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OVER THERE
THE FAMINE SONG (Praties They Grow Small)
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Subject: In Mobile
From: greg stephens
Date: 24 Oct 03 - 04:25 AM

Do they sing "In Mobile" in Mobile?


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Subject: RE: In Mobile
From: Geoff the Duck
Date: 24 Oct 03 - 04:28 AM

Do they sing On Ilkley Moor - hatless...?


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Subject: RE: In Mobile
From: Leadfingers
Date: 24 Oct 03 - 06:24 AM

And who put the Thorpe in Scunthorpe ???


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Subject: RE: In Mobile
From: greg stephens
Date: 24 Oct 03 - 06:27 AM

Actualluy, I do want to know if they sing "In Mobile" in Mobile.Not that I have any objections to jokes about Scunthorpe, or indeed Arsenal, which reminds me of a joke about Manchester United, but that's another story.


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Subject: RE: In Mobile
From: GUEST,Martin Ryan
Date: 24 Oct 03 - 06:44 AM

In Ireland, of course, we sing "In Moville"...

Regards


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Subject: RE: In Mobile
From: Steve Parkes
Date: 24 Oct 03 - 06:59 AM

I only know the rude words. Is there a "proper" version?


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Subject: RE: In Mobile
From: greg stephens
Date: 24 Oct 03 - 07:14 AM

I would think the rude words are the proper version. Any proper words version would be quite improper. I ate a dozen oysters in Moville once, only nine of them worked.But that is another story.


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Subject: RE: In Mobile
From: Burke
Date: 24 Oct 03 - 05:03 PM

I was going to offer to send a e-mail to a friend in Mobile. After looking at the words, I think I'll pass. If there are groups that get together to sing rude songs in Mobile, I'd guess they sing it as well. I doubt your average person on the street would.

Another question might be how many people in Mobile are aware of the song?

When I visted my Grandmother in a nursing home on the eastern shore of Mobile Bay, I heard "We were sailing along on Mobile Bay."


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Subject: Lyr Add: IN KANSAS
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 24 Oct 03 - 06:34 PM

Couldn't find "In Mobile" in Mudcat, only the old cotton-loading song, "Mobile Bay," about a different kind of screwing. In Mobile, "In Mobile," is known usually as "In Kansas," but sometimes "In London" (or wherever).
Verses come from all over. The verse "There's no paper in the bogs in Kansas" seems to be sung in England.
Just to be perverse, I will post "In Kansas."

IN KANSAS

Oh, the eagles, they fly high in Kansas,
Oh, the eagles, they fly high in Kansas.
Oh, the eagles, they fly high,
And they shit right in your eye.
Thank the Lord the cows don't fly in Kansas.

There's a shortage of good whores in Texas,
There's a shortage of good whores in Texas.
There's a shortage of good whores,
But there's keyholes in the doors,
And there's knotholes in the floors in Texas.

Oh, they say to drink's a sin in Georgia.
Oh, they say to drink's a sin in Georgia,
But they guzzle all they kin,
And the drys are voted in in Georgia.

Oh, I chased a parson's daughter in Kansas
Oh, I chased a parson's daughter in Kansas
And I banged her when I caught her,
Now I cannot pass my water in Kansas.

If you ever go to jail in Memphis
If you ever go to jail in Memphis
And you need a piece of tail,
The sheriff's wife is for sale in Memphis.

In Mobile! In Mobile!
In Mo, in Mo, in Mo, in Mobile.
Oh, they drink their whiskey neat in Mobile.
Oh, they drink their whiskey neat in Mobile.
Till it knocks them off their feet
And it petrifies their meat in Mobile.

Apologies to Ed Cray and Randolph and Legman.


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Subject: RE: In Mobile
From: Burke
Date: 24 Oct 03 - 06:57 PM

Gargoyle posted one version, but Q's got different words. Q's version also spreads the insults around well.

Here's another version


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Subject: RE: In Mobile
From: Gareth
Date: 24 Oct 03 - 07:00 PM

Ahhh ! That old Rugby Club Favorite.

And just to showw ther's no regrets I post the full version of the "Bog Paper" verse, sung in Wales and that 'country' to the East.

BTW (Trs bog paper = toilet tissue)

"Ther's a shortage of bog paper in Kansas X 2
Ther's a shortage of bog paper,
so they use an arsehole scraper,
Ther's a shortage of bog paper in Kansas."


