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BS: On the cowardly nature of GUEST postings

McGrath of Harlow 06 Jan 04 - 05:55 PM
GUEST,Martin Gibson 06 Jan 04 - 06:07 PM
McGrath of Harlow 06 Jan 04 - 06:16 PM
Bill D 06 Jan 04 - 06:23 PM
Bill D 06 Jan 04 - 06:26 PM
katlaughing 06 Jan 04 - 06:50 PM
akenaton 06 Jan 04 - 07:01 PM
GUEST,ella 06 Jan 04 - 07:36 PM
McGrath of Harlow 06 Jan 04 - 08:11 PM
Big Mick 06 Jan 04 - 08:11 PM
mousethief 06 Jan 04 - 09:06 PM
Peace 06 Jan 04 - 09:22 PM
Bill D 06 Jan 04 - 11:46 PM
katlaughing 07 Jan 04 - 12:34 AM
Big Mick 07 Jan 04 - 01:25 AM
Thomas the Rhymer 07 Jan 04 - 02:40 AM
The Shambles 07 Jan 04 - 06:34 AM
GUEST 07 Jan 04 - 08:08 AM
Oaklet 07 Jan 04 - 08:23 AM
GUEST 07 Jan 04 - 10:34 AM
Art Thieme 07 Jan 04 - 10:35 AM
GUEST,satchel 07 Jan 04 - 10:47 AM
McGrath of Harlow 07 Jan 04 - 10:57 AM
GUEST,Bill Buethe 07 Jan 04 - 05:27 PM
Jerry Rasmussen 07 Jan 04 - 05:57 PM
McGrath of Harlow 07 Jan 04 - 06:09 PM
harpgirl 07 Jan 04 - 06:12 PM
Jerry Rasmussen 07 Jan 04 - 06:16 PM
Little Hawk 07 Jan 04 - 06:48 PM
Bill D 07 Jan 04 - 07:07 PM
GUEST,ella 07 Jan 04 - 07:09 PM
Bill D 07 Jan 04 - 07:12 PM
McGrath of Harlow 07 Jan 04 - 07:58 PM
GUEST,ella 07 Jan 04 - 08:22 PM
Peace 07 Jan 04 - 08:29 PM
akenaton 07 Jan 04 - 08:32 PM
GUEST 07 Jan 04 - 08:49 PM
McGrath of Harlow 07 Jan 04 - 08:56 PM
GUEST 07 Jan 04 - 09:02 PM
GUEST,ella 07 Jan 04 - 09:05 PM
GUEST 07 Jan 04 - 09:19 PM
Peace 07 Jan 04 - 09:44 PM
katlaughing 07 Jan 04 - 10:07 PM
Amos 07 Jan 04 - 10:15 PM
Bill D 08 Jan 04 - 12:21 AM
GUEST,satchel 08 Jan 04 - 09:50 AM
GUEST,ella 08 Jan 04 - 01:35 PM
Peace 08 Jan 04 - 02:02 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: On the cowardly nature of GUEST postings
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 06 Jan 04 - 05:55 PM

This thread is quite nasty at present,
with a "GUEST" who, as GUESTS go, just doesn't.
Doing it in rhyme doesn't take up much time,
and it somehow makes things much more pleasant.


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Subject: RE: BS: On the cowardly nature of GUEST postings
From: GUEST,Martin Gibson
Date: 06 Jan 04 - 06:07 PM

Listen, Bill D. and I am replying to you.

First of all I am not stupid enough to threaten you or anyone else. I wouldn't waste my time, there is nothing to threaten anyone about.

I DON'T KNOW YOU AND I DON'T CARE!

I might think your opinions really suck or you maybe have no talent, but I would never threaten you.

Being outspoken is not a crime, as you said. As far as Amos goes, it seems like his standards have to be everyone elses. I reserve the right to criticize you, pally. If you can dish it out, you have got to also take it. So you are Amos on this forum. so what?

