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BS: Veterans Would Mudcat hook you in today?

Amos 06 Jan 03 - 11:35 AM
Dave Bryant 06 Jan 03 - 11:20 AM
Joe Offer 06 Jan 03 - 11:01 AM
Willie-O 06 Jan 03 - 10:56 AM
GUEST 06 Jan 03 - 10:36 AM
Steve in Idaho 06 Jan 03 - 10:36 AM
KingBrilliant 06 Jan 03 - 10:21 AM
Jerry Rasmussen 06 Jan 03 - 10:15 AM
nutty 06 Jan 03 - 10:11 AM
Ron Olesko 06 Jan 03 - 09:43 AM
Bill D 06 Jan 03 - 08:35 AM
artbrooks 06 Jan 03 - 08:13 AM
Tiger 06 Jan 03 - 07:37 AM
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InOBU 06 Jan 03 - 07:17 AM
Rapparee 06 Jan 03 - 07:15 AM
fat B****rd 06 Jan 03 - 06:28 AM
C-flat 06 Jan 03 - 05:00 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: Veterans Would Mudcat hook you in today?
From: Amos
Date: 06 Jan 03 - 11:35 AM

Dave:

One of the changes is definitely an increase in the voices from UK side. Musically, this is something to celebrate since there is such a depth of knowleedge and history into our ANglo Saxon musical roots. On the other hand, the humour which they add often escapes me, and muddies things up for me -- it is either too subtle for me, or it calls on a very different context than I am accustomed to culturally, or perhaps it really is shallow and banal when it seems that way. But you know what? I don't care, because these are my kind of people -- singers and musicians -- and I am glad to have a common cyberlocale to share with them even if I do not always understand their jokes. It is fun to bedivided by a common language, actually :>)!

I do call on those who feel critical of the atmosphere on the 'Cat to take responsibility for contributing what they feel would be better, instead of jerking off with their ugly little critiques. It adds nothing to the community. The key question is, "What are you going to do about it?". And, "Will that improve things?". You are capable humans and are just as empowered to add to the tone around here as anyone on the list, so quit whining, guys.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: Veterans Would Mudcat hook you in today?
From: Dave Bryant
Date: 06 Jan 03 - 11:20 AM

I first came onto the site when Dick moved the DT here. I tended to use it for information and searching for songs and up to a couple of years ago just came in as a guest. I find it a lot more than a resource these days and enjoy (and try to contribute to) some of the humourous threads as well as to many of the serious ones.

I do notice a lot more members from the UK these days and sometimes wonder if we (plus our penal colony in Hull) are changing the balance somewhat - especially with the proliferation of PEL threads. I've introduced quite a few new members to the Cat and most of them seem to find it both useful and fun.


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Subject: RE: BS: Veterans Would Mudcat hook you in today?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 06 Jan 03 - 11:01 AM

Hi, Rapaire, you've got me curious - what song did you find here that was supposed to have been forever lost?
I tried searching for the request you posted, but didn't find it - and now I'm frustrated. Maybe that's why Mudcat continues to "hook me in" - it stimulates my curiosity endlessly. I have to find out the rest of the story - of the songs, and of us people who love them.
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: BS: Veterans Would Mudcat hook you in today?
From: Willie-O
Date: 06 Jan 03 - 10:56 AM

I referred someone hear last week and they were pleased with what they found, especially with the DT.

After four or five years, a lot of stuff in the Forum seems the same, but if I came here for the first time today, it would be new, wouldn't it? And the forum combined with the DT is still a great repository of knowledge that will help anyone with an actual musical enquiry. I know some of MY most respected sources of info are certainly still here and quick to answer a query.   There is a lot of useless crap which I mostly ignore unless in a serious time-killing mode; that's what subject lines are for, ennit?

Furthermore, the recent upgrades to the site have been great, especially the measures for breaking long threads into manageable chunks, and the automatic linebreaks in posts. A godsend to us dialup users, not to mention those who pay by the minute for a connection. THANKS AGAIN MAX!!!

Long live Mudcat. Pox on spam.

