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Lending instruments especially in Pubs

Tyke 27 May 03 - 04:30 PM
GUEST,Deskjet 27 May 03 - 05:24 PM
UB Ed 27 May 03 - 06:01 PM
GUEST,Sorcha 27 May 03 - 06:14 PM
Bee-dubya-ell 27 May 03 - 06:21 PM
Rich(bodhránai gan ciall) 27 May 03 - 06:56 PM
Ely 27 May 03 - 07:02 PM
GUEST,DaveK 27 May 03 - 07:03 PM
Sandy Mc Lean 27 May 03 - 07:54 PM
smallpiper 27 May 03 - 08:18 PM
Ebbie 27 May 03 - 09:18 PM
Mooh 27 May 03 - 09:37 PM
Little Hawk 27 May 03 - 09:49 PM
Joe Offer 27 May 03 - 09:49 PM
Roger the Skiffler 28 May 03 - 03:35 AM
IanC 28 May 03 - 03:50 AM
Steve Parkes 28 May 03 - 05:29 AM
Dead Horse 28 May 03 - 09:30 AM
GUEST 28 May 03 - 09:39 AM
JedMarum 28 May 03 - 09:51 AM
JedMarum 28 May 03 - 09:53 AM
Willie-O 28 May 03 - 10:00 AM
Willie-O 28 May 03 - 10:50 AM
GUEST,Les B. 28 May 03 - 12:09 PM
C-flat 28 May 03 - 01:35 PM
Willie-O 28 May 03 - 01:56 PM
Tyke 28 May 03 - 02:58 PM
GUEST,Egal 28 May 03 - 03:29 PM
curmudgeon 28 May 03 - 03:56 PM
GUEST,Egal 28 May 03 - 04:02 PM
curmudgeon 28 May 03 - 04:12 PM
Clinton Hammond 28 May 03 - 04:16 PM
GUEST,Egal 28 May 03 - 04:20 PM
Dead Horse 28 May 03 - 05:06 PM
Raggytash 28 May 03 - 07:06 PM
curmudgeon 28 May 03 - 07:20 PM
Tyke 28 May 03 - 10:00 PM
GUEST,.gargoyle 29 May 03 - 12:32 AM
GUEST,.gargoyle 29 May 03 - 12:37 AM
GUEST,sorefingers 29 May 03 - 12:53 AM
Steve Parkes 29 May 03 - 03:20 AM
Hamish 29 May 03 - 03:41 AM
Liz the Squeak 29 May 03 - 05:14 AM
Steve Parkes 29 May 03 - 05:18 AM
Tyke 29 May 03 - 03:52 PM
Raggytash 29 May 03 - 07:11 PM
JedMarum 29 May 03 - 07:27 PM
Tyke 29 May 03 - 07:42 PM
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Subject: BS: Lending instruments especially in Pubs
From: Tyke
Date: 27 May 03 - 04:30 PM

Ok so I am a bit protective when it comes to my Guitar. I started to worry that it was just me! I learned to play in DADGAD to put people off without causing offence. But that didn't work! I have tried many different approaches to try and explain why lending my guitar out makes me nervous! Whether it's a flat NO! Or a look it's not just you but the rest of the pub who for whatever reason might then wants to borrow it. I've tried everything polite or not some people take offence.

Why don't they understand? OK even if, which is more probable than not, they can play the Guitar better than me! Even if listening to it being played by an experienced player gives me some solace. I still don't like lending out my Guitar! It's part of me! I dust it service it changes its string for new ones carry it with me where ever I go.

My Gurian is irreplaceable even if they were still being made and it's Brazilian Rosewood still being harvested. Even if the Star ship flew down and produced one out of one of its replicaters it would just not be the same. I've tried every thing to stop people asking I've even printed out as pamphlet all about Gurian Guitars in an attempt to explain it.

Please help me with some suggestions on how to put people off asking. How many others feel the same about their instruments? Am I just highly strung or is it my guitar?

