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53 14 Oct 02 - 09:14 AM
Pied Piper 14 Oct 02 - 09:18 AM
Watson 14 Oct 02 - 09:19 AM
mack/misophist 14 Oct 02 - 09:30 AM
53 14 Oct 02 - 09:47 AM
53 14 Oct 02 - 10:01 AM
Amos 14 Oct 02 - 10:33 AM
GUEST,chin music 14 Oct 02 - 11:16 AM
53 14 Oct 02 - 11:17 AM
mmm1a 14 Oct 02 - 11:24 AM
Mad4Mud 14 Oct 02 - 12:38 PM
Peter T. 14 Oct 02 - 01:10 PM
McGrath of Harlow 14 Oct 02 - 01:13 PM
Mad4Mud 14 Oct 02 - 01:33 PM
53 14 Oct 02 - 01:40 PM
GUEST 14 Oct 02 - 02:18 PM
Jerry Rasmussen 14 Oct 02 - 02:19 PM
Seamus Kennedy 14 Oct 02 - 02:22 PM
McGrath of Harlow 14 Oct 02 - 02:23 PM
Mad4Mud 14 Oct 02 - 02:38 PM
catspaw49 14 Oct 02 - 02:55 PM
GUEST,chimmusic 14 Oct 02 - 03:28 PM
GUEST 14 Oct 02 - 03:32 PM
53 14 Oct 02 - 05:45 PM
Murray MacLeod 14 Oct 02 - 05:46 PM
53 14 Oct 02 - 06:20 PM
Seamus Kennedy 15 Oct 02 - 02:59 AM
Hrothgar 15 Oct 02 - 05:08 AM
53 15 Oct 02 - 08:20 AM
JJ 15 Oct 02 - 09:12 AM
53 15 Oct 02 - 09:56 AM
53 15 Oct 02 - 10:18 AM
Jerry Rasmussen 15 Oct 02 - 11:24 AM
GUEST,Noddy 15 Oct 02 - 11:34 AM
53 15 Oct 02 - 11:35 AM
GUEST,Wull 15 Oct 02 - 11:18 PM
Mark Cohen 16 Oct 02 - 01:55 AM
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53 16 Oct 02 - 09:14 AM
Ron Olesko 16 Oct 02 - 09:38 AM
catspaw49 16 Oct 02 - 09:42 AM
Ron Olesko 16 Oct 02 - 09:52 AM
53 16 Oct 02 - 11:31 AM
Mad4Mud 16 Oct 02 - 11:52 AM
Rick Fielding 16 Oct 02 - 04:16 PM
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Subject: BS: World Series
From: 53
Date: 14 Oct 02 - 09:14 AM

Who Are you pulling for in the World Series?


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Subject: RE: BS: World Series
From: Pied Piper
Date: 14 Oct 02 - 09:18 AM

Belorus.PP


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Subject: RE: BS: World Series
From: Watson
Date: 14 Oct 02 - 09:19 AM

Well I hit the translate button, and that still doesn't mean anything to me.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Series
From: mack/misophist
Date: 14 Oct 02 - 09:30 AM

Try Belorussia. I don't much care for sports either.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Series
From: 53
Date: 14 Oct 02 - 09:47 AM

Sports are a good pastime.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Series
From: 53
Date: 14 Oct 02 - 10:01 AM

Baseball, Chevy, and apple pie all go together.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Series
From: Amos
Date: 14 Oct 02 - 10:33 AM

The Belorussians have a team?

They don't even drive Chevies.

What's their win/lose?


A


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Subject: RE: BS: World Series
From: GUEST,chin music
Date: 14 Oct 02 - 11:16 AM

It looks very much like a Giants-Angel World Series. The Angels seem to be a team of destiny, while Dusty Baker's guys should provide a good series. With all the turmoil in the game this season, baseball desperately needs a shot in the arm, but I'm only sorry we could not have seen 'Budlite' present the trophy to the Twins. It will come down to pitching, as it always does in the game of baseball, and the clubs are very close in that dept. with Nen and Persival being great closers. This time around, Barry Bonds has risen to the occasion and should be a big factor in the series. Somewhere in that big roundup in the sky, Gene Autry is smiling down as the former owner of the Angels, gets to see his club in the big dance. In closing, I think that the game of baseball has done the youth of North America a great disservice in starting the playoff games so late that the next generation of fans are snug in their beds by the start of the games. This is a subject for another thread. I like the Angels in six.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Series
From: 53
Date: 14 Oct 02 - 11:17 AM