As I have said before, too many get blurred into what is reality and what isn't.


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Subject: RE: BS: On the cowardly nature of GUEST postings
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 06 Jan 04 - 06:16 PM

Listen, Bill D. and I am replying to you.
First of all I am not stupid enough to
threaten you or anyone else.
I wouldn't waste my time,
there is nothing to threaten anyone about.

I DON'T KNOW YOU AND I DON'T CARE!

I might think your opinions really suck
or you maybe have no talent, but
I would never threaten you.

Being outspoken is not a crime, as you said.
As far as Amos goes, it seems like his standards
have to be everyone elses.
I reserve the right to criticize you, pally.
If you can dish it out, you have got to also take it.
So you are Amos on this forum.
So what?

As I have said before,
too many get blurred into what is reality
and what isn't.


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Subject: RE: BS: On the cowardly nature of GUEST postings
From: Bill D
Date: 06 Jan 04 - 06:23 PM

..umm...you care enough to yell at me..*wry grin*
I don't think I ever suggested you might threaten me, and it was not you I was worried about, you were just the current example of a non-member....and obviously, I still don't know who made the other post. You at least 'usually' sign your posts and can be replied to when it seems relevant.

I guess we have all made our points, such as they are, and are unlikely to win each other over. I'll retire from this one too, I guess.


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Subject: RE: BS: On the cowardly nature of GUEST postings
From: Bill D
Date: 06 Jan 04 - 06:26 PM

blank verse, Kevin? wow, I wish I could do poetry...but somehow, it,uh...seems familar ;>)


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Subject: RE: BS: On the cowardly nature of GUEST postings
From: katlaughing
Date: 06 Jan 04 - 06:50 PM

I read in a comma where I shouln't have. So, to correct what I said, yes, I would want to know the name of someone who chooses to attack, for all of the reasons BillD has stated.

Oh, and Martin Gibson, I don't give a rat's ass, either...

kat


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Subject: RE: BS: On the cowardly nature of GUEST postings
From: akenaton
Date: 06 Jan 04 - 07:01 PM

Come Back Thomas......All is Forgiven...


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Subject: RE: BS: On the cowardly nature of GUEST postings
From: GUEST,ella
Date: 06 Jan 04 - 07:36 PM

Bill D --- I think you hit the proverbial nail, when you wrote "non- member", I thought this was about anon guests? You aren't really happy with any sort of guest are you?

Some of you object to non-members, some object to anon guests, some of you object to everyone who has a differing opinion to your own ; so it is difficult to know who your gripe is actually with. But more of you are in touch with reality, and have a sense of perspective on this.

When I post here, I really don't intend to mortally offend anyone by not putting my real name. But lately I have seen far more posts about guests, than by guests.They maybe were a problem for you in the past, but it doesn't appear to be so now? Not that I read absolutely everything here, but I have just not come across any of the scurrilous posts referred to above. And it appears they were members at the time anyway, or maybe I have misinterpreted that?

Some of the guest postings are pure quick wittedness, and really add fine humor to the forum. I think it would be far duller without them.

Perhaps we should hope that the trouble you once had from disgruntled members has disappeared, and embrace everyone.


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Subject: RE: BS: On the cowardly nature of GUEST postings
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 06 Jan 04 - 08:11 PM

Not blank verse, that's free verse, in the tradition of Archie. Except that, unlike Don Marquis' erudite cockroach, I could work the shift key; so it's got Upper Case as well.

Buit I think it comes across a lot better laid out that way.


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Subject: RE: BS: On the cowardly nature of GUEST postings
From: Big Mick
Date: 06 Jan 04 - 08:11 PM

It simply comes down to this, GUEST, no matter how you try to change it. We have many fine Guest posts on this forum. It is not member/nonmember that causes me to react. It is when I see posts that are intended to be disruptive and mean spirited. I consider this to be the act of a bully, and I believe firmly that the only way to deal with bullies is to give them a dose of their own salt. If they are using anonymity to spread venom then I will expose them if I can find a way. If they are creating a false premise, then I will expose the premise. If they are using red herring tactics, then I will do my best to expose that.

