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Subject: Movies they should make.
From: Bert
Date: 25 Apr 02 - 03:06 AM

Seeing as we are discussing movies a lot recently. How about telling us... dunno what happened there, don't you just LOVE Microsoft.... about a movie that you'd like to see made. Maybe it's a book you've read or a story you've heard or even a plot that you've hatched up yourself. AND you think it would make a good movie.

Here's a few of mine.
Trapp's War by Brian Callison
73 North by Dudley Pope
Wilt by Tom Sharpe
Hot Ice by Nora Roberts
It Can't always be Caviar By Johannes Mario Simmel And any of the Dover Books by Joyce Porter


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Subject: RE: BS: Movies they should make
From: Paul from Hull
Date: 25 Apr 02 - 05:52 AM

"The White Company", & "Sir Nigel" by Sir Arthur Conan Doyle (14th Century/Hundred Years War... & apparently what Conan Doyle would have liked to have been remembered for writing, rather than the Sherlock Holmes stuff)

"Death To The French by C.S. Forester (Napoleonic - Peninsular War)

& Sci-Fi, the "Hospital Station" Series by James White (think I got the name right)


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Subject: RE: BS: Movies they should make
From: RangerSteve
Date: 25 Apr 02 - 05:58 AM

Doyle's non-S.holmes books are scarce here in the US, but I did manage to find a copy of Sir Nigel, and yes, it would make a great movie. I vote for "A Confederacy of Dunces" by John Kennedy O'Toole. I heard that it was tried, but too many relatives of the late author want too much money.


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Subject: RE: BS: Movies they should make
From: Paul from Hull
Date: 25 Apr 02 - 05:58 AM

....just thought of another:

"The Devils Of D-Day" by Graham Masterton (its actually Horror really, & I'm sure they have filmed at least one other of Masterton's - "The Manitou" - though I've not even read the book of that, cos I'm not actually much of a 'Horror' fan)


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Subject: RE: BS: Movies they should make
From: Paul from Hull
Date: 25 Apr 02 - 06:04 AM

Nice to know at least one copy has made it across 'The Pond', Steve! Dunno if you know, but 'Sir Nigel' was actually a 'prequel' to 'White Company' though written later (& I'd guess because Doyle's friends & fans ASKED him to). There are a couple of odd inconsistencies between the two books, & IMHO, 'White Company' is the better yarn of the two.


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Subject: RE: BS: Movies they should make
From: The Walrus at work
Date: 25 Apr 02 - 08:59 AM

I'll throw in
"Covanent With Death" by John Harris - an account of a Kitchener Battalion from formation to 1st July 1916 (based heavily on 1st Sheffield Pals) seen through the eyes of one member of the Bn.
The "Brigadier Gerard" stories of Arthur Conan Doyle (there was a version in the late '60s, but it varied quite a lot from Doyle's books).
"The Candlemas Road" by George MacDonald Fraser - an account of a "Road" or raid by rievers on the English-Scottish border in the 16th Century and the events surrounding it (the book is a lot better than I've made it sound).

Walrus


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Subject: RE: BS: Movies they should make
From: Peter T.
Date: 25 Apr 02 - 09:01 AM

One problem is that so many movies have been made poorly of wonderful books, and they capture the territory for a long time.
There are many horror movies that should be made properly. Someone should make "Frankenstein" one day. It would make a great movie done absolutely straight. Everyone who does it screws around with it. "Dracula" could be remade well too (Francis Coppola should have a stake driven through his heart). The original "Dracula" has some good qualities, but a faithful remake would be wonderful (the Whitby scenes in particular would be wonderful through special effects). "The Time Machine" could be an amazing film if done properly. "The Island of Dr. Moreau" is crying out to be made well.

Moving away from horror. They should reunite the team that made "Last of the Mohicans" and make a few more Fenimore Coopers. Willa Cather's "My Antonia" would make a fine film. There is a desperate need for decent films of "The Great Gatsby" and "Tender is the Night".

I think "Catcher in the Rye is unfilmable, but a film of the Glass family chronicles would be good.

yours, Peter T.

yours, Peter T.


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Subject: RE: BS: Movies they should make
From: Wincing Devil
Date: 25 Apr 02 - 10:56 AM

I'm currently reading The House of Sand and Fog by Anton Dubus. I find that when I'm reading a book, I'm casting the characters, usually with Hollywood actors.

BTW: The Time Machine bombed, even though it was directed by H.G. Wells' grandson.


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Subject: RE: BS: Movies they should make
From: Wesley S
Date: 25 Apr 02 - 11:11 AM

"The Cowboy and the Cossak" written by Claire Huffaker.


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Subject: RE: BS: Movies they should make
From: MMario
Date: 25 Apr 02 - 11:35 AM

"Rock Lobsteroids" - a horror film about mutant lobsters that go crazy and attack whenever exposed to rock music; it could be narrated by someone from Maine known for humour.


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Subject: RE: BS: Movies they should make
From: kendall
Date: 25 Apr 02 - 01:24 PM

I should have known someone would blow my cover.

My vote goes to SILVERLOCK by John Myers Myers. Most delightful piece of fiction I ever read. In a class by itself, which does not include the classics.


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Subject: RE: BS: Movies they should make
From: Amergin
Date: 25 Apr 02 - 01:34 PM

i always thought MacBeth would make a great gangster film...using Shakespeare's dialogue of course...

and possibly Hamlet set in the business world...

I remember a cartoon movie of the Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe....and think it would be wonderful if they continued it...through the next several books...


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Subject: RE: BS: Movies they should make
From: Wesley S
Date: 25 Apr 02 - 01:57 PM

Come to think of it I always thought it was a shame that no one made a decent movie from any of the John D. MacDonald books about "salvage expert" Travis Magee. The only one I saw was made with Rod Taylor as Travis - and that was laughable.


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Subject: RE: BS: Movies they should make
From: AliUK
Date: 25 Apr 02 - 03:58 PM

Wilt was made into a TV movie with Griff Rhys Jones as Wilt. Greenmantle by John Buchan would make an excellent movie especially if it's followed by it's sequel Mr. Standfast.


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Subject: RE: BS: Movies they should make
From: Amos
Date: 25 Apr 02 - 04:21 PM

There are several Mudcat Green Tea and Literary Society threads that should be made into full-length movies -- Spaw's Steamboat Thread, the Jukebox thread, the Mudcat Enterprise, Murder at the Folk Festival, LEJ's original Blake Madison Crossroads story, and the deathless Himalayan epic of Shangri-La. There is some really masterful writing in these things,e specially from LEJ, Jen, Kat and Peter T. May they always be preserved! I mean the writings, of course.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: Movies they should make
From: Midchuck
Date: 25 Apr 02 - 04:35 PM

The Matt Helm books by Donald Hamilton - done straight, with someone other than Dean Martin as Helm. Gawd save us.

