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Bad Manners at Sessions, Singarounds

clansfolk 30 Apr 03 - 12:00 PM
mexican 30 Apr 03 - 12:03 PM
mexican 30 Apr 03 - 12:06 PM
Desert Dancer 30 Apr 03 - 12:34 PM
Bee-dubya-ell 30 Apr 03 - 12:37 PM
The Shambles 30 Apr 03 - 12:38 PM
GUEST,ritchie 30 Apr 03 - 12:39 PM
Bee-dubya-ell 30 Apr 03 - 12:43 PM
Barb'ry 30 Apr 03 - 12:57 PM
Leadfingers 30 Apr 03 - 01:32 PM
clansfolk 30 Apr 03 - 01:35 PM
John Routledge 30 Apr 03 - 01:38 PM
clansfolk 30 Apr 03 - 01:41 PM
wysiwyg 30 Apr 03 - 01:48 PM
HuwG 30 Apr 03 - 01:50 PM
Tam the bam fraeSaltcoatsScotland 30 Apr 03 - 01:55 PM
clansfolk 30 Apr 03 - 02:05 PM
Rick Fielding 30 Apr 03 - 02:07 PM
Gypsy 30 Apr 03 - 02:08 PM
LesB 30 Apr 03 - 02:17 PM
clansfolk 30 Apr 03 - 02:27 PM
Willie-O 30 Apr 03 - 02:39 PM
alanabit 30 Apr 03 - 02:39 PM
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Liz the Squeak 30 Apr 03 - 03:16 PM
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Hovering Bob 01 May 03 - 05:20 AM
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Subject: Bad Manners at Sessions, Singarounds
From: clansfolk
Date: 30 Apr 03 - 12:00 PM

I'd be interested what you think are bad manners at sessions/singarounds at open bar sessions and by fellow musicians/singers.

Comments I had so far....

Joining in with tunes you don't know - loudly....

Insisting on playing the chords you know for the song even if they clash with the person performing....

Playing or showing someone to play an instrument/different song whist someone is performing.......

Talking........

I'm sure many have their pet annoyances - or maybe it doesn't bother you what others do when you are playing/singing at a session????


"the one thing that annoys me about amateur musicians is that they expect you to listen to them" J B SHAW?


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Subject: RE: Bad Manners at Sessions, Singarounds
From: mexican
Date: 30 Apr 03 - 12:03 PM

Yes you should listen - but so should they!


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Subject: RE: Bad Manners at Sessions, Singarounds
From: mexican
Date: 30 Apr 03 - 12:06 PM

We have started to draw up a set of rules and a constitution for our club see Rules these are just at draft stage at the moment, but rule 7 seems to cover this thread.


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Subject: RE: Bad Manners at Sessions, Singarounds
From: Desert Dancer
Date: 30 Apr 03 - 12:34 PM

Try searching the Forum on "session etiquette" (or similarly) and you'll find LOTS of previous discussions on the topic.


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Subject: RE: Bad Manners at Sessions, Singarounds
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 30 Apr 03 - 12:37 PM

As mentioned in the Folkmob rules, asking to borrow someone else's instrument. Grrrr!!!! Friends are one thing, but perfect strangers wanting to use my guitar instantaneously sends me into "If you touch my guitar I'll break your f*****g fingers" mode.

True story: I once loaned my guitar to a stranger and later that night he went home and murdered his father. I didn't know him from Adam's housecat, but a friend recognized him on the evening newscast. Too creepy to suit me. So, I figure that by refusing to loan my guitar to strangers I'm helping to keep the murder rate down.

Bruce


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Subject: RE: Bad Manners at Sessions, Singarounds
From: The Shambles
Date: 30 Apr 03 - 12:38 PM

Folk who arrive at what is obviously a participatory tune session and still insist on singing a song (or more than one song) - making the wrong assumption that they are the only ones present capable or willing to do this - thus turning everyone else present into an automatic and (usually) appreciative audience - whilst then reserving the right to get upset - should anyone then play their instruments to accompany the song - and then having done their bit - just talk over the tunes through the rest of the evening without taking any notice or showing any appreciation - or just leave - to do the same thing somewhere else.

