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BS: Urgent: California Catters

Gypsy 13 Oct 03 - 10:22 PM
Amos 10 Oct 03 - 01:58 PM
McGrath of Harlow 10 Oct 03 - 01:19 PM
Amos 10 Oct 03 - 01:15 PM
NicoleC 10 Oct 03 - 12:36 PM
McGrath of Harlow 10 Oct 03 - 07:38 AM
Gypsy 09 Oct 03 - 10:24 PM
open mike 09 Oct 03 - 02:44 PM
McGrath of Harlow 09 Oct 03 - 01:28 PM
Amos 09 Oct 03 - 01:24 PM
McGrath of Harlow 09 Oct 03 - 06:22 AM
Charlie Baum 09 Oct 03 - 01:12 AM
GUEST,pdc 09 Oct 03 - 12:39 AM
Amos 09 Oct 03 - 12:17 AM
Stilly River Sage 09 Oct 03 - 12:04 AM
LadyJean 08 Oct 03 - 11:45 PM
Gypsy 08 Oct 03 - 11:40 PM
Greg F. 08 Oct 03 - 09:38 PM
michaelr 08 Oct 03 - 09:02 PM
Amos 08 Oct 03 - 08:07 PM
McGrath of Harlow 08 Oct 03 - 10:39 AM
Leo Condie 08 Oct 03 - 10:25 AM
Stilly River Sage 08 Oct 03 - 10:21 AM
NicoleC 08 Oct 03 - 10:17 AM
annamill 08 Oct 03 - 10:04 AM
Amos 08 Oct 03 - 09:38 AM
McGrath of Harlow 08 Oct 03 - 09:31 AM
wysiwyg 08 Oct 03 - 09:14 AM
Bill D 08 Oct 03 - 08:58 AM
wysiwyg 08 Oct 03 - 08:56 AM
Amos 08 Oct 03 - 08:37 AM
Greg F. 08 Oct 03 - 07:27 AM
catspaw49 08 Oct 03 - 06:08 AM
Joe Offer 08 Oct 03 - 04:52 AM
darkriver 08 Oct 03 - 02:05 AM
GUEST,Edain 08 Oct 03 - 02:05 AM
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Bill D 07 Oct 03 - 06:34 PM
Greg F. 07 Oct 03 - 06:21 PM
Wesley S 07 Oct 03 - 01:27 PM
Barry Finn 07 Oct 03 - 10:52 AM
Greg F. 07 Oct 03 - 08:26 AM
open mike 07 Oct 03 - 04:49 AM
GUEST,pdc 07 Oct 03 - 12:29 AM
Ebbie 06 Oct 03 - 11:30 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: Urgent: California Catters
From: Gypsy
Date: 13 Oct 03 - 10:22 PM

OOOOOOOOOOOHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh..........i could go out with my chainsaw. That would do it!


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Subject: RE: BS: Urgent: California Catters
From: Amos
Date: 10 Oct 03 - 01:58 PM

Not THAT legend, Kevin -- California!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Urgent: California Catters
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 10 Oct 03 - 01:19 PM

What would Zorro be doing in a situation like this?


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Subject: RE: BS: Urgent: California Catters
From: Amos
Date: 10 Oct 03 - 01:15 PM

Hell, maybe the old SPanish legend will come true and California will become an island -- not because of earthquakes, but because we sawed it off and poled out to sea!!!

A


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Subject: RE: BS: Urgent: California Catters
From: NicoleC
Date: 10 Oct 03 - 12:36 PM

Only Texas can, Kevin. Special deal. If Californians are gonna fight over something like that, it'd be a fight for independance instead.


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Subject: RE: BS: Urgent: California Catters
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 10 Oct 03 - 07:38 AM

Are you allowed to split states without having another Civil WAr?


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Subject: RE: BS: Urgent: California Catters
From: Gypsy
Date: 09 Oct 03 - 10:24 PM

I have wanted CA to be two states my entire voting life. We could finance NO CA by selling water down south. Let THEM deal with that fathead. If you look at the map, not much of MY area had anything to do with him. We were all ANTI recall.