Good answer.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Series
From: mmm1a
Date: 14 Oct 02 - 11:24 AM

ANGELS

:) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)

OK CAN YA TELL    I AM JUST A LTTLE EXCITED THEY FINALLY MADE IT.

       mmm


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Subject: RE: BS: World Series
From: Mad4Mud
Date: 14 Oct 02 - 12:38 PM

It's gotta be the ANGELS! Especially since I'm only fifteen minutes from Anaheim Stadium.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Series
From: Peter T.
Date: 14 Oct 02 - 01:10 PM

Are they having baseball again this year? I stopped noticing. yours, Peter T.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Series
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 14 Oct 02 - 01:13 PM

Do they allow teams from outside the USA to play in the "World Series"?

Ireland should maybe call the All-Ireland Hurling and Gaelic Football championship a "World Series". Or Japan could have a World Series Sumo competition...England could go for Conkers. (But the trouble for the English is that all the daft local games the English come up with get taken up by other countries that beat them at it.)


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Subject: RE: BS: World Series
From: Mad4Mud
Date: 14 Oct 02 - 01:33 PM

McGrath, Canadian teams can play in the World Series but, of course, you are right in a way. It should be called the "North American Series" at least for now.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Series
From: 53
Date: 14 Oct 02 - 01:40 PM

I've often wondered why they call it the World Series too.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Series
From: GUEST
Date: 14 Oct 02 - 02:18 PM

Heaven is in Anaheim this year!

Hope to see Cuban, Mexican and Dominican Republic teams should not be forgotten. They have furnished superb players to the major leagues for years.
I suppose they play other team sports over there across the pond. Can't think what they are, right now.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Series
From: Jerry Rasmussen
Date: 14 Oct 02 - 02:19 PM

I'm rooting for the Giants (if they make it..) I still remember hearing the radio broadcast of Bobby Thomson's World Series winning home run when I was in high school. I went to see the Mets their first year (not because I'm a Mets fan) but because I wanted to see the Polo Grounds before they tore it down. With Willie Mays playing center field, using a walker...

I would have cracked up if Minnesota had won the championship series. What sweet revenge that would have been. My ideal World Series? That's easy. The Twins and the Pirates. I came to New York City in the fall of 1960, and was the only Pirate fan in my dorm. They had a common tv that everyone watched, and I had bets going against many loud-mouthed, self-deluding Yankee fans. When Mazeroski hit the home run, I went balistic, in a room stuffed full of angry Yankee Fans. Ah, to be young, brave and stupid again...

Jerry


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Subject: RE: BS: World Series
From: Seamus Kennedy
Date: 14 Oct 02 - 02:22 PM

I hope the Angels win, and I hope Barry Bonds goes through his entire career without a World Series ring.

Seamus


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Subject: RE: BS: World Series
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 14 Oct 02 - 02:23 PM

Are Cuban teams allowed in to play? What about when they have a home game against a USA team? Or doesn't it work that way?


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Subject: RE: BS: World Series
From: Mad4Mud
Date: 14 Oct 02 - 02:38 PM

McGrath, the "World Series" which as you mentioned is just presently between North American baseball teams pits the winner of the National League against the winner of the American League. The Angels just won the AL yesterday and the Giants and Cardinals are still playing to see who will win the NL. Cuba does not have a team in either the AL or the NL.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Series
From: catspaw49
Date: 14 Oct 02 - 02:55 PM

So Seamus, am I to believe you are not a Barry Bonds fan? LOL.....I tend to agree but I'm also sure that with or without it, his place in the Hall of Fame is waiting. I have grown to hate the Hall of Fame in recent years. When I look back upon the numbers who are deserving of the recognition and yet are not there, it pisses me off no end. Anymore MLB pisses me off as well........Why am I bothering to post here?