It is not about agreeing with me. There are plenty of examples in my past posts that show disagreement with my positions. It is about attempting to disrupt to assuage the demons that reside in some people. The anonymity isn't the issue, because as Clinton points out everyone and no one is really anon on the net. It is when they are using anon as a shield for the destructive acts.

For what it is worth, Martin Gibson, I find many of your posts have great value here. But when you attempt to defend nameless GUEST who have an axe to grind, we part ways. And you do ID yourself, even if only with the nom de guerre you choose to post under.

Mick


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Subject: RE: BS: On the cowardly nature of GUEST postings
From: mousethief
Date: 06 Jan 04 - 09:06 PM

I note that no one here has even suggested that level of threat is being made against anyone here,

It has been made to me, by anonymous posters, on this very board, because I happened to say that I have friends who are Palestinian and I deplore some of the things the Israeli Defence Force does to the Palestinians.

If I knew their names, I would tell the police.


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Subject: RE: BS: On the cowardly nature of GUEST postings
From: Peace
Date: 06 Jan 04 - 09:22 PM

I figure ya gotta have the balls to stand up for what ya believe. Seems pretty simple to me. Posting under a name at least allows the people with whom ya disagree to message ya and clarify or get in touch to tell ya what an idiot ya are. I've had the good fortune to be an idiot on a few occasions--OK, maybe more than a few, and it has allowed me to meet three people with whom I correspond now and then. Don't get much better 'n that. I wrote to apologize for stupid stuff I'd said, and they were kind enough to accept the apologies. Now, we're friends. Anonymous GUESTS likely won't have that opportunity. That's sad. To me, the Mudcat is a site whereon people give their honest and considered views. They don't all agree with mine, but it would be a boring world if that were the case.

I notice, for example, that mousethief and I would likely disagree with regard to the Palestinian/Israeli conflict, each of us seeing the other as being wrong. However, I'm not about to get abusive about it. I don't doubt, over time, we'd reach the conclusion that the other is a bit wrong AND a bit right. That said, I think it is always appropriate to know who one's accuser is. It just seems fair, that's all.

Bruce Murdoch


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Subject: RE: BS: On the cowardly nature of GUEST postings
From: Bill D
Date: 06 Jan 04 - 11:46 PM

mousethief (Alex)does not post as often as he once did, due to changes in daily life, but he was/is a thoughtful, honest person with a wide variety of interests... whose opinions are his own, and who never hid from anyone. His world and life are quite different from mine, but I repect him and was appalled at some of the abuse he got for his views. I do NOT respect the coward(s) who threatened him, and incidents like that are part of why I enter these debates occasionally.


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Subject: RE: BS: On the cowardly nature of GUEST postings
From: katlaughing
Date: 07 Jan 04 - 12:34 AM

Well said, brucie and BillD!


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Subject: RE: BS: On the cowardly nature of GUEST postings
From: Big Mick
Date: 07 Jan 04 - 01:25 AM

Absolutely agree with that, Bill. I thought the comments were reprehensible. Alex has been a great 'Catter, and his not being around as much has diminished the place.

