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BBC Radio 2 Folk Awards

smallpiper 25 Feb 03 - 10:53 AM
Deni-C 25 Feb 03 - 09:31 AM
My guru always said 25 Feb 03 - 09:22 AM
Bullfrog Jones 25 Feb 03 - 09:14 AM
Ed. 14 Feb 03 - 08:45 PM
breezy 14 Feb 03 - 08:41 PM
Peterr 14 Feb 03 - 06:03 PM
Ed. 14 Feb 03 - 05:26 PM
Ralphy 14 Feb 03 - 11:06 AM
breezy 14 Feb 03 - 06:17 AM
GUEST,Piers 14 Feb 03 - 05:44 AM
The Shambles 14 Feb 03 - 05:22 AM
The Shambles 14 Feb 03 - 05:19 AM
My guru always said 14 Feb 03 - 04:58 AM
GUEST,Mikey joe 14 Feb 03 - 04:44 AM
Ralphy 14 Feb 03 - 04:04 AM
Ed. 13 Feb 03 - 02:18 PM
GUEST,mark dunlop 13 Feb 03 - 01:55 PM
Dave Wynn 13 Feb 03 - 12:34 PM
Declan 13 Feb 03 - 11:42 AM
The Shambles 13 Feb 03 - 05:29 AM
Bullfrog Jones 13 Feb 03 - 05:07 AM
Harry Basnett 13 Feb 03 - 04:49 AM
breezy 12 Feb 03 - 07:06 PM
Ed. 12 Feb 03 - 03:04 PM
GUEST,Mikey joe 12 Feb 03 - 05:32 AM
GUEST,mark dunlop 12 Feb 03 - 05:04 AM
Ralphie 11 Feb 03 - 05:11 PM
Harry Basnett 11 Feb 03 - 04:57 PM
Declan 11 Feb 03 - 01:28 PM
smallpiper 11 Feb 03 - 01:05 PM
GUEST,Mikey joe 11 Feb 03 - 12:53 PM
My guru always said 11 Feb 03 - 10:07 AM
bradfordian 11 Feb 03 - 08:51 AM
GUEST,Mikey joe 11 Feb 03 - 08:40 AM
My guru always said 11 Feb 03 - 08:34 AM
My guru always said 11 Feb 03 - 08:32 AM
Declan 11 Feb 03 - 08:05 AM
GUEST 11 Feb 03 - 08:04 AM
My guru always said 11 Feb 03 - 07:55 AM
GUEST,Sooz(at work) 11 Feb 03 - 07:38 AM
Declan 11 Feb 03 - 07:31 AM
smallpiper 08 Feb 03 - 08:44 PM
GUEST,mark dunlop 08 Feb 03 - 05:01 PM
smallpiper 07 Feb 03 - 12:39 PM
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My guru always said 07 Feb 03 - 12:08 PM
breezy 07 Feb 03 - 11:17 AM
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Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Awards
From: smallpiper
Date: 25 Feb 03 - 10:53 AM

Give the harding boy more than an hour a week and then we might see some change !


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Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Awards
From: Deni-C
Date: 25 Feb 03 - 09:31 AM

Peterr

You've got a really good point there. The folk scene is always moaning about not having enough young blood, so then they get a few and keep recycling them, forgetting that they miss a new batch every year. Very frustrating. Is it more incestous than the pop scene do you think?

Keep plugging away, and keep pushing. Don't forget, these existing artists may be talented but is often a professional approach to music as a business that puts you in the public eye, rather than talent alone.

If you ain't making waves, you ain't kicking hard enough....


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Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Awards
From: My guru always said
Date: 25 Feb 03 - 09:22 AM

That's excellent news BJ :-)


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Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Awards
From: Bullfrog Jones
Date: 25 Feb 03 - 09:14 AM

Only just caught up (online) with Mike Harding's programme from last week (Weds 19th) and he made a point of playing whta sounded like the whole of Eliza's speech, including her urging everyone to sign the PEL petition. Obviously someone at Smooth Operations took note!

