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BS: Urgent: California Catters

Amos 02 Oct 03 - 05:39 PM
Ebbie 02 Oct 03 - 07:07 PM
Bill D 02 Oct 03 - 07:12 PM
GUEST,Mickey191 02 Oct 03 - 07:21 PM
Amos 02 Oct 03 - 07:53 PM
Sorcha 02 Oct 03 - 09:25 PM
NicoleC 02 Oct 03 - 09:42 PM
Gypsy 02 Oct 03 - 09:48 PM
Edain 02 Oct 03 - 09:49 PM
Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull 02 Oct 03 - 09:51 PM
Rustic Rebel 02 Oct 03 - 09:51 PM
Sorcha 02 Oct 03 - 09:55 PM
michaelr 02 Oct 03 - 10:06 PM
Greg F. 02 Oct 03 - 10:20 PM
NicoleC 02 Oct 03 - 10:23 PM
open mike 02 Oct 03 - 11:55 PM
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mack/misophist 03 Oct 03 - 01:04 AM
Mudlark 03 Oct 03 - 01:36 AM
Bev and Jerry 03 Oct 03 - 01:55 AM
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Subject: BS: Urgent: California Catters
From: Amos
Date: 02 Oct 03 - 05:39 PM

I realize this is a music forum. This, however, is amatter of overriding urgency in my opinion.

I have to urge you, if you have a say in the matter, to vote against the Recall in California. Not because there is any great virtue in keeping Gray Davis, but because Arnold Schwarznegger is as dangerous a man as could possibly be elected. He is a brutalizer of women, not just a womanizer, but one who uses violence. He is owned by the Pete Wilson circle which owes its loyalty to the people who brought you the war in Iraq (Blood in the Sand and Blood in the Sand II). He is big, strong, loutish, brutish and insensitive.

Do whatever you must do to block his accession to the Governor's house. Under current conditions that means blocking the recall. Because the combination of Bush in DC and Schwarznegger in Sacramento is extremely repulsive. I believe it is something that should be prevented if at all possible.


Thanks for your attention,

Amos


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Subject: RE: BS: Urgent: California Catters
From: Ebbie
Date: 02 Oct 03 - 07:07 PM

Amos, good luck. My daughter and her husband live in California. My son in law is a born and bred conservative Republican who supported Wilson. I haven't much doubt but that he/they supported Swartzenegger- we gave up discussing politics and human rights some time ago so I can't be sure.

But they are bright people in other ways- my hope, since the latest news has come out, is that at the least they'll post only a protest vote in the recall. (Gary Coleman, maybe!) I would be not only mortified but repulsed if I found they had voted for A.S.

I don't understand why Davis is in this position in the first place. They say the recall is legal- but surely it was instituted to be used in cases of malfeasance and other chicanery? Surely not because a governor's judgments are not popular? I can't imagine any of the gubernatorial candidates having a better grasp than the incumbent on what can be done to bring California out of its current mess.


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Subject: RE: BS: Urgent: California Catters
From: Bill D
Date: 02 Oct 03 - 07:12 PM

I hope it works, Amos...as 'interesting' as it would be, it would also be a travesty to have A.S. in there, and California can ill afford two recalls...


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Subject: RE: BS: Urgent: California Catters
From: GUEST,Mickey191
Date: 02 Oct 03 - 07:21 PM

Does the phrase "Only in America" fit in here? At first, most of us thought it was a joke. Yesterday it appeared he just might sneak in. Hope this new (to us) revelation might stop him in his tracks. Keeping my fingers crossed, Amos.


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Subject: RE: BS: Urgent: California Catters
From: Amos
Date: 02 Oct 03 - 07:53 PM

It just send shivers through me to think of that lout in Sacramento -- under the guiding light of Bush, it would be a Reich built to last a thousand years....

A


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Subject: RE: BS: Urgent: California Catters
From: Sorcha
Date: 02 Oct 03 - 09:25 PM

Amos, haven't seen this news. Where is it? (not that I can vote in CA anyway, but I'm curious)


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Subject: RE: BS: Urgent: California Catters
From: NicoleC
Date: 02 Oct 03 - 09:42 PM

Republicans with any sense will back McClintock, not AS. TM may be utterly wrong in his political views -- ;) -- but at least he's principled, consistant, and thoroughly experienced in governing. Nor have I really heard any bad things about his character or they way he treats anybody, even despite the usual mudslinging that ends up all over politicians.