You did ask *Smiles*


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Subject: RE: Bad Manners at Sessions, Singarounds
From: GUEST,ritchie
Date: 30 Apr 03 - 12:39 PM

people should almost certainly have had a bath or shower before going and preferably put on a little scent or deoderant and also wears clean clothes. It also helps if no one smokes.

but apart from that ..live and let live !

regards ritchie


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Subject: RE: Bad Manners at Sessions, Singarounds
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 30 Apr 03 - 12:43 PM

Addendum to above:

At the open-mike I used to help run, one of the regulars just left a spare inexpensive guitar in the closet to be the "house guitar" for use by drop-bys and other folks who didn't bring their own. It saved a lot of hassles.

Still Bruce


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Subject: RE: Bad Manners at Sessions, Singarounds
From: Barb'ry
Date: 30 Apr 03 - 12:57 PM

There's such a lot of controversy about session etiquette but here's my bit! Personally, I don't mind people joining in by singing or playing (although the right key is good!) I reckon that for some people it is their only opportunity to join in, either through lack of confidence or ability, so it maybe makes them feel more part of the group. Music only sessions or singing only are fine too, as long as it is clear to everyone - particularly the new person who has walked in and could make a fool of him/herself (usually me.)
I suppose my only hates are loud talking and BO! (Oh, and someone joining in the verses with the wrong words, and people using my concertina case for a beer stand and the man who was sat next to me on Sunday that kept farting and..... ok, so I'm very intolerant really!)


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Subject: RE: Bad Manners at Sessions, Singarounds
From: Leadfingers
Date: 30 Apr 03 - 01:32 PM

Bee Dub,on one occasion at a festival tunes session a guy asked if he could borrow my guitar,as I was playing mandolin at the time.I gave MY
standard reply"If you want to play a Martin Guitar at a session,bring your own" So he went out and came back with a D 35 . I felt a bit of a pillock!!!


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Subject: RE: Bad Manners at Sessions, Singarounds
From: clansfolk
Date: 30 Apr 03 - 01:35 PM

and I thought it was just me being intolerant in me old age -

- maybe living through the shared folk revival in the 50/60s and the way everyone learnt, shared and admired together has led me to believe that the people who go to sessions now are of the same mind and want to join together to enjoy a mutual interest - where so many nowadays seem to treat sessions as time to show-off try to play louder than anyone else and generally say "look at me"

"There's no "I" in group"

am I really that old.......


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Subject: RE: Bad Manners at Sessions, Singarounds
From: John Routledge
Date: 30 Apr 03 - 01:38 PM

Unfortunately that's about it Clansfolk.


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Subject: RE: Bad Manners at Sessions, Singarounds
From: clansfolk
Date: 30 Apr 03 - 01:41 PM

I'm living on the pension now - it doesn't go so far etc..........


.............In my day,


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Subject: RE: Bad Manners at Sessions, Singarounds
From: wysiwyg
Date: 30 Apr 03 - 01:48 PM

Rather than judge, lable, and criticize "bad" manners, our group focuses on the responsibility of leaders and all participants to model, lead, and teach good practices. Lots of old threads on same, worth a look, many problems addressed. Much more rewarding than naming the problems, IMO.

~Susan


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Subject: RE: Bad Manners at Sessions, Singarounds
From: HuwG
Date: 30 Apr 03 - 01:50 PM

Bee-dubya-ell and Leadfingers, there used to be a monthly session at the "Traveller's Rest" in Central Rotherham, about sixteen or seventeen years ago. Someone there saw my guitar leaning against a chair, said, "I'm just borrowing this, OK ?" and snatched it away, in spite of my feeble protests. He strummed only two chords before realising that I had restrung it left-handed. Aaaagh !


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Subject: RE: Bad Manners at Sessions, Singarounds
From: Tam the bam fraeSaltcoatsScotland
Date: 30 Apr 03 - 01:55 PM

I play at a sessions, and there are people who talk, but we don't mind that because it's a pub.

If you don't want people to talk during the folk session then maybe you shouldn't have it in a pub.