Willie-O


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Subject: RE: BS: Veterans Would Mudcat hook you in today?
From: GUEST
Date: 06 Jan 03 - 10:36 AM

No,

Sure things evolve, just don't much like what this has evolved into


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Subject: RE: BS: Veterans Would Mudcat hook you in today?
From: Steve in Idaho
Date: 06 Jan 03 - 10:36 AM

What artbrooks said - Me too - I'm not entering into many of the discussions and have been unable to do the music thing for a lot of reasons (PalTalk). But if I want to find a song or chords - this is my resource. I'd stay for that.

Steve


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Subject: RE: BS: Veterans Would Mudcat hook you in today?
From: KingBrilliant
Date: 06 Jan 03 - 10:21 AM

No - I think I'd be put off by the backbiting that goes on. Luckily I'm already hooked in & can ignore it.
Sometimes I leave it alone for a while & let absence make the heart grow fonder - same as with physical gatherings. Some days it feels fresher and more alluring than others.
There's plenty of nice people around here, and its worth hanging around.

Kris


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Subject: RE: BS: Veterans Would Mudcat hook you in today?
From: Jerry Rasmussen
Date: 06 Jan 03 - 10:15 AM

Wrote a song fooling around a few years ago... each verse started pretty much the same... "You know you're getting old when you start to say, I wonder what's the matter with kids today." Remember how much you hated it when your parents said that? How about, "You know you're getting old when you start to say, I wonder what's the matter with the music, today? Or people today, who don't want to work any more? Think up a generality of your own and the song could go on for hours. I wonder what's the matter with Mudcat today? I've only been on here a little over a year, and there is an initial fascination that we've all probably had that is very addictive. Very few things remain as exciting as they were when you first discovered them. But Mudcat will continue to re-invent itself. Mudchat was a great discovery, and I still enjoy stopping in for awhile almost every day. I've met many great people in there who I rarely run across in threads (inerestingly.) They'll remain friends, even if Mudcat passes into that great cyberspace in the sky.

There are times when I skim through the threads and find nothing of interest. Sometimes, like the thread about finding Mum's old love in America, are beautiful. They bring out the best in us. I don't see any postings in there of the chronic bitchers, though. I've often been tempted to start a Thread that said, "And another thing I Can't Stand.." It would probably hit a thousand postings."

I expect that Mudcat will be a part of my life for a long time. If I reach a point when I don't find anything of interest to me, I'll just say "Thanks for all of it, Max!" and move on.

Thanks for all of it, Max! But, I ain't ready to move on...)

Jerry


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Subject: RE: BS: Veterans Would Mudcat hook you in today?
From: nutty
Date: 06 Jan 03 - 10:11 AM

I'm with Ron ..... accept the changes. Every society changes as it grows.
It is the dissenters, the likes of A nonnie-nonnie and gargoyle, who refuse to stand up and be counted who do Mudcat no favours.
I am sad that you feel that the Mudcat of today has so little to offer ....but if that is the case, wouldn't it be better to just go away and find what you are looking for elsewhere (if you can).

I joined the folk scene during the revival (40 years ago) when everything was very new and exciting ..... today it has changed but I don't begrudge the young ones their place on the stage. I still find it an exciting place to be, as I do with Mudcat (3years on). I have seen first hand what in-fighting can do and regret that some friends felt that they had to leave when the "inner clique" wars were waging.
Good or bad Mudcat is part of my life because it isn't just a web site but a living and breathing community which you might become more involved in if you were to become members.


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Subject: RE: BS: Veterans Would Mudcat hook you in today?
From: Ron Olesko
Date: 06 Jan 03 - 09:43 AM

This should not become the old joke - how many folkies does it take to change a lightbulb? The answer 10 - one to change it and nine to talk about how much brighter the old bulb was.

Change happens. You can't stop it, everything evolves. Sure there are a lot of BS threads, but isn't that what happens when people become friends? This is a community, a community based on respect and a common interest. There is always a common bond that brings people together but once the friendship has started, nothing becomes off limits. You need that in order to maintain the original premise that brought people together in the first place as well as to strengthen and grow a relationship.

Instead of moaning about how things have changed, why not celebrate and expand the reasons that made Mudcat so attractive in the first place?   

The negative feeling that is the premise of this thread hurts the growth of Mudcat. Newcomers need to feel included, not ostracized because they asked a question that was discussed 2 years ago.   