BJ


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Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Awards
From: Ed.
Date: 14 Feb 03 - 08:45 PM

You can't please all the people all the time...


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Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Awards
From: breezy
Date: 14 Feb 03 - 08:41 PM

too much 'Prime- time' didnt you think?
I thoughtthat award was going to Woody G!! silly me.and Paxton got it earlier then, as did Pete S.
Have the Clancys got anything?
It took daddy Carthy a long time, suppose he cant get any more awards.
Perhaps it ought not to be an annual event, then there would be more time for more people to be involved in the selection and voting process. Every 3 years? or it'll get devalued.
'cant give it to him he's already got it'
Watch out Roy's coming back out!!!
Did I miss the Scottish contribution? or is that Mccusker
Nothing for Lonnie then,mmm waste of a death.


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Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Awards
From: Peterr
Date: 14 Feb 03 - 06:03 PM

A few yaers ago I wrote to Folk on 2 about the change in format of Young Tradition Awards, ie that it used to allow a chance for anyone who sent in a recording to get listened to. It changed to exclude anyone who was not already in the scene. In the south west as I'm sure everywhere else we have a good helping of young talent who choose not to live and get involved in what seems to be a rather incestuous set-up. So how many are out there who are great young singers who don't get a chance to be heard by those who run the establishment? Not gripping at Harding/Leonard who have an impossible job in less than an hour a week - just lets try and hear some OTHER good youngsters who enjoy trad/trad style singing


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Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Awards
From: Ed.
Date: 14 Feb 03 - 05:26 PM

Shambles,

No, I don't doubt Eliza Carthy's concern or commitment to the cause. I just don't happen to think that over exaggeration is very helpful either. That was all I meant.

Ed


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Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Awards
From: Ralphy
Date: 14 Feb 03 - 11:06 AM

Breezy (et al)
My comment was purely about making the programme.
John Leonard is absolutely right...
In a 58 Minute show, something has to go, and the chat is going to go in the bin quicker than the music.
I finally got to listen to the show this am.
Jolly good, I thought...and congrats to Mr Leonard for turning it around so quickly..(Maybe a mention for Mssrs Walter & Fountain would have been nice. Only joking!)
Breezy.
I actually thought the political element of the programme was just about right.
You have to remember that Radio 2 has to cater for all flavours of listeners, of many political persuasions, and it's remit is to entertain....
So, Not perfect....but, as an old pro....well done Smooth Ops, You'll never please everyone, but, I enjoyed hearing it.
Tune into Kershaw over the next couple of weeks, and you can hear what I've been up to!!!
Regards    Ralphie


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Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Awards
From: breezy
Date: 14 Feb 03 - 06:17 AM

'about music and song ' yes, and its all based on politics because thats where folk is at.So to say its not about ploitics is to miss the obvious.
Thats what makes the songs so appealing, they are not just bland trash thet is hyped as 'pop'.
Sorry Ralfi


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Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Awards
From: GUEST,Piers
Date: 14 Feb 03 - 05:44 AM

Spot the Dog, has hit the spot (excuse the pun) with this. All these arguments were aired last year and still it's the clique of industry 'professionals' telling us who is the best at such and such.

Music awards are about the music industry and selling records and foster idolatry and sycophancy, which I don't think is what folk music should be about.

Piers


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Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Awards
From: The Shambles
Date: 14 Feb 03 - 05:22 AM

Last year we had Tessa Jowell in attendence, as Kim Howells was (luckily) in the USA. Were any invitations issued to the DCMS this year, I wonder?


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Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Awards
From: The Shambles
Date: 14 Feb 03 - 05:19 AM

I'm sorry, but that is something of a misrepresentation. Eliza did get slightly emotional when thanking all the people who had helped her, "I''m going to do a Gwyneth", but not when she mentioned the petition.

I was not there and must rely the opinions of those that were, but I do know for a fact that she is very concerned about the effects of this Bill, I hope you were not suggesting here that she is not?

For if not, it seems a rather thin distinction. One worth making?


