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GUEST,VietnamVeteran 28 Nov 03 - 11:50 AM
GUEST 28 Nov 03 - 11:52 AM
GUEST,boocat 28 Nov 03 - 12:04 PM
kendall 28 Nov 03 - 12:08 PM
Peace 28 Nov 03 - 12:18 PM
DougR 28 Nov 03 - 12:20 PM
McGrath of Harlow 28 Nov 03 - 12:38 PM
Alaska Mike 28 Nov 03 - 01:40 PM
Richard Bridge 29 Nov 03 - 05:45 AM
kendall 29 Nov 03 - 07:19 AM
Bobert 29 Nov 03 - 09:40 AM
Rapparee 29 Nov 03 - 11:22 AM
Uncle_DaveO 29 Nov 03 - 11:55 AM
Amergin 29 Nov 03 - 12:17 PM
Stilly River Sage 29 Nov 03 - 01:05 PM
Hippie Chick 29 Nov 03 - 01:15 PM
Don Firth 29 Nov 03 - 01:23 PM
Alice 29 Nov 03 - 02:06 PM
SeanM 29 Nov 03 - 03:55 PM
Greg F. 29 Nov 03 - 04:19 PM
Kim C 29 Nov 03 - 10:48 PM
kendall 30 Nov 03 - 07:40 AM
Kim C 30 Nov 03 - 11:38 AM
Peg 30 Nov 03 - 11:44 AM
Don Firth 30 Nov 03 - 02:42 PM
GUEST,Claymore 01 Dec 03 - 01:46 AM
Barry Finn 01 Dec 03 - 02:47 AM
GUEST,Boab 01 Dec 03 - 03:17 AM
GUEST,Clint Keller 01 Dec 03 - 04:52 AM
Metchosin 01 Dec 03 - 05:27 AM
Greg F. 01 Dec 03 - 08:10 AM
Teribus 01 Dec 03 - 08:34 AM
Greg F. 01 Dec 03 - 08:53 AM
Lady Hillary 01 Dec 03 - 10:18 AM
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DougR 01 Dec 03 - 12:36 PM
Greg F. 01 Dec 03 - 12:59 PM
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Donuel 01 Dec 03 - 05:03 PM
GUEST,Claymore 01 Dec 03 - 05:57 PM
Amos 01 Dec 03 - 06:05 PM
Don Firth 01 Dec 03 - 06:18 PM
Amos 01 Dec 03 - 06:50 PM
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GUEST,Claymore 02 Dec 03 - 10:09 AM
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Subject: BS: Should bush be 'Recalled'?
From: GUEST,VietnamVeteran
Date: 28 Nov 03 - 11:50 AM

Should the so-called commander in chief be recalled? The "eye"rack fiasco will go on and on and...and all the while big bush and little bush and their cronies get richer and richer. You comments should be interesting. Should we start a list?


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Subject: RE: BS: Should Bush be 'Recalled'?
From: GUEST
Date: 28 Nov 03 - 11:52 AM

The Papa and Baby Doc of American politics ought to be shot by firing squad.


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Subject: RE: BS: Should Bush be 'Recalled'?
From: GUEST,boocat
Date: 28 Nov 03 - 12:04 PM

much, much too good for them


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Subject: RE: BS: Should Bush be 'Recalled'?
From: kendall
Date: 28 Nov 03 - 12:08 PM

No violence, please. That's how it's done in "Banana Republics".
Cause him to be unemployed like millions of other Americans. (A Korean War vet.)


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Subject: RE: BS: Should Bush be 'Recalled'?
From: Peace
Date: 28 Nov 03 - 12:18 PM

I'm trying to forget him, and you're asking whether I want to recall him. Gawd, I'm so confused.


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Subject: RE: BS: Should Bush be 'Recalled'?
From: DougR
Date: 28 Nov 03 - 12:20 PM

You will have your opportunity (U. S. citizens)at the next election. Certainly, as preachers of non-violence, you would favor that over the suggestions above!

DougR


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Subject: RE: BS: Should Bush be 'Recalled'?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 28 Nov 03 - 12:38 PM

Won't happen, so why waste time talking aboutit? The recall, I mean.

Of course for anyone who aspires to be American Presidents, a fair chance of being assassinated is part of the job. But it's not a good idea, even aside from other considerations - the only time it's ever resulted in any kind of improvement was, possibly, in the case of Mackinley, when it gave you Theodore Roosevelt.


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Subject: RE: BS: Should Bush be 'Recalled'?
From: Alaska Mike
Date: 28 Nov 03 - 01:40 PM

Doug is right, those of us who are sick and tired of Bush & Co. lining their pockets at the expense of the average person in this country have the opportunity next November to throw the greedy, corporate bastards out of Washington and replace them with folks who will actually REPRESENT the majority of Americans.

If we could ever get honesty back in the White House and Congress, maybe we could investigate how much the current administration new about 9/11 prior to it happening. Wouldn't surprise me if they allowed it to happen so they could gain power and wealth in the aftermath. Why else would they stonewall the 9/11 Commission if they had nothing to hide.


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Subject: RE: BS: Should Bush be 'Recalled'?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 29 Nov 03 - 05:45 AM

Actually, another Nuremberg trial for crimes against humanity seems quite appropriate.


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Subject: RE: BS: Should Bush be 'Recalled'?
From: kendall
Date: 29 Nov 03 - 07:19 AM

Is anyone pissed off because our senators stayed away in droves when the vote to spend 87 billion dollars came up? Only 6 senators showed up. Gutless bastards.