Ron


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Subject: RE: BS: Veterans Would Mudcat hook you in today?
From: Bill D
Date: 06 Jan 03 - 08:35 AM

Mudcat is a window on the world...not the only one, of course, and often smudged and distorted. And the S/N (signal to noise) ratio is sure a lot worse these days, but wow, when good stuff happens, it is worth all the blather in between!

Like Jeri, I am appalled at how many come here JUST to argue politics or nit-pick at others...but I have my choice as to replying or not. I often feel that when I DO reply to a BS thread that I am hollering into the wind, but composing replies allows ME to refine my own thoughts....something I don't do when listening to the evening TV news or reading the paper. I can truly say I have typed more here in a few years than I did in 6 years of college and learned stuff I never had a chance to learn in college.

Since reading Mudcat is just a part of "surfing the 'net", I integrate it in ways I never imagined...both the folk music parts and general knowlege mixed with silliness. (Unlike some, I feel the world NEEDS more silliness and humor, and I have found more quick wit and genuine creative repartee' than almost anywhere!

To me, the Mudcat functions very much like the Delphic Oracle....you toss an idea or question in, and because of the "critical mass" of minds and wide divergence of views, you get back answers, ideas, viewpoints that either solve your problem or send you off in the right direction...ESPECIALLY if it is about music!

Sure I'd be hooked...and if I arrived today, I'd be spending weeks and months trying to read it all! ...and grumping all the while that it wasn't 'exactly' right.....*grin*


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Subject: RE: BS: Veterans Would Mudcat hook you in today?
From: artbrooks
Date: 06 Jan 03 - 08:13 AM

BTW, I read the question as pertaining to military veterans, and that was the question I answered. I apologize if the intention was otherwise, but the substance of my answer is the same...what would be the purpose of quiting/not visiting Mudcat because one dislikes some of the questions and participants? Is there a better source for discussions about music or about other topics with musically-oriented people...or even one that approaches the diversity of Mudcat. Jon Freeman's site is excellent for what it is, and the .ftp sites are out there, but I prefer this one.

I don't really see what there is about this question that inspires the asker to seek anonimity, unless this is just our friend ANON.GUEST trying to provoke outrage again.


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Subject: RE: BS: Veterans Would Mudcat hook you in today?
From: Tiger
Date: 06 Jan 03 - 07:37 AM

I would certainly stay if I just wandered in today. Still much to be learned. The data base and message threads have swelled tremendously, so that many more requests can be fulfilled with a search, rather than waiting for a response.

MUCH more stuff to be ignored, though, and there are a few members I just can't abide. But I don't let them know that - in fact, when the fur starts flying, I just opt out.

My only remorse is a sinking feeling that I was one of the progenitors of today's BS when I asked (exactly 4 years ago) "How old is a Mudcatter?" That sort of opened the floodgates.


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Subject: RE: BS: Veterans Would Mudcat hook you in today?
From: artbrooks
Date: 06 Jan 03 - 07:36 AM

Why not? The assumption that veterans are different from anyone else and have opinions that diverge significantly from the average human being's (or at least the average American/Canadian/UKer) is utter drivel.


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Subject: RE: BS: Veterans Would Mudcat hook you in today?
From: InOBU
Date: 06 Jan 03 - 07:17 AM

Sure... a few observations... there were, once in my like a few songs that were my holy grail... songs I heard over the past many decades, that I could not find a word or two or the words to... all of which, I have found here. One, I had been writing to a prof at the University of Liverpool, a folklorist who put a grad student on the question as it haunted him as well, and sure enough, the answer turnd up on Mudcat. Where else could you find in the course of a few hours, the difinition of a middle jimp. In fact, in many ways Mudcat is getting more successful at creating a community of music as the triumph of the CD proves... Gargoyle! Do try and get the set, you will see the golden top edge of the clowds... the clowds. Yes, things are sometimes darker. The US has declared a war which it's leaders have said we will not see the end of... projecting seventy five years of world war. These are even darker times than when we set out together. When Ashcroft says generations to follow will sing ballads about the war we are setting out upon, well, at mudcat we are singing songs with hopes that there are other ways.... this is the people's media, folk music. and so yes, I would and will stay.
Larry


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Subject: RE: BS: Veterans Would Mudcat hook you in today?
From: Rapparee
Date: 06 Jan 03 - 07:15 AM

I found Mudcat about three months ago when I was looking for lyrics to a song that the Dictionary of American Biography said didn't exist -- that its lyrics had been lost (funny, I'd heard it recorded!). 'Catters found it. I explored the DT and found the lyrics to other songs I only partially knew. I looked into some of the threads.