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Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Awards
From: My guru always said
Date: 14 Feb 03 - 04:58 AM

On the theme of what happened behind the scenes, the quote below was posted on the BBC Radio 2 'get talking' forum as part of a discussion about the show. Although mostly replying to our 'hot topic' it gives valuable insight into the show's production & I thought you might like to see it here:

I edited most of the awards show programme and so take responsibility for everything that was edited out. The show ran for two and a quarter hours on the night and I had to cut it down to 87 mins. I had to drop one full piece of music, heavily edit John McCusker's tunes and cut quite a lot of everyone's speech. I did not take out any political references deliberately, was just a practical problem of physically getting the show to time and making it sound reasonably natural. If I remember correctly there were three references to the PEL. I cut out two and left Tom Robinson's comments. There were many other comments during the evening that I regret losing. There is no question of political censorship, it was purely a decision of cutting the speech down to the bone or dropping more music or even one of the awards. However, all the speeches are on our web site where they can be accessed at any time and heard in full, and a number of times during the programme we directed listeners to the web site. John Leonard, Producer.


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Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Awards
From: GUEST,Mikey joe
Date: 14 Feb 03 - 04:44 AM

So.. what did Christy say to Bertie?????


Mj


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Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Awards
From: Ralphy
Date: 14 Feb 03 - 04:04 AM

Bullfrog...
Sadly, I have no control!!
Haven't even heard it meself yet...Was busy doing "Rawk" music on Wednesday.
Also, I doubt that censorship was the reason for various ommissions on the broadcast...The slot is only 58 Mins, and I'm sure the Live show was probably 2 hours...Something had to give, and as it was about the music, not the politics....OK?
But, heartiest congrats to all.
Ralphie


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Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Awards
From: Ed.
Date: 13 Feb 03 - 02:18 PM

The entire evening is available as Real Video webcasts at the BBC Radio 2 site

I don't think that you're being naive Declan. In a 55 minute show a lot was left out, I really can't see any deliberate censorship at work.

Shambles' anonymous correspondent also comments that Eliza Carthy...appealed to the whole audience to sign Graham Dixon's petition with tears in her eyes.

I'm sorry, but that is something of a misrepresentation. Eliza did get slightly emotional when thanking all the people who had helped her, "I''m going to do a Gwyneth", but not when she mentioned the petition. Judge for yourself, here. Her speech is approx. 4mins 30seconds in.


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Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Awards
From: GUEST,mark dunlop
Date: 13 Feb 03 - 01:55 PM

I feel I really should defend Edinburgh Folk Club. Sure the artists pick their favourite club, but in my experience there is not much major difference between what clubs pay. Edinburgh is my local club and is also the spiritual home of the band I'm with. I reckon the reason they won was because the crowds are always good sized, very knowledgeable, and appreciative of good music. Performers are always very well treated by all. It has been running for nigh on thirty years, and has seen many many mainstays of the scene down those years. As performers, we appreciate welcoming freindly clubs. As a regular visitor to the club as a punter, I know there'll always be a few friends there. Question the merit of awards if you wish, but I think it would be wrong to suggest money would be the reason for picking one over the other.
m.d.


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Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Awards
From: Dave Wynn
Date: 13 Feb 03 - 12:34 PM

The whole awards thing appears to me to be flawed. Minority selected voters ridicules any pretext of genuine democracy. So we are fed the results and applaud like seals.

I happen to think some of the "winners" were well deserved but nontheless still selected for us not by us. What gives us the right to select award winners?...well I buy the product , study and practise the genre. I feel a vote should be resonable to ask for.

The practice of selecting the "folk club of the year" is also strange whereby selected artists are asked to vote for their most popular club. So who wins..The little folk club that has been running for thirty years raising many generations of people in the genre or the big club that pays top dollar (or pound stirling).

Why have the awards in any case...I never see awards for plumber of the year...best radiator fittment.....up and coming young mechanic.