And as a bonus - BTW (Trs clogged= jammed, full to bursting"

Oh!, their arsehole's are all clogged in Kansas X 2
Oh !, thier arse holes are all clogged, and it comes out in logs,
Oh!, their arsehole's are all clogged in Kansas"


Now I can not explain this fixation with arse holes this side of the pond, (Mmmm ! perhaps I should have attributed to the English 'Rugger Buggers'), perhaps some learned 'Catter can explain.

Gareth


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Subject: RE: In Mobile
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 24 Oct 03 - 07:52 PM

What ever happened to the song about the Irish famine? Oh, the taters---.

From Philippine soldiering days (Ed Cray, The Erotic Muse).

Oh, the women get no tail in Zamboanga (2x)
Oh, the women get no tail,
For their husbands are in jail.
Oh, the women get no tail in Zamboanga.

There's a virgin in Cebu, so they say (2x)
There's a virgin in Cebu
And today she is just two.
There's a virgin in Cebu, so they say.
(maybe related to-
There are virgins in Marseilles, so they say,--- but when Yankee sailors got their pay, there were no virgins anymore, in Marseilles).

Could someone give all the words of the Irish song mentioned in Ed Cray-

How I wish that we were geese, night and morn, night and morn.
How I wish that we were geese, night and morn.
How i wish that we were geese,
And could live and die in peace
'Til the hour of our release, eating corn, eating corn.


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Subject: RE: In Mobile
From: Lanfranc
Date: 25 Oct 03 - 08:59 AM

Clacton RFC Version:

//:There's a shortage of bog paper in Mobile://
There's a shortage of bog paper
So they wait until it's vapour
Then they light it with a taper
In Mobile

//:There are seagulls round the lighthouse in Mobile://
There are seagulls round the lighthouse
And they use it for a shitehouse
That's why the lighthouse is a white house
In Mobile

//:There's the usual dearth of virgins in Mobile://
There's the usual dearth of virgins
But there's several female sturgeons
And some gay young barber-surgeons
In Mobile

Alan


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Subject: RE: In Mobile
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 25 Oct 03 - 01:08 PM

Now we need: Sperm isn't mobile in Mobile.


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Subject: RE: In Mobile/In Kansas/In & Around Nashville
From: Joe Offer
Date: 25 Oct 03 - 01:38 PM

I guess the best-known version of the song is "In Kansas," although I'm partial to Art Thieme's "In and Around Nashville." Here's what the Traditional Ballad Index says about it.
-Joe Offer-

In Kansas

DESCRIPTION: A quatrain ballad, this describes the unseemly, unsanitary, unhealthy conditions and people in that state, at Yale, in Mobile, in Zamboanga or any other place disliked by the singer.
AUTHOR: unknown
EARLIEST DATE: 1844, when a version of the song was published in New York City by Atwill. Said to date from a song about the Irish famines, "Over Here."
KEYWORDS: bawdy scatological humorous
FOUND IN: Australia Canada Britain(England) US(MA,MW,NE,So,SW) New Zealand
REFERENCES (9 citations):
Cray, pp. 49-53, "In Kansas" (4 texts, 1 tune)
Belden, pp. 428-429, "Kansas" (2 texts, 1 tune)
Randolph 344, "In Arkansas" (3 texts, 1 tune)
Randolph/Cohen, pp. 280-282, "In Arkansas" (1 text, 1 tune -- Randolph's 344A)
Randolph-Legman I, pp. 265-267, "In Kansas" (4 texts, 1 tune)
Fife-Cowboy/West 32, "In Kansas" (2 texts, 1 tune; the first belongs here, while the second is "Way Out West in Kansas")
Lomax-FSNA 204, "In Kansas" (2 texts, 1 tune)
Greenway-AFP, pp. 212-213, "In Kansas" (1 text)
Silber-FSWB, p. 43, "In Kansas" (1 text)

ST EM049 (Partial)
Roud #4455
RECORDINGS:
Chubby Parker, "In Kansas" (Conqueror 7894, 1931)
Art Thieme, "In and Around Nashville" (on Thieme06)

CROSS-REFERENCES:
cf. "Over There (I - The Praties They Grow Small)" (tune & meter, floating lyrics)
cf. "Way Out West in Kansas" (theme)
ALTERNATE TITLES:
The 'Taters They Grow Small
Notes: Cray and Legman have historical notes, disagreeing on the origin of the American bawdy song. - EC
Given that this appears to be a clear parody of "The Praties They Grow Small," but that the 1844 version precedes the worst of the potato blights, the song origins are indeed mysterious. One suspects that the 1844 text is not the "full version," but a predecessor (the more so as Kansas was beyond the usual settlement line in 1844).
Randolph reports that "several old-timers have told me that this piece was written by an Missourian named Beecham or Beecher, shortly after the Civil War." He does not believe the story, however, and certainly this can only refer to the local adaptation.
There is no clear dividing line between this and "The Praties They Grow Small"; there are versions of this piece that are short enough and clean enough to belong with either. But, as often happens, we must classify them separately because the extremes are so distinct. - RBW
File: EM049

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Here are the lyrics Gargoyle posted. Can anybody fill in the "illegable" words?

