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van lingle 05 Nov 02 - 03:42 AM
wysiwyg 05 Nov 02 - 05:32 AM
Mr Furrow 05 Nov 02 - 05:34 AM
van lingle 05 Nov 02 - 06:20 AM
Mr Furrow 05 Nov 02 - 06:24 AM
Bullfrog Jones 05 Nov 02 - 09:07 AM
wysiwyg 05 Nov 02 - 11:08 AM
George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca 05 Nov 02 - 11:25 AM
treewind 05 Nov 02 - 01:47 PM
Amos 05 Nov 02 - 02:06 PM
M.Ted 05 Nov 02 - 03:37 PM
Bullfrog Jones 06 Nov 02 - 04:33 AM
treewind 06 Nov 02 - 06:53 AM
Mr Furrow 06 Nov 02 - 07:14 AM
Declan 06 Nov 02 - 07:30 AM
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Subject: Tech: Home Redcording 101
From: van lingle
Date: 05 Nov 02 - 03:42 AM

I'd like to record directly from an analog mic to the CD/RW in my computer. Does anyone know if this is possible and if so what apparatus and software is required? Any help greatly appreciated. vl


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Subject: RE: Tech: Home Redcording 101
From: wysiwyg
Date: 05 Nov 02 - 05:32 AM

Best help I can offer is the news that there are a lot of good old threads replete with info... the search functions here should help you find some of them.

~Susan


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Subject: RE: Tech: Home Redcording 101
From: Mr Furrow
Date: 05 Nov 02 - 05:34 AM

To the best of my (limited) knowledge you can't do this. What you'll have to do is record from the mic to a .wav file and then burn that file to a CD using your usual CD burning software package.

Cheers
Jon


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Subject: RE: Tech: Home Redcording 101
From: van lingle
Date: 05 Nov 02 - 06:20 AM

Thanks, Susan and Jon. I've searched the 'cat and permathreads and didn't come up with what I need. I suppose I should reword my original request and say that I wonder if there is some way to record with an analog mic (and possibly an acoustic instrument pickup) directly into your computer and have it wind up on a CD. vl


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Subject: RE: Tech: Home Redcording 101
From: Mr Furrow
Date: 05 Nov 02 - 06:24 AM

That's the way :o)

You'll need some sort of recording s/w to get the mic input to a .wav file. Do you have that?


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Subject: RE: Tech: Home Redcording 101
From: Bullfrog Jones
Date: 05 Nov 02 - 09:07 AM

You'll need a soundcard with a mic input too, and depending on the level of sophistication you want, maybe a little mixer, so that you can balance the voice and instrument levels.

BJ


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Subject: RE: Tech: Home Redcording 101
From: wysiwyg
Date: 05 Nov 02 - 11:08 AM

I would have thought this thread (which contains links to other threads) would tell you what is possible and what is reasonable:

Technical Help: recording analog music on computer

BTW please don't confuse my brevity with bitchiness, I'm just immersed in another project and giving you what I think you may need to review for your question and any answers to it, to make sense.

~Susan


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Subject: RE: Tech: Home Redcording 101
From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca
Date: 05 Nov 02 - 11:25 AM

One thing for sure you will need is a pre-amp for the microphone. I don't think the regular microphones would work properly with the input designated Microphone on a standard sound card.

I'll have to take one of the Shure's home and try it (with a proper adapter first).


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Subject: RE: Tech: Home Redcording 101
From: treewind
Date: 05 Nov 02 - 01:47 PM

An ordinary dynamic mic will give bad results on a soundcard, becasue the levels are very low and soundcard mic inputs are inclined to be noisy, especially as they all, to some degree, pick up electrical noise from inside the PC.

An electret mic (like the one supplied with the sound card, if there was one) will be better. The sound card will supply the necessary power and electrets have much higher output.

If you need to record a guitar pickup through a separate channel, a small mixer external to the PC is a far better bet. All your mic noise problems will go away and you'll have a way of balancing the sound.

Better still perhaps, you can record each part separately and join them together, and excellent free software is now available - see the Audacity homepage.
This will take care of all your recording and mixing requirements.

I use it (under Linux, but there's a Windows version too) and it's really neat.

If you don't want to splash out for a mixer but fancy something better that the sound card's mic input, the MIDIMAN Audio Buddy is a really good low budget mic preamp, and it has proper high impedance inputs for a guitar pickup.

Anahata


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Subject: RE: Tech: Home Redcording 101
From: Amos
Date: 05 Nov 02 - 02:06 PM

Yes you can but you have to go through a two step process -- make the files from the analog input using recording software, then burn the fiiles to a CD. If you can get a Sony Minidisk recorder it makes an excellent intermediary for laying tracks down, because it is a lot quieter than the computer internally.