Perhaps ego needs a lot of food

Spot


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Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Awards
From: Declan
Date: 13 Feb 03 - 11:42 AM

I was a bit surprised that Christy didn't seem to make any response to Bertie Ahern's message. Overall I enjoyed what I heard of the program. (I was flicking back and forth from the Football).

I suspect the omission of some of the stuff mentioned above was that they had to cut the program down to fit the space available, rather than deliberate censorship, but maybe I'm just naive.


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Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Awards
From: The Shambles
Date: 13 Feb 03 - 05:29 AM

This from one who was invited to attend the radio 2 Folk Awards. Who for good reasons, would rather not be identified.

Thanks for all your hard work in sending me details about how the campaign is going! I thought you might be interested in the following:

Just in case you were beginning to think that all the pro and semi pro folkies were ignoring this whole situation - here is what happened on folk award night last Monday.

Mike Harding started off with a whole load of put downs about Kim Howells and said that "He had invited the minister to come along, but he was obviously too afraid of the response" ... or (words to that effect), the mere mention of Kim Howells' name was met by a wealth of pantomine-like boos and hisses from the great and good in folk.

Introducing the award for Roy Bailey and Tony Benn as best live act, Tom Robinson finished with the phrase "and these two won't be able to play in a pub if the current government has their way" (or words to that effect).

Finally Eliza Carthy on recieving her second award appealed to the whole audience to sign Graham Dixon's petition with tears in her eyes ... I know this means a lot to her.

If you heard the radio broadcast you will have noticed that practically all (apart from Tom Robinson's comment) were completely edited out by Smooth Operations, the company who put on the annual show and who are also responsible for The Mike Harding Show.

I am appalled and dismayed that they didn't use what small part of the market share in national radio they have responsibility for to represent what the presenters and performers obviously
feel so strongly about (as everyone in the folk scene does) - they also missed out other political statements like those made by Christy Moore in response to his message from the Irish Prime Minister.

What I'm trying to say, Roger, is don't think all the people in the professional side of folk are ignoring this point. It is just incredibly difficult to get your point accross when the only bit of media attention on folk censors all the poignant facts out.

I would be grateful (for selfish career reasons) if you wouldn't link this information with my name if you choose to distribute it to others. But I would be only too happy for others to know how two faced Smooth Ops are for doing this sort of thing at the same time as cashing in on a bit of extra
listning figures because they get an interview with KH.

Anyway I've ranted enough.

Keep up the good work - I really appreciate it.

Cheers
………………………………..


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Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Awards
From: Bullfrog Jones
Date: 13 Feb 03 - 05:07 AM

Just been catching up listening online and they chopped the programme off during the Oyster Band/Big Session song! Ralphie -- have a word! The way some programmes are presented online it sounds like they've been topped and tailed with a blunt chisel. Wouldn't have happened in my day...mutter, mutter...

BJ


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Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Awards
From: Harry Basnett
Date: 13 Feb 03 - 04:49 AM

I'm just glad there was more of a bias towards traditional music this year...especially English traditional - - and some good points made both by the artists and people presenting the awards!


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Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Awards
From: breezy
Date: 12 Feb 03 - 07:06 PM

Does Linda Thompson do folk clubs?
We were pleased to have had Roy Bailey and we'll have him again in November.
Voting is by a small'cliqued' minority so would it not enhance its status if all folk clubs had voting rights for these awards ?
I feel a thread coming on.


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Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Awards
From: Ed.
Date: 12 Feb 03 - 03:04 PM

Just started on Radio 2 for anyone interested


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Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Awards
From: GUEST,Mikey joe
Date: 12 Feb 03 - 05:32 AM

I play in the Monday night session in Dundee with Graham. I think I could have met you at his fiftieth birthday but I'm not sure. It is a small world!!


Mj


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Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Awards
From: GUEST,mark dunlop
Date: 12 Feb 03 - 05:04 AM

To Mikey Joe. Graham Robertson from Dundee (actually he was born in Perth and lives in Fife, but I'm sure he won't mind) is my father in law. Small world, eh? How do you know him, then? Do I know you? Do you know me?? Do I know anything???!!!
One award not mentioned was that Edinburgh Folk Club won Folk Club of the year. Well done to all the guys on the committee.
m.d.