Given that Republicans have a viable and worthy candidate, voting for AS can only be considered some sort of misguided delusion by folks who think that AS = The Eraser or any of his other movie characters. I'd hate to see Tom win, but it wouldn't make me repulsed or afraid.

Take a deep breath, Amos, and recite this mantra: "He can't be President... he can't be President."


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Subject: RE: BS: Urgent: California Catters
From: Gypsy
Date: 02 Oct 03 - 09:48 PM

oh, man, will try to vote twice against the recall! Arnold is too much the clown.......takes such stances as "i support education".....how daring can you get, huh? Have no use for the fellow. Of course, i wasn't wild about our last movies star governer/prez, either! Since Barry Keene wrote the law stating that the Lieutenant gov would take over in the case of the govenor being unable to serve, and was told that "that wasn't what you meant", i've been going nuts!


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Subject: RE: BS: Urgent: California Catters
From: Edain
Date: 02 Oct 03 - 09:49 PM

Well, I can't vote in the recall obviously but my three flatmates can and not one of them has declaired an interest in voting for AS thankfully. From what I've seen and heard in the short time I've been in Ca I'd have to conclude that if I did have the vote I'd probably vote for the Green party bod rather than any of the 'main stream' parties. I agree with NicoleC though, although I throughly disagree with his policies, I hink I'd rather have TM running the state than AS, but then, I've only been here a few weeks...


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Subject: RE: BS: Urgent: California Catters
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 02 Oct 03 - 09:51 PM

heloo, waht all this is about then?


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Subject: RE: BS: Urgent: California Catters
From: Rustic Rebel
Date: 02 Oct 03 - 09:51 PM

There is a commercial on the tube right now, showing Jessi Ventura sitting at the computer browsing through the candidates for Cal. governor and he says, "They'll let anyone run for governor of California."
I found that to be a humourous commercial. Good luck Amos, I had a wrestler for governor! (Although I believe he did better than the one we have now.)
Peace, Rustic


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Subject: RE: BS: Urgent: California Catters
From: Sorcha
Date: 02 Oct 03 - 09:55 PM

Never mind about the Sources, I found it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Urgent: California Catters
From: michaelr
Date: 02 Oct 03 - 10:06 PM

As a CA resident, I assure you that there is more to Herr Dickhead's candidacy than meets the eye. The Bushwackers would love nothing better than to have a Republican governor in California so that, come Election 2004 time, they can pull off another Florida. They know damn well they can't win the state honestly, so they've set up this phony recall to steal it.

Vote NO on the recall, and vote Bustamante in case. Any other vote will be a gamble the state AND the country can ill afford.

Cheers,
Michael


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Subject: RE: BS: Urgent: California Catters
From: Greg F.
Date: 02 Oct 03 - 10:20 PM

It was a travesty to have Ronald Reagan "in there", and the "he can't be president" mantra didn't work in that instance.

Darker days for the Republic are a'comin.


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Subject: RE: BS: Urgent: California Catters
From: NicoleC
Date: 02 Oct 03 - 10:23 PM

Arnold's not born in the US, Greg. I can't see that getting consitutionally amended when everyone is afraid the dang furriners are trying to resist the good ol' US of A.


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Subject: RE: BS: Urgent: California Catters
From: open mike
Date: 02 Oct 03 - 11:55 PM

Ariana Huffington is recommending to vote no on the recall.
she has withdrawn from the race.
If the ;re-call is not passed
does that mean that Davis will remain as gov?
I am voting no on teh recall and
yes for Bustamonte.


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Subject: RE: BS: Urgent: California Catters
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Oct 03 - 11:56 PM

uh, when has arnie beaten on women?


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Subject: RE: BS: Urgent: California Catters
From: open mike
Date: 03 Oct 03 - 12:05 AM

http://moveon.org/pac/recall/materials.html
This morning the Los Angeles Times published the stories of six women who say they were physically abused by Arnold Schwarzenegger as recently as three years ago. We've included excerpts from the article at the bottom of this email. The stories are shocking, but they fit a pattern of previous reports.