PS.
To make matters worse I've been out and bought another Guitar! The idea was that I would not be as worried about the new one. But unfortunately I'm stating a new love affair with this new guitar, which is defeats, the object of the exercise. I'm not saying I never want anyone else to play one of my guitars I just want to be able to choose who where and when.


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Subject: RE: BS: Lending instruments especially in Pubs
From: GUEST,Deskjet
Date: 27 May 03 - 05:24 PM

Very dodgy all right. Once you are in a pub it's always likely to happen; a couple of pints and they think they're Jose Feliciano. You get it back and the top looks like a pack of cats had just been fighting on it; and this after you re-arranging your playing style over the years to avoid just that, and going easy on the sauce in case you become careless.They say thank you and carry on drinking, oblivious to the damage to your guitar and the annihilation of your sensibility. A guitar is just a guitar,right?
As politely as you can, say no.


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Subject: RE: BS: Lending instruments especially in Pubs
From: UB Ed
Date: 27 May 03 - 06:01 PM

Not unless I know the person will care for my instrument beforehand. I let them know I can't take a chance with my baby and, as a musician, they will surely understand. After that they get a smile, a raised eybrow and a gently shaking of my head.


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Subject: RE: BS: Lending instruments especially in Pubs
From: GUEST,Sorcha
Date: 27 May 03 - 06:14 PM

Can't say as I blame you. IF I know the person, IF I know they are sober, and IF I know they can play, I SOMETIMES do. BUT, I don't let them get more than 2 feet away from me and stop them if they get crazy.


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Subject: RE: BS: Lending instruments especially in Pubs
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 27 May 03 - 06:21 PM

I own several guitars, but I generally take my J-45 Gibson to our weekly session. It's not the best guitar I own, but it's good enough for what I need at a pub session. I bought it used with some scratches and finish cracks so I don't mind if other people play it. I won't let an obvious drunk play it, but I doubt one more scratch is gong to hurt it. I'm a little more particular about who I'll pass my Martin D-28 to and I can count the people who've played my Santa Cruz OM on one hand.

Bruce


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Subject: RE: BS: Lending instruments especially in Pubs
From: Rich(bodhránai gan ciall)
Date: 27 May 03 - 06:56 PM

I have to ask what's this joker doing at a session, jam, open stage... whatever without an instrument? Being a percussionist I'm even more likely to be approached by some would-be-musician who thinks that holding a drum in his hands will automatically convey the ability to play it. I can count on my fingers how many people to whom I've lent my bodhrán, bones, doumbek, riq, etc. All musicians I had enough respect for and trust in.

RIch


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Subject: RE: BS: Lending instruments especially in Pubs
From: Ely
Date: 27 May 03 - 07:02 PM

If you can stand it, get a guitar that you're not in love with. My "baby" is an older Guild that you'd have to pry from my cold, dead fingers. So, I got a cheap Alvarez--it still sounds and plays OK but if you sit on it, I won't have to kill you. Also, it LOOKS cheap--no frills, no trim--so nobody is ever itching to play it just for the sake of touching it. I know that sounds perverted, but a friend of mine once had a gorgeous old Fender and everyone was always bugging him to lend it out just because they wanted to say they'd played this wonderful guitar.

Failing that, I just tell them "no", unless it's someone I know & trust and they're mostly sober. Ditto for the lap dulcimers, which really are irreplaceable since their builder has retired--I can only think of one or two people I'd let play them. (On the flip side, I would never ask somebody if I could borrow their instrument unless they knew me very well and knew I would treat it with care.)


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Subject: RE: BS: Lending instruments especially in Pubs
From: GUEST,DaveK
Date: 27 May 03 - 07:03 PM

And I thought I was the only one. Some years ago I used to play in a pub every Sunday night as an offshoot of our folkclub. The last straw was when I saw my precious Yamaha FG300 being handed over to someone whilst I was at the bar without a thought of asking if it was okay. I moaned so much that the club organiser nearly went out and got a spare club guitar for 'those without' to play.
Since that time I have various guitars. Most I do not take out unless I am playing a personal gig. ( And I make it known that I do not 'borrow' these guitars. My old battered Yamaha FG 401 gets taken out to the pub sessions and whilst it has become personal to me I don't mind it being played by someone who has turned up on the night by chance.
I like the DADGAD idea but I have seen so many strangers try to play an out of tune guitar during the course of an evenings drinking that it probably would not make much difference.
I suppose the polite 'no' is best - then wait and see.