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Subject: RE: BS: Urgent: California Catters
From: open mike
Date: 09 Oct 03 - 02:44 PM

i never thought this would happen..
canada looks better every day..
scary to think there are enough
people here to make such a travesty
occur! At least Bustamonte is still
there-i heard him quoted as saying:
I know you like to go all around the world
and make movies, Mr. S. so go ahead and do
that i will stay here and take care of business.

I had hoped that the last minut news of A.S.'s
actions would bring people to their senses.
too bad.


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Subject: RE: BS: Urgent: California Catters
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 09 Oct 03 - 01:28 PM

I rather think Walt Kelly was intending that pun in the first place.


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Subject: RE: BS: Urgent: California Catters
From: Amos
Date: 09 Oct 03 - 01:24 PM

Now, Kevin.....


A


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Subject: RE: BS: Urgent: California Catters
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 09 Oct 03 - 06:22 AM

It should be noted that in the classic Pogo cartoon the line Greg quotes - "We have met the enemy, and he is us" - is printed in capital letters. This perhaps makes a significant difference so far as the last two letters are concerned...


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Subject: RE: BS: Urgent: California Catters
From: Charlie Baum
Date: 09 Oct 03 - 01:12 AM

I think we should gather signatures for another recall election, and get Clint Eastwood to be the Democratic candidate to go up against Arnold.


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Subject: RE: BS: Urgent: California Catters
From: GUEST,pdc
Date: 09 Oct 03 - 12:39 AM

Ask them why, Amos.


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Subject: RE: BS: Urgent: California Catters
From: Amos
Date: 09 Oct 03 - 12:17 AM

Two of the stupidest people I know have shared with me how thrilled they are that he made it.

I just smile and nod and cross my fingers. What can I say?

A


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Subject: RE: BS: Urgent: California Catters
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 09 Oct 03 - 12:04 AM

Where is Tom Lehrer when we need him? (Er, California, last time I read about him!) Remember his song about Senator Murphy? "Now we have a senator who can really sing and dance!" That was before Reagan was actually elected President, mind you. By then it had all gone to Hell in a handbasket and Lehrer had stopped writing.

California Democrats need some sort of powerful painkiller with such a double whammy--those of us in Texas know how you're feeling--when Dubya made the leap from Governor to Resident, we wondered what on earth kind of insanity had swept the place (though we recognized the Reagan touch on that Supreme Court that appointed him). Now you still have that meathead as Resident, and Ah-nold heading for the governor's seat. Nothing exquisite about that agony! (Lehrer again. . .)

On the other hand, if Garrison Keillor responds to Arnold the way he did to Jessie Ventura, I'm going to enjoy Prairie Home Companion for the next few years. I sometimes wondered if Keillor single-handedly shamed him out of office. In this instance, I find it appropriate that Keillor takes on an unarmed opponent. :)

SRS


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Subject: RE: BS: Urgent: California Catters
From: LadyJean
Date: 08 Oct 03 - 11:45 PM

YET ANOTHER SECOND RATE MOVIE ACTOR IS GOVERNOR OF CALIFORNIA! WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE? I NEVER THOUGHT I'D SAY THIS, BUT I'M GLAD I LIVE IN PITTSBURGH AND NOT SAN FRANCISCO!!!!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Urgent: California Catters
From: Gypsy
Date: 08 Oct 03 - 11:40 PM

Greg F, i resent you labeling me. I protested the recall, and certainly had no use for a fathead movie actor. Don't even BEGIN to judge people you don't know. We are screwed enough, just by having this clown in office. The only saving grace.........enough of the prior administration, including Bustamonte, are still in place to thwart him. I'm scared........this idiot doesn't even know the ramifications of any decisions that he might make.


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Subject: RE: BS: Urgent: California Catters
From: Greg F.
Date: 08 Oct 03 - 09:38 PM

Yeah, well, it may be all of that, but its also true.

We have met the enemy, and he is us. (aplologies to Pogo)


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Subject: RE: BS: Urgent: California Catters
From: michaelr
Date: 08 Oct 03 - 09:02 PM

Greg F -- sorry it took me so long to get back to you.

It's a dumbass thing to say because it's a slogan, a soundbite, a platitude, a hoary old saw. What's worse, it's unhelpful, it's not constructive criticism, and it does nothing to address the burning question: What are we going to do to turn this shit around?!

I must admit, though, that today I feel like it's hopeless...