Mick


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Subject: RE: BS: On the cowardly nature of GUEST postings
From: Thomas the Rhymer
Date: 07 Jan 04 - 02:40 AM

And thankfully those who remain in the fold
Even when the wind blows, to equate with the bold
As people are needed, all open and daring
To be unimpeded, with sharing and caring

The problem for me is anonymous grating
With no need to agree, with a posture berating
And scarcely a mention of rather good wishes
For the betterment of our good sleep so delicious

And who am I really to say what is right?
As my questions are silly, and let people fight
But I do seek resolve, in what ways that we can
For we all revolve, and evolve as a plan

And always it's effort, to mean what we say
As nameless aggressors, send benders our way
These actors premeditate, hurtful entedre
With no thought to mediate, but stab and then wander

So, without here a kinship, these authors astray
Will find here no friendship, but demons to slay
And to win lonely battles, with only one fighting
Are but cowardly prattles, ...it's these that I'm slighting.
ttr


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Subject: RE: BS: On the cowardly nature of GUEST postings
From: The Shambles
Date: 07 Jan 04 - 06:34 AM

Tried this before but only made things worse
Never before have I tried it in verse
Might be a foolish hope I know
Perhaps our forum can be allowed to grow?

Will we never learn from the pain?
Making the same mistakes again and again?
We know the answer is toleration
And abuse is abuse, whatever the justification

The abusive post is of course taboo
Except when it comes from the chosen few
A place where the double standard rules
Where wise men are being made of fools

Praise the vision of our creator
Not the bully, clone nor moderator
He created this garden and cannot today
Understand why we just can't go out and play

The dream was a forum for sisters and brothers
Not a freedom for one, being denied to others
Open to all – that was the plan
Not just a few - a clique or a clan

But that still is the plan – guests ARE invited!
If we set the example – we can all be united
I think this welcome is often hollow
The example being set - not one to follow

It is not who is saying it but what is being said
All this is lost – when you close down a thread
Respect every post – as if it were your friend
One you would always be prepared to defend.

Post what you like – ignore what you don't
If you don't abuse- perhaps others won't
Encourage the positive – just ignore what is not
Share out the ration – don't piss in the pot.

Agree, disagree or make no reaction
Just never ask for editing action
Save these requests for your own posts
Don't waste time hunting witches and ghosts.


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Subject: RE: BS: On the cowardly nature of GUEST postings
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Jan 04 - 08:08 AM

Please do not overlook the Northern Ireland factor, anyone from NI who leaves their name on any Site is taking a chance.


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Subject: RE: BS: On the cowardly nature of GUEST postings
From: Oaklet
Date: 07 Jan 04 - 08:23 AM

Good point, GUEST. In a similar vein, I'd like to offer "never buy underwear for oneself at a car boot sale".


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Subject: RE: BS: On the cowardly nature of GUEST postings
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Jan 04 - 10:34 AM

Guest Ella nailed it.

Anyone else getting dizzy reading all the 'bash the guest' arguments from the Sanctified Membership (Mudcat tm)?


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Subject: RE: BS: On the cowardly nature of GUEST postings
From: Art Thieme
Date: 07 Jan 04 - 10:35 AM

...and never buy "Fresh Fish" from a car with Oklahoma plates !!

Alas,

I think that I will never see,
A poem as bad as Kilmer's Trees.
So here I leave the rhyme scheme of that horrid verse
With hopes that never ere
Shall I be known to write,
A poem that's any worse.---Art Thieme

"Difference of Opinions. That's what makes horse races."---Pete Seeger

Art


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Subject: RE: BS: On the cowardly nature of GUEST postings
From: GUEST,satchel
Date: 07 Jan 04 - 10:47 AM

I've posted many times as a guest, offering knowledge, help, expertise, and occasionally political opinion. Quite frankly, the reason I DON'T register as a member is the sanctimonious attitudes of some of the members, which has been proven once again by this thread. Boring, nasty, and hateful. Shame on you.

Another good thread that exposes the true nature of MEMBERS' passive-aggressiveness was the "Seeking Traveling Companion" thread a few weeks ago. I was ready to join Mudcat, then that thread began and the somehow superior "members" of the forum accused the poor poster of everything from bestiality to being a serial killer.

After seeing the shabby reception some members give to GUESTS, I really don't want everyone to know who I am. I still, however, have plenty of valuable stuff for members and guests of this forum. I tend not to insult people unless they are blatantly racist or sexist. I am, however, continually frustrated by posters--members and guests--who treat this forum like it was the most important thing in the world to the degree that some threads degenerate into outright hostility.