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Subject: RE: BS: Should Bush be 'Recalled'?
From: Bobert
Date: 29 Nov 03 - 09:40 AM

Back to the ranch!!!.................



Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: Should Bush be 'Recalled'?
From: Rapparee
Date: 29 Nov 03 - 11:22 AM

Like cars and things, only if he's defective.

Nah, wait 'til next year. Just drive the country into even more debt.

(Served in Korea)


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Subject: RE: BS: Should Bush be 'Recalled'?
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 29 Nov 03 - 11:55 AM

The United States, unlike California and a number of States, does not have any provision in its laws for recall of an elected official. The only things you can do are impeachment and defeat at the next election.

Dave Oesterreich


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Subject: RE: BS: Should Bush be 'Recalled'?
From: Amergin
Date: 29 Nov 03 - 12:17 PM

well impeachment works....


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Subject: RE: BS: Should Bush be 'Recalled'?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 29 Nov 03 - 01:05 PM

How you can "recall" someone who wasn't elected? He was appointed by the Supremes.


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Subject: RE: BS: Should Bush be 'Recalled'?
From: Hippie Chick
Date: 29 Nov 03 - 01:15 PM

He claims the title of President, ergo he is subject to recall. IMHO. The sooner the better.


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Subject: RE: BS: Should Bush be 'Recalled'?
From: Don Firth
Date: 29 Nov 03 - 01:23 PM

Attempts at recall or impeachment are silly and fruitless. Much better to concentrate on the November 2004 elections.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Should Bush be 'Recalled'?
From: Alice
Date: 29 Nov 03 - 02:06 PM

quote Howard Dean, "YOU can send him back to Crawford, Texas."

Alice in Montana


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Subject: RE: BS: Should Bush be 'Recalled'?
From: SeanM
Date: 29 Nov 03 - 03:55 PM

I'll agree - there's no mechanism for a recall While several of his cronies are debatably in breach of a few laws here and there and there's highly debatable evidence that Shrubbo's in over his head in impeachable offenses, there's also no chance that any proceeding could be started in Congress right now - the Repubs are still in control, and they're not going to fry "their boy" until their own sweet snouts are pried from the feeding trough by an impending backlash against them.

Much better to concentrate on '04. Though I don't have any respect for *any* of the major candidates right now - this really is shaping up to be a "best of the worst" election. Shades of Mondale...

M


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Subject: RE: BS: Should Bush be 'Recalled'?
From: Greg F.
Date: 29 Nov 03 - 04:19 PM

He could quite easily be accused of some infraction under Patriot Acts I or II and be spirited away and interned indefinitely at Guantanamo.

That should get the U.S. of A. advanced a few places in the Banana Republic standings.


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Subject: RE: BS: Should Bush be 'Recalled'?
From: Kim C
Date: 29 Nov 03 - 10:48 PM

Do we not have the inherent right to change, alter, or abolish our government by any means necessary?

At this late time, though, I say, just wait. The election is just around the corner.

Now. If people want to elect people who will represent them, then they need to VOTE for the people who they believe will represent them, instead of voting for who they THINK will win. This 2-party shit has Got To Go if anyone wants anything to change.


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Subject: RE: BS: Should Bush be 'Recalled'?
From: kendall
Date: 30 Nov 03 - 07:40 AM

I'm with you Kim. I always cast my vote as a statement of preference, not as a bet.


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Subject: RE: BS: Should Bush be 'Recalled'?
From: Kim C
Date: 30 Nov 03 - 11:38 AM

Well, see, I thought that's how it was SUPPOSED to work anyway!


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Subject: RE: BS: Should Bush be 'Recalled'?
From: Peg
Date: 30 Nov 03 - 11:44 AM

yeah, good point Kim and Kendall. Voting "strategically" to prevent the worst guy from winning, as opposed to voting for the candidate you'd like to see win, seems very wrong to me. I think it is all the polling and predicting that goes on at election time, giving 'results" IN NO WAY based in fact, that has ruined the election process. People just assume their vote will mean nothig because the results are already known. That's crap. Look at what happened with that close vote in Florida. Imagine if every eligible person had voted? Heck, that's crazy; imagine if HALF the eligible people in this country had voted?

What's our national average for voter turnout these days, 25%?
Pathetic.


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Subject: RE: BS: Should Bush be 'Recalled'?
From: Don Firth
Date: 30 Nov 03 - 02:42 PM

I definitely agree with Kim and Kendall in principle. Unfortunately, that's not the way politics works in the United States. Other countries divvy up their governments differently, with proportional representation for as many parties as there are and how many people vote for whom. But not the U. S. In the U. S., it's not proportional representation, it's "winner take all." If you have two parties that share a number of planks in their platforms (say, Dems and Greens) opposing a third party that's diametrically opposed (Reps), the two similar parties split the vote and the one diametrically opposed wins. Sorry, but that's the political reality. Irritating and exasperating, but true.

There is a whole lot I don't like about the Democratic Party. But let's face it, if any party at all has a ghost of a chance of defeating the Republicans this time, it will be the Democrats. It's very unlikely that if a Democratic candidate wins the presidency this time he (or she) will turn this country into a Utopia. But I will be voting for whichever Democrat wins the nomination.

I regard it as damage control.

Don Firth

P.S: Of course there is Thom Hartmann's thesis that says if you want Bush out but you don't like the Democratic Party, join the Democratic Party, find others there who think the way you do (and there are some), form coalitions, and start dragging the party in the direction you think it should go.