Funny thing.....It used to be we had good baseball and shitty movies about baseball. Nowadays we have some exceptional movies and some pretty unheroic baseball. Maybe during the Series I'll watch Bull Durham, Major League, Field of Dreams, A League of Their Own, Eight Men Out, and the incomparable 61*, Billy Crystal's excellent work.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: World Series
From: GUEST,chimmusic
Date: 14 Oct 02 - 03:28 PM

Hey, Jerry, I was in high school when that 1960 Pirate-Yankee World Series occured. I was not a Bucs' fan, persay, but anybody beating the Yankeees warmed my heart. You had to be mighty strong to hit a homer out of Forbes Field in the alleys in those days. Also, I remember how sad it was to see Willie Mays(perhaps the greatest all round player of our time)stumble in the outfield, trying to catch a fly ball when he was with the Mets, that he would have put in his back pocket years ago. Ah, Father Time catches up to us all, it's just that being on the world's stage(sports and entertainment particularly) makes it very sad to watch. Jerry, being from Toronto, I was able to catch some Pirate games on the radio, and listening to Bob Prince was such a treat. A homer, to be sure, but such fun to listen to. Those were the days, my friend.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Series
From: GUEST
Date: 14 Oct 02 - 03:32 PM

McGrath, several Latin American countries have good players, some of whom are good enough to play in the USA major leagues and do play there. They have leagues in their own countries, but smaller populations, other major interests such as soccer football and lack of the millions-billions of dollars involved in American baseball, would prevent them from competing on the American level.
Baseball is big in Japan, and a few players have made it to the American major leagues.

The Cuban situation is amusing; the players "defect." Every Cuban, in fact, who defects and makes it ashore can stay in the USA; this has made Florida into a major Latin American "country."

Mentioning the obvious, many of the top Latin American soccer players work in European leagues and only play for their country in competitions outside of league play. The same with ice hockey; top players come to the American leagues to get big money, sometimes in the millions, but play for their country in the Olympics, etc.

Forgive me the remark about "other team sports," soccer football is very popular in American schools and in not too many years, I think professional soccer will be as big in North America as it is elsewhere.

All of which comes down to the fact that big sport is big business. In the first days of baseball, before the farm systems, many teams were local, and rooting for the "home team" meant something. It is, I think, a big joke today. I watch professional sports sometimes (tem minutes of Monday Night Football on TV is usually a prelude to two hours of napping in the easy chair) just to marvel at the ability of top players, but I can't get serious about them.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Series
From: 53
Date: 14 Oct 02 - 05:45 PM

refresh


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Subject: RE: BS: World Series
From: Murray MacLeod
Date: 14 Oct 02 - 05:46 PM

"this has made Florida into a major Latin American "country."

Not really, but it has made Miami into a major Latin American city.

Murray


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Subject: RE: BS: World Series
From: 53
Date: 14 Oct 02 - 06:20 PM

Hope the series goes to 7 games no matter who is playing.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Series
From: Seamus Kennedy
Date: 15 Oct 02 - 02:59 AM

So Seamus, am I to believe you are not a Barry Bonds fan? LOL

Spaw, ol' buddy, you're right.
And as a diehard Red Sox fan for the last 30 years (there's 30 years off MY purgatory!) I know that Ted Williams never won a World Series ring. Now, he was not a particularly nice person when he was playing, and neither is Barry Bonds. Both truly great ballplayers, and eminently worthy of Hall of Fame enshrinement, but with all their records, homers, batting average etc., they didn't win the big one.
And I hope Barry never does.

Seamus

PS Where's Fielding on this debate? I mean Rick, not glovework.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Series
From: Hrothgar
Date: 15 Oct 02 - 05:08 AM

Spaw,

If you really get lucky, somebody might show the Ken Burns series on baseball again. Even to a cricket/rugby fan in another country, that was a tremendous series.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Series
From: 53
Date: 15 Oct 02 - 08:20 AM

looks like a california series instead of a subway series.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Series
From: JJ
Date: 15 Oct 02 - 09:12 AM

Jerry, if you saw Willie Mays play in the Polo Grounds during the Mets' first season in 1962, you saw him play for the San Francisco Giants. He hit .304 that year with 49 home runs.

He didn't need the walker until he came to the Mets in 1972 to finish out his career, and by then they had long played in Shea Stadium.

A section of the outfield wall of Forbes Field still stands in the Oakland section of Pittsburgh, and a plaque embedded in the sidewalk marks the spot over which Bill Mazeroski's home run passed.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Series
From: 53
Date: 15 Oct 02 - 09:56 AM

that neat about the spot where Mazeroskis home run passed over the fence.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Series
From: 53
Date: 15 Oct 02 - 10:18 AM

San Francisco in 6 games anyone else have a prediction?


