wether inspired by hatred of our blood or ignorence give us another chance to bear witness to the missing places at our tables in a greater community than our family gatherings when we alone see the empty places.
On August 3rd, in the past, we gathered for a memorial of shared memory in New York at Temple Emanu El. (I hope I spelled it properly). If we are not together this year, on Ziguener Nacht, know I am part of your family in joint rememberance.
Our witness will keep our memories alive. The greatest fear among Roma is to have ones name forgotten. We join in remember all the names, one name, the murdered in the Holocaust or Poramus.
Thanks to Mudcat for the opportunity to remember together, and I invite Gargoyle to visit the museum of Jewish heritage in New York, to see the Nazi board games on rounding up the Jews, the things made by innocent inmates of villages of death, photographs and objects which make up the evidence. You may never understand or believe, but I invite you to come and see.
Baxt, hai Satimos, hai Shalom Prala.
Larry


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Subject: RE: BS: Mel's Dad... no Holocaust...
From: Peace
Date: 06 Mar 04 - 02:43 AM

Sorry, Mary Jean,

You said it so well, and I just got it off my chest.

Bruce


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Subject: RE: BS: Mel's Dad... no Holocaust...
From: Peace
Date: 06 Mar 04 - 02:11 AM

Dear Abraham Foxman:

One of the things that made the Holocaust so terrible is people like some of those above. They do NOT see anything wrong with it. People have become ciphers, and we do not figure in their lives. Jabronski wrote about it in The "Ascent of Man", maybe one of the greater books ever written. His research showed that people condider themselves first and others later.

Jews have always pissed people off because they believe in a single
G-d. The Christian religion believes in a tri-particulate G-d. OK by me, but hard to fathom. With a name like Abraham, I figure you're Jewish. We take our belief from ONE G-d, and we have to address but also ignore people like Gargoyle. They have got bad information.

We are not the first to know people who had their lives taken by Nazi sons of bitches. We may be amongst the last because of our age. I don't doubt that people like him will eventually win. This is not about free speech. This about right. But, that won't matter. You rub it, and it turns into a suitcase. (Remember the guy who does circumcisions and save the foreskins? He takes them to a leather smith. The smith says, "Here's your wallet." The guy says, "A wallet?" The moyle [sp?] says, "Yes, a wallet. BUT, you rub it and it turns into a suitcase.")

There are those of us who have actually seen the numbers on the arms. I am one of those. I don't doubt that we will be considered for a similar fate, because numbers mean so much to people, and people mean so little.

People who think it is a matter of free speech miss the point. It is really about the justification of genocide. People do NOT like us. We have one G-d, and in the process of them getting theirs, we ended up being the bad guys. We will die with that one G-d in mind. Whether
G-d exists or not, we will die with honour. They will kill us with puke because that is all they have--not Christians, but people like the guy who said there was not enough gas to kill that many Jews. We gave them their G-d. What more do they want?

I will be with you at the fence, because there is not much else to do. G-d will sort it out. I may be amongst the chaff, but I will feel good about my death. They will just be dead.

It is tough to be Jewish. But our covenant is written in eternity. Basically, fuck 'em. They are talking about political shit, and we have a responsibility. We will live up to it. Jesus was Jewish, and that likely bothers them more than anything else. Smart boy. People who believe that the Holocaust didn't happen have been sold false information. They have problems. Too bad they make it our problem.

I hate those bastards, because they would have killed my children, simply because. The good side is that I am a really tough sonuvabitch, and when the time comes, I will take lots of them with me.

I know how upset you are. If I were Jewish, I would be upset, too. So, what's new? May they rot in the Hell they created. And may the people who agree with them become Jewish in their next life.

Bruce Murdoch


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Subject: RE: BS: Mel's Dad... no Holocaust...
From: LadyJean
Date: 06 Mar 04 - 01:26 AM

Did they fake all those godawful photographs from the camps?
The Holocaust never happened is right up there with chocolate cures cancer. I'd love to believe that human beings weren't capable of such cruelty, but I know better. I'd love to believe that my M&M habit will prevent malignancies. That seems more probable than that the holocaust never happened.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mel's Dad... no Holocaust...
From: MAG
Date: 06 Mar 04 - 12:11 AM

arguing with yourself again, eh?


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Subject: RE: BS: Mel's Dad... no Holocaust...
From: GUEST,Abraham Foxman
Date: 05 Mar 04 - 04:29 PM

InOBU,

I never had a chance to meet my grandparents, my aunts and my uncles. They were all murdered at Auschwitz. I grew up without the opportunity to even have cousins.

When I was growing up, many of the people I knew were Holocaust survivors, or like my generation, the children of Holocaust survivors. That my parents survived and went on to have a family of three children, was a miracle in itself.