Cheers,
Michael


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Subject: RE: BS: Urgent: California Catters
From: Amos
Date: 08 Oct 03 - 08:07 PM

There's the problem: life becoming a bad movie instead of a good one!


A


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Subject: RE: BS: Urgent: California Catters
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 08 Oct 03 - 10:39 AM

Or, to put it differently, one big Arnold film series running as an interactive serial movie.

I see Michael Moore has been talking up Oprah Winfrey as the one to beat Bush. After this, why not. She's a much more convincing star for that kind of job.

I still think Howard the Duck should have made it when he ran fpor President.


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Subject: RE: BS: Urgent: California Catters
From: Leo Condie
Date: 08 Oct 03 - 10:25 AM

look on the bright side - no ahhnud films for a good few years.


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Subject: RE: BS: Urgent: California Catters
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 08 Oct 03 - 10:21 AM

Condolences, Amos. I'm going to check out the Guardian and the BBC and see what they have to say, and some of the other world press. Will probably make for some interesting reading. I'm glad I don't live in a state where the governor is a cartoonish character. . . oops, wait, I live in Texas. We have Rick "Good Hair" Perry, Dubya's handpicked successor.

Never mind.


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Subject: RE: BS: Urgent: California Catters
From: NicoleC
Date: 08 Oct 03 - 10:17 AM

No, Arnold's not dumb.

As for the sexual harrassment goes, believe every word of it. It's been one of those known but ignored things in Hollywood for at least 15 years that I know of, but probably for more. You just don't mess with the big star no matter what they do or do to you, and a woman who complains is fired, blacklisted, and lucky to find a job typing orders at the local U-Haul. I was advised to stay far away from Arnold years ago, and have heard much more chilling stories than those in the press from women I know and trust who have worked with him.

Suddenly I'm glad I'm back in La-La land, since Arnold is going to Sacramento!


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Subject: RE: BS: Urgent: California Catters
From: annamill
Date: 08 Oct 03 - 10:04 AM

Amos, this is to try to make you feel better.

I once heard Ahhh..nold on (if you'll excuse me) Howard Stern's show and Howard was going on about how "HOT" Maria Shriver was. Arnold didn't get angry or say anything nasty, but very quietly, without Howard noticing, swayed Howard off to another direction in conversation. Hard to do with Howard. I was very impressed and I remember thinking that maybe Ahhh..nold had some intellegence behind that braun. And I don't mean in his buttocks. My impression of all these woman suddenly coming forward was a political ploy. It only annoyed me.

There might be some hope.

Love Annamill


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Subject: RE: BS: Urgent: California Catters
From: Amos
Date: 08 Oct 03 - 09:38 AM

Kevin:

An interesting and unsettling question indeed.

The problem with power-appeasers is they don't vote the future.

In a sense this might have been predictable -- the Baby Boom, now graying, is slipping in to its reactionary phase, where the ballot is turned more by the sacroiliac than the heart.

I only hope he will turn out to be a bit stronger than he looks. For all his physical accomplishments, he has always struck me as an appeaser.

Here's to the future -- bring 'em on!!

A


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Subject: RE: BS: Urgent: California Catters
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 08 Oct 03 - 09:31 AM

Seems that the majority of voters want Arnold

Strictly speaking that's not true - 48% is not a majority. But close to one.

The really scary thing is that the future of the planet is in the hnads of people who can do this kind of thing. That isn't anti-American. There are probably other countries where voters are just as naive and strange - but fortunately they aren't in a position to destroy the world.

This looks like being a most peculiar century were in now. What the hell is waiting for us up ahead?


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Subject: RE: BS: Urgent: California Catters
From: wysiwyg
Date: 08 Oct 03 - 09:14 AM

Far too FEW, sorry!

Where's my COFFEE??

~S~


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Subject: RE: BS: Urgent: California Catters
From: Bill D
Date: 08 Oct 03 - 08:58 AM

well....gee...look at it from the bright side. If this doesn't work out, you still have Gary Coleman waiting in the wings!   ...and 100+ other solid citizens!

Um...seriously, I hope we are ALL wrong, but I still shudder.


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Subject: RE: BS: Urgent: California Catters
From: wysiwyg
Date: 08 Oct 03 - 08:56 AM

Clearly we have far too many California Catters.

