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Subject: RE: BS: Witches! Good and Bad?
From: Bert
Date: 27 Jul 03 - 02:03 AM

CapriUni, Wot you again. It's a good job I'm happily married or I'd be after you. ;-)

I just love weeds - sorry wild flowers. Dandelions (pissabeds) are my favourites.


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Subject: RE: BS: Witches! Good and Bad?
From: Bert
Date: 27 Jul 03 - 02:06 AM

Hey Garg ol' buddy, how're ya doin?

If yer ain't got the balls to call Max and fix you're membership, drop me a line at alberthansell@yahoo.com


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Subject: RE: BS: Witches! Good and Bad?
From: JennyO
Date: 27 Jul 03 - 03:47 AM

CatsPHiddle has said it well. A witch's intent generally is to do good, for other beings and for the healing of the planet - "Do as you will but harm none".

I personally believe that everything is alive in some way, that we are all part of the whole of what is, and therefore connected, and so I try to treat all things and beings with respect, as whatever I harm will in some way harm me. We (witches) have a generally accepted idea that whatever harm we do will return to us "three times three" - like the law of karma - so it is obviously not in our own interest to do harm or wish harm on anybody.

The idea of good witches or bad witches in this context is obviously not relevant. If an misguided individual is trying to use their power to effect change in a harmful way, or to have power over other people, they are missing the point, and will not do well themselves.

The devil as such has no place in this view, either. There is simply what is, which we are a part of, and any of us has the potential to tap into this collective energy, and use it for good or harm. Since I believe that whatever I do to others I do to myself, I choose to do good. Of course, I don't always get it right, because I am only human, but the intent is there.

Coming as I did from a strict Methodist family, I hated the feeling I was given that being a human being with faults meant I was a sinner and needed to be "saved", and God was some sort of stern father figure "up there" (unfortunately that is often the impression given in so-called Christian churches). I felt very disconnected for a long time, when I was growing up.

I never bought into the sinner idea at all however, in spite of my years of conditioning, and I always felt a strong connection with nature, so I was delighted to discover paganism and modern Wicca many years later. It just gave what I already felt was true, a name. I like it because it is not judgmental. The only laws are the laws of nature - the laws of cause and effect. That is probably why it all seems so diverse and disorganized to non-pagans. We are not into telling people what to do.

Since then I have discovered in many ways just how much of a difference one can make with the right intent - just look at the collective healing powers of Mudcatters when they put their minds to it!

There is a lot more, but that's a start.


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Subject: RE: BS: Witches! Good and Bad?
From: CapriUni
Date: 27 Jul 03 - 09:13 AM

Bert: I just love weeds - sorry wild flowers. Dandelions (pissabeds) are my favourites.

Yay!! We should start a Dandelion brigage (Or I could at least start a Dandelion Thread)!

Gargoyle: ....a spinner of tales and promises is an invalid to some...and lier to others.

And a healer and bringer of joy to still others.

Ann ~ Despiser of herbicides and golf course lawns, and proud spinner (and listener) of tales.


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Subject: RE: BS: Witches! Good and Bad?
From: katlaughing
Date: 27 Jul 03 - 10:26 AM

Thanks, CU and Bert! I love dandelions, too. Used to make tincture from them. Our neighbours used to call our house "Dandelion Row."

Bert, fwiw, the membership is fixed and available; apparently the choice is not to use it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Witches! Good and Bad?
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 28 Jul 03 - 12:08 AM

An awful (root AWE - FULL - full of awe) lot of things in your life Linx-Ludicrous.... are in the used to make/do

Are you lacking the time, the dandelions, the motivation - or was it REALLY not THAT good the first time?

Eagarly waiting your reply...

Sincerely,
Gargoyle


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Subject: RE: BS: Witches! Good and Bad?
From: Sorcha
Date: 28 Jul 03 - 12:12 AM

Too bad Abby decided to check out of this thread. She finally got some answers. Oh well.