It is an abomination that the Mudcat Cafe allows Gargoyle to sprout his neo-Nazi hatred here. A responsible forum does not allow itself to be used to spread hatred. Shame on Mudcat for allowing it and shame on you and other defenders, however well intentioned you may be, of Gargoyle and his neo-Nazi garbage.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mel's Dad... no Holocaust...
From: Peace
Date: 05 Mar 04 - 03:38 PM

Being nice won't change his mind, either. However, he hasn't made his beliefs clear. I fail to see that any reasonably sane individual could deny the Holocaust.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mel's Dad... no Holocaust...
From: InOBU
Date: 05 Mar 04 - 03:29 PM

I agree with Cluin:
And to Garg, I know folks who survived Auchswitz and I assure you it did happen. Small details like scratch marks on gass chamber doors don't disprove the event. I am convinced that millions of Jews where killed for the soul reason of their ethnicity, about 1/3 of the Roma population where killed for the same reason, others, Gays, Socialists, Trade Unionists and disenters were killed for things tolerated in civilized nations and that wounded German soldiers where killed if the German authorities felt there was no chance of what they concidered useful recovery. You are a guy who does seem to try the truth, and I think exposed to more you may change your mind.
To others, beating up on Garg wont change his mind, let's keep things civil, you may notice he (I expect) has been trying to be as caustic but in a much more polite way, and I think caustic and challenging is in keeping with free speach, attacking the speaker is not.
All the best
Larry


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Subject: RE: BS: Mel's Dad... no Holocaust...
From: Cluin
Date: 05 Mar 04 - 12:23 PM

Actually, it does, Abe.

It also has to do with free will and free thinking. If you want to be a tool and believe all you're told, whether by gargoyle or anybody else, that's your freedom too.

Gargoyle was right about one thing: do the research, then make up your mind.

Of course, if you did do the research I can't possibly see how you could deny the Holocaust happened....


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Subject: RE: BS: Mel's Dad... no Holocaust...
From: GUEST,Abraham Foxman
Date: 05 Mar 04 - 08:57 AM

That a seemingly reputable folk music site like Mudcate Cafe would allow itself to be used as a forum for Holocaust deniers like this Gargoyle character brings nothing but shame upon the whole site.

Allowing the Gargoyles of this world to sprout their neo-Nazi lies has nothing to do with free speech.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mel's Dad... no Holocaust...
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Mar 04 - 10:30 PM

hyperboyle....HYPERBOYLE....HYPERBOYLE

Those with the biggest mouth get heard...and unfortuately...believed.

Sincerely,
Gargoyle


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Subject: RE: BS: Mel's Dad... no Holocaust...
From: Peace
Date: 04 Mar 04 - 10:51 AM

Gargoyle,

I went to some of the sites you mentioned. They are sites that contain mention of people like Jim Keegstra, a man who taught holocaust revisionism in his social study classes in Alberta. His license to teach was revoked. Doug Christie is a lawyer who has defended many right-wing people who espouse race hatred and holocaust revision. Ernst Zundel is one of them. Alberta is a place where White Supremacy and shades of Nazism have a small handhold. It's like having vermin in the province. The revisionist sites you have posted are disgusting. If you seriously believe any of that crap ('the Holocaust didn't happen' view of history) I am very sorry for you. But, in truth, I am more sorry for us. People who say that stuff make me want to puke. And having access to those writings on the Mudcat sullies the best site on the internet.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mel's Dad... no Holocaust...
From: Peace
Date: 04 Mar 04 - 01:30 AM

www.nizkor.org/

You can Google this site if link won't work. Try--

Holocaust Educational Resource (Nizkor)

Bruce M


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Subject: RE: BS: Mel's Dad... no Holocaust...
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 04 Mar 04 - 12:05 AM

Three pablum-brained sites from several score:



Start here:


http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=55



http://www.humanitas-international.org/archive/dachau-liberation/lee-john.htm




http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v19/v19n2p60_Weber.html




Sincerly,

Gargoyle


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Subject: RE: BS: Mel's Dad... no Holocaust...
From: GUEST,,gargoyle
Date: 03 Mar 04 - 11:53 PM

Max....give me the OK I will start posting the pages.

Sincerely,
Gargoyle


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Subject: RE: BS: Mel's Dad... no Holocaust...
From: Amos
Date: 03 Mar 04 - 11:49 PM

Garg:

You're flapping again -- check the meds, wouldja?

A


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Subject: RE: BS: Mel's Dad... no Holocaust...
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 03 Mar 04 - 11:37 PM

Approximate web-tutelage-time 8 to 10 hours.

