Subject: Edmund Fitzgerald sound-alike From: GUEST Date: 20 May 02 - 07:37 PM I know that there's a song out there that has the same tune as "The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald," but a bit more of a folk-ey sound, as well as a chorus. I just don't remember anything else about it. Anyone know what I'm talking about? -J |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Edmund Fitzgerald sound-alike From: Barry Finn Date: 20 May 02 - 07:43 PM Search fourm & DT for "Wish I Were Back Home In Derry".Barry This link (click) provided by Joe Clicker... |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Edmund Fitzgerald sound-alike From: GUEST Date: 20 May 02 - 08:12 PM I just did. Nothing showed. Any other suggestions? -J |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Edmund Fitzgerald sound-alike From: GUEST Date: 20 May 02 - 08:19 PM Nevermind. Found it. Don't know why it didn't show when I typed it in. Thanks! -J |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Edmund Fitzgerald sound-alike From: MartinRyan Date: 20 May 02 - 08:20 PM Try this. Regards |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Edmund Fitzgerald sound-alike From: Peg Date: 20 May 02 - 08:44 PM Barry beat me to it!!! This is a great song and fun to sing and to listen to.
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Edmund Fitzgerald sound-alike From: InOBU Date: 21 May 02 - 07:53 AM Hi Peg! I have a different take on the song being fun to sing. I have a twin, to whom I am not related, who is so like me, that his sister Liz mistook me for him, so close she has jabbing me in the ribbs, and it took several minutes before she believed that I was not Tony joking with her. Well, Tony and I became close friends, and really like brothers. His brother Patsy O'Hara died on the same hungerstrike as the writer of this song, Bobby Sands. Tony was Bobby's cellmate at the time he wrote the song. I can't see it as a fun song to sing. It was written while those in Long Kesh concentration camp where held naked in concrete cold cells, in their own filth, as in order to be allowed to clean out the bucket that was their toilet, they would have to put on a prison uniform and acknowelge that the jailing without trial was a legal action. The words are in no way subtle, when Sands refers to the Irish convicts in their own slime, that, to those of us who intimately know what happened, brings up a host of real horrors which Irish people suffered at the hands of a uncaring colonial power - cavitiy searches used as humiliation and punishment, it would take a book to explain why this is not a fun song to sing, and I shudder when, in Irish American pubs, it is sung causaly with no understanding. All the best Larry |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Edmund Fitzgerald sound-alike From: Big Mick Date: 21 May 02 - 04:02 PM I agree, Larry. This song is one of my signature songs and is included on our CD. We open it by reading "The Kings Threshhold" by Yeats. The association is obvious: He pleaded for his poet's rights. I said that I was the King, and all rights had their original fountain is some King. My Bishops, Soldiers, and Makers of Law, all shouted their approval. But the Seanachan went for, and from that hour until this has eaten nothing. He has chosen to die, refusing eat or drink. Aaach, disgrace upon me. The common people, for all time, will refuse to cross the threshhold, even though it be the King's. We had a thread on this a long time ago. It is very interesting to read as it takes all the twists and turns. Try going to the supersearch and typing BACK HOME IN DERRY into the box and search just the Forum. This link (click) provided by Joe Clicker... |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Edmund Fitzgerald sound-alike From: Big Mick Date: 21 May 02 - 05:44 PM OOPS! What the hell was I thinking? The last line of the Yeats poem above should read: The common people, for all time, will raise a cry against the threshold, even though it be the Kings.> |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Edmund Fitzgerald sound-alike From: Teribus Date: 22 May 02 - 05:33 AM Thanks for the words of the song Martin!
Had a look round and came up with the following in answer to a search for "Convict Ships Australia"
Charles Bateson's "The Convict Ships 1787-1868" is regarded as the definitive guide to Australia's period of transportation. Information is given about the voyages to New South Wales, Norfolk Island, Tasmania, Victoria, Queensland and Western Australia. It ranges from the life on board for both crew and convict, right through to records of deaths, numbers of convicts and the length of each voyage. A comprehensive index of the convict voyages has been extracted from Bateson's text and is presented on our convict shipping pages.
Transported convicts were handed over to the master of a ship at the beginning of the voyage and formally transfered into the custody of the Governor of the colony who was receiving them. Indents, or Indentures, were the documents used to record the transaction on arrival.
Conditions on Board Convicts were housed below decks on the prison deck and often further confined behind bars. In many cases they were restrained in chains and were only allowed on deck for fresh air and exercise. Conditions were cramped and they slept on hammocks. Very little information seems to be available about the layout of the convict ships, but a few books do contain artists' impressions and reproductions of images held in library collections.
Although the convicts of the first fleet arrived in relatively good condition, the same cannot be said for those that followed during the rest of the century. Cruel masters, harsh discipline and scurvy, dysentry and typhoid resulted in a huge loss of life.
After the English authorities began to review the system in 1801 the ships were despatched twice a year, at the end of May and the beginning of September, to avoid the dangerous winters of the southern hemisphere. Surgeons employed by the early contractors had to obey to the master of the ship and on later voyages were replaced by independent Surgeon Superintendents whose sole responsibility was for the well being of the convicts. As time went on, successful procedures were developed and the surgeons were supplied with explicit instructions as to how life on board was to be organised. By then the charterers were also paid a bonus to land the prisoners safe and sound at the end of the voyage.
By the time the exiles were being transported in the 1840s and onwards, a more enlightened routine was in place which even included the presence on board of a Religious Instructor to educate the convicts and attend to their spiritual needs. The shipboard routines on some of the Western Australian transports during the 1860s have been transcribed and are worth reading.
I had a look through the voyage listings mentioned above and came up with a total of 862 (634 from UK mainland ports almost exclusively on the south coast; 214 mainly from the ports of Cork and Dublin; 14 voyages with no port of departure identified). Odd thing was there was no voyage to Australia by a convict ship in 1803 and none at all from Derry or Londonderry as I suppose it would have been called then - mind you there was a war on and Nelson was chasing Villeneuve around the oceans that would have been on their route - so perhaps a bit of artistic license is allowed as he had to find something that would rhyme with "sea". The other thing that surprised me was how few the number of deaths en-route, but that is explained above. Another oddity was that transportation to Van Deimans Land (Tasmania) did not start until later and seems to have been used to transport prisoners from English prisons - unless prisoners were transferred which would seem strange, as it must have been easier to take the ship to the port nearest to where the prisoners were being held. But it was fascinating reading.
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Edmund Fitzgerald sound-alike From: GUEST,Declan Date: 22 May 02 - 05:39 AM 1803 was the year of Robert Emmet's abortive rebellion in Dublin and fits in with the vision of Bold Emmet dying later in the song. So I think he was taking political rather than poetic licence. |
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