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Subject: RE: Bad Manners at Sessions, Singarounds
From: clansfolk
Date: 30 Apr 03 - 02:05 PM

I agree that in a pub you expect the clients to talk - but surely fellow musician should have more respect - the talkers are usually the ones who expect everyone to be quiet whilst they perform!


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Subject: RE: Bad Manners at Sessions, Singarounds
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 30 Apr 03 - 02:07 PM

So Bruce....He murdered his father eh? But did he treat your guitar right? Some folks have different morality.

Cheers

Rick


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Subject: RE: Bad Manners at Sessions, Singarounds
From: Gypsy
Date: 30 Apr 03 - 02:08 PM

Showboats, who take over, giving no one else a chance to play. Which is why we generally stick to the session we host.........that ain't allowed 'round here.....you just might get lynched.


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Subject: RE: Bad Manners at Sessions, Singarounds
From: LesB
Date: 30 Apr 03 - 02:17 PM

Oh eck I'm going to Moor & Coast this weekend & now i'm frightened to get my box out. What if I make a fox's paw? I'm only a beginner you know.
Cheers

Les


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Subject: RE: Bad Manners at Sessions, Singarounds
From: clansfolk
Date: 30 Apr 03 - 02:27 PM

errrrmmmmmmmm   getting am I?

Been everywhere, seen and done everything -

                         - what a shame I can't remember any of it!

- do as you would be done by is my motto now - grrrrrrr!


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Subject: RE: Bad Manners at Sessions, Singarounds
From: Willie-O
Date: 30 Apr 03 - 02:39 PM

Susan's got a point, modelling good behaviour is the best. Unfortunately a lot of people don't get subtlety.

My personal thing about talking is, if it's a pub or other non-exclusively-listening venue, OK, but please get out of the music circle far enough that you don't interfere. Frosts my britches especially when someone gets between me and a jamming mate just as we're getting some good communication going.

I find most successful sessions have different qualities as the evening goes on:

  1. a hesitant warm-up phase, much assisted by cheery introductions, offers of drinks, moving chairs to make room without being asked etc.
  2. a full-throttle set as the regulars are all there, and all the tunes that are standards at that session get played
  3. as people start to leave, often just the hard-core few keep at it. There is no need to stick to what everyone knows, more of a sharing, and a newcomer who's still there will be invited to play something that's maybe a bit different. More room for songs as well as tunes. My favourite part of the evening, usually, if I can stay that long.

    You know, I've never had a negative experience lending my Martin to a stranger, or a friend, at a session. I'm the only one who ever damages it.

    W-O


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Subject: RE: Bad Manners at Sessions, Singarounds
From: alanabit
Date: 30 Apr 03 - 02:39 PM

If a better musician than myself asks to borrow my guitar - or even just any musician whom the others present want to hear - I hand over my instrument without any ado. I think that is basic good manners to other musicians and listeners present.


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Subject: RE: Bad Manners at Sessions, Singarounds
From: Frankham
Date: 30 Apr 03 - 03:08 PM

I don't think it's a good idea to lend an instrument to strangers. There is a famous rock star who I used to know that would borrow a guitar to do his set and proceed to bang the hell out of it.

I might loan it to someone who I really know is a good musician and would give it proper respect. There was a fiddler who picked up my guitar without permission once. So I picked up his expensive fiddle and started to play along.

As to "rules", they may not work. You have to create the right environment. Unfortunately, you gotta' know the players otherwise you might be in for some bad surprises. I've determined this over years of experience in dealing with musical groups. When they come in "off the street" you are open for problems. At the same time, exclusivity isn't what folk music is about either. But for the good of the group, you have to know the problem folks and either communicate with them outside of the group or don't invite 'em in.

The best musicians are the ones that are very sensitive to the group experience in music. Showboats are not the best musicians. They haven't learned about what it takes to make music even though they may be virtuosos (fast fingers or technique). Leadership is really being a facilitator to get things happening rather than being bossy or having an agenda. The best musicians are ones that use music to facilitate. Witness Pete Seeger leading an audience. He gets it happening in a jam session too! Everybody has a chance.

Bad manners at session mirror bad manners in social relations. I'm sure we all know people that we would prefer not to have at a party.