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Subject: RE: BS: Should Bush be 'Recalled'?
From: GUEST,Claymore
Date: 01 Dec 03 - 01:46 AM

Actually it's my clear thought and preference that Bush be reelected again, and at this point I see nothing (including Dean and company) that is even going to make it difficult. While the limping liberals have railed and ranted against him, he continues to "make my day".

The Prescription Bill was a masterstroke, the Iraq policy will fundementally change the Middle East in ways the willfully ignorant will never understand, the tax cuts mean less money for the shiftless while putting it back in the pockets of those who earned it in the first place. If the really rich earned it legally, they should get it back too, if only to keep it out of the hands of the greedy needy.

The rest of the entitlement packages remain fundamentally intact, a womans choice is "well settled" in the law despite the hysteria, and the Presidents Cabinet choices are so far above the previous office holder it isn't funny. (Remember Clinton had four of his Cabinet-level officers under indictment by his own Justice Department at this point in his Presidency).

With two Masters degrees I don't feel that my education is suffering. I have spent time in almost all of the Far East, almost all of North and South America, a good portion of the Middle East, and all of Europe. I do not feel the need to have some undereducated, ignorant, provincial, and hysterical twits, whose only contact with the real world is through a keyboard, lecture me on any view I hold. You have not lived long enough. I had these views when some of you were loping through the sixties, though at that time you were in the majority.

Face it, you lost, we won... live with it. And try and do something more with your lives than bitching over a keyboard. Or go out and join the political fray. Remember, my vote only cancels out one of you...


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Subject: RE: BS: Should Bush be 'Recalled'?
From: Barry Finn
Date: 01 Dec 03 - 02:47 AM

2 Masters & so well traveled, wow. I see it was a waste of time. You didn't seem to learn or think for yourself (or maybe only for yourself) out of the box that was prepared for you. Pulling rank here?

You might want to stop looking down on those of us who are just a bunch of "undereducated, ignorant, provincial, hysterical twits & limping liberals". If you try you might learn from even the lowest of us, there is always something that even the least knowledgeable can teach the Master. Please don't belittle those of us that you feel are beneath you, it doesn't help you to get your point across & it certainly puts a damper on having an exchange of ideas with you.

Barry


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Subject: RE: BS: Should Bush be 'Recalled'?
From: GUEST,Boab
Date: 01 Dec 03 - 03:17 AM

I can think of a few names he could be recalled, most of them still starting with "B". "Bullshitter" is the most polite...


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Subject: RE: BS: Should Bush be 'Recalled'?
From: GUEST,Clint Keller
Date: 01 Dec 03 - 04:52 AM

I think I'm old enough to lecture you, Claymore.

I have had some contact with the real world as a deputy sheriff, a bookkeeper. an infantry soldier and a lot of common labor.

I only have one Master's degree, but i spent over twenty-five years working for unversities, and I can assure you that there is no one more provincial and ignorant than a twit with a PhD.

I can remember the depression of the thirties, when there were many needy and poor people, and I can further assure you that the unemployment of the depression was not caused by people suddenly turning shiftless. I have seen more greed among the well-off than among the poor; that, I believe. is how they got to be well-off.

And I had most of my views before you were loping through the sixties.

And my age, experience and education are no guarantee that I possess any wisdom at all. No more than yours are.

Listen to the argument, not the credentials of the person arguing. If you never chanced upon the term "ad hominem" in your academic career, look it up.

clint


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Subject: RE: BS: Should Bush be 'Recalled'?
From: Metchosin
Date: 01 Dec 03 - 05:27 AM

Claymore, I see nothing on this thread that personally lectures you on any views you may hold, other than the responses to your initial post.

However, not to disappoint, I will comment that sadly your double Masters degree wasn't a cure for your arrogance. I've had lost luggage as well traveled as you claim to be, that has probably garnered more insight and real education. Unfortunately too, the manner with which you have presented, what you seem to believe are credentials superior to others of this forum, may not provide you with the homage you appear to believe is owed your supposed superior intellect and opinions. It's not a good way to win friends and influence people.


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Subject: RE: BS: Should Bush be 'Recalled'?
From: Greg F.
Date: 01 Dec 03 - 08:10 AM

Good Ol' Lance Corporal Landmine's been a right shit since his first post way back. Check 'em out. He'll always be a shit, like his bud Snortin' Norton1.

Don't humor him. Save your breath to cool your porridge.


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Subject: RE: BS: Should Bush be 'Recalled'?
From: Teribus
Date: 01 Dec 03 - 08:34 AM

From reading the above, Claymore stated his opinion with regard to the question posed by this thread. In doing so he detailed the various ways in which he believed that the current administration were doing a good job, to such a degree that he felt that they deserved re-election.

I responses, subsequent to his post, not one person actually challenged Claymore on his points of detail, preferring to launch into "ad hominem" attacks of their own. The last by Greg F, refers to Claymore's earlier posting content and history, it is therefore understandable that in his first post to this thread that Claymore felt the need to state what he did in his final two paragraphs.

Personal name calling Greg F, reduces the discussion to the level of five year olds - totally uncalled for.


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Subject: RE: BS: Should Bush be 'Recalled'?
From: Greg F.
Date: 01 Dec 03 - 08:53 AM

"Fair and balanced", as usual Terribus- name-calling by innuendo is exempted from your calalog of permissible behavior?