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Subject: RE: BS: World Series
From: Jerry Rasmussen
Date: 15 Oct 02 - 11:24 AM

JJ... so much for memory... I think that Willie was playing Center Field for the Mets, but clearly it wasn't their first year. The movie The Bronx Tale has the play by play of the '60 World series on in the background, early in the movie... brought back good memories.

Jerry


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Subject: RE: BS: World Series
From: GUEST,Noddy
Date: 15 Oct 02 - 11:34 AM

So far no one has explained why it is called The World Series.

Anyone out there know


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Subject: RE: BS: World Series
From: 53
Date: 15 Oct 02 - 11:35 AM

No not really


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Subject: RE: BS: World Series
From: GUEST,Wull
Date: 15 Oct 02 - 11:18 PM

It is amazing how excited the Americans get over a game of "Rounders".


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Subject: RE: BS: World Series
From: Mark Cohen
Date: 16 Oct 02 - 01:55 AM

I think it's called the World Series for the same reason we have the "World Heavyweight Champion" in boxing. In the early decades of the last century, Americans were, believe it or not, even more insular and jingoistic than they are now. (I don't know when the first World Series was played, and don't feel like looking it up at the moment, but it must have been before 1919, the year of the "Black Sox" scandal.) Since nobody else in the world was playing baseball, it was clear to any American that the best team in the U.S. was the best team in the world. And since then, we've kind of gotten used to the name.

I was 6 when I watched Mazeroski's home run, so I didn't quite know what was happening. All I remember is seeing lots and lots of confetti flying through the air on the TV! Four years later, though, I suffered through the Phillies' agonizing final 10-game losing streak when the pennant was in their grasp.

When I lived in Hilo, our local radio station broadcast the Giants games, so I became a Giants fan (they were always my second favorite team anyway). Here in Honolulu I haven't found MLB on the radio....and you know what? I don't miss it. I only liked listening to the games because it reminded me of being a kid.

Aloha,
Mark


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Subject: RE: BS: World Series
From: Chanteyranger
Date: 16 Oct 02 - 03:32 AM

Bigtime Giants fan here! My father took me to my first game in 1960. What a team they had in the early 60s - Mays, McCovey, Cepeda, Marichal, Perry, Felipe and Matty Alou (though before Matty developed into a star), golden glove third baseman Jim Davenport, but were usually one good pitcher short of putting them in first place...and then in the mid-60s management began their series of what became signature disastrous trades. New management has made a few mistakes, but obviously more good deals made up for the bad ones, and they are committed to winning by bringing in players during the season who can fill in the gaps. So here they are, on top of the NL. Go Giants! Prediction on a winner? No prediction. The Angels are damn good. It's going to be very competitive.

Chanteyranger


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Subject: RE: BS: World Series
From: GUEST,chinmusic
Date: 16 Oct 02 - 09:04 AM

Well,chanteyranger, I can relate to early memories of baseball. In the mid sixties, my brother and I went over to Detroit from Toronto and saw the hated Yanks play the Tigers. Denny MacLain grooved one to Mickey Mantle and he hit in the upper deck. It was a big thrill for me. I remember those early Giants teams, with guys like Leon Wagner, Willie Kirkland, and the rest of the Giants you mentioned. I just wonder what Willie Mays stats would have wound up if he had not had to play in Candelstick Park. A lot of flyballs were knocked down by the winds in that park, so his HR's totals would have been much higher. The Angels-Giants series should be a good one, and I really don't have a rooting interest here, other than I hope it is good baseball. The Met-Yankee series didn't draw the big audience on tv like they thought it would, so I'm wondering if the west coast series will be the same. Being an American League fan, because of the Blue Jays, I guess I'm pulling for the Angels, but I also like Dusty Baker a lot. So, may the best team win, and I would like to hear Jack Brickhouse say once more, "The Giants Win The Serires, The Giants Win The Series." Too bad, he's passed away.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Series
From: 53
Date: 16 Oct 02 - 09:14 AM

I'll be pulling for the Giants, since they beat both of my teams.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Series
From: Ron Olesko
Date: 16 Oct 02 - 09:38 AM

Don't get hung up on the name "World" series. It isn't meant to be a sign of superiority or anything, it is simply a brand name.

