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Bobert 23 Apr 03 - 10:04 PM
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Subject: BS: Bruce Springsteen and the Dixie Chicks
From: Bobert
Date: 23 Apr 03 - 10:04 PM

Well, I've been waitin' for Bruce to enter the fray and enter he has done. On his website:

www.brucespringsteen.net

My old friend has stepped up to the plate in defending the Dixie Chicks against the intollerant SOB's who think they own the Earth.

Good on you, Bruce! And, it's about time. You can't hide but so long, my friend...

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: Bruce Springsteen and the Dixie Chicks
From: Susan from California
Date: 23 Apr 03 - 10:40 PM

I saw an ad a moment ago that Diane Sawyer is going to interview them and Diane's sound bite was "...why did you say it..." Bruce always has defended the down & out.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bruce Springsteen and the Dixie Chicks
From: Amos
Date: 24 Apr 03 - 06:46 PM

Here's a link to Bruce's remarks.

It ain't that hard, Bobert-my-man :>)!

A


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Subject: RE: BS: Bruce Springsteen and the Dixie Chicks
From: katlaughing
Date: 24 Apr 03 - 07:07 PM

Well said, Bruce!


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Subject: RE: BS: Bruce Springsteen and the Dixie Chicks
From: Bobert
Date: 24 Apr 03 - 09:32 PM

What ain't hard, A?

Blue clickies? Forget it....

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: Bruce Springsteen and the Dixie Chicks
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 25 Apr 03 - 12:32 AM

Our local NPR station in the Dallas Fort Worth area has been playing them on their Saturday night program. Even made a point of remarking on it. But then, NPR is probably a small audience of thinking listeners. I get the impression the DJ's on some of the other stations really shift wherever the wind blows. They're doing a local "poll" tonight and/or tomorrow (on a station I never listen to, but I'm sure it will be reported tomorrow on the local ABC affiliate WFAA.

(And I see by their front page story that Carty is out over at AA. It's about time. Talk about a horse's ass, keeping all of the company perks for his board members, after badgering the rank and file to take a 20% pay cut).

SRS


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Subject: RE: BS: Bruce Springsteen and the Dixie Chicks
From: JudyR
Date: 25 Apr 03 - 01:53 AM

Yes, good for Bruce. I saw that and was heartened.

Well, I am listening to Diane Sawyer's interview with The Chicks right now ("What were you *thinking?*)(I guess she has to take the audience's position, so as not to seem soft).

Anyway, I hope bringing all this out in the open, this makes some people sit up and think. They did a segment where they talked to troops about what they thought, and they were far less vindictive than these yahoos. Most of them evoked free speech, and not one bought the idea that they were "giving comfort to Saddam."

She read the Springsteen letter. But made the point that it's only country music fans who are so unforgiving. Madonna's already selling big on her new record.

This has to come to a head. Something has to happen -- somebody besides us has got to see how frightening all this has become. Death threads. And little children being brought to stomp on Dixi Chicks CD. And some woman calling up and suggesting they strap Natalie to a bomber and send her over to EYE-Rack (pardon me, that was red-neck talk).


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Subject: RE: BS: Bruce Springsteen and the Dixie Chicks
From: menzze
Date: 25 Apr 03 - 06:40 AM

congratulations bruce and be shure there's millions who think like you here in "old europe"

menzze


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Subject: RE: BS: Bruce Springsteen and the Dixie Chicks
From: TIA
Date: 25 Apr 03 - 08:20 AM

I don't get it. Myriad people - congressional leaders, Limbaughian commentators, Joe and Jane Sixpack - had a six-year orgy of saying disrespectful to downright nasty and even slanderous things about our last president (for example, Anne Coulter said that President Clinton had "crack pipes on the White House Christmas tree").

Now, a Dixie Chick makes one (that's 1, just 1) relatively innocuous comment and people have rallies against them, they get death threats, they are banned from the airways and everyone is appalled that they could be disrespectful to the president.

1994 to 2000, Non-stop shitting on President okay.
2003, Saying you are ashamed of the President not okay.

The difference?
IMO, the republican propaganda machine and its dupes and/or allies in the media.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bruce Springsteen and the Dixie Chicks
From: GUEST,sorefingers
Date: 25 Apr 03 - 09:30 AM

Haw haw, Bruce ..yeah right.

There is a section of the public which listens to Country - ie they don't listen to Classical or Jazz etc - that votes Republican, that reads the Bible daily, that supports the death penalty, that opposes abortion, that would not err on the side of justice in a capital case. In short if you happened to be in jail for crossing the yellow lines on the Highway, these folks would lynch you, that bad.

