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BS: On the cowardly nature of GUEST postings

GUEST,forever undulating 16 Jan 04 - 07:22 AM
GUEST,Jim Knowledge 16 Jan 04 - 07:49 AM
McGrath of Harlow 16 Jan 04 - 07:51 AM
Amos 16 Jan 04 - 08:49 AM
The Shambles 16 Jan 04 - 10:28 AM
Thomas the Rhymer 16 Jan 04 - 10:56 AM
The Shambles 16 Jan 04 - 08:01 PM
Thomas the Rhymer 16 Jan 04 - 10:07 PM
Cluin 17 Jan 04 - 01:42 AM
The Shambles 17 Jan 04 - 04:46 AM
GUEST,Jim Knowledge 17 Jan 04 - 07:15 AM
The Shambles 17 Jan 04 - 09:20 AM
The Shambles 18 Jan 04 - 04:17 AM
freda underhill 18 Jan 04 - 07:53 AM
GUEST,back to the top 18 Jan 04 - 09:52 PM
Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull 18 Jan 04 - 10:02 PM
Ella who is Sooze 16 Feb 04 - 04:25 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: On the cowardly nature of GUEST postings
From: GUEST,forever undulating
Date: 16 Jan 04 - 07:22 AM

I saw the many minds that speake
With such a flow and ebb
Upon the little patch of thread
That catters call the web

it's like a mirror, bright and clear
reflecting every face
And every wand'ring mind that speaks
upon this open space

for as we mingle in this flood
of faces, friends and foe
we do reveal our own true hearts
our inner secrets glow.

while to ourselves we may be blind
as our catharsis bleeds
our psychic entrails flood the page
within our words are seeds

seeds of life and seeds of hope
of bitterness and grief
as in our public purging
we ensure our own relief.

would that i could see into my own soul
as i can see in yours
for then my own world would be whole
effect would know its cause..

f.u.


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Subject: RE: BS: On the cowardly nature of GUEST postings
From: GUEST,Jim Knowledge
Date: 16 Jan 04 - 07:49 AM

I once `ad that Wordsworth in my cab,
I drove `im up to Brixto `ill.
I asked `im what `e wanted there,
`E said " To see a dafferdil".
I says there aint one to be found.
A dandelion p`raps or two.
`E sighs and says to me in tears.
"I s`pose that two`ll `ave to do"

Copyright 2004 johnh.hills@virgin.net
(Apologies to Hugh Jampton)


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Subject: RE: BS: On the cowardly nature of GUEST postings
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 16 Jan 04 - 07:51 AM

Various forms of sonnet - the one Amos cited (14 lines, ababcdcdefef gg) is the Shakespearian version. Also available in the original Petrarchian variety, the Spenserian and the Miltonic, all of which also have fourteen lines. There's also the Curtal-Sonnet invented by Gerard Manley Hopkins, which has ten and a half lines. And the metre in English normally is iambic pentametre.

I didn't know all that off the top of my head - I checked it in a handy book called "A reader's guide to Literary Terms". And while doing so reminded of the enormous variety of poetical forms we don't bother to use.

As Amos said up above, rhyme is not the beginning and end of verse. In fact it's completely dispensable. Getting the metre/rhythm right (even in free verse - in fact especially in free verse) is far more important - as with music, where getting the rhythm wrong is far more damaging than getting the notes wrong.


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Subject: RE: BS: On the cowardly nature of GUEST postings
From: Amos
Date: 16 Jan 04 - 08:49 AM

JK,

That was odd, but loverly!

A


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Subject: RE: BS: On the cowardly nature of GUEST postings
From: The Shambles
Date: 16 Jan 04 - 10:28 AM

The bottle may be shattered
But it's the message that matters
So if it washes on your shore
Don't join the roars
Of clashing egos and crashing bores

Roger Gall 1997

As the point of both song and poetry is communication - does not the detail and form of how the idea is written, presented or performed matter far less than that the idea is conveyed? After the original idea is conveyed, many knowledgable critics may subsequently be able to identify the meter that a poet has used or the tune used by a songwriter and to suggests ways that it could be improved.


