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Clinton Hammond 18 May 02 - 04:22 PM
Joe Offer 18 May 02 - 04:44 PM
Jock Morris 18 May 02 - 05:10 PM
Clinton Hammond 18 May 02 - 05:20 PM
Jon Freeman 18 May 02 - 08:04 PM
Jon Freeman 18 May 02 - 08:05 PM
michaelr 19 May 02 - 03:42 AM
Hrothgar 19 May 02 - 04:44 AM
Jon Freeman 19 May 02 - 05:26 AM
Clinton Hammond 19 May 02 - 12:17 PM
tooligan 19 May 02 - 03:08 PM
Jon Freeman 19 May 02 - 06:42 PM
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Subject: Clarification actually... Mary Mac?
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 18 May 02 - 04:22 PM

We need a thread title "Lyric Clarification"... for when ya don't need the lyrics to a song posted, ya just wanna little help in a couple of spots...

O.k... Mary Mac right? Ummm... the line kinda goes...

"Up among the heather in the hill of ???
I had a wee girl sitting on my knee"

Can someone help fill in the ?? marks?

;-)


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Clarification actually... Mary Mac?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 18 May 02 - 04:44 PM

Hi, Clinton - this song causes some confusion because there is no uniform spelling for "Mary Mack." Try a search for up among the heather and you'll come up with some interesting results, including Lyrics To Mari Mac and Up Among the Heather, and Lyr req: Mari-Mac (Great Big Sea).
That last thread indicates that what you're thing of may be a medley of "Mary Mack" and "Up Among the Heather.
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Clarification actually... Mary Mac?
From: Jock Morris
Date: 18 May 02 - 05:10 PM

Definitely not a line from the Mary Mack that I know.

Scott


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Clarification actually... Mary Mac?
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 18 May 02 - 05:20 PM

How does one use wild cards in searches here? That would make things a LOT more efficient...


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Clarification actually... Mary Mac?
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 18 May 02 - 08:04 PM

For the DT and Forum search, one reads and understands this (click). I'm not sure that any of the other searches support wild cards.

Jon


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Clarification actually... Mary Mac?
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 18 May 02 - 08:05 PM

Sorry, this

Jon


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Clarification actually... Mary Mac?
From: michaelr
Date: 19 May 02 - 03:42 AM

Yes, Jon, one reads... but UNDERSTANDS? Not this left-brained folkie...

Michael


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Clarification actually... Mary Mac?
From: Hrothgar
Date: 19 May 02 - 04:44 AM

I've always known it as "the hill of Benachie." Someone in Scotland might have a better geographical knowledge of the point concerned. Ben Achie? Something like that?


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Subject: Mudcat Search Hints
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 19 May 02 - 05:26 AM

Michael, I was being a little sarcastic when I said that. I can't pretend I understand it although I probably would if I had the time to work through some example searches, although I'm not sure, the Verity system Mudcat uses has been known to fail to find items on simple searches for reasons no one I'm aware of have been able to explain - doesn't make working out whether your search is right or wrong on more complicated searches when you know there may be bugs...

What follows is a combination of experience and guesswork based on the documentation. Keeping things simple, the documentation says it supports the wild cards * and ? (and others).

* Matches anygroup of characters so Mud* should match Mudcat and Mudcatters

? Matches a single character so Mud??? should match Mudcat but not match Mudcatters. Ma?y shoul match Mary and Many, etc.

The default search appears to be for a phrase (last thats how it works when I try it) so searching for Mudcat Gathering would find Mudcat Gathering but would fail to find Mudcat Spring Gathering.

A way of searching for 2 words or phrases is to use boolean operators.

AND Requires both keywords or phrases to be present, e.g. Mudcat AND Gathering would find Mudcat Gathering, Mudcat Spring Gathering, and any other document that contained both words.

OR Requires either keyword/phrase to be present, e.g. Mudcat OR Gathering would find all documents containg Mudcat and All documents containing Gathering.

Coming back to the wildcards, you could use them with the boolean operators above, e.g. a search for Mud* AND Max should find documents containing Max and Mudcat as well as documents containing Max and Mudcatters, etc.

Quotation Marks, as you will have noted above, certain words such as AND have special meanings, to avoid them being interpreted in this way, use quotes, e.g. if you wanted to search for the phrase Max and Mudcat, use "Max and Mudcat" words or phrases within quotes may be joined by the boolean operator in the same way as unquoted words/phrases.

Anyway, I think that's enough and hopefully that little bit works. Sorry I haven't got the time to test it or put together better documentation. Maybe someone knows of a well written plain English help document for the Verity system on the internet?

Jon


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Clarification actually... Mary Mac?
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 19 May 02 - 12:17 PM

Well Jon... what you just posted above SHOULD replace that babble in the link you posted...


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Clarification actually... Mary Mac?
From: tooligan
Date: 19 May 02 - 03:08 PM

It is Benachie, (Ben-a-hee) a mountain in the Grampian region in the North East of Scotland. I could see it from my window where I was brought up (Oldmeldrum) and I always think I am home when it comes into view.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Clarification actually... Mary Mac?
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 19 May 02 - 06:42 PM

In fairness Clinton, there is a lot more to Verity than I've attempted to give here and I think documenting it or even all of what may be the most useful user requirements is probably a difficult task. That said, I do wish there was more user friendly documentation and I do feel that it is better to try and make some of the arguably advanced search features accessible to many rather than to say something along the lines of "this is just for advanced searchers" which seems to have been the feeling last time I remember the subject being aired.

The help was re-written though. Here is pretty well the original document (although here it is split over a few pages) put, on this site, I think in it's intended context. I'll leave you to work out the changes.

Jon


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