Sapir and Murphy's "Destroyer" series. They did one, and it was terrible, except that the guy who did Chuin got it right - Dale Grey, something like that.

There's hope. They made a movie of "Dune" and it was awful; then recently the Sci-fi channel did it again as a mini-series, and that was a pretty good job, much more faithful to the book.

Peter.


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Subject: RE: BS: Movies they should make
From: Amergin
Date: 25 Apr 02 - 04:45 PM

movies on the patrick macgill books....would love to see those...


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Subject: RE: BS: Movies they should make
From: The Walrus
Date: 25 Apr 02 - 05:08 PM

AliUK,

Why stop at Greenmantle & Mr Steadfast, why not the whole Hanney series, there are about 5 of them if I recall (mind you, they'd have to start with a decent "39 Steps")

Regards

Walrus


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Subject: RE: BS: Movies they should make
From: michaelr
Date: 25 Apr 02 - 07:10 PM

I met George Lucas at a party once and suggested to him that "The Chronicles of Thomas Covenant the Unbeliever" (a double trilogy by Stephen R. Donaldson) would make a great movie. But he was too wrapped up in his silly "Star Wars" drivel to care.

Oh well... BTW, they made a movie of "Lord of the Rings". Did you folks like that one?

Michael


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Subject: RE: BS: Movies they should make
From: Gareth
Date: 25 Apr 02 - 07:53 PM

Carefull John - C S Foresters books do not translate to cleverly to film - remember the Cary Grant/ Sophia Loren ?? version of "The Gun" filmed under its American Title "The Pride and the Passion" ?? Yuuuck! Or that travesty of the Hornblower triology, "Captain Hornblower RN"

Though to be true Forester's film scripts, "The Africa Queen", and "Sink the Bismark" worked well.

Incidently "Death to the French" was/is published as " As the "Adventures of Rifleman Dodd" in the USA of A.

I would concur that 73' North deserves filming. If you are so minded if you purchase the computer game " Fighting Steel" by SSI you will find all 3 phases of that Convoy Action there to replay and see if you can do as well as the convoy escort. Ditto the Bismark chase, and some of the more interesting actions at Savo, and Ironbottom Sound.

On a more humourous note lets see Pratchet on Film !! and the adventures of the Anhk - Morpork Night Watch. - Bob Hoskins as Mr Vimes ? Sean Connery as The Patrician ?? The laws of libel forbid me casting CMOT Dibbler.

Gareth


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Subject: RE: BS: Movies they should make
From: RangerSteve
Date: 25 Apr 02 - 07:54 PM

Walrus and AliUK - you're right. The Buchan series would make an excellent series of films. Somehow they were available in the US, which rarely happens with British adventure novels. I don't understand how Hitchcock got his version of the 39 Steps from the book. There's almost no similarities.

A good version of King Solomons Mines, one that's faithful to the book. Or a faithful version of "She". The one with Ursula Andress was a dud. Anything else that HR Haggard wrote. There's an obscure one of his called Eric Brighteyes, a Viking saga that I really like.

And Michael Strogoff by Jules Verne - possibly the best adventure story ever written.


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Subject: RE: BS: Movies they should make
From: Bert
Date: 26 Apr 02 - 03:09 AM

I forgot, How about Desmond Bagley's "Golden Keel"?


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Subject: RE: BS: Movies they should make
From: RoyH (Burl)
Date: 26 Apr 02 - 04:03 AM

How about somebody making a GOOD film of 'Bound For Glory'?


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Subject: RE: BS: Movies they should make
From: Grab
Date: 26 Apr 02 - 11:48 AM

Bert, I reckon just about any Desmond Bagley would work well.

On that theme, I'd nominate one of the few good Alastair Maclean books, "The Last Frontier". "Guns of Navarone" could probably use a remake too, since they pulled a lot of it in the original film.

Amergin, the BBC did a TV series of the Narnia books a few years back. Unfortunately CGI was still too expensive for TV to afford, so it didn't really work. Probably time for another go now.

Stephen Donaldson's Gap into... series would be mindblowing, but I don't know if even modern CGI is up to it. Besides, the content just wouldn't make it past any censor anywhere.

Re Prachett casting, I can't see anyone except Alan Rickman as the Patrician. Anyone else just doesn't compute. I think Brian Dennehy would make a superb Vimes - right size, build, temperament, etc - or he'd also make a good Fred Colon too. Maybe Patrick Swayze as Vimes - he can at least act reasonably well, and god knows he'd be cheap enough to hire these days. Kevin Spacey as Nobby, although an imp of devilment says it should be Tom Cruise in makeup. Carrot may be more difficult, bcos you need someone with muscles who can act, and that combination doesn't come up too often. But who to cast as Dibbler? I think Willem Dafoe.

I think the real loser in films has been Stephen King. The guy's been writing for nearly 30 years, most of his books are actually pretty well-written, but the number of good films of his stuff you can count on the fingers of one hand. "Christine" in particular could be done so much better than the crappy B-movie it turned into.

Graham.


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Subject: RE: BS: Movies they should make
From: SINSULL
Date: 26 Apr 02 - 12:22 PM

I would love to see The Deptford Trilogy on film but only if it remained faithful to the books. Not likely to happen now that Robertson Davies is dead.

My own contribution (I had always hoped to see Dirk Pitt handle this one):

Recovery efforts, after the space shuttle disaster,turn up an extra leg. Who was the mystery passenger? Or could there have been a stowaway? Was it sabotage?


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Subject: RE: BS: Movies they should make
From: MMario
Date: 26 Apr 02 - 12:42 PM

'Witches Abroad' would be phenomanal!


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Subject: RE: BS: Movies they should make
From: AliUK
Date: 26 Apr 02 - 02:06 PM


Walrus
There was actually a Hannay TV series a few years ago with Robert Powell as the adventurous Mining Engineer, that was mildly good


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Subject: RE: BS: Movies they should make
From: Mac Tattie
Date: 26 Apr 02 - 02:30 PM

..bert, I'm glad someone else read and enjoyed the "Dover" series by Joice Porter, I also enjoyed her other dective the Honerable Constance, can't rember her full name it has been many years since I last read them. cheers.