A


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Subject: RE: Tech: Home Redcording 101
From: M.Ted
Date: 05 Nov 02 - 03:37 PM

To a great degree, what you plug your mike into depends on what you want to have at the end of the day--it also depends on what sort of computer you have, how it is set up, and how much money you want to spend--

Basically, you need to be able to do two things: convert the analog sinal from your mike to a digital signal, and then to create digital file of that music--There are a bunch of ways to do this--

First, you could buy some kind of digital recorder(which will either hav it's own mikes or will take an analog input and convert it to a digital file) and simply upload the files to you computer where you can either process it more or just burn it to a CD--

Second, you could forget your analog mike completely and simply record it using the mike and software that comes with your computer (this is easy for MAC users to do, don't know about others) and then burn that file to a CD--

Third, you could plug your mike into an analog mixer then in to the analog input of a soundcard and record it with any one of many recording/editing programs(freeware, shareware, and payware are available)--


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Subject: RE: Tech: Home Redcording 101
From: Bullfrog Jones
Date: 06 Nov 02 - 04:33 AM

Amos, I've been wondering about mini-disc, mainly because of the noisiness of the computer (although my software allows me to sample the noise and set a filter to remove it). What format do they record in? Do you just set up the mini-disc as a drive and copy the files across?

BJ


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Subject: RE: Tech: Home Redcording 101
From: treewind
Date: 06 Nov 02 - 06:53 AM

No, you can't use the MD as a disk drive.

I'm not sure if the new USB-compatible MD recorders will do what you want either - they're geared up for copying the music the other way, I believe.

If you've got an MD recorder it may well be better to record on that, physically away from the screaming fans in the computer (that's another problem, of course). Then just hook the MD line out (or headphone socket if it doesn't have a line out) to the sound card line in to transfer to PC.

By the way, for good sound it's far better not to get noise in there in the first place - noise removal software is really for rescuing noisy recordings that you are stuck with and can't do again (like live events or old records)

Anahata


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Subject: RE: Tech: Home Redcording 101
From: Mr Furrow
Date: 06 Nov 02 - 07:14 AM

Dunno what money you've got to spend but there are a lot of small digital "portastudio" things on the market now that are digital, easy to use and far better that recording direct onto the computer from both a sound quality and ease-of-use point of view. They usually offer the ability to overdub additional tracks which is very handy too.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Home Redcording 101
From: Declan
Date: 06 Nov 02 - 07:30 AM

There's a piece of software called Real jukebox available on a free download on Real.com which you can use either with or without (I think) an intermediate step of recording to Minidisc. There are probably loads of others around, but I've used this one to copy Minidisc tracks to my PC and its fairly straightforward and it works.

Have Fun !


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Subject: RE: Tech: Home Redcording 101
From: Bullfrog Jones
Date: 06 Nov 02 - 08:26 AM

I agree with you about the noise, Treewind, which is why I was thinking about the mini-disc. What I was wondering is whether you can stay totally digital from MD to PC, but it sounds as if you have to re-record rather than just copy files.

BJ


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Subject: RE: Tech: Home Redcording 101
From: Bullfrog Jones
Date: 06 Nov 02 - 08:42 AM

I've just answered my own question by looking HERE. The answer seems to be 'no', 'maybe' or 'yes -- at a price'!

BJ


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Subject: RE: Tech: Home Redcording 101
From: Amos
Date: 06 Nov 02 - 01:22 PM

Here's what you can do with an MDR (at least my Sony MDR): you can play songs into, either through a mike or from a CD or tape recorder.

You can then play these songs into recording software. I do this using a little device called IMIC which plugs into the USB bus, and allows both mike in and speaker out jacks to be plugged into it, and has a switch for preamp or not, to handle different levels of input -- it's a small inexpensive and very useful little box.

Once the file is in a recording application - I use SoundStudio -- you can save the file off in .AIFF or other preferred format and line them up and burn a CD of them. You can also filter them, depending on the software you are using, to reduce highs, do high pass or low pass, add reverb or echo, etc., etc.

It's basically fast and simple even though there are a number of steps involved. If you get a really noisy taped song as input, you may not get all the hiss and pop out of it, again depending on software capabilities and your expertise.

Hope this helps.

ALthough I do all this on a G4 running OSX 10.1, I see no reasons not to be able to do it on a Wintel machine.


A


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Subject: RE: Tech: Home Redcording 101
From: van lingle
Date: 06 Nov 02 - 08:52 PM

Yeah, that does help,Amos. I've got access to an MDR and I'll give it a try.

Treewind, I get the impression from the Audio Buddy's site that I can take an analog mic and a guitar pickup straight into a soundcard. No?

Thanks everyone for all the helpful suggestions. vl


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