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Help: Why not paint a guitar?

Mrrzy 23 Apr 02 - 04:05 PM
kendall 23 Apr 02 - 04:27 PM
greg stephens 23 Apr 02 - 04:39 PM
Clinton Hammond 23 Apr 02 - 04:44 PM
Wesley S 23 Apr 02 - 05:04 PM
greg stephens 23 Apr 02 - 05:09 PM
Bert 23 Apr 02 - 06:01 PM
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Bert 23 Apr 02 - 06:08 PM
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Sorcha 23 Apr 02 - 06:26 PM
kendall 23 Apr 02 - 07:36 PM
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Clinton Hammond 23 Apr 02 - 08:24 PM
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Stephen L. Rich 23 Apr 02 - 09:21 PM
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KingBrilliant 24 Apr 02 - 04:07 AM
Llanfair 24 Apr 02 - 05:27 AM
songs2play 24 Apr 02 - 05:32 AM
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Subject: Why not paint a guitar?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 23 Apr 02 - 04:05 PM

I overheard the pawn shop guy telling one of my niblings never ever to paint a guitar, it makes it worthless. But I couldn't tell if they meant resale value or playability - is there some musical reason never to paint a guitar? Repaint, that is, if it's one color and you don't like it, can you paint it another? If not, how, exactly, does it ruin it... prevent the nice tone through less vibration, or what? Does it matter if it's an acoustic or electric?


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Subject: RE: Help: Why not paint a guitar?
From: kendall
Date: 23 Apr 02 - 04:27 PM

Buck Owens played one that was striped like the French flag. I've never hated one enough to do that to it.


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Subject: RE: Help: Why not paint a guitar?
From: greg stephens
Date: 23 Apr 02 - 04:39 PM

Picasso did, often


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Subject: RE: Help: Why not paint a guitar?
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 23 Apr 02 - 04:44 PM

When talking vintage, one must be VERY careful when it comes to restoration... Best to have a trained professional handle that...

If you just have an electric guitar that's one colour, and you wanna paint it another colour, I can't see how that's gonna do much one way or the other, except make you happy!

Anybody who paints an acoustic guitar should have their playing privileges revoked for life!


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Subject: RE: Help: Why not paint a guitar?
From: Wesley S
Date: 23 Apr 02 - 05:04 PM

Kendell - If I'm not mistaken Buck Owens had a Grammer guitar that was painted red, white, and blue.


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Subject: RE: Help: Why not paint a guitar?
From: greg stephens
Date: 23 Apr 02 - 05:09 PM

That is the the colour of the French flag isn't it? or am i missing something.


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Subject: RE: Help: Why not paint a guitar?
From: Bert
Date: 23 Apr 02 - 06:01 PM

It depends upon the value of the guitar and the thickness of the paint. I don't see anything wrong with a thin coat of paint on a cheapie guitar but I wouldn't paint any expensive guitar.

Seamus Kennedy has a painted guitar and it doesn't seem to adversely affect his performance in any way.


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Subject: RE: Help: Why not paint a guitar?
From: Sorcha
Date: 23 Apr 02 - 06:03 PM

Ask Seamus. His is painted green, orange and white. (Irish flag)


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Subject: RE: Help: Why not paint a guitar?
From: Bert
Date: 23 Apr 02 - 06:08 PM

Great minds think alike Sorkieluv.

Bertie


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Subject: RE: Help: Why not paint a guitar?
From: Anahootz
Date: 23 Apr 02 - 06:17 PM

Good acoustic guitars are finished with a balance of protection and playability in mind. To that end, the laquer must be thick enough to protect the guitar, but thin enough to not dampen the tone. An additional coat or two of paint would brobably affect the tone, if only slightly.

I personally think that painting over a beautiful wood like spruce is about the stupidest thing an instrument owner could do...then again, there was a legendary mandolin player (who shall remain nameless) who painted his '23 Loar with BAKE-ON FINISH, and put it in the oven at 325 degrees.