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Subject: RE: BS: Movies they should make
From: Don Firth
Date: 26 Apr 02 - 02:48 PM

Scaramouche by Rafael Sabatini. Pretty much scene by scene and as Sabatini wrote it (not something most movie companies are constitutionally capable of doing, even with unlimited budgets). To do this right would require a mini-series of some length, comparable to some seen on Masterpiece Theatre, because the novel is much too involved and complex to be done in a two or three hour feature movie. The story as Sabatini wrote it is a real gripper!

There have been a couple of European versions that were way wide of the mark, and there was that Hollywood thingy in 1952 with Stewart Granger, Janet Leigh, and Mel Ferrer. This took a variation of the novel's major plot-twist (a real shocker in the novel) and turned the whole thing into a light-hearted romp. Among many other things that really need to be done right is the culminating duel scene between André-Louis Moreau and the Marquis de la Tour d'Azyr. It should not include running up and down stairs and swinging from chandeliers. In the novel, it was a formal duel, complete with seconds standing by, fought shortly after dawn in the Bois de Boulogne. The excitement came, not through lots of flashy action, but through sheer suspense. Each was a master swordsman and knew that the other was too. Add to this that the two primary women in the story were rushing to the dueling ground, each with an overwhelming reason why the duel had to be stopped. Look-alikes are essential, of course, but except for close-ups, the duel scene should be not be done by the two actors, nor by two stunt-men trained in the usual tricks of movie swordplay, but by two very good fencers.

A real duel—armed with three feet of sharp steel and facing someone similarly armed—is enough to scare the poop out of anyone, without having to throw in stairs to run up and down, chandeliers to swing from, and rugs to slip on. In most movie duel scenes, the participants do things that no one in his right mind would do in a real duel, and they miss opportunities to dispatch their opponent and extricate themselves from a lethally dangerous situation just to do something stupid and flashy. I think Hollywood is incapable of filming a good, realistic duel scene (except that those in The Duellists (Keith Carradine and Harvey Keitel, 1977) looked pretty realistic—but I don't think that was a Hollywood production—British, I think).

Good duel scenes are a hobbyhorse of mine. I rarely see one. But in any case, Scaramouche would make a terrific mini-series if done right.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Movies they should make
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 26 Apr 02 - 02:52 PM

I was pleased to see Hospital Station by James White got a vote. And I agree with Amos that there are some great films to be made from the Mudcat archives.

I don't know if there's ever been a serious attempt to make a film of Coleridge's Ancient Mariner, but it could be magnificent.


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Subject: RE: BS: Movies they should make
From: MMario
Date: 26 Apr 02 - 03:04 PM

Count a second vote for Hospital Station ; some other SF books I would like to see as Movies would be Janet Kagan's 'Mirabile' and 'Hellspark' - both (if true to the books) would be marvelous!


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Subject: RE: BS: Movies they should make
From: The Walrus
Date: 26 Apr 02 - 06:02 PM

AliUk,

Yes, I remember the "Hannay" series, it wasn't that bad, but it didn't really "hook" me, although I do seem to remember they did make an effort to get the right feel to it.

Don,

The problem with "proper" duelling on screen is that, if portrayed properly, many of the viewers will either miss it or get bored. Just look what happens with two evenly matched middle weight range boxers are paired off. Often most of the match is spent in "feeling out" the opponent's weaknesses and the crowd get bored because "nothing's happening"). I seem to recall reading somewhere that even Roman gladiators were taught to fight with wide and "showy" blows (rather than tight and economic movements) so that the crowd could see something happening.
Remember that for a great number of people "out there", Errol Flynn in "Robin Hood" was a great swordsman, even if he wouldn't last two minutes against a professional (as Rathbone is said to have proved).

Of Pratchett novels:
I've always thought that Russell Hunter ("Lonely" in the Callan" series) would have mad a good "Nobby", these days it'd have to be Tony Robinson in "Baldrick" mode. I'm not sure who would go well as Fred Colon (Bill Maynard?) Alan Rickman as the Patrician, I have seen Clint Eastwood touted as Vimes and I've seen Paul Darrow ("Avon" in "Blake's 7" for those whoremember it) actually play the part on stage, but I reckon Michael Elphick could do the job. How about Jane Horrocks as Magrat Garlick or Jack Dee as Verence II ?
Why are films like this always so much easier to cast 40 years ago?

Regards

Walrus


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Subject: RE: BS: Movies they should make
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 26 Apr 02 - 07:52 PM

I nominate "The Death Ship" by B. Traven—the same guy who wrote "The Treasure of the Sierra Madre." It's a highly political novel, in the style of "The Jungle" or "The Grapes of Wrath" except the people being exploited by their bosses are sailors. The hero, a sailor, figures out in mid-voyage that the ship owners are planning to scuttle the ship for the insurance money.


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Subject: RE: BS: Movies they should make
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 26 Apr 02 - 08:48 PM

That reminds me of the Mary Ellen Carter - and that could be a great film.

And that mention of the Grapes of Wrath, which Woody Guthrie turned into the Ballad of Tom Joad makes me wonder if there are any other films that would make good songs. Some classic westerns would of course - Stagecoach for example.


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Subject: RE: BS: Movies they should make
From: Don Firth
Date: 26 Apr 02 - 10:38 PM

True, Walrus. But sad.

In a good fencing match, there is a fair amount of eye-balling each other and tentative feints and false attacks in an effort to feel each other out or to set a deep-laid trap. Then, sudden, bursts of ferocious action. I guess to really appreciate it, you have to know what's going on, and not all that many people are into fencing.

But still, ever without a well-done duel scene, Scaramouche as written is a helluva story.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Movies they should make
From: DonMeixner
Date: 26 Apr 02 - 10:45 PM

For my money the best sword battle bar none was between Tyrone Power and Basil Rathbone in The Mark of Zorro. Both men were extremely skilled swordsmen and they made the show look real enough.

It is fun to watch the different techniques employed in Zorro, Robin Hood and The Sea Hawks. Every thing from Foil, Epee, and Saber skills were used in one battle. Granted it was done for show but there was considerable skill displayed by most of the people invoilved. Errol Flynn was not a great swordsman but he was equal to most in Hollywood except for the few I have mentioned.

Tony Curtis is not unskilled. Nor was James Mason. Neither is Eric Roberts.

They don't make them like they use to. Except maybe for Rob Roy.

I'd like to see a first rate job of The Glory Road done, a younger Liam Neeson would make a great Oscar but Bruce Campbell would be just fine too, Jennifer Connolly would do for Star, Bob Hoskins as Rufo would fill things out fine.

Don

Don


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Subject: RE: BS: Movies they should make
From: SINSULL
Date: 27 Apr 02 - 01:29 PM

"The Island Of Dr. Moreau" was remade I think with Michael York. Put me to sleep.