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Subject: RE: BS: Lending instruments especially in Pubs
From: Sandy Mc Lean
Date: 27 May 03 - 07:54 PM

I enjoy hearing one of my guitars been played by someone other than myself, but then again I don't own a D-45 or a Hummingbird. If I had one of those I would be protective as hell.
To ask someone to borrow their guitar is sometimes like asking to borrow their wife. :-}


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Subject: RE: BS: Lending instruments especially in Pubs
From: smallpiper
Date: 27 May 03 - 08:18 PM

The answer is always NO (with my pipes that is)with the exception of a very close friend and the guy who made them. Fiddle, a yes to people I know will respect it and whistles to anyone who can play - I don't really care about them. And I would never be offended if (on the rare occasion I asked) some one refused me the loan of an instrument.


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Subject: RE: BS: Lending instruments especially in Pubs
From: Ebbie
Date: 27 May 03 - 09:18 PM

I do sometimes lend mine- but only when I'm right there. And at the first hint of carelessness on their part, I take it back. You wouldn't believe how many people will lean their (your! guitar against a chair seat. Grrrrrrrrrrrr.

A friend of mine says that he just asks, Got the money to replace it?

On the other hand, I do like to hear my guitar's voice when someone good plays it. Makes me dang proud.


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Subject: RE: BS: Lending instruments especially in Pubs
From: Mooh
Date: 27 May 03 - 09:37 PM

Generally the answer is a good firm but polite "No". I too have heard my guitars played by stellar players but they're in the minority. If someone is offended and considers me a prick then so be it. I will hand my guitar to a trusted player, but even one of my closest friends is so clumsy I won't trust him with it.

Most often the culprit is alcohol, crowdedness, roudiness, but I don't take any chances outside of my own home.

Peace, Mooh.


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Subject: RE: Lending instruments especially in Pubs
From: Little Hawk
Date: 27 May 03 - 09:49 PM

The answer is "No", firmly and politely, and best with a smile.

Since alcohol is normally the main problem, I have solved it by very seldom, if ever, playing in places devoted to drinking. Of course, I don't try to make a living by playing music...and it's partly because of the places in which I would have to play if I did. I detest bars.

- LH


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Subject: RE: Lending instruments especially in Pubs
From: Joe Offer
Date: 27 May 03 - 09:49 PM

Last summer, Micca took me to a session somewhere near his home in London. Dave Bryant and some other Mudcatters were there - and there was a very drunk man at the bar who kept requesting dumb songs. When we took a break, he came up and borrowed a beautiful guitar - I think it was Dave's - and he promptly banged it into something. It sounded like the guitar was going to break, but it didn't seem to be damaged. It scared the hell out of me, because it was such a beautiful instrument.

I suppose it's nice to be generous, but I think it's unwise to lend your guitar to a drunk. But I have to say that the guitar owner handleed it very graciously. I don't know that I could have been so calm. Like I say, I think it was Dave who was so generous and then so forgiving, but I could be mistaken. He's a better man than I am - but I pity his guitar.

-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Lending instruments especially in Pubs
From: Roger the Skiffler
Date: 28 May 03 - 03:35 AM

Funny, no-one ever asks to borrow my kazoo - except to offer to tune it with a lump hammer...

RtS


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Subject: RE: Lending instruments especially in Pubs
From: IanC
Date: 28 May 03 - 03:50 AM

Nobody ever seems to want to borrow my melodeon either.

;-)


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Subject: RE: Lending instruments especially in Pubs
From: Steve Parkes
Date: 28 May 03 - 05:29 AM

A few years back I had the opposite experience. I turned up at placve I'd only visited a few times. I'd left my guitar at home, as I wasn't feeling too bright, and hadn't intended to do anything, but I was persuaded to sing. A couple of people offered me their guitars, but I said, no thanks, I'd do something unaccompanied. They were very insistent, and I had to be quite firm - though polite -- in refusing!