The heck with registering voters. Register Mudcatters, then get them to vote.

~S~


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Subject: RE: BS: Urgent: California Catters
From: Amos
Date: 08 Oct 03 - 08:37 AM

Well -- hell. I don't agree with the recall. And I don't agree witht he choice of the movie-sodden masses. I do not believe it was well thought out.

That said, perhaps, given he is characterized as a man who habitually wins at what he does, that he will do some good for the state of California.

It is unfortunate that a Republican has been slotted in to California. It makes me want to check out Portugal or the Greek Islands. I am afraid it is going to set up a satanic correspondence between the Kenneth Lay-Pete Wilson Axis and the forces of the Dark House represented by Resident W.

I really hope I am wrong this time.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: Urgent: California Catters
From: Greg F.
Date: 08 Oct 03 - 07:27 AM

Well, I'm with Abe Lincoln on this one-

When it comes to this, I shall prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretence of loving liberty...where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.(Aug 24, 1855)

and

If destruction be our lot, we must ourselves be its author and finisher. As a nation of freemen we must live through all time, or die by suicide.(Jan 3, 1838)

Looks like we're well on the way.


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Subject: RE: BS: Urgent: California Catters
From: catspaw49
Date: 08 Oct 03 - 06:08 AM

As I said in another thread, remember that the Kennedy family has a long history of tragedy occuring to their members serving their country.........so there is hope.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: Urgent: California Catters
From: Joe Offer
Date: 08 Oct 03 - 04:52 AM

Well, at least Arnold won it with a reasonable number of votes. Projections show the recall won with 54 percent of the vote, which means 46 percent voted against the recall and for Gray Davis.
Arnold won with 48 percent of the vote. Cruz Bustamante had only 33 percent of the vote, so Arnold could have squeaked in with a mere 34 percent of the vote - which would have been an outrage.
Seems that the majority of voters want Arnold.
That stinks.
-Joe Offer-

Click here for election results.


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Subject: RE: BS: Urgent: California Catters
From: darkriver
Date: 08 Oct 03 - 02:05 AM

welp, it's over and we now have a Nazi weightlifter as governor.

Time to check out Idaho.


doug aka darkriver


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Subject: RE: BS: Urgent: California Catters
From: GUEST,Edain
Date: 08 Oct 03 - 02:05 AM

Bugger

ATleast it looks like prop 54 is dead in the water....


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Subject: RE: BS: Urgent: California Catters
From: NicoleC
Date: 07 Oct 03 - 08:15 PM

Quite right, Bill D. A van parked in my condo complex encourages recalling Davis and voting for A.S. because of 9/11. ?! (Er, the Nazi's will save us from the terrorists, or what?)

They also appear to be under the impression that Bustamonte is being recalled, too... which suggests that they've never bother to look at a CA gubernatorial ballot before, or they'd realize they aren't on one ticket.

*sigh* Worse yet, I never got confirmation that my re-registration a month ago went through with my new address, so I didn't get to vote today anyway. I suppose that the Sec of State's office has been a wee bit busy lately and I'll cut 'em some slack for the slow response this time.


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Subject: RE: BS: Urgent: California Catters
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 07 Oct 03 - 07:50 PM

Presumably if Arnie does get in people can promptly start collecting signatures to recall him, and it all starts again. After all, it doesnm't take all that many and most people will have voted against him. Well, Hollywood goes in for sequels.


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Subject: RE: BS: Urgent: California Catters
From: Bill D
Date: 07 Oct 03 - 06:34 PM

"...the evendumberasses that can't be bothered to vote?"

well, I at least understand why they used to have literacy tests and qualifications for voting, even if they were administered unfairly. I know people who have no IDEA of what the real issues are, and vote by the seat of their pants and for the candidate with the most 'fame & charisma'...like now...


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Subject: RE: BS: Urgent: California Catters
From: Greg F.
Date: 07 Oct 03 - 06:21 PM

here in the U.S. we just can't/won't see it for what it's become

Barry, the operative word is won't and if they can't its because they won't be bothered to get off their asses and inform themselves and use their freakin' brains for a change. This shit isn't subtle- it positively screams "bogus!"

