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Doug Chadwick 01 May 02 - 03:01 PM
GUEST,Betty the Wasp 01 May 02 - 03:04 PM
GUEST,Peter 01 May 02 - 03:11 PM
Jim Krause 01 May 02 - 03:12 PM
Jim Krause 01 May 02 - 03:19 PM
Pseudolus 01 May 02 - 03:38 PM
Joe Offer 01 May 02 - 04:35 PM
Ebbie 01 May 02 - 04:38 PM
Dicho (Frank Staplin) 01 May 02 - 05:09 PM
greg stephens 01 May 02 - 07:25 PM
greg stephens 01 May 02 - 07:35 PM
artbrooks 01 May 02 - 07:35 PM
Mr Red 01 May 02 - 07:42 PM
Hrothgar 02 May 02 - 03:47 AM
Mr Happy 02 May 02 - 03:52 AM
Mr Happy 02 May 02 - 03:59 AM
Paddy Plastique 02 May 02 - 04:05 AM
Nigel Parsons 02 May 02 - 04:08 AM
GUEST,Argenine 02 May 02 - 04:21 AM
GUEST,Man with long hair smoking funny tobacco 02 May 02 - 09:44 AM
GUEST,Al 02 May 02 - 10:47 AM
Pseudolus 02 May 02 - 11:28 AM
Uncle_DaveO 02 May 02 - 07:23 PM
Chip2447 03 May 02 - 01:37 AM
Doug Chadwick 03 May 02 - 01:37 AM
Joe Offer 03 May 02 - 01:48 AM
Snuffy 03 May 02 - 08:27 AM
GUEST,An Pluiméir Ceolmhar 03 May 02 - 11:44 AM
GUEST,Lynn 03 May 02 - 12:50 PM
Escamillo 04 May 02 - 06:12 AM
Jon Freeman 04 May 02 - 08:44 AM
Little Hawk 04 May 02 - 11:31 PM
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Subject: Acronyms
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 01 May 02 - 03:01 PM

This is a polite request (and I emphasise the word POLITE ………. I am not trying to attack anybody, cause controversy or start a thread which will stretch to 4 parts) to all those who regularly post on the Mudcat and are familiar with Web shorthand.

I find it difficult, sometimes, to follow threads when postings contain long and (for me) complicated acronyms. For example, I had to break off in mid-thread to find out what ROFLMAO meant and then lost my place and had to re-read several posts to find out where I was supposed to be.

I've read previous threads on "LOL" and "BS: What does LOL mean" and have tried to memorise 'Spaw's list, but what hair I have got left is going grey and my memory isn't what it used to be. Even when I think I've worked out the most frequently used acronyms, I come across an example where my interpretation just doesn't fit into the context.

Come on folks! Give an old guy a break!! English is a wonderful language when used properly.


CUABWTS (can't understand a bleedin' word they're saying)
Doug C


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Subject: RE: BS: Acronyms
From: GUEST,Betty the Wasp
Date: 01 May 02 - 03:04 PM

Buzz


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Subject: RE: BS: Acronyms
From: GUEST,Peter
Date: 01 May 02 - 03:11 PM

Doug,

I have total sympathy with you.

I hate these acronyms, particularly those such as ROTFL, when the poster clearly isn't rolling on the floor...

LOL actually means 'I smiled'

However, given that this is highly unlikely to change, you might find this thread of some use.

If you can't beat them, etc....

Pete


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Subject: RE: BS: Acronyms
From: Jim Krause
Date: 01 May 02 - 03:12 PM

OK. LOL can mean two things:
  • Laughing Out Loud, or
  • Lots Of Luck
I think it usually means Laughing Out Loud, as that seems to make the most sense most of the time.