We're launching a television ad devoted to putting Arnold's problem with women into the public eye. We feel that this is a critical step that absolutely must be taken, but we need $500,000 to make this happen. Please help us fund the ad campaign by clicking here:

http://www.moveonpac.org/

Then join us for these last few days of our campaign to defeat the recall. There's a lot you can do to make a difference. Sign up to help by going here:

http://moveon.org/pac/recall/

The stories published in the LA Times today are consistent with statements Schwarzenegger has made and incidents he's been involved in throughout his entire career.

If you think his personal views and behavior can be separated from his new career as a politician, think again: Schwarzenegger has not included a single woman on his economic council. In a state where there are tens of thousands of women in positions of power, there was not even one he respected enough add to his team.

Schwarzenegger has a serious problem with women, reflected in both his actions and his words. His own statements -- even just months ago -- paint a clear picture of a man who has absolutely no respect for women:

"How many times do you get away with this--to take a woman, grab her upside down, and bury her face in a toilet bowl?"
July, 2003 Entertainment Weekly interview, speaking about a scene from his latest film.

"When you see a blonde with great tits and a great ass, you say to yourself, 'Hey, she must be stupid or must have nothing else to offer', which maybe is the case many times."
July, 2003 Esquire Magazine interview.

"Girls became sex objects. I saw the other bodybuilders using them in this way and I thought it was all right...Whatever I thought might hold me back, I avoided. I crossed girls off my list -- except as tools for my sexual needs." 1977 Memoir, Arnold: the Education of a Bodybuilder

The stories revealed in the LA Times are consistent with many other cases which have been reported. Three years ago Arnold made headlines in the U.K. after a string of sexually abusive groping incidents -- one of which took place in an on camera interview. During the on-camera incident Schwarzenegger explained, "If my wife saw this I'd be in trouble, I'd have to tell her it was a stunt double."

Premiere, a respected film industry magazine, interviewed the women involved -- all reporters:

Anna Richardson of Big Screen claims that after the cameras stopped rolling for her interview segment, Schwarzenegger, apparently attempting to ascertain whether Richardson's breasts were real, tweaked her nipple and then laughed at her objections. "I left the room quite shaken," she says. "What was more upsetting was that his people rushed to protect him and scapegoated me, and not one person came to apologize afterward."


Apparently Schwarzenegger's behavior is an open secret in Hollywood. The same article quoted Hollywood insiders and Schwarzenegger colleagues saying that is typical behavior for the actor:

"You don't get it," said a producer who's worked with Schwarzenegger. "That's the way Arnold always behaves. For some reason, [this time] the studio or the publicists couldn't put enough pressure on the women to kill the story."

Arnold's problem with women is not a case of insensitive comments or inappropriate actions. It's an appalling record of disrespect and abuse of women. It would be a disgrace to women and a disgrace to all the people of California if Schwarzenegger became Governor.

The once-confusing recall election is now dramatically simple: if you don't vote against the recall, Schwarzenegger will become governor. Join us in these last few days we have to defeat the recall. Sign up here:

http://moveon.org/pac/recall/


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Subject: RE: BS: Urgent: California Catters
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Oct 03 - 12:09 AM

the only evidence of abuse i see is from a frickin movie. Open Mike, do you know the difference between fact and fiction?


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Subject: RE: BS: Urgent: California Catters
From: Amos
Date: 03 Oct 03 - 12:26 AM

GUEST:

Open your wee little eyes, then. And polish your people skills--you're being rude again.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: Urgent: California Catters
From: mack/misophist
Date: 03 Oct 03 - 01:04 AM

I'm in California. The man who started the recall movement is a vicious right wing instigator and a party hack. It's interesting, though, that Issa(that;s his name) is Turkish for Jesus. Delusions of grandeur, perhaps?


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Subject: RE: BS: Urgent: California Catters
From: Mudlark
Date: 03 Oct 03 - 01:36 AM

I'm outraged that this travesty was allowed in the first place. A recall based on WalMart shoppers...and with the "winner," if recall goes thru, able to walk away with governorship with less votes than the incumbent got during the real election. I sent in my absentee ballot a long time ago...no on recall. And tho I think Bustamente lame, voted for him as backup, simply as a protest to the whole rotten affair. Actually, in the debate, which was a further debacle, I thot Conejo (grn party) pretty impressive.