Thread #4377   Message #614605
Posted By: GUEST,.gargoyle
22-Dec-01 - 12:48 AM
Thread Name: Rugby Football Songs
Subject: ADD: In Mobile

MOBILE

CHORUS:
In Mobile, in Mobile, in-so, in-mo, in Mibile,
Arse holes, arse holes, arse holes, in Mobile.

Oh the seagulls they fly high in Mobile,
Oh the seagulls they fly high in Mobile,
Oh the seagulls they fly high and they shit right in your eye,
Thank the Lord that cows don't fly in Mobile.

There's a man by the name of Hunt in Mobile,
There's a man by the name of Hunt in Mobile,
There's a man by the name of Hunt and he thought he had a cunt,
But his arse was back to front in Mobile.

There's a shortage of good bogs in Mobile,
There's a shortage of good bogs in Mobile,
There's a shortage of good bogs, so they wait until it clogs,
Then they saw it off in logs in Mobile.

There's a shortage of bagpaper in Mobile,
There's a shortage of bagpaper in Mobile,
There's a shortage of bagpaper so they wait until it's vapor,
Then they light it with a taper in Mobile.

There's a man by the name of Smith in Mobile,
There's a man by the name of Smith in Mobile,
There's a man by the name of Smith and he thinks the he can't sniff,
Foul odor from the syph in Mobile.

Oh they teach the babies tricks in Mobile,
Oh they teach the babies tricks in Mobile,
Oh they teach the babies tricks and by the time that they are six,
The suck their father's pricks in Mobile.

It's a fuck of a (illegable)….. in Mobile,
It's a fuck of a (illegable)….. in Mobile,
It's a fuck of a (illegable)….. and they're sunk in masterbation,
For their (illegable)………… in Mobile.


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Subject: RE: In Mobile
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 25 Oct 03 - 02:43 PM

Joe, that doesn't explain the relationship to the song "How I wish that we were geese." I can't find any real information on this song except the fragment in Randolph-Legman.

The praties they were small- the blight is not mentioned, just that the taters were small. This complaint could be pre-famine- and post-famine as well.


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Subject: RE: In Mobile
From: Alex.S
Date: 25 Oct 03 - 02:51 PM

Don't know what they sing, but it sure is a pretty city. Great seafood, too.


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Subject: RE: In Mobile
From: Joe Offer
Date: 26 Oct 03 - 02:13 AM

Hi, Q - I'll have to get to work posting versions. Some of the versions of "In Kansas" are very close to "Praties," and some seem closer to "In Mobile." "Praties" and the American songs are certainly different - but they work together pretty well for grouping purposes.
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: In Mobile
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 26 Oct 03 - 03:47 AM

Joe, the version I was looking for (one verse in Cray) was posted by Wildlone, in 1999, thread 13830: Praties
Wildlone says the verses were from "Poetry and Song, Book 4," but author, date, notes, etc. not given.

You posted some versions there as well, including the 1844 NY printing of "The Wonderful Song of Over There."


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Subject: RE: In Mobile
From: paddymac
Date: 26 Oct 03 - 11:47 AM

Q - The lyrics to "The Famine Song" are in the DT under that title, and also may be found by entering some combination on "the praties they grow small."


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Subject: RE: In Mobile
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 26 Oct 03 - 01:07 PM

Read the threads but skipped the DT. Oh, well.

Where did the "Famine Song" come from? The DT version has no attribution, and the post by Wildlone mentions only "Poetry and Song, book 4."

Parody of the Atwill sheets it may be, but is there any more information than that?


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Subject: ADD: In Kansas
From: Joe Offer
Date: 26 Oct 03 - 11:34 PM

I suppose we ought to keep "Praties" in the other thread (click), but I think these two versions from Belden show the link from "Praties" to "Kansas" to "Mobile."
-Joe Offer-

IN KANSAS
    A
Potatoes they grow small in Kansas,
Potatoes they grow small in Kansas,
Potatoes they grow small and they dig them in the fall
And they eat them tops and all in Kansas.