Sincerely,
Gargoyle

If you can visit the physical-site allow three hours walk-through for the space...and four hours viewing the exhibit.

Sincerely,
Gargoyle

Reflect and learn...that totalitarianism affected MANY MORE than a handful of jews.....and the "good-guys" were equally ruthless....the most recent bastion of "freedom" the "net" was shut-down six years ago under Clinton.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mel's Dad... no Holocaust...
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 03 Mar 04 - 11:23 PM

Read the history of Dachau.

Sincerely,
Gargoyle


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Subject: RE: BS: Mel's Dad... no Holocaust...
From: Backstage Manager(inactive)
Date: 03 Mar 04 - 06:29 PM

Reading what Gargoyle has said, I have no conclusion other than that he's a Holocaust denier.

Pretty sick.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mel's Dad... no Holocaust...
From: Peace
Date: 03 Mar 04 - 06:07 PM

I will echo Cluin: What's your point?


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Subject: RE: BS: Mel's Dad... no Holocaust...
From: Cluin
Date: 03 Mar 04 - 01:26 PM

I missed your point, Gargoyle.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mel's Dad... no Holocaust...
From: InOBU
Date: 03 Mar 04 - 01:26 PM

Hi Kim: Yes it was fiction, however, not unlike if one wrote a film about the valent anti German underground of the town of Auswitz - led by the promenent Jewish citizens, who met at their synogog to discus openly support of the British and Americans, and the film neglected the camp next door, some FICTION is just so unbelievable that one has to question the sensitivity or intentions of the film maker.
Cheers
Larry


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Subject: RE: BS: Mel's Dad... no Holocaust...
From: Kim C
Date: 03 Mar 04 - 11:45 AM

Crispus Attucks - but if memory serves me right, he wasn't a soldier. I believe he was an innocent bystander, but I could be wrong.

I might could see your point if The Patriot had been a movie about slavery, but it wasn't, and it wasn't even really a movie about history. It was historical FICTION very loosely based on a few real people and events.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mel's Dad... no Holocaust...
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 02 Mar 04 - 09:05 PM

You can count me in with Mel's dad!

The final nail in the coffin-of-credibility, was the Rabbi who testified to an eye-witness account of "the fingernail scratchs inside the gas-chamber-doors of the Dachau Gas Chamber."

Sincerely,
Gargoyle

Research it folks.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mel's Dad... no Holocaust...
From: dianavan
Date: 02 Mar 04 - 08:58 PM

Gareth -

Was that said before the church entered Bezier or Carcasonne?

Who said it? I'm not sure.

...and yes, sorefingers, lets just say that Paul, "sexed up" (or down) the documents to consolidate the power. Remember also, that the power of the word was strictly in the hands of the church for many years. Except, of course, for the Jewish scribes and the Arab scholars. But then, they had very little interest in the Jesus story.
I think it is safe to assume that many, many texts have been burned and banned by the power of the Vatican. Isn't that why the dark ages were so dark?

d

d


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Subject: RE: BS: Mel's Dad... no Holocaust...
From: Gareth
Date: 02 Mar 04 - 07:04 PM

From History -

"Kill them all, God will know his own"

A cynical Gareth

Hmmm ! Which or what God ?


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Subject: RE: BS: Mel's Dad... no Holocaust...
From: InOBU
Date: 02 Mar 04 - 05:45 PM

Hi Kim: I never said they didn't. One of the first causualties was ... Christopher Attics? I think his name was? Who was Black. The point is, that in "Patriot" you would hardly know there was ANY slavery in South Carolina... a hellish place for slaves.
Cheers
Larry


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Subject: RE: BS: Mel's Dad... no Holocaust...
From: GUEST,sorefingers
Date: 02 Mar 04 - 02:31 PM

Gee, if I thought the NT was a true record of what happened in 1-33 ad I would be rich getting all those contemporary Roman documents printed; but, OC we know there were very few almost no such documents.

Now why would that be?

Maybe the whole thing as presented in the NT is dressed up to look like a far bigger thing? Perhaps the Mithracising Paul and a few more like him decided to gain more power? Who knows.

If you want to read about the opposing view of the event - from believers OC - you should look up the Hamadi texts - banned by the early Church and ordered burned.

Prophet maybe - Messiah ... naw. Besides the millions of Jewish people brutaly murdered during WW2 is a far bigger thing than one in 33 ad.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mel's Dad... no Holocaust...
From: Kim C
Date: 02 Mar 04 - 01:50 PM

Black Soldiers in the Revolution


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Date: 02 Mar 04 - 01:44 PM

Larry, the Continental Army did, in fact, accept black recruits.


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