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Subject: RE: Help: Why not paint a guitar?
From: Sorcha
Date: 23 Apr 02 - 06:26 PM

Bertie, where the DEVIL are you???? You've been awfully quiet for a looooong time!


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Subject: RE: Help: Why not paint a guitar?
From: kendall
Date: 23 Apr 02 - 07:36 PM

I know a guy who painted his mandolin with three coats of dark green LEAD based paint. His gene pool needs more chlorine


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Subject: RE: Help: Why not paint a guitar?
From: Bobert
Date: 23 Apr 02 - 07:45 PM

Ebay is filled with beaters just waiting to be dressed up but, for God's sake, if ol' bobert hears of anyone going out painting up an old Martin, if C.F.'s ghost don't get ya'... I will.


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Subject: RE: Help: Why not paint a guitar?
From: catspaw49
Date: 23 Apr 02 - 07:50 PM

So what color is your D-18 Bobertz? I figger you for an off-white with pink and green daisies. (I went for the lavender with the yellow orchids myself)

Spaw


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Subject: RE: Help: Why not paint a guitar?
From: Bobert
Date: 23 Apr 02 - 08:07 PM

GGGGGGUUUUUUUUUURRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!! BAD SPAWZER!!!!BAD!!!!


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Subject: RE: Help: Why not paint a guitar?
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 23 Apr 02 - 08:24 PM

An old Martin? I'd opt for vinyl siding on it instead of paint...


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Subject: RE: Help: Why not paint a guitar?
From: Anahootz
Date: 23 Apr 02 - 08:59 PM

I would Martinize it...or was that Simonize?


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Subject: RE: Help: Why not paint a guitar?
From: catspaw49
Date: 23 Apr 02 - 09:05 PM

What the hell is Martinizing anyway? I used to have all my laundry done at a "Martinizing" Cleaners and I'll be damned if I ever got a guitar outta' those folks!

Spaw


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Subject: RE: Help: Why not paint a guitar?
From: 53
Date: 23 Apr 02 - 09:14 PM

Why would you want to paint a guitar unless you are using it as a subject for art class.


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Subject: RE: Help: Why not paint a guitar?
From: Stephen L. Rich
Date: 23 Apr 02 - 09:21 PM

Decorating an acoustic guitar is not completely unprecedented.

During WWII woody Guthrie put a sign on his guitar which said, "This machine kills Fascists!"

Pete Seeger wrote the words "This machine surrounds hate and forces it to surrender" on his banjo head.

If I'm not mistaken Art Thieme wrote "This machine kills roaches" on HIS banjo head.

What needs to be done is to bring the idea full circle by putting a sign on an acoustic guitar which says, "This machine kills germs that cause bad breath".


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Subject: RE: Help: Why not paint a guitar?
From: Anahootz
Date: 23 Apr 02 - 10:05 PM

Damn, that reminds me of a great story, but I can't remember the "famous line" guy...At any rate, there was a jam going on at a festival, and a well-known mandolin player had the dubious honor of being sandwiched by rank amateurs, one with a mediocre banjo and even more mediocre talent. At some point during the jam, the banjo hack lurched to his feet with a look of horror on his face and exclaimed "SHIT, There's a big spider in my Banjo! Somebody kill it!"

Without missing a beat, the WKMP (well known mandolin player, whose name I have forgotten) says "Just keep playing like that and you will."

We now return you to your previously uncreeping thread.


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Subject: RE: Help: Why not paint a guitar?
From: KingBrilliant
Date: 24 Apr 02 - 04:07 AM

I painted a cheapie one up for Amoret when she was about 5. It was lovely deep blue and orange - and I really loved playing it, just because I liked it (it didn't sound very good).
Then Mark came home over-refreshed from the pub and put a foot through it.
Heartbroken I was.
My current Norman guitar suits my personality. I have decorated it with celtic-ish patterns in those "temporary tattoo" things, with a whole load of shiny stick-on sparkly things (including a swarm of stick-on shiny bees), and 3 stick-on Izone polaroid photos of Mark Hamm & I.
Doesn't sound any the worse for all the luggage, because my playing is pretty basic anyway.
I love it in all its crass splendour!
Can't see anyone nicking it ever either!