Steve


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Subject: RE: Lending instruments especially in Pubs
From: Dead Horse
Date: 28 May 03 - 09:30 AM

I dont own, nor can I play, any serious musical instrument.
(I'll lend ya my teefer, or my shaky banana)
But I do often sing accompanied by my wife who dances percussion.
If anyone wanted to "borrow" my wife for a few minutes, they'd get a rude answer..................
I have noticed that serious musicians will offer to lend their instrument to somebody they respect & admire, but I have never heard any such person actually ask to borrow someone elses instrument. It just dont seem to be the "done thing".


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Subject: RE: Lending instruments especially in Pubs
From: GUEST
Date: 28 May 03 - 09:39 AM

gee...why dont you check out the other gazillion threads on this same subject?


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Subject: RE: Lending instruments especially in Pubs
From: JedMarum
Date: 28 May 03 - 09:51 AM

I generally like to have other folks play my guitar. I have had idiots, bang into stuff on rare occasion, or folks too drunk to play ask to try it - so I am wary, in those situations - but generally, if someone can play an instrument, they know how to care for it, and most people who I meet in a situation to ask to play are mindful of the instrument and its value - they will treat it with care.

I love my guitar and take delight in other people's reaction to it, especially when they play it, and hear it up close.

I do understand, however, and respect those who do not wish to have others play their instruments. I rarely ask another player to try his guitar - but do so readily if it is offered.


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Subject: RE: Lending instruments especially in Pubs
From: JedMarum
Date: 28 May 03 - 09:53 AM

... also, in those rare times when I've been at a session without a guitar, I've asked the room if someone would loan a guitar - because I know that some do not want to, but many do - that saves the embarassment of asking the wrong person.


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Subject: RE: Lending instruments especially in Pubs
From: Willie-O
Date: 28 May 03 - 10:00 AM

Well, Dead Horse, let me introduce myself. I'm Bill and I'm a borrowholic. Just kidding, sort of. I think I am a "serious musician", and I occasionally ask to borrow someone's guitar at a session. Usually cause I brought a mandolin and a fiddle but not a guitar (see that thread-without-end "Bad Manners at Sessions", another frequent pet peeve is people who bring too much clutter), and have an urge or a request to sing a song.   The hell with "the done thing", we're there to play--and share. What you share is up to you. I'm a guitar and mandolin enthusiast and enjoy trying different ones, and sharing my own with like-minded people.

What in my books is not 'the done thing' includes:

  • not asking the owner first
  • not taking a polite "no" for an answer--no explanation is required
  • asking to try an instrument you don't know how to play
  • obviously, abusing a borrowed instrument in any way, including unauthorized retunings, or putting it in harm's way


But I can't think why I'd want to be hanging around at a session with a bunch of people I wouldn't trust to play a tune on my instrument. Doesn't say much for the quality of musicianship present.

Tyke, most professional mechanics have a sign on their toolboxes "I make my living with these tools. Please don't ask to borrow them." Maybe you should try something like that....

W-O


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Subject: RE: Lending instruments especially in Pubs
From: Willie-O
Date: 28 May 03 - 10:50 AM

Jed, that "asking the room" is a good suggestion. For sure...


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Subject: RE: Lending instruments especially in Pubs
From: GUEST,Les B.
Date: 28 May 03 - 12:09 PM

One good ploy would be to ask the borrower if they're willing to take a breathalizer test to see if they're sober enough to play.
Nah, it'd probably piss 'em off.

In a slightly different vein, I always wonder how far one should go to protect someone from their own foolhardiness?

I was at a home jam recently, and a young woman, obviously a beginning player, with a new Martin decided to go out to the kitchen for a drink. She casually leaned it precariously upright against a wooden chair with a small child crawling very near. I picked it up and stashed it out of reach, mentioning that I'd hate to see her new Martin get broken. She gave me the kind of look that made me wonder if I shouldn't have just left it there. But it was a Martin and deserved some respect !!