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Subject: RE: BS: Urgent: California Catters
From: Bev and Jerry
Date: 03 Oct 03 - 01:55 AM

Arnold denied the story this morning and then admitted it is all true and he apologized publicly to those women who were his victims. He says that's all behind him now. Right.

Even Darrel Issa, who spent more than a million dollars to pay for signatures on petitions for the recall now realizes the folly of his ways and is begging voters to vote "no" on the recall.

Bev and Jerry


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Subject: RE: BS: Urgent: California Catters
From: Bev and Jerry
Date: 03 Oct 03 - 02:04 AM

Now the media is accusing Arnold of making statements praising Hitler. Arnold says he doesn't remember doing that.

Bustamane stated publicly that the things Arnold admitted to this morning are misdemeanor crimes in California and he quoted the law to prove it.

Bev and Jerry


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Subject: RE: BS: Urgent: California Catters
From: Greg F.
Date: 03 Oct 03 - 08:19 AM

That's OK, B&J just so he doesn't get a blowjob from an intern, I'm sure the Repubs. and the morons will have no problem ignoring the law.

He probably DOESN'T remember- which is more scary than if he did, and should disqualify him all the more rapidly.


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Subject: RE: BS: Urgent: California Catters
From: wysiwyg
Date: 03 Oct 03 - 09:46 AM

The Hitler thing is said (by media) to stem from a long-ago book proposal. Do steroids interfere with memory, duh?

What he has "forgotten" is bad enough, in terms of content, but it also bothers me just that he seems to have such memory problems.

~S~


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Subject: RE: BS: Urgent: California Catters
From: Amos
Date: 03 Oct 03 - 09:53 AM

Arnold is looking for a free ride.

And his abusiveness is behind him the way Bush's alcohol disappeared when he was born again -- only in the most meretricious sense. The substance is unchanged.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: Urgent: California Catters
From: GUEST,heric
Date: 03 Oct 03 - 12:44 PM

Bev: Are you saying that Issa has reversed his stance from the televised debate last night?


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Subject: RE: BS: Urgent: California Catters
From: GUEST,pdc
Date: 03 Oct 03 - 01:46 PM

Isn't it funny how, in Republican eyes, Bill Clinton was a woman-chaser, a monster of infidelity, virtually a rapist, and not fit for public office? And now Schwarzenegger's behaviour doesn't unfit him for public office.

A little hypocrisy, anyone?


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Subject: RE: BS: Urgent: California Catters
From: wysiwyg
Date: 03 Oct 03 - 02:03 PM

"behind him...."

I don't think that abusiveness is ever really behind someone.... well, theoretically it is possible perhaps to do the work necessary to completely heal from the patterns that cause abuse, but IMO, in practical terms, it's like theoretical "recovery" from any addiction--- one can be a recovering abuser, but not a former abuser.

~Susan


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Subject: RE: BS: Urgent: California Catters
From: Midchuck
Date: 03 Oct 03 - 02:46 PM

I'm not in California, praise be, but if I were, I'd follow the advice of my political guru, Dave Barry, and vote for Ariana Huffington's cat, Puffington Huffington.

Peter.


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Subject: RE: BS: Urgent: California Catters
From: X
Date: 03 Oct 03 - 03:44 PM

I see where A.S. want's to take the money from the Native Americans to pay for CA's debt. First our country and now the rest of what little we have.


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Subject: RE: BS: Urgent: California Catters
From: Amos
Date: 03 Oct 03 - 03:56 PM

Wow - an idea only an Austrian could love!! LOL!!


A


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Subject: RE: BS: Urgent: California Catters
From: Bev and Jerry
Date: 03 Oct 03 - 04:20 PM

Heric:

When Issa put up the million, he was hoping to be Davis' replacement. Now that it's apparent that Arnold will be Davis' replacement if Davis is recalled, even Issa is supporting Davis and has been for about a week. We weren't aware of anything he said last night.

Bev and Jerry


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Subject: RE: BS: Urgent: California Catters
From: GUEST,heric
Date: 03 Oct 03 - 04:46 PM

"The debate got under way with opening statements from Darrell Issa, who spoke on behalf of the "Yes" on the recall movement, and Arrianna Huffington, who spoke for the opposing faction. "

http://www.nbc4.tv/politics/2438551/detail.html

That said, I see that Issa is reported to be "waffling," but with no specifics given:

http://www.ucsdguardian.org/cgi-bin/opinion?art=2003_10_02_01

I guess he's a footnote in history anyway. . . .