Kris


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Subject: RE: Help: Why not paint a guitar?
From: Llanfair
Date: 24 Apr 02 - 05:27 AM

I acquire cheap, untunable ones from sales and car boots, and apply paint and decoupage, followed by a few layers of varnish.

People buy them to hang on the wall, they look really good.

Cheers, Bron.


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Subject: RE: Help: Why not paint a guitar?
From: songs2play
Date: 24 Apr 02 - 05:32 AM

As far as I can remember Donovan had a night sky painted on the front of his guitar, complete with a dirty great big moon and stars. Didn't appear to affect his sound too much.


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Subject: RE: Help: Why not paint a guitar?
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 24 Apr 02 - 05:35 AM

Anahootz: Simonize?
Did you hear about the fella who took his car to a Jewish garage and asked for it to be "Simonized" ?
The cut 3 inches of the tailpipe ( U.K. exhaust)


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Subject: RE: Help: Why not paint a guitar?
From: GUEST,Owain
Date: 24 Apr 02 - 08:43 AM

Don't think Buck Owens would have painted his guitar to look like the 'French' flag, do you? And the one he played on Hee Haw was a Harmony, I think. A friend of mine had a 'Buck Owens' model...sounded like crap, but I thought it looked cool. Though maybe his was a Grammer and Harmony had the cheapo imitation. Anyone know for sure? Didn't Gibson have some black acoustics years ago? And I 'know' Taylor's got a blue model and Alvarez-Yairi has one that's purple. So much for taste.


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Subject: RE: Help: Why not paint a guitar?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 24 Apr 02 - 09:50 AM

The US flag is red, white and blue. The French flag is blue, white and red. And I guess the guy must have been talking resale value, since it was an electric one that was being discussed... thanks, all.


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Subject: RE: Help: Why not paint a guitar?
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 24 Apr 02 - 10:22 AM

There's really no difference between paint and varnish except for trhe opaque pigment incorporated in the paint. I think that some of the "sunburst" finishes popular on archtop guitars could qualify as painted.

The only problem (aside from looks)in panting a guitar is the additional mass of the additional finish which will tend to deaden the sound. You could get the same deleterious effect from adding more varnish--you'd just have to add a bit more to make up the added mass of the pigment.


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Subject: RE: Help: Why not paint a guitar?
From: Dave Bryant
Date: 24 Apr 02 - 10:38 AM

Many artists have - there's a fine painting by Van Gogh.


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Subject: RE: Help: Why not paint a guitar?
From: Wincing Devil
Date: 24 Apr 02 - 02:58 PM

Buck Owens "gitar" was red white and blue in honor of the American flag, not the French.


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Subject: RE: Help: Why not paint a guitar?
From: Don Firth
Date: 24 Apr 02 - 03:09 PM

I cringe at the thought!

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: Help: Why not paint a guitar?
From: Marc
Date: 24 Apr 02 - 05:10 PM

Isn't The Russian flag Red, White and Blue also? Hmm!


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Subject: RE: Help: Why not paint a guitar?
From: Stephen L. Rich
Date: 24 Apr 02 - 05:25 PM

It's a very popular color scheme.


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Subject: RE: Help: Why not paint a guitar?
From: Marc
Date: 24 Apr 02 - 05:42 PM

But was Buck Owens playing on a French, American, or maybe Russian flag. Aren't all us folk musicians communists after all?


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Subject: RE: Help: Why not paint a guitar?
From: Ned Ludd
Date: 24 Apr 02 - 07:48 PM

No difference between paint and varnish except transparency. Thickness is important though. The average number of coats on a Violin is 15 to 20. Much of that is rubbed back though, so the effective finish is thinner.


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Subject: RE: Help: Why not paint a guitar?
From: Wilfried Schaum
Date: 25 Apr 02 - 03:50 AM

About the tricolore:
USA: red - white - blue
France: blue - white - red
Russia: white - blue - red

For reference look up: http://www.fg-a.com/flags.htm (animated).