I joined. Not out of ego (hell, there are folks here who make me look like I play with The Backstreet Boys), but because I could still learn stuff and, perhaps, cause someone somewhere to smile. (We need more of that, smiling.)

One night on Chat I mentioned that I am currently "between engagements." The support was terrific, far more than I've gotten from anyone else except my immediate family. Why?, I wondered, and then it hit me: folkies and bluesies sing about such things and all too often experience them themselves. Empathy....

I made some mistakes, such as responding to a "Guest" in a politcally-leaning thread (and the "Guest" responded in such a supercilious way that I suspect s/he was a one-L, a first year law student full of newly acquired information but no understanding, a true "sophos moros" -- and my wife, the attorney, agreed). So I now ignore threads that don't appeal to me and contribute where I think I might.

I shall continue; there are some swell folks here (as well as some legends, like Art Thieme, and I might have been too awed to join if I knew that he was a member!).

Sorry for the lengthy message.


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Subject: RE: BS: Veterans Would Mudcat hook you in today?
From: fat B****rd
Date: 06 Jan 03 - 06:28 AM

Most definitely. I came upon this site a couple of years ago while looking up some Leadbelly info. I became a member almost immediately and have been more or less a daily visitor ever since. I don't look at every thread but if I can help with anything or a thread catches my eye then I have no hesitationin joining in. I'm not outspoken or politically motivated but I love the divergence of topics available. The best aspects are (to myself) PMs from various people and the occasional exchange of tapes, info etc. Once again, MOST DEFINITELY


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Subject: RE: BS: Veterans Would Mudcat hook you in today?
From: C-flat
Date: 06 Jan 03 - 05:00 AM

I'm sure the new folk here (myself included) find this site as interesting as the old hands did when they first came to Mudcat. I suspect that after seeing the same questions pop up, again and again, I may feel less inclined to answer or contribute, but I'm not there yet!
This site still holds a great deal of warmth, despite a handful of aggressive egos, keen to make their views known, and I've "met" some genuinely interesting and "good" people here.
Mudcat will continue to evolve as it's active members rotate but I hope you old-hands keep looking in and sharing your wisdom and humour with the rest of us.
C-flat.


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Subject: RE: BS: Veterans Would Mudcat hook you in today?
From: Cappuccino
Date: 06 Jan 03 - 04:58 AM

I was hooked because, by chance, on my very first visit, I found something I'd been searching for for years.   

It has changed, sure. And the same old topics do come up, sure - well, in a subject like this, they're bound to. But - d'you remember the incredible surge of messages and threads on the day of the WTC attack?   There was nowhere like Mudcat on that day. It was the most incredible feeling of community. And when you have a question to ask, you get a lot of informed answers.

No complaints here.

-IanB


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Subject: RE: BS: Veterans Would Mudcat hook you in today?
From: Amos
Date: 05 Jan 03 - 11:51 PM

Of course the productive course of action in such a situation is to whine about how bad it is instead of investing the effort in thinking of something that might be of interest. That would be just awfully hard, and male smoke come out of your various openings, so it's probably better you take on the important role of Critic. We all need that, don't we. And it isn't like just anyone can do it. No. It takes a certain sensibility to be a really good critic. I am sure you studies extensively and had to stay up late cramming for finals in such challenging courses as:
"Eastern and Western Styles of Bemoaning",
"High-Relief Carping in 20th Century English Speaking Peoples",
"Heavy and Light Counterpoint Whinging in Modern Groups",
"The Art of Shadowcasting" and
"The Future of Irreversible Glumness".   


Not to mention:

"Attributes of Discouragement and Its Promulgation"

and the lighterweight titles for extra credit like "The Invisible Bitcher" and "If You Can't Help Them, Rain On Their Parade: 101 Sure Fire Techniques for Making Anyone Feel Hopeless".