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Subject: RE: Lending instruments especially in Pubs
From: C-flat
Date: 28 May 03 - 01:35 PM

I really don't have a problem with someone else using my guitar as long as they're not abusing it. I have a couple of good guitars and a few not so good but it's nice to hear how they sound from the front.
I once stumbled into a folk gathering in Barnard Castle and decided to stay and listen. When asked if I would like to contribute I explained that I hadn't brought an instrument as I wasn't expecting to play but I was quickly offered a guitar and played a couple of songs before returning it with thanks to the owner. I thought no more about it as I would have certainly done the same but was dissapointed when, towards the end of the evening, the same guy who had lent me his guitar complained to the group about people turning up without instruments.
I could have understood if I was a clumsy novice or if I'd been rude to the guy but why offer to lend it and then complain later?
If he'd just said no in the first place I certainly wouldn't have been offended but I felt like wrapping his guitar round his neck at the end of the evening!


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Subject: RE: Lending instruments especially in Pubs
From: Willie-O
Date: 28 May 03 - 01:56 PM

I dunno, Les and C-flat, except I know that people are weird sometimes.   I'd like to think there's a lower proportion of musician jerks than in the population at large, but I reckon it's about the same, plus we have much more tendency towards eccentricity.

I'd err on the side of safety for the guitar. She'd likely have been a lot more bent out of shape if you'd sat and watched some kid knock her thousand-dollar instrument off a chair....


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Subject: RE: Lending instruments especially in Pubs
From: Tyke
Date: 28 May 03 - 02:58 PM

In Answer to Guest and his "gee...why dont you check out the other gazillion threads on this same subject?" I'll tell you why because

A) I'm looking for advice that might work and apparently the gazillion threads on this subject don't seem to have come up with a solution to this problem.
And
B) I'm finding out just how many "MUCICIANS" feel the same as I do about my instruments.
And
C) What seems obvious is that from the replies so far to this thread is that I'm not on my own. In fact the only reply so far that has not backed up my concerns. Is from someone who has tried to kill this thread. He or She however has come on line as a Guest and I have to ask myself why? When as a font of this information he or she does not trust enough to join the Mudcat community or is a Mudcater who wishes to remain anonymous?

Is it because he or she thinks it's a good idea to borrow other people's instruments and because of this wishes to kill this thread? So he or she can carry on intimidating people into lending out there pride and joy.


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Subject: RE: Lending instruments especially in Pubs
From: GUEST,Egal
Date: 28 May 03 - 03:29 PM

If a drunken person want's to borrow any of my instruments the answer is invariably NO.

If someone who has been respectful and taken part in the club/session
wishes to borrow one i will be HAPPY to lend one.

Why are you so bloody mean hearted? I don't think you are really a MUCICIAN(sic) if you aren't willing to SHARE your music.

So what if your instrument cost loads of money? it's the MUSIC that matters. It doesn't take a lot to assess if the prospective borrower is a bad risk


Some excellent players don't have the kind of cash to buy one of these super-duper guitars, give em a break.



I bet you don't let anyone use your china teaset either.


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Subject: RE: Lending instruments especially in Pubs
From: curmudgeon
Date: 28 May 03 - 03:56 PM

I don't mind letting another guitar player use mine, as long as I know that he or she knows how and is willing to return it in the same tuning as when he got it. However, there are very few people that will get to even touch my concertina.

If I am in a situation where a song is wanted and I am "unarmed" then I am more than capable of singing without any accompaniment.

And, GUEST-Egal, before you criticise a named Mudcatter for a typo, check out yours; your glass house is in shards -- Tom


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Subject: RE: Lending instruments especially in Pubs
From: GUEST,Egal
Date: 28 May 03 - 04:02 PM

Check your own prose cumudgeon; he or she!

Anyone wanting to borrow a concertina??????????????????????