As for the threats to mousethief, even anonymous posts can be traced by the appropriate law enforcement agencies, at least to the computer from which they were sent.

Honestly, I've seen more insults from registered members who are threatened that outsiders might be encroaching on "their thing" than I have from most guests, who just want their questions answered or just want to offer info. This is, after all, supposed to be a knowledge base and an informational FORUM, not just a good-old-boys and -girls club.

Finally, many of you know me. We've met at festivals and gigs. If any members really need to know who I am, spend some of the ample time that you clearly have and follow the breadcrumbs from my posts.   I suspect you'll be disappointed, because the main reason I have chosen to remain anonymous is simply to step away from the role of being the person everybody knows at certain festivals and gigs.

If it is absolutely critical to know my name before you take my musical advice, I will email you privately.

I truly hope this is the last thread on this hostile, divisive topic.


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Subject: RE: BS: On the cowardly nature of GUEST postings
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 07 Jan 04 - 10:57 AM

I find it a puzzle when a GUEST with no name
defends the fine freedom to bash and defame;
and then turns around in a flash, to protest
that it's mean and offensive to challenge a GUEST.

But the truth of the matter is, there's no real quarrel;
it's our GUEST once again "shooting fish in a barrel".


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Subject: RE: BS: On the cowardly nature of GUEST postings
From: GUEST,Bill Buethe
Date: 07 Jan 04 - 05:27 PM

You know McGrath, et al. In your efforts to get your Mudcat friends to notice what clever rhymers you are, you are actually missing a lot of opportunities to actually communicate with some polite guests, who are trying to communicate with the members. I think they would like the members to understand they are feeling frustrated, alienated, and picked upon.

I can't fathom the reason why some of you keep taunting contributors like Guest, Ella and Guest, Satchel (who seem to be making a genuine effort to reach out to members) by ignorning their posts, then adding new rhymes/posts that are demeaning to them?

That sort of behavior of members is a large part of the problem for guest posters. A very vocal minority of the membership acts as if anyone posting as a guest, whether with or without a name, are a single, monolithic entity, rather than what we are: guests.


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Subject: RE: BS: On the cowardly nature of GUEST postings
From: Jerry Rasmussen
Date: 07 Jan 04 - 05:57 PM

And in this corner, wearing the black trunks....

C'mon guys... move on. What else is there to say?

I'm with you, pdq (and my friend Bill D, too,) but nuffs enuff.

Now, I want you to shake hands and come out singing..

Some of my best friends are people.

Jerry


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Subject: RE: BS: On the cowardly nature of GUEST postings
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 07 Jan 04 - 06:09 PM

In my posts I've said the same things in verse that I'd say in prose. That was how the thread started, evidently in the hope that doing it this way would make it a bit better natured. I can't see how it's any harder to read verse than prose; if anything the reverse. And it can take the edge off a controversy, and perhaps lend some additional interest to making, and perhaps reading, arguments that have already been re-treaded several times.

Once again, not in verse this time, if you insist, Bill:

If anybody has ever expressed hostility to GUESTS as such, I haven't seen it.

The criticism is of people who insist on posting just as GUEST, for reasons which have often been explained, and in particular of people who use the threads to insult others. It makes no difference whether these are non-members, or members choosing temporarily to ditch their cookies, so as to be able to post in a way that ensures that any response has to be in the thread rather than in a Personal Message.

I've seen many times where people have made this point and I've made it myself in this thread. But both GUEST Ella and GUEST Satchel, and yourself, Bill, continue to talk as if this kind of hostility towards people who aren't members was the issue.

There just isn't any such hostility. But that doesn't stop people pretending there is. I hope that's just a misunderstanding, rather than an attempt to muddy the water.

"Come out singing"... yes that's another way of doing it.