So you're obviously highly qualified and we should step back and let a small group of experts show us how it's done, right?

A


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Subject: RE: BS: Veterans Would Mudcat hook you in today?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 05 Jan 03 - 11:51 PM

Well, yes, I'd still stick around. It's a little harder to find than it used to be, but Mudcat has a lot of the good, solid music information that I seek. In fact, with people like Masato and Malcolm (and several others) around, it has a lot more of the solid information than it used to have.
It has also been a good place to make friends, and I've made some darn good ones. It has also helped me learn where to find the music - both at home and when I'm traveling. Mudcat is certainly worth the time and money I've put into it.
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: BS: Veterans Would Mudcat hook you in today?
From: Jeri
Date: 05 Jan 03 - 11:43 PM

Ooh, look out - here comes the essay.

I honestly don't know if I'd hang around or join. I came here in the midst of the the Catspaw crisis. I found a bunch of truly kind people. The place was full of musical savants as well as wit and warmth. The discussions were uplifting. We seemed to respect one another more - maybe because we didn't know each other well enough to have gotten on each other's nerves, maybe because we tried to show our best side here. I don't know.

I don't care for the political discussions. I didn't mind them previously and would occasionally join in. Of course, there were usually only a couple going on at any given time and they seemed secondary to the music. Now, it seems like some people only come to show off debating skills and see how many times they can rephrase the same ideas. Seems like the rule of the day is, if you don't know squat about music, have no sense of humor, dislike people in general but have a desperate need to be heard, you can still talk politics. It's about ego, not communication.

The sort of things that grew out of Mudcat have withered. Annamill's gatherings and other types of personal meetings and events just don't happen anymore - at least not with the same frequency and the same carefree feeling. You'd invite folks to your house who share a love of music. You don't want to get together with those you've been saying nasty things about in the latest bitch thread(s).

I know some of the folks I've told about Mudcat come in and look and leave without a second thought. Seems like the people who stay are those who either have a history here they don't want to give up, are hanging around waiting for the occasional gem or just like fighting.

As to the "we discussed that before" thing, I've seen it happen in real life and on newsgroups. I think the way it's supposed to work is new folks come and learn (or already know). Eventually, the same questions are asked but someone new answers. I think here, many of the newcomers aren't that interseted in folk music so they don't learn, know or care. The same folks often asnwer the same question over and over. Of course, it may just be a perception. The old-timers may just think they have to answer a question because they answered it the last time. They may not believe anyone else will jump in.

I sound awfully cynical. I just don't think there's much that would hold my attention if I just found it today, but it's hard to say. Can I imagine how I'd see Mudcat with fresh eyes or am I unable to separate myself from memories of the way the place was? I'm glad for the fact I came when I did. The feeling changes, the types of people who hang out here and the people themselves change. What I've learned about music, myself and life in general have changed me forever. The friends I've met here - some whom I know casually and some whom I love dearly - have changed me forever. Nothing ever stays the way we want it to but I think I miss the way Mudcat once was so much because it gave me so much.


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Subject: RE: BS: Veterans Would Mudcat hook you in today?
From: Deckman
Date: 05 Jan 03 - 11:21 PM

Absolutly! While it has changed somewhat since I first joined, it remains an ever evolving, vibrant site. I have learned so much from MUDCAT that I feel I should pay someone a huge sum. I do believe that this represents the very best of Bill Gates original concept regarding a "puter" in everyone's home. While the binding interest is traditional folk music, there is also so much more. For example, I now finally have a correct translation of a Finnish song I sing; I now know where Mary Garvy is; I have given people all over the world opportunities to correct my spelling; and I have located several missing folksinging friends. CHEERS and thanks MAX. Bob(deckman)Nelson


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Subject: RE: BS: Veterans Would Mudcat hook you in today?
From: gnu
Date: 05 Jan 03 - 11:11 PM

Okay, I agree. Don't have to twist my thread.


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Subject: RE: BS: Veterans Would Mudcat hook you in today?
From: DonMeixner
Date: 05 Jan 03 - 11:03 PM

Yes it would.