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Subject: RE: BS: Movies they should make
From: Don Firth
Date: 27 Apr 02 - 01:32 PM

Definitely the best sword fight in any movie was in The Mark of Zorro, 1940 version with Tyrone Power and Basil Rathbone. Excellent fencing, and pretty close to by-the-book. Which shows how exciting a duel scene staged by really good fencers can be!

The only problem (if it's a problem) with The Mark of Zorro duel scene was that it was way off historically. It was fought with sabers, which is okay, but the sabers they used were modern, lightweight fencing sabers--the kind tournament fencers use (not sharp, of course), and you can get one from a fencing equipment supplier for about $60.00 (about $10.00 back in 1940). The guard on Rathbone's saber looked like it was made of aluminum (in the early 1800s?), and my guess is that it was not from the prop-room, it was his own personal saber. The style Rathbone used was pure Hungarian-Italian (a 20th century style developed by Italo Santelli, who coached the Hungarian Olympic team). Power used basically the same style, but he was a little looser. They were both excellent fencers, but actually, Rathbone was the better of the two. I'm a real authenticity nut on this sort of thing, but the fencing was so good in this movie that even if it wasn't historically accurate, who the hell cares?

I think that The Mark of Zorro amply demonstrates that a formal duel scene done by good fencers (foil fencers in this case, because Moreau and the Marquis were using French small-swords) could be very exciting. Actually, it's where the duel occurs in relation to the rest of the plot that makes it suspenseful.

Sorry about the thread creep. I tend to get worked up sometimes.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Movies they should make
From: Stephen L. Rich
Date: 27 Apr 02 - 02:55 PM

Somebody should do a decent re-make of "Bound For Glory". The existing one never managed to get inside Woody Guthries head. It just laundry-listed events. Also, being in Technicolor, it was too good looking for its own good. The scenes in the Hoovervilles and jungle camps looked like commercials for poverty.


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Subject: RE: BS: Movies they should make
From: CapriUni
Date: 27 Apr 02 - 03:38 PM

A movie version of Shakespeare's Cymbeline would be Fanta-a-a-astic!

Although, because it is hardly ever performed, and is probably the most obscure play he'd done, it probably never will be.

However, the very things that make it such a diffecult play to produce and understand as a stage play are the same things that make it perfect for a contemporary movie:

1) The Settings: Numurous scene shifts within each act between first century BC British court, opulant palaces in Rome and the wilderness in the mountains of Wales (think of the cinematagraphy possibilities!). On the stage, granted, these quick change shifts (often, an act is only a few lines long) make it hard to follow on the stage (when a forest must often be represented by a single, cardboard tree), but audiences have come to expect such shifts in P.O.V and scene in movies -- indeed, if a movie does not have them, it comes across as slow and boring.

2) The Plot: Shakespeare borrowed from all his great tragedies for this one -- Hamlet, Othello, Romeo and Juliet -- and managed to give them all a happy ending. He also threw in one scene with Olympian Gods, and a major battle, with lots of running around and double-dealing. The happy ending at the end is a bit rushed and contrived, but isn't that a requirement for a blockbuster movie, these days?


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Subject: RE: BS: Movies they should make
From: allanwill
Date: 27 Apr 02 - 05:10 PM

I've always thought some of the traditional ballads such as Matty Groves or Tam Lin would make great movies.

Allan


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Subject: RE: BS: Movies they should make
From: Paul from Hull
Date: 27 Apr 02 - 05:37 PM

What about a half-decent version of 'Starship Troopers'?

I can't believe that Heinlein would have been happy with the crude effort they did make...


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Subject: RE: BS: Movies they should make
From: Peter T.
Date: 27 Apr 02 - 06:30 PM

The BBC Cymbeline was quite good and easily available. yours, Peter T.


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Subject: RE: BS: Movies they should make
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 27 Apr 02 - 06:45 PM

One book that most people have never heard of that would make a great film for kids - far better than Roald Dahl in my opinion - is The Twenty One Balloons.


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Subject: RE: BS: Movies they should make
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 27 Apr 02 - 07:35 PM

Wincing Devil: The latest "Time Macine" bombed. The 1960 version (almost) worked.
Amergin: "The lion the witch and the wardrobe" was a reasonable cartoon version. (By "The Children's Television Workshop.[makers of Sesame Street]) but the BBC has since done a version as 'live action' for transmission on Sunday tea times which surpasses it by far. with a few sequals !


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Subject: RE: BS: Movies they should make
From: CapriUni
Date: 27 Apr 02 - 08:10 PM

The BBC Cymbeline was quite good and easily available.

Is this one of the series that the BBC did for a while, where they did every one of Shakespeare's plays? Back in the early '80's, I believe, PBS broadcaset that series -- a play every sunday afternoon. That's what got me hooked on Shakespeare (I found it for myself before formal education could ruin it for me. ;-)) I looked into buying a video of one of the BBC videos a few years ago, and the price came in at around $100!!!

A little too rich for my blood...

And I still think it would be great to see on the big screen...


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Subject: RE: BS: Movies they should make
From: Sandy Paton
Date: 27 Apr 02 - 11:24 PM

I've always thought that Manley Wade Wellman's series of stories of John, the ballad hunter in the southern mountains who encounters the devil, witchcraft, and magic while seeking songs and whose guitar is strung with silver strings, etc., would make a great TV series (at least). These stories have been anthologized under the title Who Fears the Devil!. Too bad Paul Clayton is no longer with us. He would have made a perfect "John."

Sandy


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Subject: RE: BS: Movies they should make
From: DonMeixner
Date: 28 Apr 02 - 01:33 AM

Paul, Heinlein's wife threatened to bring suit over it and wanted the Heinlein name removed from the credits.

Don


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Subject: RE: BS: Movies they should make
From: JudeL
Date: 28 Apr 02 - 06:23 AM

Some of Tom Holt's books such as "Who's afraid of Beowulf would make great movies


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Subject: RE: BS: Movies they should make
From: Paul from Hull
Date: 28 Apr 02 - 10:16 AM

Thanks for that Don.....I can't say I'm surprised!


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Subject: RE: BS: Movies they should make
From: Shields Folk
Date: 28 Apr 02 - 11:40 AM

Probably the most famous year in English History would make a tremendous film: 1066. It would be either a tremendous success or an astronomical failure.

I can picture the opening scene with the death of Edward the Confessor. Flash backs to the early meeting of Harold and William the Bastard. Closing scenes of the coronation of William at Westminster, with riots in the streets and loads of battle scenes in between. Of course the language would be Old English, Norman French and Norse. Subtitles would be essential.

