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Subject: RE: 'Unprintable Songs' (Randolph/Legman)
From: Lighter
Date: 13 Jan 19 - 07:00 PM

https://listserv.brown.edu/archives/cgi-bin/wa?A2=fiddle-l;31e2f9d7.9808A


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Subject: RE: 'Unprintable Songs' (Randolph/Legman)
From: GUEST,Larry
Date: 13 Jan 19 - 06:47 PM

Looking for the words to "The Old Black Cat Shit in the Shavings" anybody have IDEAL where we can find them???



    Hi, Larry - I posted the lyrics from Randolph/Legman above (click) in 2002. That's the only version I can find.
    -Joe Offer, Mudcat Music Editor-


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Subject: RE: 'Unprintable Songs' (Randolph/Legman)
From: Joe Offer
Date: 26 May 17 - 01:20 AM

So, Gargoyle....

Back in 2003, you asked me to enter the song numbers for all the songs in the first volume of Randolph-Legman. But in the same message, you promised to post the index of the second volume - and you didn't complete the job.

So, in the interest of collaboration, isn't it time for you to get back to work?

Cheers!

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: 'Unprintable Songs' (Randolph/Legman)
From: GUEST,RA
Date: 23 May 17 - 05:11 PM

Great! Also, I was told by the bookseller when I bought my copy of Scott's 'Minstrelsy of the Scottish Border' in the town of Callander, Perthshire, that it came from the library of the late Naomi Mitchison - although I have no proof of that.


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Subject: RE: 'Unprintable Songs' (Randolph/Legman)
From: Joe Offer
Date: 23 May 17 - 11:43 AM

This exchange over the last few days, makes my "Best of Mudcat" list. I have a few songbooks myself that have interesting names written inside.
I got to Moe's Books in Berkeley, California, right after minor legend Barry Olivier unloaded a large supply of folksong books.
-Joe-


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Subject: RE: 'Unprintable Songs' (Randolph/Legman)
From: GUEST,Hootenanny
Date: 23 May 17 - 06:03 AM

I can't remember her exact title but I believe Judith was head of the Southern Folk Life Centre in Memphis which is where I met her. I still have her card somewhere. I believe she then went on to work at the University of Illinois Press in the Music in American Life series.
I believe she passed away a few years back.


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Subject: RE: 'Unprintable Songs' (Randolph/Legman)
From: GUEST,RA
Date: 23 May 17 - 06:03 AM

Thanks, Lighter - I think you're right. Looking more closely it actually reads 'J McCulloh', not 'McCulloch'... and the folklorist Judith's surname is/was actually McCulloh. Still I wonder how it ended up in a Scottish charity shop rather than a US thrift store...


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Subject: RE: 'Unprintable Songs' (Randolph/Legman)
From: GUEST,Lighter
Date: 22 May 17 - 12:40 PM

Folklorist Judith McCulloch, author of "In the pines : the melodic textual identity of an American lyric" (1975)?


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Subject: RE: 'Unprintable Songs' (Randolph/Legman)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 22 May 17 - 11:52 AM

I once wrote to Legman to find out where I could find a copy of his "Rationale of the Dirty Joke" vol 2, No Laughing Matter" - his "Dirty" Dirty Jokes"
He directed me to a seedy book company in Soho (London) which also stocked (and may have published) the "Rude Food" books
At the time, it was the only stockist who would handle it
Legman lived in a Knight Templar's Palace in Verbonne, in the South of France
It was once rumoured that there would be a shortage of cooking oil, so he filled his home with cans of it, just in case
Not many people know that
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: 'Unprintable Songs' (Randolph/Legman)
From: GUEST,RA
Date: 21 May 17 - 06:38 PM

Today in a second-hand bookshop in Glasgow, Scotland I bought a copy of the 1982 one-volume edition of Randolph's 'Ozark Folksongs' - a copy signed '1982 G Legman - ex dono J McCulloch' and with several annotations and markings by Legman (and possibly other hands). I wonder how this copy, which apparently belonged to Gershon Legman at some point, ended up here in Scotland? I know from Tim Neat's biography of Hamish Henderson that Legman and Henderson had fairly extensive communications, about bawdy material in Scottish tradition in particular - but does anybody know who this 'J McCulloch' might be?


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Subject: RE: 'Unprintable Songs' (Randolph/Legman)
From: Stewie
Date: 29 Mar 16 - 10:56 AM

My copy of 'The Horn Book' is an English printing - Jonathan Cape 1970 (copyright Legman 1964).

--Stewie.


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Subject: RE: 'Unprintable Songs' (Randolph/Legman)
From: Joe Offer
Date: 28 Mar 16 - 05:57 PM

OK, so you have Easter Monday out of the way. So, how 'bout doing Easter Tuesday and the rest of the days for a whole year? What a concept!
That would make me very Happy!

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: 'Unprintable Songs' (Randolph/Legman)
From: Abby Sale
Date: 28 Mar 16 - 11:22 AM

Hmm. I didn't think of that. I'll have to look into it, Joe.

Of course I did sing "Week Before Easter" and there's "Lolly Toodum" for today (It was on a Easter Monday, in the spring time of the year, etc)

And at the mildest end of "inappropriate:"

       'Twas on last Easter Monday, the day appointed was,
        For me to go down in the broom to meet my bonny lass.
        How sweet and pleasant was the day I kept her company,
        She was low, low down in the broom awaiting there for me.

                "Low Down in the Broom" from Purslow, Frank, (1968),
                The Wanton Seed, EDFS, London


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Subject: RE: 'Unprintable Songs' (Randolph/Legman)
From: Joe Offer
Date: 22 Mar 16 - 01:28 PM

This thread was refreshed by Spam that I deleted, but it was nice to see the thread again. The Randolph-Legman books are real treasures. Volume 1 (Roll Me In Your Arms) is folksongs and music, and Volume 2 Blow the Candle Out) is rhymes and other lore. Both are great books, but I prefer the songs. As Abby points out, Volume 2 has the index, so you need both.
And it seems appropriately inappropriate to have a few dirty songs during Holy Week....

