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Steve Parkes 15 Jul 02 - 10:14 AM
MMario 15 Jul 02 - 10:38 AM
George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca 15 Jul 02 - 10:55 AM
Jack the Sailor 15 Jul 02 - 11:01 AM
C-flat 15 Jul 02 - 11:31 AM
Jack the Sailor 15 Jul 02 - 11:46 AM
GUEST,Foe 15 Jul 02 - 12:42 PM
Jerry Rasmussen 15 Jul 02 - 01:14 PM
alanabit 15 Jul 02 - 01:20 PM
Snuffy 15 Jul 02 - 08:09 PM
Jeri 15 Jul 02 - 08:45 PM
Mark Clark 15 Jul 02 - 09:10 PM
Steve Parkes 16 Jul 02 - 03:27 AM
Mark Cohen 16 Jul 02 - 03:52 AM
Sandra in Sydney 16 Jul 02 - 09:38 AM
Steve Parkes 17 Jul 02 - 12:19 PM
Genie 17 Jul 02 - 01:05 PM
alison 17 Jul 02 - 09:05 PM
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Subject: Int'l Songwriting Com: serious?
From: Steve Parkes
Date: 15 Jul 02 - 10:14 AM

I got this e-mail today:
THE INTERNATIONAL SONGWRITING COMPETITION invites you to enter your songs now to win a Grand Prize of $5,000 in cash and $20,000 in merchandise/services and a chance to have your music heard by the music industry's top decision makers and musicians!
A total of $60,000 in prizes will be shared by 27 winners. All musicians, bands, songwriters, and solo artists are invited to participate!
ISC is a new annual songwriting competition that provides the opportunity for both aspiring and established songwriters to have their songs heard in a professional, international arena and gain the kind of exposure needed to further their careers.


And the website is http://www.songwritingcompetition.com. They seem to be legitimate: there are a few references to it on the net. But when I got to "send $30" I began to wonder. They have a lot of big-name sponsors, so why are they asking for money? I'm not suggesting they're dishonest: I don't know if they are or not, and I accepot they may well be as straight as the day is long. Any 'catters able to shed light?

Steve


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Subject: RE: Int'l Songwriting Com: serious?
From: MMario
Date: 15 Jul 02 - 10:38 AM

Considering that *I* also got this e-mail; well , I would have my doubts about the competition as a whole.


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Subject: RE: Int'l Songwriting Com: serious?
From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca
Date: 15 Jul 02 - 10:55 AM

Standard SPAM e-mails promising something for practically nothing. I don't know that I didn't get it. After reading the first line, I delete all such messages. Ignore.


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Subject: RE: Int'l Songwriting Com: serious?
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 15 Jul 02 - 11:01 AM

The website seems as if it might be legit. Its pretty common for songwriting contests toi have an entry fee nowadays but $30.00 is one of the more expensive I have seen.

If you decide to enter please let us know how it goes.


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Subject: RE: Int'l Songwriting Com: serious?
From: C-flat
Date: 15 Jul 02 - 11:31 AM

Any legitimate organisation wouldn't ask for "up-front" money in this way.
I smell a rat!


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Subject: RE: Int'l Songwriting Com: serious?
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 15 Jul 02 - 11:46 AM

The Kerrville folk festival, New Folk Competition, asks for $15.00, they are quite legit. I met many of this year's finalists. It takes a lot of resources to judge one of these things.


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Subject: RE: Int'l Songwriting Com: serious?
From: GUEST,Foe
Date: 15 Jul 02 - 12:42 PM

The American Song Festival that ran out of Hollywood, CA, in the 70s was legit. I worked for them and we had 27,000 entrants. Songs were judged by music business people that passed songs up to the next level of judging. The top winners were chosen by 20 judges sitting in a room and listening to the finalists in each catagory and voting 1 thru 20 in score. Unfortunatly the really good songs were disliked by some and loved by others so the songs would get a 20 from some and a 1 from others giving it an average of 13/14. The winners would be songs that were pretty good and got a 17 from everybody. The songs that got placed with artists by the judges were usually the ones that were 1/4 finalists. Judges could request the name of the writer from the code # on the tape and after the contest the writer was contacted by judge. The cost was $14.85 for the first category entered (folk, country, easy listening) and $7.50 for each second category. Theory was that if the fee was an even number people would put bills in the envelopes and if postal workers knew there was cash coming through much would end up missing. The odd fee made people send in checks or money orders. Contest went on for a number of years but after a while the same people ended up being finalists year after year and entries fell off.


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Subject: RE: Int'l Songwriting Com: serious?
From: Jerry Rasmussen
Date: 15 Jul 02 - 01:14 PM

I read my notice, and immediately deleted it. Any competition that I have any chance of winning is bound to go bankrupt. :-)

Jerry


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Subject: RE: Int'l Songwriting Com: serious?
From: alanabit
Date: 15 Jul 02 - 01:20 PM

I got it too and wondered. In fact the entry fee is fifty dollars plus thirty for each subsequent song. As the idea is for the organisers to make a promo CD and then hawk it around the music business, my feeling is that it is not solely preoccupied with finding high quality songs. Having read the previous posts, I will delete the message.