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Subject: RE: BS: Witches! Good and Bad?
From: CapriUni
Date: 28 Jul 03 - 12:25 AM

Too bad Abby decided to check out of this thread.

Well, maybe she's lurking....   Hmmm... Should someone PM her?


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Subject: RE: BS: Witches! Good and Bad?
From: Amergin
Date: 28 Jul 03 - 12:28 AM

"Wicca and other forms of paganism are just a lot more up to the individual than formal, mainstream organized religions. Nobody tells us what we have to do, believe, what rituals are acceptable, etc. A lot of it it nature and female oriented."

Unfortunately, Sorchadear, that is not exactly true...I know plenty of folks who have had the rede shoved in there face, telling them they have done wrong...just like I knoe plenty of Christains who have had the bible shoved in their face....

Luckily there is no good...nor is there any evil....also I guess it is just as well that I have no religion to cling to....not even atheism...


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Subject: RE: BS: Witches! Good and Bad?
From: Amergin
Date: 28 Jul 03 - 12:32 AM

as for abby...she was just trying to cause trouble...


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Subject: RE: BS: Witches! Good and Bad?
From: Hrothgar
Date: 28 Jul 03 - 04:39 AM

I can't tell which is which ......


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Subject: RE: BS: Witches! Good and Bad?
From: GUEST,Bryn
Date: 28 Jul 03 - 07:08 AM

Witches fall into several categories.
1) Those who are practising something handed down through their family (this does exist).
2) Wicans, who really speaking are slightly different and follow a path of witchcraft laid out in the early twentieth century by gerald Gardner or Alex Sanders.
3) Wicca inspired witches, who follow the principles of Sanders and/or Gardiner but who have not been initiated into a coven in this tradition.

yes, many witches do work in groups that they call covens. Many also work alone. there are few hard and fast defenitions I'm afraid, for every witch there's a slightly different way of doing and being it.

It might be helpful to add that for many, Wicca or witchcraft is considered to be a path within Paganism, which also includes Druidry, Heathenry, Shamanism and the like. Generally speaking these are beliefs and practises derived from the ancient nature religions of the world. Pagans are no more good or evil than anyone else when you get down to it - its a set of philosophies, for some there's significant festivals.For some its about a very positive ethos of self discovery within a repsonsible context, for some it is intensely ecological, for some its jsut about personal growth. Some perform rituals, some don't, some explore the way in which will acts upon relaity (call it magic, call it prayer, call it positive thinknig, as you see fit.)

Many Pagan groups online spend long hours trying to come up with working defenitions of what these terms mean, I don't think we are going to achieve much on a list where a significant number of posters have no knowledge or expereince of the subject.

Unfortunatly, what you tend to see in the press and in public are the few more eccentric types who like to get in front of the cameras, and this, as with most communities, is seldom a good illustration of the whole. I would recomend that anyone genuinely interested in further information pays a visit to www.paganfederation.org


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Subject: RE: BS: Witches! Good and Bad?
From: Alba
Date: 28 Jul 03 - 07:52 AM

Nice choices on the Music thread too Bryn. Blessed Be.

Kat, I use Dandelions in Salads and to make Tea and Wine, although I haven't made Wine for a few years now. The tincture you make, can it be used in the Bath as a relief for Rheumatics?
As for the term Non-Gardener, that's quite a good description of someone that does not try control Nature but who Harvests Her Bounty. I like that:>)
Ah but Spinners of Tales, were would I be without the Folk's with that particular Gift. Were it not for them I would only be able to stretch my Mind as far as I could take it, Word Weavers take those thoughts of mine and expand them and more often than not They open my eyes to the things I had never dreamed of. A truly Magical Gift.
There's a song in that name "Dandelion Row" though!:>)
JD


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Subject: RE: BS: Witches! Good and Bad?
From: harpgirl
Date: 28 Jul 03 - 08:16 AM

...back from walking the beaver dam and soaking in whitey's spring. Glad you all decided to share what you know about the many aspects of "witchery." love, harpgirl


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Subject: RE: BS: Witches! Good and Bad?
From: Green Man
Date: 28 Jul 03 - 09:27 AM

My Wife is a Wiccan, I just don't hold with the rule of three. I see it in the same light as all of the 'thou shalt not's' contained in the dogma of another well known religion.