While I have to admit your point We truly do not live in a "representative democratic system" today & haven't for some time now I ask again: who's ultimately responsible for allowing and perpetuating THAT situation? Space Aliens? Or is it just perhaps the dumbass voters and the evendumberasses that can't be bothered to vote?

Wesley- actually, I was thinking of both Joseph de Maistre
"Every nation has the government it deserves." (1811)
and Ben Franklin:
They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little
temporary safety deserve neither liberty nore safety." (1759)


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Subject: RE: BS: Urgent: California Catters
From: Wesley S
Date: 07 Oct 03 - 01:27 PM

By the way Greg - I agree with you. Isn't that quote about "the government they deserve" from Thomas Jefferson ? Or was it Ben Franklin ? I usually credit Jefferson when I use it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Urgent: California Catters
From: Barry Finn
Date: 07 Oct 03 - 10:52 AM

Greg F, I can agree with you somewhat but the people of California no more run the state than the citizens of Florida, just as the people of the U.S. have no say (or a best very little) in what happens here. Yes I agree part of the problem is a large part of the voters are dumber than stone but they've been pushed & driven in that direction by a lot of different forces & coming at them from a lot different directions. The phrase "be carefull what you ask for, you just get it" should bechanged to "be carefull what you're told to ask for". We truly do not live in a "representative democratic system" today & haven't for some time now. We are being dictated by very big business, the media, the PentaGONE, Texas ranchers & a host of other blood suckers, we are no different than the dictatorships that we overthrow. With the exception that here in the U.S. we just can't/won't see it for what it's become. Barry


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Subject: RE: BS: Urgent: California Catters
From: Greg F.
Date: 07 Oct 03 - 08:26 AM

Greg F, that's a dumbass thing to say.

Uh, Mikey , exactly whose fault- in a representative democratic system- that the people of California are allowing- many enthusiastically supporting- this recall circus or that a REAL "dumbass" Ahnold is leading in the polls and may very possibly be elected?

Space Aliens?


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Subject: RE: BS: Urgent: California Catters
From: open mike
Date: 07 Oct 03 - 04:49 AM

as i posted in the arnie for prez thread:
the operative phrase here is a quote from 'Arnie himself:
"..I cannot recall.."....after all isn't it a recall that this
is all about and if he himself says he cannot....
well I second that emotion!


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Subject: RE: BS: Urgent: California Catters
From: GUEST,pdc
Date: 07 Oct 03 - 12:29 AM

I just read on another forum that the LA Times is being blasted by people all over the state for reporting Arnie's groping habits.

I've decided (once again) that the entire USA is completely and irretrievably bonkers.


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Subject: RE: BS: Urgent: California Catters
From: Ebbie
Date: 06 Oct 03 - 11:30 PM

I would love some good, heartening political news for a change, so tonight I will picture tomorrow's California election as being an absolute blowout- sending Swarzenegger puffuttttttting into the sky like a released and quickly emptying balloon. Then I will have hope once more for the people of our nation.


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Subject: RE: BS: Urgent: California Catters
From: michaelr
Date: 06 Oct 03 - 09:45 PM

Greg F, that's a dumbass thing to say.

Check this out:

ARNOLD UNPLUGGED
It's hasta la vista to $9 billion if the Governator is selected

by Greg Palast
Friday October 3, 2003

It's not what Arnold Schwarzenegger did to the girls a decade back that should raise an eyebrow. According to a series of memoranda our office obtained today, it's his dalliance with the boys in a hotel room just two years ago that's the real scandal.

The wannabe governor has yet to deny that on May 17, 2001, at the
Peninsula Hotel in Los Angeles, he had consensual political intercourse with Enron chieftain Kenneth Lay. Also frolicking with Arnold and Ken was convicted stock swindler Mike Milken.

Now, thirty-four pages of internal Enron memoranda have just come
through this reporter's fax machine tell all about the tryst between
Maria's husband and the corporate con men. It turns out that
Schwarzenegger knowingly joined the hush-hush encounter as part of a
campaign to sabotage a Davis-Bustamante plan to make Enron and other
power pirates then ravaging California pay back the $9 billion in
illicit profits they carried off.