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Subject: RE: BS: Urgent: California Catters
From: Nerd
Date: 03 Oct 03 - 04:57 PM

No one ever said Clinton was "virtually a rapist" except for right wing blowhards and those out to make a buck from them.


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Subject: RE: BS: Urgent: California Catters
From: GUEST,heric
Date: 03 Oct 03 - 05:35 PM

why does MSN claim that yesterday's news of the Hitler transcript outtakes come as a complete shock to the ahnold campaign, one for which they were totally unprepared, when I distinctly recall this subject beiong discussed on mudcat at least a month ago?

http://www.msnbc.com/news/975591.asp?cp1=1


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Subject: RE: BS: Urgent: California Catters
From: michaelr
Date: 03 Oct 03 - 09:15 PM

Because they are counting on the voters' lack of memory...


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Subject: RE: BS: Urgent: California Catters
From: Melani
Date: 03 Oct 03 - 09:35 PM

OF COURSE I will vote against the recall. I don't really like the idea of the next governor being Conan the Barbarian. It's a shame Bustamonte can't use Arnold's first line from that movie in his campaign ads...Q: "What is the meaning of life?" Arnold: "To kill the enemy and make their women cry!"

It's going to be absolutely embarrasing to vote in this one...


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Subject: RE: BS: Urgent: California Catters
From: LadyJean
Date: 03 Oct 03 - 10:12 PM

The Republicans have spent a lot of time trying to convince the American voter that all politicians are crooks. Then they either don't vote, or they vote for someone like Jesse Ventura or Arnold the Barbarian.
The great thing about it is, that when Jesse messed up, he got to blame the bad old politicians for his mistakes.
Arnold will do the same thing when he puts California on the skids.
I'm working on the Howard Dean campaign because I honestly believe Dean can change the political scene. But I've given up trying to convince my friends.


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Subject: RE: BS: Urgent: California Catters
From: ard mhacha
Date: 04 Oct 03 - 06:04 AM

We seen TV footage of A.SS. on Channel 4 News [UK] last night and he was having a whale of a time assing about with various young ladies, he had bags of cheek, not his I may add.
Well what do you expect, he will make a fine US politician. Ard Mhacha.


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Subject: RE: BS: Urgent: California Catters
From: GUEST,pdc
Date: 04 Oct 03 - 12:47 PM

What is not being talked about, in the fuss about Arnold's sex life, is the fact that if he is elected, it will cost California NINE BILLION DOLLARS in lost payback money from Enron. California cannot afford to lose this money, and I wish this story was receiving more attention. Details at this site:

http://www.gregpalast.com/detail.cfm?artid=283&row=0


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Subject: RE: BS: Urgent: California Catters
From: GUEST,heric
Date: 04 Oct 03 - 02:13 PM

"You don't meet with America's most well-known corporate crook in the middle of California's biggest financial disaster and not remember," said FTCR's senior consumer advocate Douglas Heller.
http://www.consumerwatchdog.org/utilities/pr/pr003708.php3

EXACTLY!


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Subject: RE: BS: Urgent: California Catters
From: Ebbie
Date: 04 Oct 03 - 06:45 PM

Yahoo News: The Oakland Tribune withdrew its endorsement of Schwarzenegger on Saturday, saying the sexual harassment allegations indicate "a pattern of recurring abuse and boorish behavior that in different circumstances could have led to assault charges." Well put.


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Subject: RE: BS: Urgent: California Catters
From: pluck & bow
Date: 05 Oct 03 - 10:54 AM

This travisty, built and run by the sour grapes of the Republican Party, is costing California tax payers 69 million dollars for the recall. He refuses to debate, and the one "debate" he was involved in, he had a week to go over the questions ahead of time and rehearsed his answers. Once Arnold is in, he will pave the way for Bush In 2004. California is the worlds 5th largest ecomony, this man has never even been on a school board. It's a man with a huge ego and LOTS of strings in the background being pulled. You think Florida was something? You ain't seen nothing yet!

VOTE NO ON THE RE-CALL!