So what if we are a bunch of folk music geeks and many of are hacks. So what if pure scholarship is rare. So what if we can't agree on politics, political correctness, religion, phylosophy, or speling.
I'd rather spend time with most of these people here in who I don't agree with than many people I have meet in my life with no passion for living.

Like the wise man said, " A bad day of fishing in the rain is better than a sunny day at work anytime."

Don


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Subject: RE: BS: Veterans Would Mudcat hook you in today?
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 05 Jan 03 - 10:23 PM

Ya ... know...

Come to think of it...NO ONE ...I respected is around today...they 've ALL gone away...

I feel a little like Peter Pan.

Sincerely,
Gargoyle


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Subject: RE: BS: Veterans Would Mudcat hook you in today?
From: gnu
Date: 05 Jan 03 - 10:23 PM

But.... you will stay, no.... ? gee, sometimes it gets.... well.. you know.


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Subject: RE: BS: Veterans Would Mudcat hook you in today?
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 05 Jan 03 - 10:21 PM

Nope///bottum line...Nope....I would not have stayed...if it was today.

Sincerely,
Gargoyle


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Subject: RE: BS: Veterans Would Mudcat hook you in today?
From: gnu
Date: 05 Jan 03 - 10:21 PM

Thanks for dripping in Gar, your comments are always so unsightly.


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Subject: RE: BS: Veterans Would Mudcat hook you in today?
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 05 Jan 03 - 10:17 PM

Yeah, I drop in ocassionaly, now days...less and less...as I see my sparing partners....less and less.

There is NOTHING, currently available, in this present par-mutation, this "cist on the breast"....that would have previously endured me to so ademently defend the Digital Tradition repository....the original site...as I knew it pre-millenium....Max has marital problems, he needs money, the dot-coms have gone bust....give me hitsor I might go bust...(but there is life in ftp and it is abundant, fresh and pure.

Botton-Line...if it were not for the genius of Susan and Dick....I would not continue lurking in bottom-most sump-hole of this putrid hell-hole....seeking one additional bit/bite/byte to add to my own collection of Digital/ORAL Traditions

In its hay-day this was tresure-trove of forgotten lyrics and tunes.

Today, it is a caccaphony of divergent voices.

Sincerely,
Gargoyle

OK....fess up....who is the real SOB that is getting their doctorial in "abnormal psychology" from the protracted precesence of this forum?


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Subject: RE: BS: Veterans Would Mudcat hook you in today?
From: gnu
Date: 05 Jan 03 - 10:10 PM

Yup... the humour was better, but that's a challenge for each of us, no ? Rise up ! I came here seeking knowledge and would still come because the knowledge of the 'Cats is infinte... if it's not in the Digitrad, it's in some 'Cat somewhere. How could you not get hooked ?


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Subject: RE: BS: Veterans Would Mudcat hook you in today?
From: Banjer
Date: 05 Jan 03 - 09:41 PM

Back when I first got hooked on the mUdcat there was more of a humorous spirit. Discussions weren't as dark as many today seem to be, but yes, I would still allow myself to get hooked.


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Subject: RE: BS: Veterans Would Mudcat hook you in today?
From: mg
Date: 05 Jan 03 - 09:24 PM

I'm not an old-timer by any means but sure.

mg


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Subject: BS: Veterans Would Mudcat hook you in today?
From: GUEST,A. Nonnie-Nonnie
Date: 05 Jan 03 - 09:18 PM

Sorry for the annonie but I'd rather people answer this question than go after my ass personally.

Are there any Mudcat veterans out there who'd be as interested in this site today, as they were when they first came here. I used to like the political discussions but it just seems like nobody has any fresh approaches to the issues. I KNOW what most old-timers think, and I don't know the newbies well enough to CARE what they think.

There are still some interesting Music threads but so much of the information has been discussed in huge detail before. Once again it may just be that I've been here too long, but when you remember some fascinating thread really going into detail about some aspect of folk-music, and then you see a new one started with a completely wrong or superficial premise.....well sometimes it just takes too much effort to jump in and try to set it straight. It's not the newbies fault, it's just a bit of human nature rearing it's head.

Of course it could just be PMS.

A Nonnie-nonnie


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