The girls grow tall in Kansas,
The girls grow tall in Kansas,
The girls grow tall and they marry in the fall
And they part not at all in Kansas,
    B
Don't you want to roam to Kansas?
Don't you want to roam to Kansas?
Don 't you want to roam
And get yourself a home
And be contented with the doom
In Kansas?

They chew tobacco thin in Kansas,
They chew tobacco thin in Kansas,
They chew tobacco thin
And spit it on their chins
And lick it in agin
In Kansas.

Potatoes they grow small in Kansas,
Potatoes they grow small in Kansas,
Potatoes they grow small,
And they dig 'em in the fall,
And eat 'em skin and all
In Kansas.
    Notes: This is an adaptation to the purpose of regional satire of a widely known popular jingle, 'Potatoes they grow small.' S. Foster Damon in his Series of Old American Songs has a facsimile of a sheet music print of it issued by Atwill, New York, in 1844, with the title 'The Wonderful Song of "Over There" ' and a note: 'How it originated remains a mystery as yet.' Barry, making some notes on my ballad list a good many years ago, wrote: 'This is an Americanized version of an Irish song about the potato blight and famine of 1848, when the people did have to eat potatoes "tops and all";' but in view of the date of Atwill 's print this explanation will hardly stand. Hudson reports it as sung in Mississippi (FSM 216-7), but without any regional application; and Spaeth has it in Read 'em and Weep 33-4.


source: Belden: Ballads and Songs Collected by the Missouri Folk-Lore Society


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Subject: RE: In Mobile / In Kansas
From: Joe_F
Date: 27 Oct 03 - 12:21 AM

There's a lack of fornication, in Mobile,...
So they're stuck with masturbation.
What a fucking situation in Mobile!

In Mobile, in Mobile,
In Mo-, in Mo-, in Mo-, in Mobile.
Ah, so! Ah, so! Aaaaah, so!

-- Recollected from St Andrews University, Scotland, 1959


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Subject: ADD Version: In Kansas
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 27 Oct 03 - 01:38 AM

IN KANSAS

Oh, the girls grow tall in Kansas,
The girls they grow tall in Kansas;
The girls they grow tall, the boys love them all,
Then marry them in the fall, in Kansas.

Now potatoes they grow small in Kansas,
Potatoes they grow small in Kansas;
Potatoes they grow small, they dig them in the fall,
And eat them hide and all, in Kansas.

Now they say to drink's a sin in Kansas,
They say to drink's a sin in Kansas;
They say to drink's a sin so they guzzle all they kin,
Though the drys are voted in, in Kansas.

Oh they chaw tobacco thin in Kansas,
They chaw tobacco thin in Kansas;
They chaw tobacco thin, they spit it on their chin,
And lap it up again, in Kansas.

So come all who want to roam in Kansas,
Come all who want to roam in Kansas;
Come all who want to roam and seek a prairie home,
And be happy with your doom, in Kansas.

Cowboy and Western Songs, A. E. and A. S. Fife, 1969 (1982), No. 32, pp. 96-97, with music, sung by Joan O'Bryant.
Very close to the one from Belden posted by Joe Offer, but easier to post in full than point out differences. The Fifes' says it is typical of the songs sung by frontiersmen, "at least since the 1840s."


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Subject: ADD Version: In Arkansas
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 27 Oct 03 - 02:49 PM

IN ARKANSAS

Oh the taters they grow small in Arkansas, (2x)
Oh the taters they grow small,
For they dig 'em in the fall,
An' they eat 'em tops an' all in Arkansas.

Oh the chickens they grow tall in Arkansas, (2x)
Oh the chickens they grow tall
An' their meat is full of gall,
An' they eat 'em guts an' all in Arkansas.

Oh they bake a polecat pie in Arkansas, (2x)
Oh they bake a polecat pie,
An' the crust is made of rye,
You must eat it if you die in Arkansas.

Oh they chaw terbacker thin in Arkansas, (2x)
Oh they chaw terbakker thin,
An' it runs down on their chin,
An' they wipe it off ag'in in Arkansas.

Oh I'd like to be a geese in Arkansas, (2x)
Oh I'd like to be a geese,
So I'd live an' die in peace,
An' accumulate some grease in Arkansas.

Mrs. C. O. Foster, MO, 1924. From Randolph, Ozark Folksongs, vol. 3, p. 18-19 with music.