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Subject: RE: BS: On the cowardly nature of GUEST postings
From: harpgirl
Date: 07 Jan 04 - 06:12 PM

As I have said before, a structural change at Mudcat would eliminate this fight. It is pointless to argue about whom is ruder to whom. The artificial difference created by the ability to post as guest or member with name or guest with any name creates the problem which is manifested in posts. Solve that problem and you solve the "rudeness" problem.

"Personality" problems in organizations can always be solved with a structural change. Max wants it this way and hopes for us all to change our behavior but that is much less predictable than the result of a structural change on human internet behavior. So we fight.


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Subject: RE: BS: On the cowardly nature of GUEST postings
From: Jerry Rasmussen
Date: 07 Jan 04 - 06:16 PM

Hey, Satchel: I'm glad that you stop by here. You, and several other guests who contribute positively to Mudcat. And, not all nasty comments come from Guests. Saying that Guests are flamers is as dumb as saying that Members are condescending and unfriendly. Or that all black people eat watermelon. Generalities inflame and divide. And in the process, the baby gets thrown out with the bath water.

And people think the conversations between Palestine and Israel get heated? They got nothin' on Mudcat at times. I'm as sorry for those Mudcatters who tar and feather all guests (although they will insist, when called, that there are good guests, too,) as I am for those Guests who seem to get their jollies out of inflaming members. It's a real shame. Threads like this just fan the flames. It's a chance to be clever, or get nasty, for some folks on each side. But, there are people on both sides who are sincere and over a glass of bear (at John9's) might find each other to be wonderful company.

I welcome anyone who can disagree in a civil way. Members or Guests.

The good thing about members is that you can communicate with them by PM. I don't know you, Satchel, or many other Guests who come in good will. But, my e-mail address is posted... it's geraldrasmussen@SBCglobal.net.

I wrote another post that didn't come up on my computer. If I've ended up repeating myself, maybe it's worth saying twice...

Jerry


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Subject: RE: BS: On the cowardly nature of GUEST postings
From: Little Hawk
Date: 07 Jan 04 - 06:48 PM

Mudcat's finest hour is yet to come...when William Shatner joins as an official member and replaces Spaw as Mudcat's reigning Elder Weirdo.

- LH


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Subject: RE: BS: On the cowardly nature of GUEST postings
From: Bill D
Date: 07 Jan 04 - 07:07 PM

one more time (in response to Ella)...I am not against in principle people remaining 'non members'. Being registered has certain advantages, for both the member and for others, as it makes 'private' communications possible when needed, but it is NOT a big issue. The issue is, and has always been, those who use anonymity to hide while behaving rudely. (read again my post of 5 Jan. 1:01PM)
I am a bit weary of the generalization that objection to nasty anonymity implies objection to *all* those who choose not to join. It is polite to use a consistant name when posting, even when one's remarks are not polite or friendly, and lack of this courtesy will indeed get remarks made about it.


to satchel-
I'm very sorry you were put off by some postings, and I have indeed read some of yours--which were, as you say, interesting & helpful--but being a member or not will not change their post or yours. You do cut yourself off from some advantages in remaining un-registered, but as far as *I* am concerned you are welcome here anyway! ANYONE who simply joins in the daily routine here in a decent way, as you have done, is welcome...(and 'most' others agree with me.. I am trying to think of exactly who does not...)

Being a 'member' does not make you less anonymous, if you don't publish details about yourself, though, and I must disagree with your claim that...."even anonymous posts can be traced by the appropriate law enforcement agencies, at least to the computer from which they were sent."
As I said in response to Clinton a ways back, that is only true IF the poster is careless. It is quite possible to post in ways that make it extremely difficult to identify you, even to determined law enforcement agencies. Perhaps the one who threatened mousethief took enough precautions that cursory investigations were inadequate. I won't post HOW that can be done, although is is not a big secret. (No need encouraging that behaviour to those who don't need to know, and only want to harass.)