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Subject: RE: BS: Urgent: California Catters
From: Gypsy
Date: 05 Oct 03 - 11:29 PM

And then of course, when he "apologized" i believe the verbiage was: "I thought it was playful at the time. I now see the wrong." And to add insult to personal injury: After we were out of town for a gig this weekend, what was the first message on my answering machine? Almost flattened it! NO ON RECALL!!!!!!!!!!!! NO on musclebound idiots!


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Subject: RE: BS: Urgent: California Catters
From: Mudlark
Date: 06 Oct 03 - 03:38 AM

I read in the paper today that voter registration is up dramatically from where it was for the original election...and that it is largely Republican, which has shifted the balance of Calif. voters seriously to the right. I can't believe we're going to have to listen to this guy until 2006...I don't have to watch his movies, but having him for my governor is not so easy to ignore. What the hell are people thinking??? No on recall!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Urgent: California Catters
From: ard mhacha
Date: 06 Oct 03 - 08:41 AM

What the Hell are people thinking?,. Indeed Mudlark, are the people in California really going to go for another brain-dead film star?.Ard Mhacha.


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Subject: RE: BS: Urgent: California Catters
From: wysiwyg
Date: 06 Oct 03 - 01:57 PM

From Court TV's Lisa Bloom:

Arnold Schwarzenegger makes me sick.

He's accused by three women of grabbing their breasts. In one case he allegedly reached up under a woman's loose-fitting T-shirt and groped her bare breast. In another, he allegedly squeezed an acquaintance's breast, and laughed at her tears that followed. He's accused of cornering a co-worker in a hotel elevator several times and trying to yank her robe off. He's said to have made the crudest remarks about the sexual acts he would like to perform on female co-workers. The most recent incident happened in 2000.

Did he do it? First his campaign denied the claims, effectively calling the women liars. Then Arnold admitted to "bad behavior" and apologized, saying he'd been on "rowdy movie sets" and was being flirtatious. (Of course, he didn't say which "bad behavior" he was admitting to. A rich guy with lawyers and PR agents would never do that.) Later in the day he backtracked to the mealy mouthed, "If I've done anything to offend anyone, I'm sorry" copout. He also said some of the stories were not true.

... The victims' stories are credible because they'd told them before he ran for governor, they've remained consistent, and they have not sought anything for their stories. The Los Angeles Times, not any political camp, simply followed up a few old stories and reconfirmed what many already knew. The Arnold campaign's flip-flops and admission to bad behavior only reinforce the credibility of the reports.

... I'm sick because I know that most people will buy his "rowdy" and "flirtatious" deflections and ignore the seriousness of these claims. "Rowdy?" Hardly. Rowdy is drinking too much beer and singing loudly and off-key at a ball game. Maybe cursing out the umpire. Flirtatious? Are you insane? Flirting is smiling at an attractive woman and complimenting her looks, giving her a wink. Sticking your hands up a stranger's skirt, grabbing a woman's breasts - that's a criminal sexual assault.

... I believe Arnold when he says he doesn't remember some of these incidents. Why would he remember? Grabbing a woman's breasts or buttocks, yanking off her clothing in an elevator, meant nothing to him. I believe the women who remember the incidents, because these events loom large to us. We replay them in our minds over and over again, trying to figure out what we should have done, fantasizing revenge scenarios, cursing the fact that we were caught off guard and didn't think quickly enough at the time. We tell our friends and spouses and agree the safest course is not to report.

Arnold, if you did not understand that being a rich movie star did not entitle you to proposition, grab and humiliate women, then you need to have less power now, not more.


~S~


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Subject: RE: BS: Urgent: California Catters
From: GUEST,pdc
Date: 06 Oct 03 - 02:07 PM

I have a friend in LA, who works in the archives for the film industry. This makes her a fringe member in the industry, but she knows a ton of people and hears all the gossip. When Schwarzenegger first put his name up for governor, I called her, and she said "wait till people start hearing about some of the things he's done."

According to her, both Arnie's treatment of women generally and his wife specifically have been an open secret for years. The man evidently believes that women do not exist beyond their physical aspect, and that because he is a man, that physical aspect is his to act on whenever he wishes. He has been overheard telling other men that they should just grab whatever they want, because "that's what the bitches are for."


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