One thing I think would help and that is to be clear on what kind of a jam it is. A sing-a-round is different than say a slow jam. Some jams emphasize group singing and harmonies, others, individual performances that are shared.

My view has to do with focus. If someone is leading a song, then they are the ones to be primarilly supported and everyone else takes a supporting role. That's the good music manners in my book.

Frank Hamilton


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Subject: RE: Bad Manners at Sessions, Singarounds
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 30 Apr 03 - 03:16 PM

I hate people who insist on bringing instruments to song sessions, not to accompany themselves, but to accompany others without their sayso!

And I loathe, detest and abhorr those f*^&king rude b^$%£$%£s who will insist on f&%$king NOODLING throughout the evening and over peoples' performances.....

People who jump in with another song, when you've been asked to sing, or taking over the song you are trying to sing by singing very loudly and just running away with it....

But the worst offenders of all are those f^$$king organisers who ask you to come and perform, pay you for doing so and then, when you get up to sing, immediately turn around and talk loudly to everyone else in the place throughout your set, only pausing to clap loudly and whistle when they realise you've stopped!

LTS


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Subject: RE: Bad Manners at Sessions, Singarounds
From: Ebbie
Date: 30 Apr 03 - 03:37 PM

Bee-dubya-ell,what kind was it? :)

Assuming that when someone suggests a song, they want you to lead it. On occasion I play with an older man with a LOUD voice and a large repertoire; I also play with a fairly diffident man with a lovely but QUIET voice and a tremendous store of songs and remembered lyrics- when the quiet man begins a song and most of us back off our instruments so we can hear him, the loud man barrels in- worse yet, if he doesn't remember the lyrics he makes up his own...

Some other types of behavior one hopes that time and age will improve. Recently, a couple of young girls (16 and 18) have joined us- which is very nice- but the 16 year old hasn't quite grasped the etiquette. One night she said to a banjo player, 'For this next song, I'll have to use your banjo.' BP said, startled, Wha...? She said, 'You don't mind, do you? I always play banjo on this song.' He said, 'Oh. Oh. No, of course not', and handed it over while the rest of us looked on a bit flabbergasted.


i'll need to use


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Subject: RE: Bad Manners at Sessions, Singarounds
From: TheBigPinkLad
Date: 30 Apr 03 - 04:01 PM

Perfume is pretty rude. I once had to accompany a bloke who had on so much aftershave my nose was burning.


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Subject: RE: Bad Manners at Sessions, Singarounds
From: Ebbie
Date: 30 Apr 03 - 04:52 PM

How bizarre- I swear I didn't write that last scrap of a phrase ("i'll need to use") How is it possible that someone else's words are on my post??


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Subject: RE: Bad Manners at Sessions, Singarounds
From: Ebbie
Date: 30 Apr 03 - 04:54 PM

Scratch that- given the subject lines, I must have written it.


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Subject: RE: Bad Manners at Sessions, Singarounds
From: alison
Date: 01 May 03 - 12:36 AM

I hate people who walk in (or out), shuffle chairs etc when someone is in the middle of a song / tune / poem..... this isn't an amplified gig just a song circle....... so it is very offputting for whoever is performing.....

I don't see what harm it can do to wait until the end of the song and then go where you need to......

slainte

alison


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Subject: RE: Bad Manners at Sessions, Singarounds
From: Leeder
Date: 01 May 03 - 12:55 AM

Our singers' circle has a mix of people who sing unaccompanied and those who accompany themselves. An unwritten rule is that the musicians don't play along unless invited. An a capella singer can be thrown off by accompaniment, particularly when it tends to force them into a strait jacket of rhythm or key.

As someone who does both on occasion, I tend to announce the key if I'm inviting other people to play along. I usually don't do so if it's a complicated chord pattern (or if I want to show off my own playing).

Occasionally someone doen't know the rule, either a newcomer or an old-timer who's clueless (yes, we have them!). This can be awkward. For my own part, I'm not confrontational, but try to set an example. If I'm capable of playing along, and choose not to, you'd think the message would get through. But it doesn't always work. Sometimes there's a tactful way of making the point, but I can't think of one just now.