It's pretty simple as to why it is called the World Series. When the American and National Leagues decided to have the first championship back in 1903(I may be off by a year or two), there were NO other organized leagues in other countries. Baseball may have been played by missionaries or ex-patriots in other countries, but the sport was just being introduced.

As a marketing ploy, the series was dubbed "The World Series" to attract AMERICAN audiences to the event.   The National League had been around for a number of years but the American League was just getting off the ground.   The legendary John McGraw once refused to have his NL champ Giants play against the upstart league.

The name stuck. Now there are a number of countries that have leagues, notably Japan and Korea. I believe there is also a league in Italy and I think the Australian league is still together (although on shaky ground from what I've heard). The Caribbean countries have several winter leagues.   U.S. teams have played "series" against these teams, although these were sanctioned as exhibitions. The disparity between level of play has diminished over the years and I wouldn't be surprised if one day an "International Series" will take place. The name World Series will be forever linked to the championship of Major League baseball in the U.S.    While it may seem strange to other countries, the World Series is as American as apple pie.

I am very happy to see the Angels finally make it to the big dance, but - Go Giants!!!!!

Ron


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Subject: RE: BS: World Series
From: catspaw49
Date: 16 Oct 02 - 09:42 AM

Funny thing.......For those of us who grew up with baseball in the 50's and 60's, and outside of New York, we now tend to use the phrase "the hated Yankees," and indeed they were for many of us. But for me and most of my friends, ardent Indians fans all, there still wasn't a one of us who couldn't quote the Yankee roster and more to the point, every damn one of us wanted to be "The Mick!" When they passed out numbers in Little League, the one we all sought was #7.......We were too late for DiMaggio, and he wasn't the same kind of guy. Mickey Mantle was the epitome of a baseball player, those massive forearms powering 500 foot home runs......We didn't know much of his personal life, we just knew that if we could, any of us would have played Center Field for the hated Yankees.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: World Series
From: Ron Olesko
Date: 16 Oct 02 - 09:52 AM

Very true Spaw. I grew up in the suburbs of NYC. I came of baseball age just as the Mets were born and I guess the young subversive in me decided to go with the underdog. My lifelong hatred of all things NY Yankees was born. Sorry for my intolerence. For years I drove around with a bumper sticker that said "Warning: I don't Brake For Yankee Fans".

But it is true about the fascination with the Yankees, even among the Yankee haters. There was something about #7 that everyone wanted that number. I did too, but I wanted it because it was also Ed Kranepools number!!

Ron


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Subject: RE: BS: World Series
From: 53
Date: 16 Oct 02 - 11:31 AM

Mickey Mantle hit a 585ft. HR in Yankee Stadium and that was quite a feat.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Series
From: Mad4Mud
Date: 16 Oct 02 - 11:52 AM

Bob, here's my prediction: Angels in 5!!! They always seem to give up one game then power through. Go Halos!!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: World Series
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 16 Oct 02 - 04:16 PM

Hi Seamus.....yeah, I'm here, but a VERERRRY bad childhood memory has been brought up.

Maz

Poor Ralph Terry.

I'm really TRYING to get into this series but it's difficult.

Cheers

Rick


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Subject: RE: BS: World Series
From: Ron Olesko
Date: 16 Oct 02 - 04:26 PM

Rick, please don't tell me you are a Yankee fan! My image of you is crushed!!!!!   :)

Ralph Terry - finished his career with the Mets!!!

Ron


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Subject: RE: BS: World Series
From: Seamus Kennedy
Date: 16 Oct 02 - 04:38 PM

As a Red Sox and American League fan, I really don't care who wins the World Series, as long as it's not the Yankees or the Giants.
I have to admit I would love to have seen Bud Selig present the trophy to the Twins in their locker-room after they'd come from almost being "contracted" to win the Series. I can but dream.
By the way, is baseball close to achieving "parity" like the NFL?
Just look at the final 4.

Seamus


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Subject: RE: BS: World Series
From: YOR
Date: 16 Oct 02 - 05:33 PM

GO METS!


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Subject: RE: BS: World Series
From: 53
Date: 16 Oct 02 - 05:50 PM

Does everybody wind up with the METS?


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