Sometimes you'll see a post that says "PM me." That is a request to send a Personal Message, or contact the Individual off-line.
Jim


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Subject: RE: BS: Acronyms
From: Jim Krause
Date: 01 May 02 - 03:19 PM

Yeah, I usually avoid using them myself.
Jim


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Subject: RE: BS: Acronyms
From: Pseudolus
Date: 01 May 02 - 03:38 PM

We have an agreement in my group at work, absolutely, positively NO TLA's....... (Three Letter Acronyms)

:)
Frank


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Subject: RE: BS: Acronyms
From: Joe Offer
Date: 01 May 02 - 04:35 PM

I spent 3 years in the U.S. Army, and 25 years as a government investigator. Now I'm retired, and I hate like heck to see acronyms at a place where I spend my leisure time.
-Joe Offer, acronympobic-


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Subject: RE: BS: Acronyms
From: Ebbie
Date: 01 May 02 - 04:38 PM

Mudcatters differ, obviously. To me, LOL usually means I'm laughing so hard I'm having trouble seeing the keyboard. But no, I have never left my chair and rolled on the floor.


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Subject: RE: BS: Acronyms
From: Dicho (Frank Staplin)
Date: 01 May 02 - 05:09 PM

I never use the damn things. Even worse are the *$#@)(**&^,.
I have no wish to know what they mean. I flamed an innocent poster who used this stuff when he was just trying to be humorously ironic.
(As a confirmed acrolectic lexicographer, Joe, I must remonstrate. Shouldn't the word be acronymophobic?)

Company names are just as bad. I bank at what used to be The Bank of Montreal. Not the bills are headed BM (bowel movement). I used to work for Standard Oil of New Jersey. Now it is Exxon (Noxxe spelled backwards?) OK, that is not an acronym, but it belongs in the same garbage bin. In Europe, they kept ESSO, a little better. My health insurer changed its name from something Mutual to Clarica- I tossed their first refund out with the junk mail.
I sent my gas bill to the electric company once as a result of this junk alphabetics nonsense.
PM? That means post-mortem. Rolgm-whatever- must be the new, improved Rolaid.


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Subject: RE: BS: Acronyms
From: greg stephens
Date: 01 May 02 - 07:25 PM

TGIWWMBT


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Subject: RE: BS: Acronyms
From: greg stephens
Date: 01 May 02 - 07:35 PM

BTW(irony,just to make things totally clear) real card-carrying pedants alwys say at this point,acronyms have to make a sayable word eg NATO.BTW etc dont qualify.


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Subject: RE: BS: Acronyms
From: artbrooks
Date: 01 May 02 - 07:35 PM

I LOL'd so hard once that my chair rolled out from underneath me. Then I was on the floor, but not laughing any more.


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Subject: RE: BS: Acronyms
From: Mr Red
Date: 01 May 02 - 07:42 PM

FWIW there is a thread listing all these and more.
have you filtered yet?
BFN


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Subject: RE: BS: Acronyms
From: Hrothgar
Date: 02 May 02 - 03:47 AM

Is someone who likes thes things an acronymphomaniac (ANM)?


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Subject: RE: BS: Acronyms
From: Mr Happy
Date: 02 May 02 - 03:52 AM

Joe

Sorry, I misread your adjective as 'acronymphomaniac'

Mr Happy


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Subject: RE: BS: Acronyms
From: Mr Happy
Date: 02 May 02 - 03:59 AM

There is/was? a trade union in uk with the acronym EETPU

As a pronounceable word it sounds rather nauseating.

Also I once travelled to Ireland on a ferry called 'Norsea' and my little girl had mispronounced this as 'nausea'

Mr Happy


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Subject: RE: BS: Acronyms
From: Paddy Plastique
Date: 02 May 02 - 04:05 AM

Ye learn something every day, I thought LOL meant 'Loyal Orange Lodge' - so that explains why
they don't come with numbers on the Mudcat. The French love acronyms - they seem to proceed to
them once a phrase contains more than 3 words. My other half is connected with 2 organisations
with particularly lovely acronyms 'PEEP' and 'CLAP' - naughty lot indeed, these French...
and completely barmy...bien sur...


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Subject: RE: BS: Acronyms
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 02 May 02 - 04:08 AM

Happiness: knowing the frequent state of the weather in the North Sea, I think your daughter was probably right!