Just like your hero (Wow! what a man!), I'm stating an opinion, and have concluded that Lance Corporal Landmine, based on the way he presents himself on this forum, is a shit.

"...live with it"


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Subject: RE: BS: Should Bush be 'Recalled'?
From: Lady Hillary
Date: 01 Dec 03 - 10:18 AM

If we impeach Bush, then we have Cheney. Where's the improvement? EBarnacle on Lady Hillary's machine


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Subject: RE: BS: Should Bush be 'Recalled'?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 01 Dec 03 - 12:06 PM

Claymore is trolling, as usual. And those master's degrees can be had from any number of fine Internet establishments for the cost of the parchment and postage. We all get spam from those places.

His facts have been disproved on any number of other threads. But like a typical far-right Republican, he hopes that by couching his opinion in the form of "fact" that no one will question his diddling with the truth and will (perhaps) accept his view as correct and vote accordingly.

Dubya will manage to out-Nixon Nixon with his lying and cheating in office. All of the charges leveled against Clinton that in their convoluted manner tied in with the Whitewater development were all found in court to be BOGUS. The Paula Jones (and subsequent Monika Lewinski) womanizing charges were an offshoot of the same Arkansas investigations, all paid for by Richard Mellon Scaife. Hillary was right. It was a conspiracy.

SRS


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Subject: RE: BS: Should Bush be 'Recalled'?
From: DougR
Date: 01 Dec 03 - 12:36 PM

Were it not "thread creeping" to the nth degree, I would comment on your statement, SRS, about Hillary's statement (which has not proven to be correct.)

Teribus: I've known Greg F. for two or three years now. Attacking the poster he does not agree with is normal for him.

I believe the question posed is beside the point anyway. I don't think a president can be "recalled." He/she could be impeached, but not recalled (I think).

Claymore: I think you made some very good points as to why you are satisfied with the current leadership. I agree with them. I'm not convinced that the race for president will be easy for GWB, but I agree that he will win. If Dean is the Democratic challenger, I believe Bush will win by a larger margin than he would against any of the other challengers (except Sharpton who nobody seems to take very seriously IMO).

DougR


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Subject: RE: BS: Should Bush be 'Recalled'?
From: Greg F.
Date: 01 Dec 03 - 12:59 PM

Sorry, Dougie- but no, you don't "know" me at all.

Of course, you have a right to your (unsubstantiated, as usual)opinion.

I'm sure that Landmine & Terribus are grateful to you for springing loyally to their defence.


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Subject: RE: BS: Should Bush be 'Recalled'?
From: GUEST,Bill Kennedy
Date: 01 Dec 03 - 01:20 PM

Should Bush be 'Recalled'?

that's up to the Supreme Court to decide now, isn't it?


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Subject: RE: BS: Should Bush be 'Recalled'?
From: Don Firth
Date: 01 Dec 03 - 04:29 PM

BS — We all know what that is.
MS — More of the Same.
PhD — Piled higher and Deeper.

Some people gain a great deal through education. Some gain nothing but an excuse to be pompous. From my observations, there is not all that much correlation between one's having a degree and one's mental acuity. For some (within recent years, the majority), a degree means little more than a certificate from a trade school—primarily for getting a higher paid entry-level job. Degrees per se don't mean one is educated. Or even intelligent, for that matter.

Eric Hoffer never went to school. He worked as a longshoreman, read widely and avidly, and wrote down his thoughts and observations. He was one of the most thoughtful and insightful men in the twentieth century.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Should Bush be 'Recalled'?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 01 Dec 03 - 04:57 PM

DougR, what's a little thread creep in the political agenda? You say it was never proved, offer no evidence, but expect us to accept your word for it? I offered a couple of solid links to the chronology of dirty tricks and sly innuendo billionaire Scaife and his ultra-conservative Bible-thumping republican friends pulled, but we should take your word instead? Come to think of it, that's pretty much how the Bush administration operates also. Trust me. . . NOT!


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Subject: RE: BS: Should Bush be 'Recalled'?
From: Donuel
Date: 01 Dec 03 - 05:03 PM

"eye" rack ??? thats silly

Everyone knows its Ouraq


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Subject: RE: BS: Should Bush be 'Recalled'?
From: GUEST,Claymore
Date: 01 Dec 03 - 05:57 PM

A little housekeeping:

(1.)BS Law Enforcement - U VA '72
    MS Judicial Administration - U VA '79
    MS Safety and Environmental Management - West VA U '99,
(Not exactly "Computer U." schools, but what would the ignorant know about good schools anyway).

(2.) None of the charges leveled against Clinton cabinet level officers had to do with Whitewater, except Hubble (who was found guilty). Brown died before the trial (bribery - son was convicted), Estes (sp?) was found not guilty (bribery), Ciesneros (sp?) was found guilty (bribery, false reporting). Talk about bogus....

(3.) Arrogance... have any of you folks read your previous and continuing posts..? I wonder if you are using words you don't understand... For Gods sakes don't keep throwing stones on my porch, and when I come off the steps, you run down the street with your skirts over your head, screaming "Bad Dog"!

(4.) Finally, I do more in a day as the Vocational Manager for a Federal Job Corps Center, to reduce poverty by educating, training, and obtaining jobs for the disadvantaged, than most of you hampsters have done in your whole lives. 80% of my kids come from the inner cities of Philly, B-more and DC, the rest come from the "hollars" of Appalachia. Half of my kids are under court orders, the other half thrown out of their homes or simply abandoned. When I took over about two years ago, my program was dead last in the Nation (118th)... it is now 3rd... Currently some 84% of my kids are graduating with a Trade education and 43 % with a GED or a diploma. The rest I'm sending back to hell with the wheels on...