Oh the candles they are small in Arkansas, (2x)
Oh the candles they are small,
For they dips 'em lean an' tall,
An' they burns 'em sticks an' all in Arkansas.

Oh the roosters they lay eggs in Arkansas, (2x)
Oh the roosters they lay eggs,
A big as whiskey kegs,
An' there's whiskers on their legs in Arkansas.

Anon. inmate, jail house in Carthage, MO, 1923.
From Randolph, Ozark Folksongs, vol. 3, p. 19.


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Subject: RE: In Mobile / In Kansas
From: Dave Bryant
Date: 28 Oct 03 - 10:53 AM

Well if we want a definitive version, I'll add some more debauchery.

There's a girl by name of Dinah in Mobile
There's a girl by name of Dinah in Mobile
There's a girl by name of Dinah and they say there's nothing finer
Than the touch of her vagina in Mobile

There's a girl by name of Florrie in Mobile
There's a girl by name of Florie in Mobile
There's a girl by name of Florie with a cunt just like a quarry
You could drive up in a lorry in Mobile

There's a man by name of West in Mobile
There's a man by name of West in Mobile
There's a man by name of West and he thinks he's got a breast
But his balls are on his chest in Mobile.

The gulls fly round lighthouse in Mobile
The gulls fly round lighthouse in Mobile
The gulls fly round lighthouse and they use it as shitehouse
So the lighthouse is a whitehouse in Mobile


But if you really want a yuk verse:

There's a shortage of san(itary) towels in Mobile
There's a shortage of san towels in Mobile
There's a shortage of san so they wait until it fouls
Then they scoop it out with trowels in Mobile.


Most of which I learnt at the wonderful sessions they used to have at "The Prospect of Whitby", Wapping, London.


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Subject: ADD Version: In Kansas (Cray)
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 28 Oct 03 - 02:33 PM

IN KANSAS (Cray)

Oh, the eagles they fly high in Kansas, (2x)
Oh, the eagles they fly high,
And they shit right in your eye.
Thank the Lord that cows don't fly in Kansas.

There's a shortage of good whores in Kansas, (2x)
There's a shortage of good whores,
But there's keyholes in the doors,
And there's knotholes in the floors in Kansas.

Oh, they say to drink's a sin in Kansas, (2x)
Oh, they say to drink's a sin,
But they guzzle all they kin,
And the Drys are voted in in Kansas.

They drink their whiskey neat in Kansas, (2x0
They drink their whiskey neat
"Til it knocks them off their feet,
And it petrifies their meat in Kansas.

Oh, I chased a parson's daughter in Kansas, (2x)
Oh, I chased a parson's daughter,
And I banged her when I caught her,
Now I cannot pass my water in Kansas.

There's no paper in the bogs in Kansas, (2x)
There's no paper in the bogs,
They just sit there 'til it clogs,
Then they saw it off in logs in Kansas.

If you ever go to jail in Kansas, (2x)
If you ever go to jail,
And you need a piece of tail,
The sheriff's wife is for sale in Kansas.

Ed Cray, 1992, The Erotic Muse, pp. 50-51 with sheet music. Univ. Illinois Press. Cray suggests that "In Kansas" came before "In Mobile."


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Subject: ADD Version: In Kansas (Greenway)
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 10 Nov 06 - 04:35 PM

IN KANSAS (Greenway)

1.
They chaw tobacco thin
In Kansas
They chaw tobacco thin
In Kansas
They chaw tobacco thin
And they spit it on their chin
And they lap it up agin
In Kansas.
2.
Oh they churn the butter well
In Kansas
Oh they churn the butter well
In Kansas
Oh they churn the butter well
And the buttermilk they sell
And they get lean as hell
In Kansas.
3.
Oh potatoes they grow small
In Kansas
Oh potatoes they grow small
In Kansas
Oh potatoes they grow small
And they dig 'em in the fall
And they eat 'em hides and all
In Kansas.
4.
Oh they say that drink's a sin
In Kansas
Oh they say that drink's a sin
In Kansas
Oh they say that drink's a sin
So they guzzle all they kin
And they throw it up again
In Kansas.
5.
Come all who want to roam
In Kansas
Come all who want to roam
In Kansas
Come all who want to roam
And seek yourself a home
And be happy with your doom
In Kansas.

"...dates from the latter part of the nineteenth century..."
Page 212-213, John Greenway, 1953, "American Songs of Protest," Univ. Pennsylvania Press (also Oxford Press).


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