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Subject: RE: Bad Manners at Sessions, Singarounds
From: Thomas the Rhymer
Date: 01 May 03 - 01:20 AM

Miss Manners sets the perfect stage, and Minotaur Pete steals the show
Solo Sam noodles your stir fry in doodles, But won't lead a song... "gotta go"

The showboat's appeal, the spotlight will steal... I like a few magical moments
Get's the energy up and lifts up your cup, And charisma can wake the indolents

My feverish peeves, in my work dirty sleeves, are not numerous but here are a few
Its Cliques without caring, and reluctance to sharing, and partners with not much to do

So reach out with your singing, we'll the rafters be ringing, We've got to enjoy being free
And the egos we'll spare when we dote on their dare, give the bashful their due, ..and a spree
ttr


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Subject: RE: Bad Manners at Sessions, Singarounds
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 01 May 03 - 02:06 AM

Just to satisfy Rick and Ebbie's curiosity about the fellow who murdered his father....

The guitar in question was my beat-up old LoPrinzi. It was (and still is) in such sad shape that I wasn't too worried about anyone hurting it, but the guy actually did treat it with care. I seriously doubt it had anything to do with his committing murder a few hours later. (Unless it just made him want a guitar of his own so badly that he went home and demanded that his father give him the money to buy one and then shot him when he refused.)   

And I'm actually not as protective of my instruments as my earlier post may have indicated. I'll loan an instrument to anyone that I think knows how to treat it well. It's the drunks that leave their barstools and come staggering over wanting to play a song that raise my hackles.

Bruce


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Subject: RE: Bad Manners at Sessions, Singarounds
From: Hovering Bob
Date: 01 May 03 - 05:20 AM

I don't have many hang-ups at sessions but I do feel uncomfortable when some showboat cuts right across the established flow or nature of the session.
I'll lend my guitar to people I know or I believe will treat it properly. Trouble is it tends to learn chords I don't know!
I was at a sing-a-round once when mine was the only guitar there and it ended going round the room. That I didn't mind too much, except it came back in a different tuning, (I'd been getting a drink at the time.) That DID annoy me, it was a twelve string!


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Subject: RE: Bad Manners at Sessions, Singarounds
From: GUEST,Egal.
Date: 01 May 03 - 05:47 AM

If someone wishes to use one of my instruments at a club or session i will of course oblige them, after all, they may have travelled some distance to attend, and by public transport carrying an instrument it's no easy deal, also they might just have accidentally just found the session etc etc.
Why alienate prospective attendees? is it some people are upset when an able player wants to share his/her talent?
Niggardly attitudes spoil occasions.
Oh yes, and if the player happens to be a fabulous singer and a wizard guitarist i warmly applaud their skill and compliment them on
having taken the time to learn to play properly, not slag them off in cyberspace like some losers here.


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Subject: RE: Bad Manners at Sessions, Singarounds
From: Mark Dowding
Date: 01 May 03 - 06:36 AM

Whilst I don't mind lending anybody my guitar if they haven't brought on to a singaround, I do get miffed when it comes back and the strings and neck have acquired a coating of peanut/crisp grease and beer making it virtually unplayable for me without wiping it down for half an hour with industrial degreaser.


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Subject: RE: Bad Manners at Sessions, Singarounds
From: GUEST,mink
Date: 01 May 03 - 06:40 AM

My top favourite most worsted bad manners things are:

Guitarists playing random lead over the top of a song just because they can identify(ish) the chords & melody and have a few licks that they think will fit.

People who come late to singarounds/open mics and then expect to "catch up" by doing extra sets late in the evening. Those of us that get there on time & work on getting the atmosphere going REALLY resent the "not yet" brigade. Ditto those that have to be begged to perform.

Percussionists that impose their own rhythm onto your song. Especially those that impose the same rhythm over everything all night.

People who haven't bothered to prepare, and think its OK to sing something from paperwork for the very first time - along with halts & restarts & tailings off when they find they don'd know the songs as well as they had thought they did.

Actually - most things are bearable really - but it does us good to have a bit of a soundoff thread every now & then to get it off our chests.