But I'm doing the work, and not just yapping to the rest of the pups in the Chihuahua herd.

Thanks Doug and Teribus, I'll smack 'em off the meat, you take 'em in the air.


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Subject: RE: BS: Should Bush be 'Recalled'?
From: Amos
Date: 01 Dec 03 - 06:05 PM

Claymore,

Your accomplishments are admirable, truly, especially what you are doing for kids.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: Should Bush be 'Recalled'?
From: Don Firth
Date: 01 Dec 03 - 06:18 PM

". . . than most of you hampsters have done in your whole lives."

Knowing us all so intimately the way you do and knowing in such detail what each of us does to reduce poverty, please—tell us once again about arrogance. . . ?

(by the way, you misspelled "hamster.")

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Should Bush be 'Recalled'?
From: Amos
Date: 01 Dec 03 - 06:50 PM

I think he was calling us laundry-containers. Oh, no -- those are hampers-- what could he mean?

A


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Subject: RE: BS: Should Bush be 'Recalled'?
From: GUEST,'pres putin'
Date: 01 Dec 03 - 07:26 PM

Yes, I do deblieve that senor bush should be recalled.

Pres Chirac


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Subject: RE: BS: Should Bush be 'Recalled'?
From: Don Firth
Date: 01 Dec 03 - 07:29 PM

Well, we do know where the dirty linen is, which is something a lot of people don't seem to want to know. . . .

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Should Bush be 'Recalled'?
From: Metchosin
Date: 01 Dec 03 - 08:22 PM

Ping pong! or is it just pong as we are using computers?


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Subject: RE: BS: Should Bush be 'Recalled'?
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Dec 03 - 09:01 PM

Claymore is very important. Our job is to lie down and die and let him take over. He knows it all and we're just shit in the tread of his jack boots.

Not


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Subject: RE: BS: Should Bush be 'Recalled'?
From: Greg F.
Date: 01 Dec 03 - 10:40 PM

Yessir, ol'Lance Corporal Babbling Blivit Landmine. My Hero! The Man Too Good To Be True. Why? 'Cause he says so.

Right.

Please.


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Subject: RE: BS: Should Bush be 'Recalled'?
From: Ebbie
Date: 01 Dec 03 - 11:49 PM

If - and that's a big if in my mind- you are doing all those things for "your" kids, Claymore, you might want to look down the line and see where they are ending. I would not want to be in your class- and the pun is intended. (Incidentally, the "statistics" you give us of your achievements for some strange reason remind me of what the bushie has said -statements that are quite misleading and false- about his earlier achievements as governor. You sure you aren't from Texas?)

And it isn't "hollar"- it's 'holler'.


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Subject: RE: BS: Should Bush be 'Recalled'?
From: LadyJean
Date: 02 Dec 03 - 12:19 AM

MY FELLOW CATTERS! I HAVE JUST BEEN INFORMED THAT THAT SON OF A BUSH PLANS TO REGISTER THREE MILLION NEW REPUBLICAN VOTERS!

JUST IN CASE HE ACTUALLY FINDS THREE MILLION PEOPLE THAT STUPID, WE THE GOOD GUYS NEED TO SIGN UP SEVEN MILLION NEW VOTERS WHO WILL SUPPORT THAT CANDIDATE DEAREST TO MY HEART, ANYBODY BUT THE SHRUB!

Bush has taken soldiers out of Afghanistan, where they were hunting Bin Laden, and sent them to Iraq! This shows a want of common sense!


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Subject: RE: BS: Should Bush be 'Recalled'?
From: GUEST,Clint Keller
Date: 02 Dec 03 - 12:39 AM

Claymore, you miss my point. As Amos said, "Your accomplishments are admirable, truly, especially what you are doing for kids." I certainly could not do your work as Vocational Manager.

My point is this: when you make vague statements like "The Prescription Bill was a masterstroke, the Iraq policy will fundementally (sic) change the Middle East in ways the willfully ignorant will never understand..." and then support those statements by citing your degrees and saying "Face it, you lost, we won," your ass is suckin' wind, as they say in these parts.

You have only asserted your opinions; and your authority; you have given no proof, no reasoning. You have only said that no one on this thread is entitled to disagree with you.

Now, I do believe that you're right, that the Prescription Bill was a masterstroke for the drug corporations, and the Iraq policy will fundamentally change the Middle East in ways the willfully ignorant Bush administration will never understand. But I bet you don't like that, either.

clint

& I assume "recalling Bush" is a figure of speech, no?


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Subject: RE: BS: Should Bush be 'Recalled'?
From: GUEST,Boab
Date: 02 Dec 03 - 01:51 AM

I find it amazing that some of the guys here seem to believe that Bush is not a liar surrounded by liars. Or is it that they do have an unskewed perspective, and are so much more forgiving than most?


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Subject: RE: BS: Should Bush be 'Recalled'?
From: GUEST,Claymore
Date: 02 Dec 03 - 10:09 AM

Sorry for the mispellings, though one input was done at 2 in the morning and the other at the end of the next day. However I think if that is the best you can do, you're hurting.