Here's the story Arnold doesn't want you to hear. The biggest single
threat to Ken Lay and the electricity lords is a private lawsuit filed
last year under California's unique Civil Code provision 17200, the
"Unfair Business Practices Act." This litigation, heading to trial now in Los Angeles, would make the power companies return the $9 billion they filched from California electricity and gas customers.

It takes real cojones to bring such a suit. Who's the plaintiff taking on the bad guys? Cruz Bustamante, Lieutenant Governor and reluctant leading candidate against Schwarzenegger.

Now follow the action. One month after Cruz brings suit, Enron's Lay
calls an emergency secret meeting in L.A. of his political buck-buddies, including Arnold. Their plan, to undercut Davis (according to Enron memos) and "solve" the energy crisis -- that is, make the Bustamante legal threat go away.

How can that be done? Follow the trail with me.

While Bustamante's kicking Enron butt in court, the Davis Administration is simultaneously demanding that George Bush's energy
regulators order the $9 billion refund. Don't hold your breath:
Bush's Federal Energy Regulatory Commission is headed by a guy proposed by … Ken Lay.

But Bush's boys on the commission have a problem. The evidence against the electricity barons is rock solid: fraudulent reporting of sales transactions, megawatt "laundering," fake power delivery scheduling and straight out conspiracy (including meetings in hotel
rooms).

So the Bush commissioners cook up a terrific scheme: charge the companies with conspiracy but offer them, behind closed doors, deals in which they have to pay only two cents on each dollar they filched.

Problem: the slap-on-the-wrist refunds won't sail if the Governor of
California won't play along. Solution: Re-call the Governor.

New Problem: the guy most likely to replace Davis is not Mr. Musclehead, but Cruz Bustamante, even a bigger threat to the power
companies than Davis. Solution: smear Cruz because -- heaven forbid! he took donations from Injuns (instead of Ken Lay).

The pay-off? Once Arnold is Governor, he blesses the sweetheart
settlements with the power companies. When that happens, Bustamante's
court cases are probably lost. There aren't many judges who will let a case go to trial to protect a state if that a governor has already
allowed the matter to be "settled" by a regulatory agency.

So think about this. The state of California is in the hole by $8
billion for the coming year. That's chump change next to the $8
TRILLION in deficits and surplus losses planned and incurred by George
Bush. Nevertheless, the $8 billion deficit is the hanging rope
California's right wing is using to lynch Governor Davis.

Yet only Davis and Bustamante are taking direct action to get back the
$9 billion that was vacuumed out of the state by Enron, Reliant, Dynegy, Williams Company and the other Texas bandits who squeezed the
state by the bulbs.

But if Arnold is selected, it's 'hasta la vista' to the $9 billion.
When the electricity emperors whistle, Arnold comes -- to the Peninsula Hotel or the Governor's mansion. The he-man turns
pussycat and curls up in their lap.

I asked Mr. Muscle's PR people to comment on the new Enron memos -- and his strange silence on Bustamante's suit or Davis' petition. But
Arnold was too busy shaving off his Hitlerian mustache to respond.


To receive more of Greg's investigative reports go to:
http://www.gregpalast.com/contact.cfm

Greg Palast is author of the New York Times bestseller, "The Best
Democracy Money Can Buy" as well as "Regulation and Democracy" (with
Theo MacGregor and Jerrold Oppenheim), the United Nations guide to
utility deregulation. Read Palast's commentaries at
www.GregPalast.com. Reprints permitted. Contact: media@gregpalast.com. The Enron memos were discovered by the
Foundation for Taxpayer and Consumer Rights, Los Angeles,
www.ConsumerWatchdog.org


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Subject: RE: BS: Urgent: California Catters
From: Greg F.
Date: 06 Oct 03 - 06:54 PM

The people of California are getting the election- and very possibly the governor- that they deserve.


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Subject: RE: BS: Urgent: California Catters
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 06 Oct 03 - 06:33 PM

Even if Arnold gets in, never let it be forgotten that Hartlepool got there first: "Monkey mascot elected mayor".


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Subject: RE: BS: Urgent: California Catters
From: Bill D
Date: 06 Oct 03 - 05:55 PM

I sincerely HOPE that there are not enough foolish people in California who are awed by Arnold's persona to actually VOTE this paradigm of excess testosterone into public office....but if they DO, remember how easy it can be to force a recall election in that strange state!


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