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Subject: RE: Lending instruments especially in Pubs
From: curmudgeon
Date: 28 May 03 - 04:12 PM

person want's to borrow
i will be
teaset
cumudgeon;


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Subject: RE: Lending instruments especially in Pubs
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 28 May 03 - 04:16 PM

My friends know better than to even ask...

Everyone else gets told "Nope... not on yer life..." with a smile...

My Band/music mates... sure... because I know and trust them...


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Subject: RE: Lending instruments especially in Pubs
From: GUEST,Egal
Date: 28 May 03 - 04:20 PM

Got me Curm.
Incidentally, my comments are not meant to be dammning,
simply a good natured rant.

Egg on face.


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Subject: RE: Lending instruments especially in Pubs
From: Dead Horse
Date: 28 May 03 - 05:06 PM

Fancy turning up to a thread and not having your own answer!
The nerve of some people!!!!
(%%%%%%% runs away in a cloud of gas)


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Subject: RE: Lending instruments especially in Pubs
From: Raggytash
Date: 28 May 03 - 07:06 PM

George ............you'e just a tight b******d ..........and you've still got that tenner !!


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Subject: RE: Lending instruments especially in Pubs
From: curmudgeon
Date: 28 May 03 - 07:20 PM

No offense taken, Egal. But, in case you're new here, be advised that the use of all caps is the equivalent of shouting and may be easily misinterpreted.

Sharing of music and sharing of instruments is just not the same. In our sessions, there are a lot of regulars; some of us have been friends for nigh on to 40 years. Among us, there is no hesitation about instrument swapping. At times it is almost a necessity due to the somewhat cramped quarters we have to share with the general public. If everyone brought all the instruments that he/she plays, we'd lose valuable seats for singers.

However, if an inebriate staggers over from the bar, we clutch our instruments tightly to our bodies and offer to accompany the person if we are given a key.

Fortunately this is a very rare occurrence.


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Subject: RE: Lending instruments especially in Pubs
From: Tyke
Date: 28 May 03 - 10:00 PM

Well I'm sorry to tell you Guest Egal that I'm dyslexic, officially, now my Dyslexia is something I can't do anything about. To try to ensure that my spelling is readable I have to type out my threads in Word, which has a spell check. If that gets it wrong my Dyslexia means that I unable to proof read my threads. I'm in fact grateful to curmudgeon for two things one for pointing out that Guest Egal was in fact pointing out a Typo. The second is to tell me that using cap's is shouting, sorry I did not know that, in future I'll us cap's for that purpose as and when.

I should make it clear that I do from time to time lend out my Guitar. What this thread is about is how to stop people asking to borrow it and or to make it clear that refusal may not have anything to do with how well he or she can play.

I'm not going to sit hear and do a who's who of Guitarists who I have lent my Guitar to. That would be namedropping and I just don't need to do it people now just who I am and who my friends are.

The lending out of an instrument has nothing to do with the cost of the instrument. I think it's clear from the majority that an instrument does become special to the individuals who own it." Well I'm sorry I dropped your Stradivarius but it was only and old one!"

Instruments are unique they do have subtle differences somehow the molecules in their construction do change over time to enhance there performance. Guitar players also have subtle differences in there playing styles. Some have what I can only describe a clammy hands. Out of their hands and fingers seeps this acid like substance that turns new strings or old strings black. You can identified them easily just lend them your Guitar and your strings come back knackered. I have one mate who always because of sods law needs to borrow my guitar just when I've put on a new set of strings. Even though he will pay for a new set as he is awear of this problem. I still have to find the time not only to change that set but also to play them in.

The decision of who when and where someone decides to lend out an instrument is the decision of its owner is the point. The spelling errors and or grammar have nothing to do with it! Please Egan refrain from trying this tactic again with anyone especially myself. Because like it or not being dyslexic is a disability and having a go at someone who is dyslexic is not only an offence against the Disability Discriminations Act in the United Kingdom and also an act, which points its user out as a Bully in any country. Sneering and Bullying tack ticks do little to convince me to lend out my guitar or to make an argument for people to give up their ownership to the communal good or bad.


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Subject: RE: Lending instruments especially in Pubs
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 29 May 03 - 12:32 AM

Come on won't cha?