Of the rest to the comments, they are too "Stilly" to comment on, with the exception of Ebbies (who should look up the accepted use of ""). Congress mandates that part of my statistics contain what is known as the six and twelve month survey. An independant agency of the Dept of Labor conducts a survey of my graduates to determine:
1. Are the kids working,
2. What is their wage
3. Is it a Job Training Match (JTM) IE. Does the job they hold match the training they received?

Although the numbers vary (my 12 month wage is highest in the Nation, JTMs 7th, etc) my overall is third. Two Job Corps Centers in Puerto Rico always beat me out. But it was a good question...

As for the validation of the Iraq "strategery", you will note that the country sits square in the middle of the Iran, Syria, Saudi triangle. Should that country come under some form of democratic rule, it will disengage and isolate what up to now has been a relatively united front against Israel. Yes, each has had quarrels and, in some cases, wars against each other. But if we are to have any success in breaking the Jewish-Arab stalemate, we must break up the coalition of hatred in the area, and give each country in the region the economic freedom to focus more on its internal population's needs, and reduce the demogogary that the other states in the region use to keep their populations focused on Israel, and off their leaders failures. I believe that any form of success in Iraq, will fundamentally change the Middle East situation, and we don't need one drop of oil from Iraq to make it happen.

As for Bushes comments about terrorism; the Italians, the Spanish, the Turks, and the Japanese know he is bulletproof right. And even Kofi Anon (sp?) has admitted, that after the UNs failure to act in the Balkans, America had no reason to suspect they would do any better in the Middle East. And of course, no-one has ever provided me with the name of ANYONE who stated the Iraqis DID NOT have WMD prior to the war (Weapons Inspectors, UN Observers, Diplomats, Congressmen, Senators, ad nausem).

But like almost everyone on this thread, I can't wait until Dean is the Democratic nominee...


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Subject: RE: BS: Should Bush be 'Recalled'?
From: Greg F.
Date: 02 Dec 03 - 10:25 AM

Wow! The Labor Department surveys HIS KIDS!!To see how much money they make! My Hero.

I wonder if anyone surveys them to see if they turn out to manifest the paranoia, low self-esteem issues, inflexibility, arrogance & other sociopathologic indicators of their 'mentor'?


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Subject: RE: BS: Should Bush be 'Recalled'?
From: Amos
Date: 02 Dec 03 - 10:40 AM

"...democratic rule, it will disengage and isolate what up to now has been a relatively united front against Israel."

Umm....I don't see your reasoning, Claymore -- why would democratic rule in Iraq, where the vast majority are Muslims sympathetic to the Palestinian cause, provide any less of a united front against Israel? Or does "democratic" mean "USA-led" in your vocabulary?

One of the problems with your leader's plan is that neither he nor the Muslims he is hoping to organize are willing to separate religous conviction from governmental concerns. This will prove to be the core issue of the effort to establish self-rule in Iraq.

I imagine if a perfect democratic system were put in place in Iraq, there would still be a lot of support there for the Palestinians.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: Should Bush be 'Recalled'?
From: GUEST,little shaver
Date: 02 Dec 03 - 01:02 PM

To show her intense dislike for DA PREZ my secretary shaved her pubic hair. When I walked in she raised her skirt and said, "Read my lips, no more bush!".

Gillette Foamy


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Subject: RE: BS: Should Bush be 'Recalled'?
From: kendall
Date: 02 Dec 03 - 02:08 PM

Claymore, that's quite a list of degrees. Too bad none of them is for history.
You mention some of Clinton's people who were unsavory; how about the Actor? How many were uncovered in the Reagan administration? was it 150?


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Subject: RE: BS: Should Bush be 'Recalled'?
From: GUEST,Claymore
Date: 02 Dec 03 - 05:02 PM

Greg, it is obvious that you don't have a clue what those words mean. For example:

Paranoia: I'm not afraid of anything that breathes, though I might give some things a bit more personal space. And I'm unaware f anything I have written in any thread that would indicate that condition.

Low-self esteem: Me??? I think you've smoked too many joints without a helmet.

Inflexibility: Though I have written many things on many subjects, I think that when you find a conservative who advocates for women's choice (the only person I know who has sticked a Catholic priest to the pavement for pouring blood on a young girl arriving at an abortion clinic) and for reasonable gun controls (ie assualt weapons ban), that is pretty flexible, and certainally more so than any of your bretheren.

Arrogance: Again, have you noted the mite in your eye for even asking the question?

Other sociopathologic indicators: As Marine Corps Officer with a Top Secret clearance, a police officer with 18 years experience (10 as a hostage negotiator), and as an Emergency Manager with EMSHG (no you don't get to find out) I have been evaluated many times prior to taking those positions. I am very secure in my skin. It is patently obvious you can make no such claim...


As for my kids, many of them do write or call during some time after they leave... even the ones who end up in jail...


And Gillette, I seem to recall that our last President regarded that area as a humidor...

Now Amos (unlike the others) you do raise an interesting thought, but it is my feeling after spending some time with the Jordanians, for example, (who hate the Palestinians after Black Seprtember) that once the economic and political situations are focused on the indiviual countries, the Palestinians will actually lose support for their cause. And that may not be such a bad thing, as it may force them to become a bit more flexibile than Arafat exhibited during the final days of the Clinton presidency. And while some of the Iraqis have had demonstrations for a given religious leader to invoke the shia or religious law, the vast number who have spoken in public, or been surveyed in polls, do not indicate a desire to become another Iran. (Which appears to be headed out of that form of government, on it's own.) All in all, the fact that Bush was able to percieve the Gordonian knot that is the Middle East, and take action to cut it, was a masterstroke.