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Subject: RE: Bad Manners at Sessions, Singarounds
From: The DeanMeister
Date: 01 May 03 - 07:05 AM

I would tentatively suggest that many of the bad manners raised above can be virtually eliminated by the leadership of the person responsible for running the session.

My sessions are a famously informal mix of songs and tunes, but I endeavour to ensure that everyone has their fair crack of the whip, regardless of experience or musical ability. My regulars are aware of this.

If singers would like to sing without the benefit of accompaniment, they politely request it before they start the song. If people are getting too rowdy, or talking through a quiet song, a quiet word in the shell-like usually does the trick. And if somebody is playing loudly over everything (even in the wrong key) I have been known to take that person quietly to one side and politely ask if they might consider backing off a little.

The borrowing and swapping of instruments is commonplace, and should be at the discretion of the owner of said instrument. There is little I can do about this. In fact, I'm a major culprit of said crime.

This approach tends to keep good order, promotes a varied session, and generally, nobody gets upset! I would hope that my regulars agree with this. They keep coming back....


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Subject: RE: Bad Manners at Sessions, Singarounds
From: Bat Goddess
Date: 01 May 03 - 03:34 PM

Noodling is probably the most disrespectful thing anyone can do. Especially when a singer is obviously trying to hear the note needed to start on (or find it in their head, or actually HEAR their accompaniment). And it's sooooo unnecessary. Don't attempt to play along with a capella songs.

It's nice if a new person, whether they came specifically for the session or just wandered in off the street and discovered it, would introduce him/herself to the session leader, find out what the accepted session protocol is and, before just jumping right in with a song they can only remember half the words to (and seem to think no one's ever heard before), a) ask if the song's been done already that evening and b) ask if the song "belongs" to a regular. We enjoy hearing new people's versions/renditions of songs, but it's nice to have them ask first. Oh, and maybe wait a minute or two until they're invited to sing. (And they WILL be.)

Our sessions are in a pub, so we expect a lot of peripheral talking amongst the "listeners" (usually the loudest ones are the ones who complain they can't hear), but it's really impolite for someone to stand behind the singer and try to carry on a conversation on the other side of someone singing harmony (or anybody in the group, for that matter!).

Try not to stab anyone with your bow. Avoid slamming the singer's face with your guitar neck. (I once brought along a fencing mask to make a point.) Don't spill the beer tray of the waitress who is busy saving people from dying of thirst. DON'T BLOCK THE WAITRESSES, FER PETE'S SAKE!

Linn


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Subject: RE: Bad Manners at Sessions, Singarounds
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 01 May 03 - 05:24 PM

Noodling? Is that different from canoodling, which can indeed be distracting.

People who don't realise that the drum follows the tune rather than setting the rhythm, at least in Irish music.

People who assume that all singers want to have an instrumental accompaniment. And people who don't realise that accompanying by definition means listening to the person they are accompanying, and modifying what you play to fit in.


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Subject: RE: Bad Manners at Sessions, Singarounds
From: wilco
Date: 01 May 03 - 05:53 PM

What bothers me the most is when people act like they don't want to hear about my grandchildren, when its my turn, and they don't realy look at the photos that I hold up. Boy!!! Some People!!!!


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Subject: RE: Bad Manners at Sessions, Singarounds
From: greg stephens
Date: 01 May 03 - 05:55 PM

It all boils to one thing. Bodhrans. Leave them at home.


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Subject: RE: Bad Manners at Sessions, Singarounds
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 01 May 03 - 07:41 PM

Bodhrans? Only let a bongo player move in and start slapping away, and you start to long for the good old bodhran. (At any rate one in the hands of someone who knows that bodhrans are meant to follow, never to lead.)


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Subject: RE: Bad Manners at Sessions, Singarounds
From: Charley Noble
Date: 01 May 03 - 08:00 PM

I remember one evening our old Portland Folk Club was having a Halloween get-together at the old watchtower on Munjoy Hill; you need to envision the song circle sitting within a wooden octagonal structure rather dimly lit, taking turns singing ghost songs or telling scary stories. Then, Nancy came in...Nancy who usually just sat on the outside of the circle and listened. This time she had a tapedeck and an inflatable Frankenstein's monster. When her turn came around, she turned on the tape deck and danced with her friend to the dolful sounds of "Monster Mash"! We were stunned but deeply appreciative of Nancy for providing a moment we will all carry to our graves. Thanks, Nancy!