Like I said it would be a tremendous success or an astronomical failure.


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Subject: RE: BS: Movies they should make
From: Cluin
Date: 13 Apr 03 - 05:38 AM

Alfred Bester's "The Stars My Destination"

W.O. Mitchell's "For Art's Sake" or "The Black Bonspiel of Wullie MacCrimmon"


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Subject: RE: BS: Movies they should make
From: alanabit
Date: 13 Apr 03 - 10:34 AM

For a serious film, I would like to see a really good version of Somerset Maugham's "The Razor's Edge".
Alistair McLean's best book by far, "HMS Ulysees" would have to make a good movie. CS Forester's book "The Ship" is also full of strong characters and has the potential to make a great movie.
Dennis Wheatley was a right wing loony of very little literary merit, however,his books - especially the Roger Brooke saga - were very entertaining and have plenty of suitable material for blockbuster movies. Trouble is, only an American company would have the resources to make one and Roger Brooke with an American accent is not a prospect which is likely to lure me to the cinema!


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Subject: RE: BS: Movies they should make
From: Peter T.
Date: 13 Apr 03 - 11:33 AM

An extraordinary film could be made of Cortez' conquest of Mexico. It could be done now with computer graphics. For sheer adventure I cannot think of anything to compare (politically incorrect though it is, but the part of the female translator would be a gift for someone).
yours, Peter T.


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Subject: RE: BS: Movies they should make
From: Forum Lurker
Date: 13 Apr 03 - 01:11 PM

Peter T.-Well, if you glorified Cortez's conquest, it would be really un-PC, drawing a lot of flack. If you didn't, you wouldn't have a movie. I personally prefer films in which the hero is heroic. Books can do well with non-heroic or even anti-heroic protagonists, but film as a medium seems to have difficulty with it.

I'd love to see a film version of Robert Jordan's "Wheel of Time" series, but that would have to be a multiseason TV show to do the plot any justice at all. Maybe Roger Zelazny's "Nine Princes in Amber."


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Subject: RE: BS: Movies they should make
From: Peg
Date: 13 Apr 03 - 01:48 PM

The all-too-short life of Robert Burns...


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Subject: RE: BS: Movies they should make
From: Micca
Date: 13 Apr 03 - 03:17 PM

I would like to see a good , faithful to the Books, version of some of the works of Thorne Smith,( leaving aside the versions of the Topper books) that would be possible with modern special effects, ie for Skin and bones, Nightlife of tje gods or the Stray Lamb, and The Bishops Jaegers!!1


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Subject: RE: BS: Movies they should make
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 13 Apr 03 - 03:31 PM

There's never been a movie of Catcher in the Rye, so far as I know. Salinger has never wanted one, I believe. Probably as well.


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Subject: RE: BS: Movies they should make
From: GUEST,McGrath of Altcar
Date: 13 Apr 03 - 03:47 PM

WHY has Conrad's "Heart of Darkness" never been filmed. I know Apocalypse Now is based on it - right down to whole lines of text but - but it avoids the central issues of the novel - what a film that would make.


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Subject: RE: BS: Movies they should make
From: AllisonA(Animaterra)
Date: 13 Apr 03 - 05:19 PM

In a totally different vein, having just finished "The Secret Life of Bees" I'd love to see a movie made of it. No sword fights, just a really good chick flick!


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Subject: RE: BS: Movies they should make
From: Bill D
Date: 13 Apr 03 - 06:30 PM

funny someone should mention Roger Zelazny...my vote would be for his story "A Rose for Ecclesiastes", one of the most moving, carefully crafted little stories I know. It is just the right length for a movie, and with modern graphics, would be beautiful.


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Subject: RE: BS: Movies they should make
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 13 Apr 03 - 06:51 PM

William Gibsons "Neuromancer" needs to be made.. it'd show the world what a REAL cyberpunk movie could be... (The Matrix is o.k, but not really all that original...)

Neil Gaimans "American Gods" would make a kick-ass movie, but I have no idea who you'd be able to cast as Shadow...

For that matter, a lot of Gaimans stuff would make really good movies (and it's been tried and tired and tried, but the feckwits in Hollywood keep screwing them up, and he keeps shooting down the proposals... smart man.. very smart man!) Stardust... Neverwhere...

Looking forward to the eventual (autumn/X-mas 2004) release of the movie "The Last Unicorn"... I just wish whats-his-face who played Steerpike in the miniseries version of Gormen-gack wasn't gonna be playing Schmendrick... Jonathan Rhys-Meyers.. I donno... maybe he won't suck and ruin what could be the best fantasy adaptation ever!


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Subject: RE: BS: Movies they should make
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 13 Apr 03 - 06:53 PM

Here's book that I suspect noone will have come across - "Sold for a farthing" by Clare Kipps.

Below is a post I made about it in a thread a couple of years ago. I was watching Babe the other day. It struck me as I was watching it the story of "Clarence the famous and beloved sparrow" would make a superb film:

I've a lovely little book in front of me about a lady who, in 1940 a few days after Dunkirk , found an abandoned sparrow chick outside her door. She looked after it, meaning to return him to the wild. But he turned out to have a deformed wing, so he stayed with her until he died 12 years later -far longer than the lifetime of a wild sparrow.

In the meantime he'd had all kinds of adventures, entertained people in air-raid shelters, and learnt to sing along with the piano (his rescuer had been a professional musician). As is well known, "sparrows can't sing", but Clarence never knew that.

The books called Sold for a farthing, by Clara Kipps, and remarkably enough, though it's been out of print in Engkland (where it all happened) for many years, there's an American edition of it still available.

Here is a relevant passage:

Feeling that if a new-born infant is left outside one's doorstep something should be done about it, I picked it up, wrapped it in warm flannel and, sitting over the kitchen fire, endeavoured for several hours to revive it.

After I had succeeded in opening its soft beak - an operation that required a delicate touch and immense patience to avoid injury - I propped it open with a spent match and dripped one drop of warm milk every minutes down the little throat. At the end of half-an-hour, though the bird was still quite cold, I noticed a slight movement of one skinny wing, so, after adding a little soaked bread to the last feed, I put it gently into a small pudding-basin lined and covered with wool, which I deposited in the airing-cupboard. Then fully expecting it to die in tye night, I went to bed.

To my astonishment, early next morning I heard a faint continuous sound coming from that airing-cupbopard - an incredibly thin yet happy sound, the kind of noise a pin would make if it could sing; and there was the little creature, still in his porcelain cradle, but warm and alert and crying for breakfast.