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Subject: RE: BS: Should Bush be 'Recalled'?
From: GUEST,Claymore
Date: 02 Dec 03 - 05:59 PM

kendal, sorry to have missed you. You speak of history and then claim 150 members of the Reagan administration were indicted, huh?

North and Poindexter were indicted and convicted, and then absolved by the Supremes in one of the most scathing rebukes to the Democrat Party ever published in an opiniion. Remember that the Democrat Congress supoena'd North and Poindexter to testify in front of Congress, refused to give them immunity, required that they tell all to the American public, then tried them using that very testimony. The Supremes told the Dems you get one or the other but not both.

There were several others (NONE of Cabinet rank) who plead guilty.

You might be thinking of Nixon, but then again that would be called HISTORY (remember?). Yeah, I had some of that...


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From: Amos
Date: 02 Dec 03 - 06:26 PM

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Subject: RE: BS: Should Bush be 'Recalled'?
From: Greg F.
Date: 02 Dec 03 - 07:13 PM

Best re-enroll in some real psych courses, Landmine.

The way you express yourself about those whose opinions differ from your own positively REEKS of paranoia. No one with an ounce of real self-esteem would feel it necessary to post and re-post his putative education, qualifications, training, etc. ad nauseum. Over-compensating a bit, are we?

By the way, I think you have the Supreme Court confused with the Pope. The former is not in the business of granting absolution. Both Poindexter and North were convicted of felonies. Their convictions were overturned on a procedural basis. That don't "absolve" 'em, or make em innocent, Bud. Best revisit that criminology- or is it criminality?- degree, as well.


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Subject: RE: BS: Should Bush be 'Recalled'?
From: Amos
Date: 02 Dec 03 - 07:24 PM

the only person I know who has sticked a Catholic priest to the pavement for pouring blood on a young girl arriving at an abortion clinic

Claymore:

This sounds like a rare good tale. What happened exactly?

A


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Subject: RE: BS: Should Bush be 'Recalled'?
From: Metchosin
Date: 02 Dec 03 - 08:09 PM

I wonder if he used scotch tape like my wee nephew did with the ants that invaded his bedroom.....

For those who care to further consider the comparison of Bush to Alexander the Great, you might get farther using the term Gordion Knot.


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Subject: RE: BS: Should Bush be 'Recalled'?
From: Amos
Date: 02 Dec 03 - 08:26 PM

The Gordion Knot did not blow up in Alexander's face. After this recent slaughter of civilians, the Army will have to get out of town and give patrol duties over to the 1st Marine Expeditionary Force. But the degree of anti-US sentiment is likely to (a) increase and (b) get organized, which will make the hwole job over there a lot harder, IMHO.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: Should Bush be 'Recalled'?
From: Metchosin
Date: 02 Dec 03 - 09:53 PM

.......or Gordian......I know there is at least one Latin scholar at Mudcat....


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Subject: RE: BS: Should Bush be 'Recalled'?
From: Amos
Date: 02 Dec 03 - 10:04 PM

Greek, Mets. Gordius was a peasant of Greece who was chosen to be King (of the Phrygians, I think) and offered the amazing andf intricate Gordian knot to Zeus in thanks. It (the knot) was unsolveable until a Persian, Alexander, stepped up and clove it through with his trusty blade.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: Should Bush be 'Recalled'?
From: Peace
Date: 02 Dec 03 - 10:04 PM

Should the title of this post have read "reculled?"


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Subject: RE: BS: Should Bush be 'Recalled'?
From: Metchosin
Date: 02 Dec 03 - 11:01 PM

I know Amos, but the name of the knot used in the English language, may be based on the possesssive of Gordius in Latin, hence the spelling Gordian, rather than Gordion, who knows? I just remember that I learned it as Gordion. Ping!


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Subject: RE: BS: Should Bush be 'Recalled'?
From: Amos
Date: 03 Dec 03 - 01:56 PM

Gordionuff!! :>)

A


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Subject: RE: BS: Should Bush be 'Recalled'?
From: GUEST,Claymore
Date: 03 Dec 03 - 07:00 PM

Amos, Ref: the stick job. It was right after Roe V Wade, and I was a Sgt in the Fairfax VA PD. One of the first abortion clinics opened in a place called Annandale, VA. My squad was assigned to keep the peace, which basically meant keeping the anti abortion protesters from the young ladies, who would arrive in cars and go into the clinic, usually with a coat over their heads. The protesters kept rushing the cars and hitting the arrivals with their signs, sometimes to "get their attention" as the priest later said, and sometimes to pull the coats off, to expose the young ladies to the TV cameras.

Finally, I had demarked a line separate from the arriving traffic, and told the protesters, I would consider it an assualt if they rushed another car. The very next car that came in, the good Father rushed the car, pulled the girls coat off and poured a cup of chicken livers all over her, as my night stick broke his collar bone. We cuffed him and stuffed him, and I charged him with assualt.

The Archdiocese made some anxious sounds about suing the Department, until the papers hit the street. Then the bad publicity made them back off, and the priest got a suspended sentence (and a cast). Since this was before VCRs, all I had was some film outtakes of the moment, but everybody said that for a short shit, I was high in the air and coming down, when I hit him.