"Membership" here allows you to do wonderful things like getting a list of all the posts made since you last visited, 'tracing' interesting threads so you don't have to look them up again days or months later, exchange ideas and comments privately with other members (well, some consider that a wonderful thing..*wry smile*). Being a member lets you visit a 'live' chat room, if that interests you. (I found it invaluble when planning our Folk Society's Getaway last October, as ideas could be exchanged minute by minute.) Being a member allows you to keep a list of bookmarks to other folk related sites, and to search ones collected by others.
I'm sure I've forgotten something, but that's the story. Being a member does NOT put you in some 'elite', as there are thousands of them. It does not 'identify' you, except by general IP#, and THAT is not available to general membership!

Still, if one wishes to use non-membership as some sort of protest against perceived problems, I can only shrug and repeat...*I* will not fret about it unless you use anonymity to create strife and ill will.

If, for some reason, you are curious about who this nut is who keeps pounding away at this issue, here is the bare beginnings of a website my wife and I are trying to start (HTML doesn't come easy to everyone) and here I/we am, in all my/our glory.... I do all this typing because I TRULY want this amazing site to be the happiest, most interesting place possible, and just 'maybe' I can ease some minds....(yes, and maybe I have bored you to tears *weak grin*...but even after 7+ years, I think it's all worth the effort.


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Subject: RE: BS: On the cowardly nature of GUEST postings
From: GUEST,ella
Date: 07 Jan 04 - 07:09 PM

McGrath, it was actually Bill who referred to "non member", which I just pointed out is not the same as anon guest?

And the majority of argumentative posting at present IS from a named member.

They were my observations.


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Subject: RE: BS: On the cowardly nature of GUEST postings
From: Bill D
Date: 07 Jan 04 - 07:12 PM

boy. a lot can happen when you compose those long posts!! I GOTTA learn to keep 'em shorter or type faster!


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Subject: RE: BS: On the cowardly nature of GUEST postings
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 07 Jan 04 - 07:58 PM

Nothing wrong with being argumentative. Being insulting or getting angry and so forth are one thing, but arguing out a difference with friends is as natural as breathing. Some people seem to assume that arguments have to turn into quarrels, and should therefore be avoided but that's needlessly pessimistic.

True enough, Ellie, Bill did refer, in a non-hostile way, to Martin Gibson as a "non-member" - but then he had specifically said that he was a non-member, rather than a member coming in as a GUEST. Using the term was merely an indication that he accepted that as being the truth, and was therefore a friendly thing to say.

But quite right, it's not about members and non-members - I suspect that a lot of the more troublesome GUESTS are in fact members.


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Subject: RE: BS: On the cowardly nature of GUEST postings
From: GUEST,ella
Date: 07 Jan 04 - 08:22 PM

McGrath,    Thanks, I think!

I agree with your first and third paragraph. The jury is still out on the middle one, but hell, two out of three ain't bad.

Consider yourself kissed.


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Subject: RE: BS: On the cowardly nature of GUEST postings
From: Peace
Date: 07 Jan 04 - 08:29 PM

Wait a minute: I wanna consider myself kissed, too! How come HE gets kissed? I gotta take a pout.


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Subject: RE: BS: On the cowardly nature of GUEST postings
From: akenaton
Date: 07 Jan 04 - 08:32 PM

If she'll kiss McGrath ,she'll kiss anybody Brucie...


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Subject: RE: BS: On the cowardly nature of GUEST postings
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Jan 04 - 08:49 PM

Just checked the Mudcat Rogues Gallery, and no sign of akenaton, or Brucie.

Sulking in hiding, I see!

And that's another of the benefits of Mudcat membership that Bill didn't mention, you are able to put your phizzog in the Mudcat Photo section; though you don't have to be a member to see the photos. (If you do that ella, you might reconsider that kiss...)