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Subject: RE: BS: Acronyms
From: GUEST,Argenine
Date: 02 May 02 - 04:21 AM

Actually, Doug C.,

I think you've invented a good 'un--"CUABWTS.!" I feel like using it every time I read the fine print on a purchase agreement or a political ad--and, for that matter, most of the time when I hear a contemporary CD [over-orchestrated, with the background music too loud and the bass and reverb up too hight!].

Whaddya think, folks? Shall we add Doug's new acronym to "LOL," "FWIW," "WYSIWYG," etc.?

Arge


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Subject: RE: BS: Acronyms
From: GUEST,Man with long hair smoking funny tobacco
Date: 02 May 02 - 09:44 AM

LOL.WWNE.ATR.RFOL.BHEED.DYSD.NFOYS.

WOW


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Subject: RE: BS: Acronyms
From: GUEST,Al
Date: 02 May 02 - 10:47 AM

BFD.


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Subject: RE: BS: Acronyms
From: Pseudolus
Date: 02 May 02 - 11:28 AM

Just seeing "LOL" used to make me laugh when I saw it because the first time, I didn't know what it meant, but I DID know that we had referred to the grandmothers in our family as the LOL's for years!! (Little old Ladies)

By the way, they love the term....

Frank


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Subject: RE: BS: Acronyms
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 02 May 02 - 07:23 PM

Oh, oh! Here comes the resident pedant again!

Those sets of letters such as LOL, ROFLMAO, and so on, are not acronyms. An acronym is a set of initial letters from an expression which are pronounced as if they were a word, such as we do with NASA [NASS-ah].

Nor are they initialisms. An initialism is a set of letters from an expression which is pronounced as the individual letters, such as IRS, USA, WPA, and so on.

What LOL, ROFLMFAO and their ilk are seems to be something like abbreviations. If one reads ROFLMFAO, I doubt that he reads either "ROFFL-MAH-O" of "R O F L M F A O". He translates it, as it were, into the equivalent phrase, "Laughing out loud" or "Rolling on the floor, laughing my fat ass off!" I'm not sure they precisely fit the definition of an abbreviation either, but it's close.

Dave Oesterreich


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Subject: RE: BS: Acronyms
From: Chip2447
Date: 03 May 02 - 01:37 AM

One of our local small universities has the initials NMSU, which is always pronounced enemas you. I think its a Proctological school... Chip2447, (who prefers LAGNAF...lets all get naked and f...)


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Subject: RE: BS: Acronyms
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 03 May 02 - 01:37 AM

Dave,

I know that the example I gave was not strictly an acronym but "ACRONYM" gave a snappier title to the thread than "INITIALISMS OR SOMETHING LIKE ABBREVIATIONS". The point is, I don't keep a dictionary beside me when I am reading a newspaper or writing informal e-mails – nor do I want to have to keep consulting reference files when I am browsing a hobby subject.

Your posting demonstrates my problem. My example was ROFLMAO but you used ROFLMFAO. You then translated the extra F as "fat" whereas my interpretation was something considerably stronger. My use of the word acronym, while being strictly incorrect, was understandable by most people in the context of the posting. Your use of ROFLMFAO led to ambiguity.


Doug C


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Subject: RE: BS: Acronyms
From: Joe Offer
Date: 03 May 02 - 01:48 AM

Yes, Mr. Happy, I was thinking I should chase some acronymphs through the wo-ods...
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: BS: Acronyms
From: Snuffy
Date: 03 May 02 - 08:27 AM

The wife of an old friend told us that SCUBA (Self-Contained Underwater Breathing Apparatus) is an aquanym!

WassaiL! V


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Subject: RE: BS: Acronyms
From: GUEST,An Pluiméir Ceolmhar
Date: 03 May 02 - 11:44 AM

So that's where Scuba comes from. I always wondered.