After that, his mouth was rarely shut; and as he required constant feeding, I took him with me in his basin to the Air-Raid Warden's post, where he began to serve is country by providing us with endless amusement during the long hours of waiting.

I fed him on soaked bread mixed with Bemax, hard-boiled yolk of egg, and one drop of halibut-liver oil, given frequently in small quantities and pushed gently down his throat with the carefully pointed end of a match. Though the children of the neighbourhood constantly brought along caterpillars and worms in matchboxes tied with blue ribbon, I kept him strictly to this vegetarian diet; and he thrived and grew into a lusty and importunate fledgling.


And I'll leave you with that. It's a great book.


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Subject: RE: BS: Movies they should make
From: Gareth
Date: 13 Apr 03 - 07:23 PM

Unfortunatley we are likely to see "The Rescue of Jessica", or "Objective Bahgdad"

And isn't it time an objective film of the PQ17 disaster was made ???

Gareth


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Subject: RE: BS: Movies they should make
From: khandu
Date: 13 Apr 03 - 07:35 PM

"A Time to Kill a Mocking Birdman of Alcatraz"
"The Godfather of the Bride of Frankenstein"
"The Night of the Living Dead Men Tell No Tales of the Crypt"

k


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Subject: RE: BS: Movies they should make
From: Amos
Date: 13 Apr 03 - 07:36 PM

I'd like to see a film that weaves the parallel time-lines of the lives of George Bush, Sadaam Hussein, Osama Bin Laden, and maybe six chosen figures from the Mudcat Cafe -- I'm not saying which six, though!


A


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Subject: RE: BS: Movies they should make
From: Cluin
Date: 13 Apr 03 - 07:42 PM

McGrath of Altcar, I did see a B&W clip of a production of Conrad's "Heart of Darkness" once, with Boris Karloff in the role of Kurtz. It may have been a made-for-TV drama, one of those Hallmark things.

"The horror... the horror..."


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Subject: RE: BS: Movies they should make
From: khandu
Date: 13 Apr 03 - 07:44 PM

Peter Straub's "Ghost Story" should be done properly. The one version that was made was pure crap. It failed to capture the book in every way. I am surprised that Straub allowed his name on the finished product.
This is the only book that has frightened me...and it did it both times I read it.

k


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Subject: RE: BS: Movies they should make
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 13 Apr 03 - 08:47 PM

The IMDB has this entry for Boris K. playing Kurtz...


"Playhouse 90" (1956) playing "Kurtz" in episode: "Heart of Darkness" 6 November 1958

Might make it easier to find if yer looking for it...

:-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Movies they should make
From: Forum Lurker
Date: 13 Apr 03 - 09:04 PM

Bill D.-I've never read that one. Is it sold as a novel, or only in anthologies?

ClintonHammond-Neuromancer would be amazing if properly cast; film gets over Gibson's small flaw of sometimes confusing text. Snow Crash, by Neil Stephenson, might be an even better cyberpunk, if less archetypal. American Gods would probably be uncastable; who could possibly play the characters properly?


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Subject: RE: BS: Movies they should make
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 13 Apr 03 - 10:10 PM

I've never found any of Gibsons texts to be confusing...

Snow Crash is a good 3/4 of a book... Stephenson can't write an ending to save his damn life...

Casting American Gods? I donno... more importantly would be the script writing I think...


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Subject: RE: BS: Movies they should make
From: Peg
Date: 13 Apr 03 - 11:38 PM

American Gods? Perfectly castable, with some forethought.

Shadow: Johnny Depp

Odin: Gene Hackman, or that bald guy from Homicide

Shadow's wife: Rachel Weisz, or Rachel Griffiths

Sheriff in town: Chris Cooper

Freya: Toni Collette, or Alicia Witt


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Subject: RE: BS: Movies they should make
From: Forum Lurker
Date: 13 Apr 03 - 11:57 PM

ClintonHammond-What was wrong with Snow Crash's ending? It resolved the conflict that formed the plot, and unlike Gibson didn't end up radically changing the universe in which the book was set.


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Subject: RE: BS: Movies they should make
From: GUEST,pdc
Date: 14 Apr 03 - 12:38 AM

A tiny bit of thread creep -- my grandma, who died aged 96, only went to Grade 3, and although she had a successful and prosperous life, never got things quite right (favourite song: 75 Trombones; favourite flower the Philadelphium.)

Her favourite books/movies were "How to Kill a Mockingbird," and "The Man in the Grey Flannels."

Bless her heart -- I miss her! Thought you might enjoy this.


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Subject: RE: BS: Movies they should make
From: Doug_Remley
Date: 14 Apr 03 - 01:01 AM

An author apparently living in Ireland, John Connolly, has written a few books that would make good movies. At the least they were good winter reading.

Most of all I would enjoy a careful visual construction of "The Snokejumper" one of three novels written by the author of "The Horse Whisperer."


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Subject: RE: BS: Movies they should make
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 14 Apr 03 - 02:40 AM

Sorry Peg... I don't see Johnny Dep as Shadow at all... Shadow is a HUGE man, and looks like he might be part 1st Nations... Johnny just doens't fit either bill... Maybe Vin Diesel, but he's even too big... hehehehe

Hackman is an interesting idea for Wednesday, but I think I'd rather see someone more 'Scandinavian'... There's got to be a few dudes left over from 'The 13th Warrior' who'd better fit the bill, and are likely more in need of the pay-cheque! LOL

FL.. Everything 'cyberpunk' or 'post cp' I've ever read from Stephenson peetered out at the end... Cryptonomicon, Diamond Age and Snow Crash... I also don't see how the end of Neuromancer 'radically changed the universe in which it was set'... Wintermute even says, "Things aren't different. Things are things."

(Maybe we can continue this as PMs or something... so as not to clutter up the thread eh... :-) )


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Subject: RE: BS: Movies they should make
From: Art Thieme
Date: 16 Apr 03 - 03:48 AM

The Creature From The Black Studies Program

Art Thieme


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Subject: RE: BS: Movies they should make
From: The Walrus
Date: 16 Apr 03 - 04:48 AM

Gareth,

Do you want to try casting "Saving private Jessica"?
The first problem is finding a British actor to play Saddam (well, it would be a Hollywierd film....).

I understand that there are plans to make "Good Omens" (casting that could be fun).

alanabit,

Wheatley's 'Roger Brook' series? Hmmm, they might need to get an historian involved in the script, Wheatley was a little, shall we say lax, in that department.

Regards

Walrus


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Subject: RE: BS: Movies they should make
From: MC Fat
Date: 16 Apr 03 - 05:48 AM

MC Fat - the Lean Years !!