My point? Well, be sure to keep your circle open enough so individuals still feel free to experiment.

Cheerily,
Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: Bad Manners at Sessions, Singarounds
From: ooh-aah
Date: 02 May 03 - 08:15 AM

It's the setentious look on the faces of bodhran players that I can't stand.


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Subject: RE: Bad Manners at Sessions, Singarounds
From: Tam the bam fraeSaltcoatsScotland
Date: 02 May 03 - 08:32 AM

People have the right to make as much noise as you.

The session that I go to on a Tuesday at Irvine, there are people either talking, or playing the fruit machine, or dare I say buying drink that you hear the till being opened.
But you expect that in a pub, after all it is a business and the owner has take a living as well.

All this noise that we hear, doesn't annoy us because we know it is a business and the owner can't just stop people from making a noise.

And for all these people who complain about the noise in pubs or clubs then get a life.

Don't let in annoy you just ignore it.

Tom.
I say leave you all in peace.


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Subject: RE: Bad Manners at Sessions, Singarounds
From: MickT
Date: 02 May 03 - 09:25 AM

An apt timing for this topic as some of the performers in our club have really wound me up lately.....

First the people who get up and hog the floor for twenty minutes 15 minutes before closing time after being asked to do a quick set, when there's another 2 guests still to go on.

Second, coming in and disrupting the place in the middle of the session, bringing armfuls of instruments, leaving them all over the floor so people can trip over them, taking over whatever table they descend on with capos, fingerpicks, whistles, songsheets etc.

Thirdly the ignorant bastards who hear something slightly bluegrassy and complain 'there's too much country for me'. Substitute bluegrassy/country for anything slightly off the beaten track of the folk tradition. What makes out club successful is the mix of material performed.

I could go on... I appreciate that the organiser should take reponsibility for controlling much of this. We have a rotating list of organisers and perhaps we need to draw up some house rules...


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Subject: RE: Bad Manners at Sessions, Singarounds
From: GUEST,Banjoman
Date: 02 May 03 - 09:48 AM

Pet hates are:

1 Anyone talking/playing a different tune.
2 Getting up to go to the loo just as someone starts a song -particularly bad if its the person who has just introduced them or is running the session
3. Session leader not doing their homework on guests - Ive seen a well known artist introduced as someone else.
4. Know it alls who, as soon as someone finishes a song or tune, begins to disect it or tell everyone present that it wasn't the original tune/words etc etc.
5. People who insist on trying to accompany a song they've never heard before, or when its obvious that the singer does not want accompaniment.
6. People who try and harmonize with every song they hear - it puts me off when I have difficulty singing in one key when someone is singing in another.

Overall, I believe that anyone -especially newcomers- who is brave enough to sing or play in public, deserves a minimum of respect from those present especially the more experienced people.


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Subject: RE: Bad Manners at Sessions, Singarounds
From: The DeanMeister
Date: 02 May 03 - 10:18 AM

Hey, get Bat Goddess!! WAITRESSES??????????? Ever bin in an English pub, Bat? I wish. I'll have a word with the landlord, who knows..?


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Subject: RE: Bad Manners at Sessions, Singarounds
From: GUEST,Russ
Date: 02 May 03 - 10:32 AM

ritchie,

A true story. I was there.

A person had a job that apparently involved intense physical labor and copious sweating. He would go directly from that job to a music jam. The other participants in the jam began to dread his appearance. He never seemed to notice that after he sat down, the chairs around him would magically empty. Each of us thought we were the only one who noticed or cared about the BO until one evening (when he wasn't there) someone happened to mention it. The floodgates were opened and the jam hostess announced that she was going to do something about it.

I was at the jam when next he appeared. The jam hostess met him at the door and drew him aside. She quietly related to him the nature of the complaints she had heard, then offered to let him use the shower and some clean clothes from her husband. He took the shower, changed his clothes, participated in the evening's music, and was never seen again.


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