Should the fish symbol adopted by the early Christians as a play on the Greek word Ichthus (composed of the initials for "Jesus Christ, Son of God, Saviour" be described as an acricon?


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Subject: RE: BS: Acronyms
From: GUEST,Lynn
Date: 03 May 02 - 12:50 PM

From what I understand, SNAFU came to us by way of the military - "Situation Normal - All [messed] Up.


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Subject: RE: BS: Acronyms
From: Escamillo
Date: 04 May 02 - 06:12 AM

I hate acronyms.

Andrés, member of the Argentina Singers Society.


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Subject: RE: BS: Acronyms
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 04 May 02 - 08:44 AM

I can sypathise but I guess I will carry on using the more common addreviations. The worst I had in this sort of thing was when I worked at Hotpoint, was new to the current system and had the task of documenting what was to be the new system. I had loads of these to remember as well as to remember what the document was for and where and how they fitted into the system. Here are a few of them I an remember.

SN - Scrap Notification
RAS - Rejection Against Supplier
RADN - Rejection Advice Debit Note
DN - Dispatch Note (at least to someone in dispatch)
DN - Discrepancy Note (at least to someone in goods inwards)
IRN - Inter-factory Rejection Note
GRN - Goods Recieved Note
DMR - Defective Material Report
PSPA - Production Supplies Purchasing Authority
DCN - Design Change Notification
STN - Stock Transfer Note
SCN - Stock Correction Note
TCS - Transfer to Commercial Stock

Then there were the computer generated reports which were all numbers, e.g. a 576 detailed the stuff that had been entered on a 530A (which happened to be the SN document. It was computer generated to save QA worrying about filling in part numbers for certain items) by QA as awaiting return to supplier (rather than scrapped on site). In other words depending on whether the supplier was a Hotpoint company or an outside supplier, it was waiting for an IRN or an RAS to be raised... Provided of course that it hadn't been subject to one of the 52x series of error reports...

Then there were the computer screens or formats which we used to key the information into (and use to read the information), e.g. Production end of shift figures were keyed in on X86 or X87 depending on some setting on EK0 (basically X86 either put the finished stock in the same production area or into a global area known as WIP - very convenient but some items had to be put into named locations). Then of course certain documents such as the 530A were not even keyed on site but sent to the (Llandudno) Junction factory.

Then there were the meanings of things on the screens, e.g. the part type...

A = Assembly, flowline production
B = Assembly, batch
C = phantom part but allow a count/production figure to enable sub assemblies that we did not hold counts on to be booked to CSD (Customer Spares Department - I think)
D = flagged for deletion
M = Raw material
P = Plated (historical). It was a workaround to allow us to get some work done off site, while retaining stock figures - the bits off site were held in a location Bates (again historical). When the completed parts came back and a GRN was raised, not only were they booked into stock but the stock of the component parts in Bates were reduced. R = Redundant
S = Supplied (bought out part)
T = Phantom part.

Then if you wanted to understood by people when talking about part numbers, you even had to know how to say them, e.g 015, 016 and 017 part numbers split 3,4,2 so if you asked about 016..1236..01 (which was an inner drum assembly), you would get some usually useful response but if you asked about an 016..123..601, people on the shop floor would look at you blankly.

I almost literally had nighmares about all this stuff for a few months but it reached the stage where it all became second nature and for some time, I was the only person on site who pretty well knew the whole system (most people only needed to know thier own area) and could answer the questions such as "what document do I need?", "which section does this"?, "how do I fill this in?", "why is this showing this figure?", etc.

The most frightening part to me is that I left more than 10 years ago and much of it seems to be stuck with me as if it was only yesterday I left... I wonder how much, if any of that system exists now...

Jon


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Subject: RE: BS: Acronyms
From: Little Hawk
Date: 04 May 02 - 11:31 PM

If at a loss just use TATSFATOATYDKTMOACRAATS...

(The Acronym That Stands For All The Other Acronyms That You Don't Know The Meaning Of And Can't Recall Anyway At This Time)

It'll save you a ton of trouble.

- LH


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