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Subject: RE: Int'l Songwriting Com: serious?
From: Snuffy
Date: 15 Jul 02 - 08:09 PM

I got it too - seems to have come to a hell of a lot of Catters on both sides of the pond. Somebody been trawling the resources pages on the Cat?

WassaiL! V


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Subject: RE: Int'l Songwriting Com: serious?
From: Jeri
Date: 15 Jul 02 - 08:45 PM

I got it too. Alanabit, what their web page says is it's $30 for the first submission and $20 for each one after that. (I say "submission," because you can enter the song in more than one category.) Alan, I wonder if you got the same spam I got.

At that cost to submit songs, they'll probably make quite a bit more than the $5,000 grand prize plus the eight $1,000 first prizes. I also don't think what most of us write (and possibly music in general) can be adequately judged by a bunch of pop music VIPs or that I'd even want to write something that might do well. What GUEST, Foe said - if a person takes chances with songs, somebody could love them but somebody could hate them. It's the ones that most people think are just OK that would do well.


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Subject: RE: Int'l Songwriting Com: serious?
From: Mark Clark
Date: 15 Jul 02 - 09:10 PM

Yeah, it was spam but then I think that was the first piece of spam I've received that I thought came because of my Mudcat participation. Not bad for five years of interesting banter.

My impression is that they will actually give you the money if you win. What I expect they really are after is sixty thousand songs or so that cost them an average of a buck each that they now own and can use as they wish.

Oh, I hope I'm not being overly suspicious. <g>

      - Mark


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Subject: RE: Int'l Songwriting Com: serious?
From: Steve Parkes
Date: 16 Jul 02 - 03:27 AM

We could do this ourselves, couldn't we? All send in a song with a dollar (or other nominal sum) and give a modest prize to the winner, then give the rest to Mudcat. Or just send your dollar!

Steve


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Subject: RE: Int'l Songwriting Com: serious?
From: Mark Cohen
Date: 16 Jul 02 - 03:52 AM

BMI has my email address, so maybe it came from that list? I think it's probably legitimate, but not worth the time or money for me at this time. Under other circumstances, perhaps if I'd written more than one song in the last 10 years, and hadn't just had knee surgery and been closing my practice and getting ready to move, I'd probably consider it. And maybe I still will. (Will still? Shall yet? Oh, the heck with it.)

Aloha,
Mark


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Subject: RE: Int'l Songwriting Com: serious?
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 16 Jul 02 - 09:38 AM

I received it too & I'm not a songwriter!! It came via the address on my folk club website, & was one of 2 pieces of crap/spam I received last night. The second was just as mis-directed as it asked me to pay $AUD247 to attend a seminar to make my Yellow pages phone directory advertising more effective & I'm not a business either & would never have the money to put anything in the yellow pages!! In fact our next concert is to make money to pay the public liability insurance the hall owners demand.

Both spams very politely said I could unsubscribe as they were good corporate citizens & would never intrude on anyone's privacy (drum roll, kazoo noises), so I hit the button on the Australian spam & it replied to a Canadian? address [listremove@exit.com.cn - anyone ever heard of this?] so I deleted the reply. I'm very new on the net & haven't yet learned to just delete the crap immediately, but I will from now on.

Sandra the cynic


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Subject: RE: Int'l Songwriting Com: serious?
From: Steve Parkes
Date: 17 Jul 02 - 12:19 PM

It's all very well "unsubscribing" from a bona fide list (and when did we subscribe, anyway?), but you don't know whether you're opening the door to a website that will rip off lots of stuff fom your pc, or send you a virus. The spam primer is a good place to find out more about spam what to do with it.

Steve


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Subject: RE: Int'l Songwriting Com: serious?
From: Genie
Date: 17 Jul 02 - 01:05 PM

Mark C., I'm with you. If nothing else, folks who collect these songs for perusal and judging will now have a lot of hook lines and other short bits that they can now use without having to acknowledge origins or pay royalties on. It's so easy, for that matter, to modify a whole song enough that it would be hard (not to mention costly) to prove that the "new" song was explicitly derivative.

Steve, I like your idea! And thanks for the Spam Primer link, too.


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Subject: RE: Int'l Songwriting Com: serious?
From: alison
Date: 17 Jul 02 - 09:05 PM

yep sandra, I got it over here too....... must be hitting the folk club addresses...

slainte

alison


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Subject: RE: Int'l Songwriting Com: serious?
From: greg stephens
Date: 17 Jul 02 - 09:24 PM

I aalways delete this stuff without a thought. Maybe missing something but what the hell. Whoever heard of a good song winning a son-writing competition, anyway? (Ducks as shower of messages arrive saying what competitions Bob Dylan and Cole Porter won).


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Subject: RE: Int'l Songwriting Com: serious?
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 18 Jul 02 - 09:15 AM

Steve Parkes - many thankyous for the link.

sandra


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