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Subject: RE: BS: Movies they should make
From: GUEST,Bagpuss
Date: 16 Apr 03 - 06:12 AM

Walrus - Terry Gilliam is signed up to make Good Omens, but the last I heard (from Neil Gaimans blog) was that they are having trouble with the funding. I hope it has better luck than the Don Quixote movie he was last involved with.

Bagpuss


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Subject: RE: BS: Movies they should make
From: Rapparee
Date: 16 Apr 03 - 07:26 AM

MUCH of Robert Heinlein would be quite filmable IF they remained true to the original work. I'm glad Virginia threatened to sue over "Starship Troopers," as I found it to be a disappointment ("really sucked" better sums it up). A well done "Glory Road" would be excellent.

The "Sector General" series of James White -- oh yeah! Why TV hasn't snatched this up is beyond me.

I understand that Dana Stabenow's Kate Shugak series is to be filmed. That's great! And I don't think that Dana will put up with a lot of crappy changes.

I'd like to see a good film set in the Neolithic, but Jean Auel's stuff doesn't make it. Perhaps a good Bronze Age epic based on the "Tain" instead?

And why not put the Sister Fidelma stuff on film?

A good make of "A Canticle For Leibowitz" would be dynamite. For the kids, how about Isaac Asimov's "Lucky Starr" series (which he wrote as "Paul French")? While we're in SF, consider the Lensman series....


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Subject: RE: BS: Movies they should make
From: Amos
Date: 16 Apr 03 - 08:53 AM

It has always been a mystery to me why the Lensman series was never made -- it's such classic space opera. It would have out-done Star Trek!


A


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Subject: RE: BS: Movies they should make
From: alanabit
Date: 16 Apr 03 - 09:41 AM

Hey Walrus, you don't think Hollywood would be interested in history, do you? They pay folks good money to heave out stuff like historical accuracy!


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Subject: RE: BS: Movies they should make
From: Peg
Date: 16 Apr 03 - 11:25 AM

True, Clinton, Shadow should be a big guy; but I was thinking more of affect and intensity. And since most actors are tiny, Johnny Depp could look tall if he needed to...
Peter Fonda or Keith Carradine spring to mind but they are way too old.
There's a guy who was in Session 9 (can't remember his name) who'd be perfect now that I think of it...

Vin Diesel isn't an actor in my book; just a dumb bald hunk of meat.

As for Wednesday being Scandinavian, he didn't seem to be described that way in the book; big and imposing, more like. But in that case, maybe someone like Philip Seymour Hoffman or Ed Begley Jr.?


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Subject: RE: BS: Movies they should make
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 16 Apr 03 - 01:33 PM

" Vin Diesel isn't an actor in my book; just a dumb bald hunk of meat."

Then yer selling the dude short, Peg... His work is constantly improving, and I suspect it won't be long before we start to see him do some really wonderful stuff... Look at his fantastic work in The Iron Giant? :-)

(I'm also secretly hoping that xXx will replace James Bond in my life time... )

And I'm afraid that since you suggested him, I'm (o.k... 'we're', cause I brought it up with Herself over cooking dinner the other night and she agreed,) stuck on it now... Hackman is a really good idea for Wednesday... Maybe we should mail him a copy of the book, and suggest it to him eh?

On the subject of Good Omens... I have to admit, the book left me really cold, and I don't really see how such an "Internal monologue" drivein book can possibly ever make it to the big screen and still remain intact... I suspect it'll be another specatular failure like Johnny Mnemonic, and New Rose Hotel... The IMDB.com says "Status described as 'stalled' by the director in a recent Onion interview." and I have to admit, I kinda hope it stays that way...

Faerie Tale by Raymond Feist would make a GREAT medium budget horror/fantasy film... Kinda "Legend", meets "The Exorcist"! LOL


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Subject: RE: BS: Movies they should make
From: Firecat
Date: 16 Apr 03 - 04:10 PM

I reckon they should make "Moonwind", "The Warriors Of Taan" or "Children Of The Dust" by Louise Lawrence into films. I had to do an adaptation of a bit of "Children Of The Dust" for my A Level English coursework, and it worked really well. Any of L. J. Smith's Night World books would be good too, especially "Enchantress" or "Daughters Of Darkness"!


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Subject: RE: BS: Movies they should make
From: Bill D
Date: 16 Apr 03 - 07:55 PM

"Bill D.-I've never read that one. Is it sold as a novel, or only in anthologies?"...it is fairly short, and is no doubt only part of collections


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Subject: RE: BS: Movies they should make
From: Bill D
Date: 16 Apr 03 - 08:03 PM

Forum Lurker...well, I mis-spoke....look here

sources for book


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Subject: RE: BS: Movies they should make
From: GUEST
Date: 16 Apr 03 - 08:07 PM

raymond feist's krondor books...


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Subject: RE: BS: Movies they should make
From: MikeofNorthumbria
Date: 17 Apr 03 - 10:18 AM

A fascinating thread. Many admirable novels have already been proposed as candidates for moviedom, but here are a few more suggestions.

Confessions of a Justified Sinner - James Hogg
A Hero of Our Time - Mikhail Lermontov
The Light and the Dark - C P Snow
Stranger in a Strange Land - Robert Heinlein
The Left Hand of Darkness - Ursula LeGuin
The Satanic Verses - Salman Rushdie

And as for non-fictional sources - how about a bio-pic of Bob Copper, based on "A Song for Every Season"?

Wassail!


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Subject: RE: BS: Movies they should make
From: Forum Lurker
Date: 17 Apr 03 - 10:53 AM

I think "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress" might adapt to film more easily than "STranger in a Strange Land."


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Subject: RE: BS: Movies they should make
From: Peg
Date: 17 Apr 03 - 11:56 AM

I believe The Left Hand of Darkness has already been made into a film...or was that The Lathe of Heaven?


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Subject: RE: BS: Movies they should make
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 17 Apr 03 - 12:45 PM

IMDB finds no film version of The Left Hand of Darkness.. which is really too bad...

Lathe Of Heaven was made for TV twice... once in 1980 and again in 2002


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Subject: RE: BS: Movies they should make
From: jaze
Date: 17 Apr 03 - 07:13 PM

Sacajawea,by Anna Lee Waldo. An epic book that would make a great epic movie of the Lewis and Clark Expedition.


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Subject: RE: BS: Movies they should make
From: Gareth
Date: 18 Apr 03 - 02:35 PM

I see that my satirical comment on "Objective Bagdhad" seems to have gone under most peoples heads.