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Subject: RE: BS: On the cowardly nature of GUEST postings
From: Thomas the Rhymer
Date: 16 Jan 04 - 10:56 AM

T'was I "Thomas the poet", forsooks in deed I would
Fathom whats below it, there, the shelf where knick knacks stood
For in those books of metered rhyme, are many forms and 'ameters
And when I'm done with pickled time, I choose my own perameters

But this is my organic toast to open and invention
For twisted is the braggarts boast, exclusive intervention
If you are so offended by a certain form or meter
Your thoughts are not desended from beyond the gates of Peter

A rhyme can be a rhythm's crown, though you'd distain to know it
But cynics dominate the town, and aren't afraid to show it
Nibble a carrot with a frown, illusions did not grow it
Process does not know reknown, critique can't make a poet


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Subject: RE: BS: On the cowardly nature of GUEST postings
From: The Shambles
Date: 16 Jan 04 - 08:01 PM

With appreciation and in the hope that imitation will be considered as the sincerest form of flattery.

'Ad that William Blake, on my bus
'Ad a 'bow of burning gold'
I said " you can't bring that on 'ere
Didn't do what 'e was told
Produced these 'arrows of desire'
The passengers got quite fruity
Chucked 'im off before his sword woke up
Well, I 'ad to do 'me duty

Bugger me! I looked behind
Missiles 'shootin' past 'me ears
'E was riding this 'chariot of fire'
And 'chuckin all these spears
'E told the clouds - to unfold
'Then 'e overtook – the sod
I told 'im to get off and walk
'Im and the 'Lamb of God'!

I looked as 'e speed away
Over 'those 'clouded hills'
Me countenance - less than divine
I 'ad one of me pills
Thought about his building plans
Though I admire a man with vision
'E 'ad better not go building 'ere
Not without planning permission

Well Jerusalem has trouble enough
Don't think 'e will improve it
England's pastures green or not
Not the best idea to move it
Move 'the wailing wall' to Surrey?
Is 'e the one to try?
For 'e's the bloke that tries to rhyme
'Symmetry' with 'eye'

*Smiles*


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Subject: RE: BS: On the cowardly nature of GUEST postings
From: Thomas the Rhymer
Date: 16 Jan 04 - 10:07 PM

Nice peice o wark! Truly up to date... A+
ttr


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Subject: RE: BS: On the cowardly nature of GUEST postings
From: Cluin
Date: 17 Jan 04 - 01:42 AM

All sing in chorus:

On the cowardly nature of GUEST postings,
On the cowardly nature of GUEST postings,
On the cowardly nature of GUEST postings,
On the cowardly nature of GUEST...
Post...
Ings!...

We simply must...
Say...



I'm sorry. We're out of time.


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Subject: RE: BS: On the cowardly nature of GUEST postings
From: The Shambles
Date: 17 Jan 04 - 04:46 AM

I did come up with another contribution for here but as it was bit musical and on-topic too - it can be seen by clicking on the following thread.

What is folk? IN SONG


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Subject: RE: BS: On the cowardly nature of GUEST postings
From: GUEST,Jim Knowledge
Date: 17 Jan 04 - 07:15 AM

Oi, Would you Adam & Eve it. That Shambles is only nicking my customers. I`ve got two wives, a baby and Stout and Bitter to support. Struth!!


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Subject: RE: BS: On the cowardly nature of GUEST postings
From: The Shambles
Date: 17 Jan 04 - 09:20 AM

All of us knows our place
No need to make a fuss
Wordsworth can afford a taxi
Billy Blake would take the bus

LOL


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Subject: RE: BS: On the cowardly nature of GUEST postings
From: The Shambles
Date: 18 Jan 04 - 04:17 AM

If we see ourselves - as others see us
Maybe the truth will finally free us?

BBC Radio 2 Folk message board


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Subject: RE: BS: On the cowardly nature of GUEST postings
From: freda underhill
Date: 18 Jan 04 - 07:53 AM

if effect then knows its cause
then we'll solve the planet's wars
for each side will take some blame
and then move on - to a different game.


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Subject: RE: BS: On the cowardly nature of GUEST postings
From: GUEST,back to the top
Date: 18 Jan 04 - 09:52 PM

it worked


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Subject: RE: BS: On the cowardly nature of GUEST postings
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 18 Jan 04 - 10:02 PM

heloo, how do you write things in a different name?


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Subject: RE: BS: On the cowardly nature of GUEST postings
From: Ella who is Sooze
Date: 16 Feb 04 - 04:25 AM

Dear all...

I'm a bit perplexed and a little bit annoyed... But, the above postings by Guest ella, were not from me - I've just discovered this by looking for a thread I contributed to a while ago and didn't see for ages and spotted this ella.

I don't get much time nowadays to post, so have been popping in a catching up on the threads when I can.

With regards all

Ella


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