Witches come in all shades and sizes, I have known some malevolent ones, however it is written 'beat those arond you with a stick and some one will beat you with a stick' here is the rule of three simplified.

I know some very 'good' witches, and they're just ordinary people getting by and helping others in their own way.

Who is to say that because the old religion predates the better advertised ones that it contains any more truth?

This I think is a question that, when you find the answer to we will see you on May hill at dawn dancing in the summer or at one of the other seasonal festivals or rituals.


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Subject: RE: BS: Witches! Good and Bad?
From: GUEST,Mathew Hopkins
Date: 28 Jul 03 - 11:29 AM

Burn em, burn all !!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Witches! Good and Bad?
From: GUEST,Mathew Hopkins
Date: 28 Jul 03 - 12:15 PM

Or Drown em.
Drownings good.


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Subject: RE: BS: Witches! Good and Bad?
From: GUEST,bryn
Date: 29 Jul 03 - 05:02 AM

Matthew Hopkins - you aren't the Matthew Hopkins I went to school with are you (some parents are cruel!)or are you the man himself re-incarnated - you realise of course that if you are claiming to be the reincarnation of MH, you probably ought to start by hanging/burning/drowning yourself for blatantly being the devils handywork? :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Witches! Good and Bad?
From: GUEST,Green Man
Date: 29 Jul 03 - 05:50 AM

Is that the Mathew Hopkins who USED the Hammer of Witches

The same torture manual that the current pope apologised for.?

I always thought Vincent Price did hime really well.


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Subject: RE: BS: Witches! Good and Bad?
From: Micca
Date: 29 Jul 03 - 07:49 AM

hg and others,this may help to clarify at least one of the questions above about Wicca Try here


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Subject: RE: BS: Witches! Good and Bad?
From: GUEST,Mathew Hopkins
Date: 29 Jul 03 - 08:00 AM

Thank you brother for reporting that nest of satanic evildoers.
Even the colonies have succumbed to the Devils temptations.
Nathaniel!!
Saddle my horse.


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Subject: RE: BS: Witches! Good and Bad?
From: Amos
Date: 29 Jul 03 - 03:24 PM

That shaggy old bugger named Micca
Retired as a horse-apple pickah,
And now spends his time
Dispensing weak rhyme
And historical tracts about Wicca!

A


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Subject: RE: BS: Witches! Good and Bad?
From: Micca
Date: 29 Jul 03 - 03:31 PM

That Grizzled old bugger called Amos
tracks songs like an old fashioned Shamus
while sat on his pooter
close by his Computer
and drinking iced tea from a Thermos


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Subject: RE: BS: Witches! Good and Bad?
From: Micca
Date: 29 Jul 03 - 03:36 PM

Wiccan talk we don't want to inhibit
From websites and books one can crib it
But Amos replied
"It comes from inside"
and the rest of his message read………." Ribbit"


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Subject: RE: BS: Witches! Good and Bad?
From: Amos
Date: 29 Jul 03 - 03:47 PM

'ere, 'ere -- d'ye take me for some sort of Frog?? (No, no -- really--try it!! I really AM a prince!! You'll see....)...LOL!!

A


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Subject: RE: BS: Witches! Good and Bad?
From: Catherine Jayne
Date: 29 Jul 03 - 04:45 PM

Amos my dear.....could this Witch kiss the frog!!! LOL!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Witches! Good and Bad?
From: LadyJean
Date: 30 Jul 03 - 01:05 AM

Some of my best friends are witches. They are very nice, very sensible people. My problem with Wicca is that so many of them are such amazing flakes. If someone is planning on going to a Wiccan gathering, I always warn them to be careful of bad checks and late night phone calls.
My sister, who is Wiccan attended a gathering lead by a male with a stomach "large enough to be introduced by name". He was wearing a small length of plaid fabric.   She had a hard time keeping a straight face. No one ever talks about the silly side of Wicca. I rather wish they would.