Gareth


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Subject: RE: BS: Movies they should make
From: The Walrus
Date: 18 Apr 03 - 05:23 PM

Gareth,

"Objective Bagdhad"

So we need an Americanised Tasmanian, a batch of American extras as cannon fodder, a couple of Hawaiiians to stand in as Gurkhas and a lot of chinese to act as the enemy.....

Oooops sorry, that's "Objective Burma"


"Objective Bagdhad" - Who do you reckon will get the lead, Stallone, Swartzenegger or Gibson?

Worried

Walrus


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Subject: RE: BS: Movies they should make
From: Ely
Date: 18 Apr 03 - 07:37 PM

It's too limited a subject to ever sell, but I always wished they would make a movie of the children's book _Thee, Hannah_ about a Quaker girl in Philadelphia in the 1850's. I'm a sucker for films with lots of costumes, but it has a nice little message about courage versus material frills.

I'd also like to see a film made about the escape from the Nazis of the Dutch writer Jan de Hartog (or, at least, Jan's version of his escape from the Nazis). If ever I could see Bruce Willis in a "historical" role, this is it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Movies they should make
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 18 Apr 03 - 08:59 PM

"The first problem is finding a British actor to play Saddam (well, it would be a Hollywierd film....)."

I have a feeling they might start going in for French villains.


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Subject: RE: BS: Movies they should make
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Apr 03 - 03:09 AM

the morgan llewyllyn books...like 1916, 1921....and red branch and the bard...


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Subject: RE: BS: Movies they should make
From: Peter Kasin
Date: 20 Apr 03 - 03:02 AM

Herbert Asbury's "The Barbary Coast." Spike Milligan's "Puckoon." John Steinbeck's "In Dubious Battle."

Chanteyranger


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Subject: RE: BS: Movies they should make
From: Peg
Date: 20 Apr 03 - 11:32 PM

Puckoon HAS been made into a film; it is showing in the Boston Irish film festival this coming Thursday...

www.irishfilmfestival.org


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Subject: RE: BS: Movies they should make
From: GUEST,Miss "Q" of Twillingsgate
Date: 21 Apr 03 - 01:51 PM

The world desperately needs a romantic film melodrama about the adventures of the plucky and beauteous Ms Penelope Rutledge (Twillingsgate's most desirable Lady Fair), the darkly dangerous Winston-Wellington Jones (the murderous aristocrat), and the dashing upstart Oakley (hairy but sincere farmer & fiddle player), with cameo appearances by Malcom Buggeroll (the perverted "Poet of the Highlands"). I get breathless just thinking about the possibilities! I think it would make a very good BBC weekly series too, for a run of at least five years.

Rumours are that Ms Rutledge has been slipping off to Hull regularly... Oh, my! It must be an interest in traditional music that has her so engaged.

Miss "Q"


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Subject: RE: BS: Movies they should make
From: Bert
Date: 01 Aug 11 - 05:57 PM

Lionel Bart's musical Maggie May


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Subject: RE: BS: Movies they should make
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 02 Aug 11 - 05:02 PM

The Reanimation of the Long Dead Thread.


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Subject: RE: BS: Movies they should make
From: Donuel
Date: 02 Aug 11 - 06:58 PM

Jesus - the lost teenage years.
George W - the lost adult years.
The Lost - My years with right wing faith based conservatives.


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Subject: RE: BS: Movies they should make
From: josepp
Date: 02 Aug 11 - 08:33 PM

I've written a few things that are actually movie ideas. I've never showed them to anyone. I would like to make a movie about the Oakland County Child-Killer but I doubt it could ever get off the ground because the families of the victims would probably get a court order to stop it. Part of reason would be because I don't agree with their conclusions concerning the identity of the killer--still never caught some 35 years later.

I wrote a sketch of a screenplay about the Benders--America's first known serial killers. I even envision Rachel McAdams as Katie Bender. She'd be perfect.

I wrote something a long time ago, I don't even know where the manuscript is, about a Japanese-American immigrant who wants to play sax in a jazz band against the wishes of his parents and ends up estranged from them. He journeys to Kansas City and tries to audtion for a spot in one of the better bands but the leader tells him he's not good enough. He befriends one of the horn men who starts teaching him the finer points of jazz playing. During the course of things, the band's arrangement notebook is stolen by another band so the leader, desperate to get it back, tells the Japanese guy, if he brings back the book, he'll give him a spot in the band. The other horn-player offers to accompany him so off they go across the American countryside chasing this other band. They end up in the Jim Crow south where the Japanese guy discovers just how much he doesn't fit into America. The racist southerners don't even know if they're supposed to serve him at the lunch counter or not. He gets the book back eventually, plays in the band, and impresses the other sax-players who start assimilating some of his riffs and runs. Then WW2 breaks out and the guy is interned. From there he goes to the 442nd where he loses an arm so that his music career is over when he returns to the States. When he hears the new players wailing, he can hear some of his old riffs but he has no one to tell, no one who listens or cares or believes him. After his death, someone uncovers a single photo of him playing with this band onstage but there are no known recordings so it is assumed he left no legacy behind. It's a commentary on how music is passed on more by the many unknowns who bore the torch than the few greats who often learned from them.

And as far as "American Gods" goes, Shadow should be played by Henry Rollins. That's who I kept seeing in my mind's eye as I read the story.


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Subject: RE: BS: Movies they should make
From: GUEST,Patsy
Date: 03 Aug 11 - 08:04 AM

A movie about the gypsy community in the UK, but any researcher would have such a task because they are such a private secret community. The outline of the story could be based around a family wedding and the 'Horse fayre' and everything that happens around it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Movies they should make
From: goatfell
Date: 03 Aug 11 - 10:00 AM

a film about Jim Reeves and one about Johnny Rameski from Scotland


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Subject: RE: BS: Movies they should make
From: olddude
Date: 03 Aug 11 - 10:24 AM

Peter Draggin
The heartwarming story of a boy and his wiener dog


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Subject: RE: BS: Movies they should make
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 03 Aug 11 - 10:45 AM

"A Boy and His Dog" Without Don Johnson and with decent special effects.


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Subject: RE: BS: Movies they should make
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 03 Aug 11 - 10:58 AM

Ring Worm. A Larry Niven story, much diminished, gone to the dogs.


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Subject: RE: BS: Movies they should make
From: Bill D
Date: 03 Aug 11 - 11:37 AM

...and a couple of fleas decide to explore it?


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Subject: RE: BS: Movies they should make
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 03 Aug 11 - 11:42 AM

Yeah! Fleas, played by Shia Labeuf and Megan Fox.


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