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Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Awards
From: Ralphie
Date: 11 Feb 03 - 05:11 PM

Yes...
Big Congrats to all recipients...
Particularly Boden & Spiers.
Fine pair of chaps....and English as well !
Regards Ralphie


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Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Awards
From: Harry Basnett
Date: 11 Feb 03 - 04:57 PM

Great news about Spiers and Boden...we had 'em last June at the Open Door Extravaganza and they were brilliant!! So we've got 'em again for the one in March!!


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Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Awards
From: Declan
Date: 11 Feb 03 - 01:28 PM

Well done to all concerned.

Hard luck Malinky but "tiocfaidh bhur lá" as we say around here.

There's not going to be a lot of space on the Carty's mantlepiece with all the awards ! 2 MBEs and 3 BBCs. Ma and Da get the Queen, but Eliza has to make do with Mike Harding!

And I'm not going to argue with anyone giving awards to Altan or Christy or John McCusker for that matter.


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Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Awards
From: smallpiper
Date: 11 Feb 03 - 01:05 PM

Same old crowd then BUT well done one and all (especially John McCusker)


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Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Awards
From: GUEST,Mikey joe
Date: 11 Feb 03 - 12:53 PM

Don't read below if you want the awards to be a surprise

from todays Irish Independent















BBC honours Christy Moore with folk award



CHRISTY Moore was last night honoured with a lifetime achievement award in the BBC Radio 2 Folk Awards.


Taoiseach Bertie Ahern paid tribute by recording a special message for the award ceremony at London's Marriott Hotel.


He said: "He is a fantastic musician who has been one of the backbones of our traditional music history in Ireland.


"His contribution to the folklore and song has been immense. He is an artist who has influenced various generations of musicians and singers and as an activist has contributed in making this country a better place to live."


As well as Moore, Altan picked up the award for best folk group.


The big winner of the night was English singer, songwriter and violinist Eliza Carthy who scored a hat-trick at the annual awards.


The daughter of folk legends Martin Carthy and Norma Waterson took folk singer of the year, best album for 'Anglicana' and best traditional track for 'Worcester City'.


Singer Linda Thomson, struck by acute stage fright which left her unable to sing for 17 years, saw her long-awaited comeback win an award for the year's best song for her track 'No Telling'.


John McCusker won musician of the year.


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Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Awards
From: My guru always said
Date: 11 Feb 03 - 10:07 AM

Aha, have dug up a snippet - the Horizon Award went to John Spiers & Jon Boden. And this IS from the 2003 awards :-)


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Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Awards
From: bradfordian
Date: 11 Feb 03 - 08:51 AM

The beeb won't put up the details till after Harding's show
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio2/folk/features/f_fa2003_noms.shtml


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Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Awards
From: GUEST,Mikey joe
Date: 11 Feb 03 - 08:40 AM

Mark Dunlop

do you know Graham Robertson from Dundee????

Mj


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Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Awards
From: My guru always said
Date: 11 Feb 03 - 08:34 AM

No, it didn't link, must have hit the wrong one :-(


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Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Awards
From: My guru always said
Date: 11 Feb 03 - 08:32 AM

OOps, sorry, it linked through from their awards 2003 clickie! Will go back into shell right away :-)


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Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Awards
From: Declan
Date: 11 Feb 03 - 08:05 AM

That link is to last years awards.

I was wondering how Kate could have won an award without being nominated for anything. I'm a big fan of Kate's myself but I think there's be grounds for objection if that was to happen !


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Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Awards
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Feb 03 - 08:04 AM

That's a report on last years event!