My best estimate, about one year and then they will either re-invent themselves or disappear.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bruce Springsteen and the Dixie Chicks
From: Fortunato
Date: 25 Apr 03 - 09:36 AM

What it's done for me is make me consider actually buying a country music CD for the first time. What passes for country music these days, with a few exceptions, is a load of manure. I think I'll slip out to Borders and get a Chicks CD this weekend, oh and a Springteen CD as well.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bruce Springsteen and the Dixie Chicks
From: Pseudolus
Date: 25 Apr 03 - 11:11 AM

TIA,
   I think the difference is that some folks (I don't agree with them but...) equate the comment about Bush and comments opposing the war as being "against the troops". People have their hot spots and perhaps we've found a common one among country music fans. The US has a history of taking things to the extreme so the reaction to the Dixie Chicks, however wrong we may think it is, should not be totally surprising.


Frank


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Subject: RE: BS: Bruce Springsteen and the Dixie Chicks
From: DougR
Date: 25 Apr 03 - 12:17 PM

Right, Fortunado, that'll show 'em! :>)

DougR


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Subject: RE: BS: Bruce Springsteen and the Dixie Chicks
From: Don Firth
Date: 25 Apr 03 - 04:45 PM

I watched PrimeTime last night and I came away with mixed feelings about the concept of "Proud to Be an American."

I am proud that there are people around who will stand up for what they believe, like Natalie Maines and her cohorts. They may have been a bit surprised at the storm Natalie's comment made, but she merely expressed a sentiment that a lot of Americans were feeling (and still feel). I think she stumbled a bit by apologizing for the remark, but on last night's interview with Diane Sawyer, I'd say she recovered nicely from that stumble. I can't remember her exact words, but it was something like how she respects and supports all troops who fight, and have fought, to maintain our freedoms—such as freedom of speech—and as an American, it would be unpatriotic of her not to make use of that freedom. Bingo, Natalie! Right on! These women are not the air-heads that some people like to assume, and judging from last night's interview, they're sticking to their guns.

I am not proud of the ferocity of the savage, hate-filled reaction of a large number of so-called "good, patriotic Americans." Boycotting and threatening radio stations that play their music, throwing their CDs on the ground and stamping on them, and going so far as to make death threats. Like somebody saying, "I know where Natalie lives! Let's go down there and straighten her out!" And having to have security guards and metal detectors now whenever and wherever they perform. That's real American, that is! As American as a good old fashioned lynch mob. [If daylia, who started the "Violence is the American Way?" thread and got thoroughly trashed for it reads this, or if she saw some of the anti-Dixie Chicks activities on last night's show, it will add a bit of support to her body of statistics that so many people seemed to find so offensive.] Seeing Americans behave that way does not make me very proud to be an American. I think I have a rough idea of what Natalie was feeling when she made her remark.

Very much to the point:— another program I watched last night, prior to PrimeTime, consisted of a pair of speeches to the American Bar Association on "Security and Privacy in the U. S." This was on CSPAN-2. The first speech was by Christina Wells, Professor of Law at the University of Missouri. The main thrust of her remarks dealt with un-Constitutional stipulations in the Patriot Act and the forthcoming Patriot Act II. Then she went on to discuss past and present policies of government repression of dissent. She compared the attempts by the Bush Administration to label anyone who criticizes them as unpatriotic, un-American, or downright treasonous with similar attempts during the McCarthy Era to say the same things about anyone who was critical of McCarthy's investigations and imply that such critics probably had something to hide. The second speech was by Geneva Overholser, a Journalism Professor, also at the University of Missouri. She gave illustrations of how the American media treat the war in Iraq as if it were a sports event, giving play-by-plays, frequently interviewing the coach and the players, and generally cheer-leading rather that actually reporting a war. She compared this with the news media of other countries who reported things objectively, with no particular effort to sanitize it or "filter it and make it mild." Fox News Channel, she pointed out, was the main cheer-leader for the Bush Administration, doing such things as showing a picture of the heads of state of France, Germany, and Russia, and captioning it "the Axis if Weasel."   [Now, there's a real foreign relations coup—very newsworthy, that!]. She also gave instances of the Justice Department (Ashcroft) leaning heavily on the media (reporters from uncooperative news agencies could be denied access to press conferences) to get them to soft-pedal any reporting of peace marches, peace vigils, and other expressions of dissent (which, sources on the internet indicate, are going on regularly all over the country, but are being ignored by the media). Overholser's general thrust was that the American news media is crumpling under pressure, rolling over to have its tummy scratched, and simply not performing its job. Bye bye, informed electorate!