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Subject: RE: BS: Witches! Good and Bad?
From: GUEST,Gereg
Date: 30 Jul 03 - 04:28 PM

It seems as though this ought to have been posted here rather than on the "music" discussion.

...So okay, I've read quite a few of the messages now, and I have to say - both to those who term themselves witches and to those who insist that nobody today is a witch - the following: the use of the term 'witch' by modern Goddess-worshippers doesn't, in all probability, bear much resemblance to its use historically. We simply don't have reliable records to support or refute the idea definitely (although the records we do have tend to refute more than support the current usage by modern pagans). But it's a fairly harmless instance of reclaiming an ugly old term, just as hippies took to calling themselves 'freaks' in the late '60s. To those who want to insist that modern pagans aren't real witches, I'd like to point out that Yeshua (usually called 'Jesus') would likely have a bit of trouble recognising the religious practises of most of the people today calling themselves Christians. Like most swords, that business can cut both ways. Just for example, Yeshua is said to have enjoined his followers not to judge others... and it seems to me I've noticed a fair bit of judgemental language in this thread. On both sides of the pentagram, I might add.

And to add a bit of my own judgement to the mix, it particularly seems to me that this Clinton Hammond fellow ought to submit his own religious beliefs for the mockery to which he has subjected the beliefs of others. A disagreement with another's beliefs, or even with their terminology, does not justify this kind of abuse. What kind of fantasies do your beliefs consist of, Clinton?


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Subject: RE: BS: Witches! Good and Bad?
From: hesperis
Date: 30 Jul 03 - 05:04 PM

lol, cat, I was about to say something similar to Amos!

LadyJean - yeah, the best part of ritual is the stuff that goes wrong... I hit my wand on the ceiling more than once in my teensy basement apartment! Once I was doing a healing ritual with a friend, and we BOTH hit our wands on the ceiling at the same time. We both burst out laughing... Then there was the one time I knocked a candle over as I was trying to extinguish it, and it extinguished itself on the way down, merely leaving a tiny blob of wax on the carpet. (Funny thing was, those spells worked better than anything that went off perfectly. All that laughing probably made it work better!)


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Subject: RE: BS: Witches! Good and Bad?
From: Bert
Date: 30 Jul 03 - 05:24 PM

That is a good link Micca, They seem to be nice people don't they.

LadyJean you say... 'so many of them are such amazing flakes.' That makes them sound like Mudcatters to me.

And Hesperis, you're right, laughter is a powerful healer.


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Subject: RE: BS: Witches! Good and Bad?
From: artbrooks
Date: 30 Jul 03 - 05:49 PM

Beware of Micca and Amos,
Their knowledge of witches is in-famous.
But perhaps they had oughter,
Read more Harry Potter,
Then their erudition will shame us!


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Subject: RE: BS: Witches! Good and Bad?
From: Pied Piper
Date: 31 Jul 03 - 05:59 AM

The loin the Wicca and the Weird robe?
PP


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Subject: RE: BS: Witches! Good and Bad?
From: Micca
Date: 31 Jul 03 - 08:59 AM

Well, art, Harry Potter and Buffy
"While we hope that we don't appear to be stuffy"
Are fiction and Thus
Are not worth a Cuss
making Wicca for Bunnys that're Fluffy

And Wicca is NOT Fluffy Bunny
Nor to be exploited for money
Some ones of the Craft
Like to appear daft
Its just their strange way of being "Funny"

Their approach to their spirituality
Is guided by a stricter morality
The Rede and the Rules
Guides both wise and fools
And effects of result and causality

Outside views they don't mean a lot
Considerably less than a Jot
If asked to arrange
A light bulb to change
Your witch will reply " Into What???"