The funny part was that at the time, I was leaning against abortions, since it had been against VA state law for years, and all officers had received classes in the Police Academy about detecting and charging abortion as a crime. But as I said later, when I saw who was against it, my personal feelings changed, though I was careful not to let my feelings get in the way of arresting or protecting either side.

And make no mistake, I have known some exemplary Catholic priests, including several in the 'Nam. As a former "high church" Espiscopalian I had much in common with them, and would have the done the same to any man pulling the same stunt.

As for Greg, please note : "Absolve" Webster II, Riverside Publishing, 1. To clear of blame or guilt 2. to relieve a requirement or obligation 3. to grant a remission of sin (One of the things I learned in my many college courses was that the first definition was the most common usage, but that ANY of them would serve). Judging from your use of the words "paranoia" and "absolve", I have to wonder does your degree have a UPC bar code for a seal?


And yes, Greg, I do get tired of restating the background info, but sometimes its necessary to expose a fraud. It must really gall you to know there is someone out there who has been there, done it (though not always perfectly) and who can then look you in the eye and say you're wrong. But I am sorry that I took your words to task, if only because, for a brief moment, I cared what you stated. Let me now advise you, this is no longer the case...


But now I must work on my spelling, since my vocabulary seems in fine shape...


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Subject: RE: BS: Should Bush be 'Recalled'?
From: Bobert
Date: 03 Dec 03 - 08:50 PM

Well, Claymore, my friend.... I'm real glad that you've been so successfull with yer kids... I don't have no problem with you callin' 'em yer kids 'cause I'm a former JACS voluenteer and I thought of the Job Corps folks that I worked with as my kid's...

And I'm also glad that yolu got all that edgy-cation 'cause in these parts if you ai9n't got it at our age, yer butt gonna be in some ditch wid a shovel... Hey, neither of us need that...

But, my friend, and I say that in all sincerity, the self testimonials don't help yer arguments. Hey, we all can go thru our list of degrees and accomplishments but they do not make our positions correct. It only means that, like so many folks here, we've been dancin' on this rock fir awhile...

Peace,

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: Should Bush be 'Recalled'?
From: Greg F.
Date: 04 Dec 03 - 12:01 AM

Webster or no Webster, Landmine, North & Poindexter were not "cleared of blame or guilt". They got off on a technicality.

Now for Webster's under "P":

PARANOIA: n. 1. a psychosis characterized by systematized delusions of persecution or grandeur [emphasis mine] usually without hallucinations. 2. a tendency on the part of an individual or group towards excessive or irrational suspiciousness and distrustfulness of others.

PARANOID: adj. 1. characterized by or resembling paranoia.
2. characterized by suspiciousness, persecutory trends or megalomania [emphasis mine].

It must really gall you...
Not in the least. You give yourself WAY too much credit.

... I cared what you stated. Let me now advise you, this is no longer the case...

I'm fuckin' crushed. Truly.


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Subject: RE: BS: Should Bush be 'Recalled'?
From: GUEST,Claymore
Date: 05 Dec 03 - 04:36 PM

Hey, it ain't bragging if you've done it...


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Subject: RE: BS: Should Bush be 'Recalled'?
From: Metchosin
Date: 06 Dec 03 - 04:20 PM

Heard a wonderful quote today that seems appropriate to this thread.

"Education is the journey between ignorant confidence and thoughtful doubt"


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Subject: Should Bush be 'Recalled'?
From: GUEST,bigal
Date: 06 Dec 03 - 04:22 PM


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Subject: RE: BS: Should Bush be 'Recalled'?
From: GUEST,bigal
Date: 06 Dec 03 - 04:25 PM

The voters will "recall" dubya next November. we may have to keep an eye out for bro jeb in florida just to keep it right.

the rev


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Subject: RE: BS: Should Bush be 'Recalled'?
From: Don Firth
Date: 06 Dec 03 - 04:35 PM

And watch your local area. If they want to put in Diebold touch-screen voting machines that leave no paper trail, raise Holy Hell! These things are very easy to diddle, the head of Diebold is on record as saying that he considers it his God-given duty to see to it that Bush is "re-elected," and without a print-out or other form of verification, a recount is impossible. In the wake of the 2000 Florida debacle, this push for Diebold voting machines smells a whole lot like sushi to me. . . .

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Should Bush be 'Recalled'?
From: Bobert
Date: 06 Dec 03 - 05:46 PM

Well, Greenie me is amking a personal appeal to all of you who feel so strongly that Bush needs to go to be prepared to knock on doors, stuff envelopes or whatever is needed that you are capable of doing to make it happen. Imean, my least favorite possible nominee is Joe Leiberman but should he be nominated, I work in his campaine. Yep, I'll knock on doors for Joe just to get him elected... The afterwards, crawl back to my Green Party folks and start pokin' at poor ol' Joe to stand up and be a danged people's president, rather than a corporation man....

Hey, we gotta start somewhere...

And, Claymore, sorry you missed my point...

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: Should Bush be 'Recalled'?
From: Teribus
Date: 07 Dec 03 - 10:57 AM

Amos - 02 Dec 03 - 10:04 PM

"Greek, Mets. Gordius was a peasant of Greece who was chosen to be King (of the Phrygians, I think) and offered the amazing andf intricate Gordian knot to Zeus in thanks. It (the knot) was unsolveable until a Persian, Alexander, stepped up and clove it through with his trusty blade."

Amos I think that you will find that Alexander was Macedonian - not Persian. The knot was presented to him when he was on his way to conquer Persia, whose ruler at the time was King Darius.


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