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Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Awards
From: My guru always said
Date: 11 Feb 03 - 07:55 AM

This is the latest news on the website (it seems to be still in progress). Am disappointed about Thaney not winning (sorry MD - hope you all had a good time anyway, that nomination really counts!), but Kate Rusby's song is good too :-)

Have tried to start a discussion about 'folk awards' in the 'get talking' forum on the BBC website, but no hits yet. Sorry, couldn't make a link for some reason :-(

Hil


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Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Awards
From: GUEST,Sooz(at work)
Date: 11 Feb 03 - 07:38 AM

Nothing on the BBC wesite yet.


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Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Awards
From: Declan
Date: 11 Feb 03 - 07:31 AM

Anyone know who won, or do we have to wait until tomorrow night ?


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Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Awards
From: smallpiper
Date: 08 Feb 03 - 08:44 PM

Good man I like someone who hedges their bets bets of luck old chap!


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Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Awards
From: GUEST,mark dunlop
Date: 08 Feb 03 - 05:01 PM

Wahey smallpiper. I've been reading it with interest. I'm not going to contribute to it one way or another until after the awards ceremony - don't want to spoil out chances (heh, heh). Great stuff.
m.d.


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Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Awards
From: smallpiper
Date: 07 Feb 03 - 12:39 PM

Ok I've accepted your dare Mark BBC thread is up and running


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Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Awards
From: smallpiper
Date: 07 Feb 03 - 12:33 PM

Mark Dunlop I'm no relation to Weepiper although we both play the same kind of pipes. I hope to meet her in the not too distant future when I head up north to collect my new border pipes.

God luck with the song


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Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Awards
From: My guru always said
Date: 07 Feb 03 - 12:08 PM

Hey Breezy, did you never go back to the old No Telling thread, there lots of opinions on that bit, although it would be good to get it all authenticated!

MD: Yes, it's bare-faced cheek indeed, but it's only for fun & I just can't stop singing 'Thaney'. The song has such power - and what a rythm to play with :-) Have fun Monday..

Guest, noddy: Regional folk awards, what an excellent idea, if the radio stations were up for it the way would be open for some excellent local musicians! And what a boost for the music!

Hil
ps. anyone going to start that BBC thread?????


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Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Awards
From: breezy
Date: 07 Feb 03 - 11:17 AM

Dear Mark
Congrats from St Albans Folk Song Club on your nomination,your a hit with our members, shame we are too small a venue for you.
Can you nevertheless help us out as you may meet Linda Thompson.
I've tried asking here but to no avail, can you please ask her about the line in the last verse of 'No Telling' that begins '
The Queen of the Ballroom still gl't'trs a nd shines each night at the ------- -------- ------- -------
which I hear as 'The Old Prime Mouse Steak'
but dont tell her I think its over-rated, easy and pleasing but
I know this is a bare faced cheek, but our Hilary is singing your 'Thaney'song very well and accapella too, even her accent is convincing, and she's from Luton!
Ta
Breezy
Pm me if you like after you've signed up
Enjoy the night


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Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Awards
From: My guru always said
Date: 07 Feb 03 - 11:07 AM

Mark Dunlop: Thaney is the best song I've heard for years, it's a Must Win!!! Well done to you all, esp. Karine :-) Will add congrats as and when. Well done Malinky!


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Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Awards
From: GUEST,mark dunlop
Date: 07 Feb 03 - 10:35 AM

Thanks Declan. Thanks also Smallpiper (are you related to weepiper?) even though you don't agree it's worth the effort. Start a new thread on the Beeb's role and I'm sure you'll get comment from the great, the good, and the common viewers/listeners too. Cheers too, Ed. Karine wrote the song, the rest of us just arranged it with her, so all the credit for actually creating the piece must go to her. We just did the best we can to make it as powerful as possible. We all love the song, but none of us is heading down the bookies to check our odds (if you know what I mean). Like I said, the main thing for us is that enough of the judges thought enough of our work to nominate us in the first place. Sorry if this seems a bit mundane, but a gradual approach is reaaly the only way to succeed in the business. Very few acts get "discovered" and propelled to folk-stardom within months.
Go on, someone. Start a thread about the BBC commitment to folk music, and the nature of "competitiveness in music". You'll find as many opinions as the are 'catters, I feel sure.
m.d.


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