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Subject: RE: BS: Witches! Good and Bad?
From: katlaughing
Date: 31 Jul 03 - 10:29 AM

BRAVO, Micca!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Witches! Good and Bad?
From: Amos
Date: 31 Jul 03 - 10:44 AM

Harpgirl:

I assume "walking the beaver dam" is some sort of slang for a personal commitment to abstinence?

A


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Subject: RE: BS: Witches! Good and Bad?
From: harpgirl
Date: 31 Jul 03 - 12:23 PM

No Amos. I meant walking on top of a beaver dam. It's a bit tricky and is muddy and slippery! We drain the pond during the day so it doesn't flood any more trees and Bucky comes at night and patches it up. Bucky is winning. But when the aligator gets bigger Bucky will probably disappear.

But your idea is a clever one, as usual!


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Subject: RE: BS: Witches! Good and Bad?
From: harpgirl
Date: 31 Jul 03 - 12:33 PM

This is for Gereg, who might be new to our community.

Clinton is as Clinton is. We know him and like him for his irreverance and generally poking fun at anything we take seriously. We are all pretty predictable. I am known for stirring up trouble! I like dialectics! I'm also known for disliking organized religion. I do attend Episcopal church, however. I give my money to the single mother fund at St. Marks in PBG. I suppose if the Wiccans convinced me they needed money for a good cause, I might give them some!

We do have a lot of self-proclaimed witches, just none that admit to being bad or doing black magic! I liked your remarks, by the way.

Of course, the real secret here is that I got rambunctious just to provide Rick Fielding with an amusing distraction since he didn't want any polaroids! hahahah Love, harpgirl


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Subject: RE: BS: Witches! Good and Bad?
From: GUEST,Bryn
Date: 01 Aug 03 - 04:46 AM

More observations. Harpgirl, rare is the pagan who views what they do as 'bad' - and its hard to define. Is bad selfish? Peiple re selfish. Most pagans I know tend to try and act for the good of all where tey can and few managed it cos we're just as flawed as anyone else. That said, do know of some pagans who will happily admit to walking the darker paths. The thing is this - pagans don't see the dark half of the wheel - death, decay, destruction etc as inehrrently evil - they are necessary to life, we honour them and when needs be, we invoke them. Part of the problem with the questions you are asking is that they use terms that make no sense in the context. Pagans don't tend to describe themselves as good or bad (only the daft ones). If the question is 'are there pagans who use magic purely to be evil?' I think the answer is no, you don't get disney style villans, you do get self interested individuals whose motives might not be as pure as the driven snow, but that's people for you. I can tell you now that your chances of getting any Pagan to post specifically about their beleifs and practises are small, I know I have no intention of telling you what I do in that vein, and I would be very surprised if anyone else Pagan on this list would be inclined to go into detail - it's not ebcause we're necessarily doing anything you might find disturbing, it is mroe that these are private and intimate thnigs, not to be shared casually.

As for why we don't talk about the silly side of wicca - it goes like this. All the people who are serious about what they do, who study arcane knowledge and work hard at their rituals etc find that sort of thing deeply embarassing. All the people who like running round in public in robes, pretending to be Klingons, cursing Harry potter, wearing robes that look like dressing gowns and nighties, giving themselve insane titles etc have never considered the possibility that they might in fact be rather silly, so they don't tend to talk about it either. But if we want to name and shame, can I sugegst visiting the website of Kevin Carlyon, the living incarnation of 'the silly side of Wicca' - a websearch for his anme will provide.


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Subject: RE: BS: Witches! Good and Bad?
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Aug 03 - 11:10 AM

Although I don't consider myself pagan or Wiccan or Klingon, I do know that many pagans and non-pagans alike appreciate the writings of Starhawk, who has made quite a serious attempt at legitimizing her profession. I can't quite remember which profession she professes to be practicing--wiccan priestess, goddess priestess or something along those lines I think. Someone here will undoubtedly know what profession she claims and works to educate people about. She is also a fairly well known California political activist, although I have no idea how other political activists view her in terms of competency and effectiveness as an activist.