Why can't cha?


........................................What's it gonna hurt?


I know what I'm doin - got one just like it.


No need to have an attitude!


...........................Ah was playin' before you ever learned to piss straight in a bucket.


Will ya, won't ya, can't cha, let me, PLEASE... have a chance?


Fuck off - You ain't so great anyway!



Print off these eight phrases - put them in your wallet. Look at them 10 times a week. And below them all write.



JUST SAY NO!



Sincerely,

Gargoyle


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Subject: RE: Lending instruments especially in Pubs
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 29 May 03 - 12:37 AM

Tyke - back off. Don't feed the troll!

I too am powerfully dyslexic. It makes for some of my greatest "creativity." It is a gift....not a "diability!" (If only more were so blessed.)

When the MudCat "critters" strike blood they return again and again (like bad karma) until you learn to ignore the slings and arrows of outragous insults.

PAX brother,

Sincerely,
Gargoyle


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Subject: RE: Lending instruments especially in Pubs
From: GUEST,sorefingers
Date: 29 May 03 - 12:53 AM

My Martin DM - hummm nope and the reason is real simple, I don't own it second to play it a person needs to go the Martin Acoustic Guitar School, or go out and buy their own like we did.


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Subject: RE: Lending instruments especially in Pubs
From: Steve Parkes
Date: 29 May 03 - 03:20 AM

Sometimes it works the other way ... Some while back my daughter made one of her rare visits to our folk club. She brought her then boyfriend, who plays lead guitar in a heavy metal band. (That's "LEED", not "LEDD", btw!) he was invited to sing, and asked if he could borrow a guitar, at which George Norriss, from the other side of the room, offered his [I can't remember who made it, but it's hand-made and very expensive] guitar; at the same time, the guy next to our lad offered his Ecko 12-string-restrung-as-a-six-string guitar (lead, pronounced "LEDD"). Not being very au fait with acoustic instruments, he took the nearest, and missed the chance of a lifetime.

Steve


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Subject: RE: Lending instruments especially in Pubs
From: Hamish
Date: 29 May 03 - 03:41 AM

One that really perplexed me was the guy who wanted to borrow a harmonica. I really don't want someone else's bodily fluids dribbled into something I'll be putting into my mouth.


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Subject: RE: Lending instruments especially in Pubs
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 29 May 03 - 05:14 AM

I can understand the harmonica - that's both sucked and blown so yes, bodily fluids.. eurgh!

I'm reliably informed that what comes out of the end of whistles and flutes is water, rather than dribble (but there are one or two 'moist' players that I would avoid sharing with), so I have no problem lending out any of my instruments... but then as I play percussion or recorders, no-one ever wants to borrow them anyway!

LTS


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Subject: RE: Lending instruments especially in Pubs
From: Steve Parkes
Date: 29 May 03 - 05:18 AM

I seem to recall someone's daughter borrowing my kazoo without asking...!


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Subject: RE: Lending instruments especially in Pubs
From: Tyke
Date: 29 May 03 - 03:52 PM

Thank you Guest Gargoyle. I agree and understand about people who are dyslexic what we lack in one department we more than make up for in another. We take an over all view and base our conclusions on that. I have no wish to do an intelligence shoot out in reply I can appreciate the need we have for the less fortunate to do all the boring jobs that don't need a thinking and creative brain to do. My greatest challenge is getting past the pen pusher to his or her supervisor or higher up the management chain. At which point I can usually make my point or gather so new information to clarify things and put things straight. But don't feel too elitists about being Dyslexic as one in ten people are. Not all can join Mensa (I'm not a member I just took the test which I thought was so easy that joining was not worth bothering about!) some are not smart Dyslexics. The red tape and the system usually ends up putting them behind bars and or the Pen Pusher who can fill out the forms which effect there lives behind plate glass. The English prisons have quite a high population of prisoners who are Dyslexic. I'm not making that an excuse for whatever crime they have committed. But I would suggest that people who point out Typos as a put down just don't need ignoring. They need to be told in the somewhat vain hope that their abuse will stop. Perhaps there should be a compulsory GCSE in dyslexia for Pen Pushers and Jobsworths. I glad I didn't have a big go at people coming on line as Guests to put in their Fourpenarth. On the other hand I could have sent you a personal message with this information if you were not on line as a guest.