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Subject: RE: BS: On the cowardly nature of GUEST postings
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 07 Jan 04 - 08:56 PM

And that last GUEST was me, with a crumbled cookie. I'd logged out to check I was right about being able to visit the photos without being a member, and forgot to log back on before posting. That's how easy it is to step into the shadows...


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Subject: RE: BS: On the cowardly nature of GUEST postings
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Jan 04 - 09:02 PM

ooh, that's how it starts. . . you sure you didn't send just one little spitball into some other thread now?


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Subject: RE: BS: On the cowardly nature of GUEST postings
From: GUEST,ella
Date: 07 Jan 04 - 09:05 PM

See McGrath, I'll make a guest of you yet. ;^)


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Subject: RE: BS: On the cowardly nature of GUEST postings
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Jan 04 - 09:19 PM

" I TRULY want this amazing site to be the happiest, most interesting place possible "

It IS Bill.


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Subject: RE: BS: On the cowardly nature of GUEST postings
From: Peace
Date: 07 Jan 04 - 09:44 PM

akenaton: Then there is yet hope. However, I wait in vain for the slightest glimmer of recognition from yon fair damsel. Forsooth, McG of H will be kiss-ed, and I shall only stand and wait. There is the odd unfairness in life. Ah, me, oh my. Alas. However, I will sulketh not, but rather, in humble, understated bravery simply fade from the screen. (Picture fading here, and when you can't picture it any longer, I am gone.


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Subject: RE: BS: On the cowardly nature of GUEST postings
From: katlaughing
Date: 07 Jan 04 - 10:07 PM

BillDee...Rita's Dragon Rocks!! I've always loved your stuff, too, of course. What a nice Christmas present....I'm anxious to see more of your website!


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Subject: RE: BS: On the cowardly nature of GUEST postings
From: Amos
Date: 07 Jan 04 - 10:15 PM

Bill,

Tell Ferrara she done good. I love that picture of the two of you!


A


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Subject: RE: BS: On the cowardly nature of GUEST postings
From: Bill D
Date: 08 Jan 04 - 12:21 AM

awwww...*big grin*...That picture was shot from the hip by Alaska Mike at a party right after the Getaway, and has become one of our favorites ever... (You threatened to come to the Getaway one year, Amos..Joe Offer can show you how to get there...you just go past this lighthouse and turn right.

(and yeah...that is Rita's own dragon design! She does about one of those a year..) Rita is learning HTML, I am learning how to steal web page designs and substitute MY images. We'll see whose technique works faster!


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Subject: RE: BS: On the cowardly nature of GUEST postings
From: GUEST,satchel
Date: 08 Jan 04 - 09:50 AM

Thanks Bill B, Bill D, and Jerry. I can feel the warm fuzzies coming back already.


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Subject: RE: BS: On the cowardly nature of GUEST postings
From: GUEST,ella
Date: 08 Jan 04 - 01:35 PM

Bruceth, fear not. You too have been smackeroonied of the first order.


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Subject: RE: BS: On the cowardly nature of GUEST postings
From: Peace
Date: 08 Jan 04 - 02:02 PM

THANK you, a million times. My libido has been restored to its normal location in my psyche. You are indeed a fair damsel to be so kind to a frail, elderly, kindly old man--read letch--and once again I can go forth and face the day. (Hey, guys, eat your hearts out!)


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Subject: RE: BS: On the cowardly nature of GUEST postings
From: GUEST,Paranoid Android
Date: 08 Jan 04 - 02:18 PM

So writing these lines unsigned is synonymous
With sending hate mail and remaining anonymous
Our names remain secret and won't be eponymous
Our location unknown so you can't drop a bomb on us


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Subject: RE: BS: On the cowardly nature of GUEST postings
From: Bill D
Date: 08 Jan 04 - 02:42 PM

"bomb on us"?? LOL...that rhythme wins you a spot in 'guest' hall of fame!


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