Perhaps there should be a Justice Department investigation of the University of Missouri. Obviously, it's a hot-bed of un-Americanism.

By the way, local radio stations here in Seattle hesitated for a brief moment when the anti-Dixie Chicks movement hit the fan, but then they decided to go ahead and play their stuff anyway. There were no repercussions. Tower Records says their CD sales in this area is up. And they'll be doing a concert here in June. I'm beginning to think this backwoods community up here in the Northwest is fairly enlightened after all!

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Bruce Springsteen and the Dixie Chicks
From: GUEST,Hagbardr
Date: 25 Apr 03 - 05:50 PM

The anti-Dixie Chicks movement is led by Clear Channel, a huge Bush/Republican supporter, and the number one reason radio in the US is so shitty.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bruce Springsteen and the Dixie Chicks
From: GUEST,Cluin
Date: 25 Apr 03 - 06:14 PM

Didn't the Beatles go through this same sort of shit back in `67 or so? Lennon made sort sort of "We're outselling Jesus" comment and a whole lot of people who didn't like their music anyway went apeshit. I understand record sales went up just so they'd have something to toss on the bonfires.

Didn't hurt them much in the long run anyway, even though Epstein and Co. made Lennon issue a half-assed apology.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bruce Springsteen and the Dixie Chicks
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 25 Apr 03 - 06:18 PM

Don,

I ordered a Dixie Chick CD last night. Statistically I may not appear as a blip in Texas, by my roots and upbringing from the Northwest are showing.

SRS


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Subject: RE: BS: Bruce Springsteen and the Dixie Chicks
From: GUEST,The O'Meara
Date: 25 Apr 03 - 06:26 PM

Everyone in America has the right to speak his mind including the Dixie Chicks. (And Rush Limbaugh and Jane Fonda and...) But with celebrity what you say carries a lot of extra weight, and carries extra responsibility. When you say "I support the troops fighting overseas but the people who sent them there are idiots, and the war is unjust," you are telling those troops they are laying their lives on the line, and sometimes losing them, for no good reason.
    Comments like those of the Dixies hurt the men fighting overseas. It shouldn't be that way, and I wish it wasn't, but I can guarantee it is that way. (In case you haven't figured it out yet, I'm a Vietnam veteran.) There are a lot of people who absolutely disagree with the need for this war, but chose to shut up when the shooting started for that very reason. There should be no "but" after saying "I support the troops."
    I like the Dixie Chicks, they are pretty and they sing well, and I suspect the comments Ms Maines made should be labeled a Blond Moment. I suspect the truthful answer to "What were you thinking?" is "I wasn't."
    But there really are consequences to what you do and say, and if the reaction to the comment was over the top, it might be because the person who made it is larger than life.

O'Meara


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Subject: RE: BS: Bruce Springsteen and the Dixie Chicks
From: Deckman
Date: 25 Apr 03 - 06:35 PM

O'Merara ... you are wrong! Bob


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Subject: RE: BS: Bruce Springsteen and the Dixie Chicks
From: DonMeixner
Date: 25 Apr 03 - 07:33 PM

Speak your mind, Take your lumps, stand up for your beliefs. But don't back up.

Don


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Subject: RE: BS: Bruce Springsteen and the Dixie Chicks
From: Little Hawk
Date: 25 Apr 03 - 07:47 PM

The big question on my mind is: will Springsteen do a nude cover shot on Rolling Stone now, to back up the Dixie Chicks?

- LH


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Subject: RE: BS: Bruce Springsteen and the Dixie Chicks
From: Bobert
Date: 25 Apr 03 - 07:56 PM

Well, as fir going out and ordering either a Dixie Chicks or Springsteen CD, I can't say too much about the Chicks but as fir Bruce my favoites are "Nebraska" and "Lucky Town". Now, I must confess that until just recently, though I had heard of the D.C.'s, I had never heard anything by them until one night while surfing thru the "7 channels and nuthin' on" (Bruce...) and there they were singin' a song entitled "Soldiers Marching" and it was a bueatiful song and performed equally beautiful.

I did read in the Washington Post today that sales of their most recent CD have taken off. Seems their are a lot of folks either just learning about them as performers or supportin' them for doing the patriotic thing: speak up!

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: Bruce Springsteen and the Dixie Chicks
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 25 Apr 03 - 08:31 PM

It didn't hurt the Beatles any, when this kind of thing happened to them.

So they'll lose some and they'll gain some, including some in places where they haven't listened to that kind of music much before. That's show business.


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