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Subject: RE: BS: Witches! Good and Bad?
From: Nemesis
Date: 01 Aug 03 - 02:01 PM

Anyone in Sussex area on first Friday of September

"Walking the Witch" are playing, with Joe Bazouki of the Missing Puddings fame ...


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Subject: RE: BS: Witches! Good and Bad?
From: Amergin
Date: 01 Aug 03 - 02:46 PM

there is no black and white, HG....there is nor good or evil....


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Subject: RE: BS: Witches! Good and Bad?
From: Ebbie
Date: 01 Aug 03 - 02:54 PM

When I see the pictures, I think a harpy is scarier than a witch.


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Subject: RE: BS: Witches! Good and Bad?
From: Dipsodeb
Date: 02 Aug 03 - 06:00 AM

whereabouts in Sussex?, excellent band.
Nothing to do with witches though apart from the name, they got it from a Kate bush song....


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Subject: RE: BS: Witches! Good and Bad?
From: Nemesis
Date: 10 Aug 03 - 07:05 PM

Hi Dipsodeb .. it's in Worthing .. thanks for the info on the name .. they've sent me all the biog blurb and not mentioned how they got the name!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Witches! Good and Bad?
From: Peg
Date: 10 Aug 03 - 11:37 PM

The idea of "good" or "bad" seems to me to refer to behavior or actions. Modern witches (some refer to themselves as neo-pagans or Wiccans) generally speaking   are as morally upright as anyone else. Codes of conduct regarding magical use are usually more strict   and proscribed than, say, those of Christians who liberally "pray" for others (which is what magic amounts to in many instances.

There is some knee-jerk adherence to "the Wiccan Rede" (An it harm   none, do what ye will; Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law; love is the law, love under will--all this is paraphrased from Crowley) but if one were to ask a modern satanist about their moral code it would sound remarkably similar. But then, what actual satanists do, as opposed to what the Hollywood or media version suggests, is not familiar to the average layperson (who also might think anyone referring to themselves as a Witch in this day and age might as well be playing Dungeons and Dragons or other fantasy games 24-7).

Witchcraft and paganism, in the contemporary sense, are ways of describing a belief system and lifestyle. Some call it religion. It is diverse and often eclectic. Some practice alone, some in groups. Some worship gods and goddesses, others don't. Some revere nature as sacred; some are just as happy never to be outdoors among dirt and yucky bugs. Some do spells and magic and ritual; others don't. What seems important to remember is that it is a fast-growing movement; that few people who become witches or pagans move on to other spiritual paths; that interest in paganisms and earth-based spirituality are the result of a shift in paradigm (male to female, some say) that honors nature and cooperation and peace over industry and plunder and annihilation. Contemporary paganism has gone from being a fringe diversion to a legally-recognized religion that is increasingly studied in academic contexts for its   sociological, spiritual and other implications.

Blessed be.


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Subject: RE: BS: Witches! Good and Bad?
From: GUEST,Mystie012
Date: 12 Oct 09 - 07:11 PM

Hollywood has done so much damage to the image of the beautiful Wiccans. Generations of children have grown up believing that witches are ugly old people when the exact opposite is true. They are beautiful, healthy women of Nature.
Why do we even have to ask if witches are good or bad? Hollywood. And vilification by the patriachal christian church with their evil inquisitors.
A more accurate subject would be "Priests! Good and Bad"?


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Subject: RE: BS: Witches! Good and Bad?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 12 Oct 09 - 07:14 PM

Show me a good one.


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Subject: RE: BS: Witches! Good and Bad?
From: kendall
Date: 12 Oct 09 - 07:44 PM

Witches got a bad rap from the Catholic church which didn't like the competition.
I know some witches and they are decent folks.


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Subject: RE: BS: Witches! Good and Bad?
From: number 6
Date: 12 Oct 09 - 09:46 PM

Richard Bridge asks ... "show me a good one"

here's a good witch

biLL


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Subject: RE: BS: Witches! Good and Bad?
From: Janie
Date: 12 Oct 09 - 10:47 PM

And another good witch fer ya.


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