Wilfried


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Subject: RE: Help: Why not paint a guitar?
From: Charley Noble
Date: 25 Apr 02 - 05:47 PM

Painting a guitar is so boring when you could be carpeting it, or at the very least using textured paint, stirring up little mountains, making crators. I understand some modern artists even employ cow dung in their truly creative efforts. The vinyl siding idea is not such a bad one but how about tar and feathers?;~)

Back to my peaceful banjo picking.


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Subject: RE: Help: Why not paint a guitar?
From: Chicken Charlie
Date: 25 Apr 02 - 07:22 PM

The man bent over his guitar,
A shearsman of sorts.
The day was green.
They said, "You have a blue guitar,
You do not play things as they are."
The man replied, "Things as they are
Are changed upon the blue guitar."

Wallace Stevens, "The Man with the Blue Guitar"

I always wanted to get an old junker, paint it cobalt blue, and recite that whole poem to a background of C#m13 arpeggios. But I'm too busy walking my dogs.

CC


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Subject: RE: Help: Why not paint a guitar?
From: GUEST,Russian Guitarist
Date: 07 Aug 11 - 12:11 PM

I'm getting my guitar painted like a Russian flag with the flag of the city I was born in under the bridge. So awesome...


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Subject: RE: Help: Why not paint a guitar?
From: Beer
Date: 07 Aug 11 - 12:46 PM

Well I have to admit that when I was 22/23 I sanded and had a friend paint my Yamaha 180. This was the first guitar I purchased in 1963. Still have it and sounds great but I'm kicking myself for doing this.
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Subject: RE: Help: Why not paint a guitar?
From: frogprince
Date: 07 Aug 11 - 12:50 PM

Guest Russian Guitarist, which bridge were you born under? : )


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Subject: RE: Help: Why not paint a guitar?
From: GUEST,999
Date: 07 Aug 11 - 01:07 PM

Why not paint a guitar? It's been done.


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Subject: RE: Help: Why not paint a guitar?
From: kendall
Date: 07 Aug 11 - 01:14 PM

The British Union flag is also red white and blue.


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Subject: RE: Help: Why not paint a guitar?
From: michaelr
Date: 07 Aug 11 - 01:16 PM

Seamus Kennedy's guitar is painted with the Irish flag.


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Subject: RE: Help: Why not paint a guitar?
From: Barbara
Date: 07 Aug 11 - 01:38 PM

Beer, you could probably reverse that process and have a plain guitar again. Possibly the paint could be removed with a solvent that would not also harm the underlying finish. Or you could sand it off and restore the finish. PM me if you want more specifics. Caveat: any time you change the surface of the top (the sound board) you change the sound of the guitar. That's probably why people nix painting. Also because it's tacky.
I would think that the pigment in paint might make a difference in the sound, guys.
Blessings,
Barbara


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Subject: RE: Help: Why not paint a guitar?
From: Beer
Date: 07 Aug 11 - 01:44 PM

Thank you Barbara but the damage has been done and it reminds me of a time when many of us were just a bit crazy and growing old was the furthest thing in our mind.
ad.


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Subject: RE: Help: Why not paint a guitar?
From: GUEST,999
Date: 07 Aug 11 - 01:44 PM

I painted my first guitar--a Stella. Didn't change the sound one bit:-)


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Subject: RE: Help: Why not paint a guitar?
From: Nick
Date: 07 Aug 11 - 01:55 PM

I think Beer's guitar is rather nice. Individual and all that. And if it sounds good and is still being played *shrug*

Looks nothing like my FG180 which I bought in 1972 though. Must have changed them quite a lot


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Subject: RE: Help: Why not paint a guitar?
From: olddude
Date: 07 Aug 11 - 02:17 PM

Why not paint it, heck I saw that old Bobster has a chevy hubcap glued to one of his


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Subject: RE: Help: Why not paint a guitar?
From: fat B****rd
Date: 07 Aug 11 - 03:43 PM

Dan, me old love, you're on thin Bobert ice with that 'hubcap' remark. It was a joke, wasn't it?
These bluesmen can be awful mean you know.


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