As it is I can only say and as Raggytash can testify I am quite capable of dishing it out to those who deserve it. As for owing Raggytash a pint he was there when the heckler interrupted me in full flow and was persistent. He was also amongst the musicians who this heckler ended up buying beer for after I had spoken to her telling her that that was what she should do so that we would call off the Strike and start playing again. The only reason he thinks I owe him beer is because when her friend tried the same thing after the bar had shut. It cost her a Tenor however I did give her a Coblers Monday CD as Raggytash was playing out of tune on the song she requested that cost her the money.

So let's get back to the thread how about: -

"If you want to buy me a pint I'll think about lending you my Guitar. Thank very much for the beer but the answer still no!"

Or

"Do I look like a Banjo Player!"

Or

"Here is a Stanly knife go and play that Bodran instead"

Come on we need more suggestions so that we can, not only make a point, but let those who are being badgered into lending know that they are not on their own. It may also point out to those doing the badgering just how out of order they are.


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Subject: RE: Lending instruments especially in Pubs
From: Raggytash
Date: 29 May 03 - 07:11 PM

I detect a slur, and you sire waffed a tenner at me, in a gesture I took as good faith!!!


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Subject: RE: Lending instruments especially in Pubs
From: JedMarum
Date: 29 May 03 - 07:27 PM

I had a drunk tell me one night, as the session was ending, "Oooo if I'd a' known you had harmnicas, I would a been playin' 'em."

I told him politely that "No he wouldn't have been playin' 'em." I said it with more patience then I really felt. I don;t feel too kind toword obnoxious drunks - it's a shortcoming, I guess. I enoy pleasant drunks - but I still wouldn;t let them play harmonicas.


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Subject: RE: Lending instruments especially in Pubs
From: Tyke
Date: 29 May 03 - 07:42 PM

Raggytash! There will be a pint waiting for you on the Bar of the Red Dragon in Kirby Lonsdale on the 14th of June from about 20.30. I went over to Kirby and checked it all out. There is also a field full of Sheep not far away for you to play with.

Well time for bed The Tykes News is out so I will be distributing it Friday night. See you if your at The General Lud, The Priory, The Grove on Friday Night.


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Subject: RE: Lending instruments especially in Pubs
From: GUEST,Banjoma
Date: 30 May 03 - 06:11 AM

Here's a great way to say no:- When asked if you will lend your instrument (especially if its a whistle or harmonica) just ask "You havn't got aids have you? When the reply "No" comes back, you then say " well I have, but you're welcome to play it"
As for melodeons, any one who asks to borrow one should be allowed to keep it, so long as he departs the session immediatley with said instrument.
Seriously, my banjos & Guitars are very dear to me, and are well looked after. I hate anyone else (even my sons) playing them in an aggressive way or leaving sticky fingermarks on them.


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Subject: RE: Lending instruments especially in Pubs
From: GUEST,Strollin' Johnny
Date: 30 May 03 - 08:34 AM

I only lend my Lowden or Martin to people whom I choose, not those who choose me. Usually works fine. However, I once took my Lowden to a new (to me) session at a pub, went to the bar for a beer and heard someone thrashing a guitar behind me. When I turned around I saw that the guitar was mine and was being held 'upside down' (i.e. left-handed) and hammered very hard by some harpie who had, two minutes earlier, asked (and been politely refused permission) to play it even though she admitted she wouldn't know where to start. A bystander later told me I looked like a frog in a blender as I leapt across the room (no mean feat at 17 stone!) and wrestled the daft bat to the ground in order to recover my guitar before any damage was done to it. She was so thick she didn't see what she'd done wrong, even when I explained it would cost her seventeen hundred quid if she broke it - told me I was a misery! What do you do with them?
SJ


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