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: 'Unprintable Songs' (Randolph/Legman)
From: GUEST
Date: 26 Feb 15 - 09:33 PM

The old cat s--- in the shavings,
the old man thought it was raisins


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Subject: RE: 'Unprintable Songs' (Randolph/Legman)
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 02 Jul 12 - 04:03 PM

Our copies of Roll Me In Your Arms and Blow the Candle Out were direct order from the publisher at the Univ of Arkansas, ca 2002. Recollection is that we waited for a few months until they did a reprint run, so we might have been the "next to last" order they were waiting for ... .

My copy of the Horn book was new, sometime after about 2003, but I don't recall whether we ordered it or it just "showed up" - possibly at Barnes.

The Horn Book shows the publisher as:

UNIVERSITY BOOKS INC.
NEW HYDE PARK, NEW YORK

First Printing February 1964
Second Printing January 1966
COPYRIGHT © 1964 BY G. LEGMAN
Library of Congress Catalog Number: 63-19743
Printed in the United States of America


Sometimes a publisher can run a few more copies if there's sufficient demand, and as long as they have the "setup" it's still part of the same "printing." It's often worthwhile to contact the publisher directly to at least ask if another run is likely, especially for something that's "not quite a best seller."

Book sellers of reasonable size can usually look up a book for you quite easily and can often give helpful clues about how to get one, even if they can't (or won't) order a particular one for you. Unfortunately, Barnes is about the only one of that kind left in my town, although they've been helpful a couple of times when they couldn't do much about actually getting something for us themselves.

John


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Subject: RE: 'Unprintable Songs' (Randolph/Legman)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 02 Jul 12 - 02:38 PM

"kindle"
If it's not a method of lighting a fire, perhaps it should be.
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: 'Unprintable Songs' (Randolph/Legman)
From: Joe Offer
Date: 02 Jul 12 - 02:01 PM

I've found the best place for used books in the U.S. is bookfinder.com - click here for copies of The Horn Book, which don't seem overly expensive.

EBarnacle, I know that fourth volume of Randolph's Ozark Folksongs is not cheapo, but you know you're going to regret it if you don't get it....


-Joe, living a life of regret-


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Subject: RE: 'Unprintable Songs' (Randolph/Legman)
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 02 Jul 12 - 01:55 PM

The hefty two-volume set by Randolph and Legman, "Roll Me in Your Arms" and "Blow the Candle Out" are always close at hand. Much information in addition to the Ozark songs and music. The first volume is getting expensive, but volume 2 is easily obtainable.

I don't have The Horn Book. Any source?


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Subject: RE: 'Unprintable Songs' (Randolph/Legman)
From: GUEST,Hootenanny
Date: 02 Jul 12 - 12:22 PM

Jim,
Not that it is important but the copy I have I obtained about 25 plus years back from someone who I was led to believe got it through Ewan some years earlier?
So I don't know if it is more freely available.
I wonder if it will ever be available on kindle - whatever that is..

Hoot.


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Subject: RE: 'Unprintable Songs' (Randolph/Legman)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 02 Jul 12 - 10:46 AM

"There is another copy of the second series "dirty dirty jokes"
Pleased to hear it Hoot - as I said, we had to contact him direct and then pick it up from a dirty bookshop in Soho - good to know it's more freely available than it was when we got ours.
From what I've heard of him, he always struck me as a delightful eccentric.
We were told that at one time he had heard that there was going to be a shortage of cooking oil, so visitors to his Knights Templar's palace had to wind their way through stockpiled tins of the stuff to get in - couldn't swear to the truth of that.
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: 'Unprintable Songs' (Randolph/Legman)
From: GUEST,Hootenanny
Date: 02 Jul 12 - 10:13 AM

Jim Carroll,
There is another copy of the second series "dirty dirty jokes" in Britain. I have a hard back copy in England.
I would assume that there are several more and probably from the same source that I suspect your copy originated.

Hoot


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Subject: RE: 'Unprintable Songs' (Randolph/Legman)
From: GUEST,Lighter
Date: 02 Jul 12 - 10:05 AM

The meticulous Yale Book of Quotations credits Legman with coining the phrase, "Make love, not war."

Back in the '70s, I sent Legman the text of "The Rover" that he prints as a forerunner of "The One-Eyed Riley." (I also helped him verify Mark Twain's verse about impotence.) Judith Legman could not have "destroyed" his folklore collection: she helped him collect it!

Somebody may be thinking of Sir Richard Burton's papers, allegedly destroyed by his wife back in the Victorian age.

Then there's the question what (if anything) may have happened to Stan Hugill's uncensored collection of shanties.


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Subject: RE: 'Unprintable Songs' (Randolph/Legman)
From: EBarnacle
Date: 02 Jul 12 - 08:28 AM

Directly a propos this thread, the University of Missouri Press is being closed due to budgetary issues.

When I just checked [Thanks, Joe, for the link.] Ozark Folk Songs is above $50 per volume.


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Subject: RE: 'Unprintable Songs' (Randolph/Legman)
From: Ross Campbell
Date: 02 Jul 12 - 08:20 AM

re Gershon Legman - "He was personally responsible for the whole Western interest in origami - from his 1955 exhibit. " (Abby Sale, 05 Apr 02 above)

At first I thought "origami" might have been a mondegreen for "oragenitalism", as in "Oragenitalism: An Encyclopaedic Outline of Oral Technique in Genital Excitation" (Legman, Gershon [de La Glannege, Roger-Maxe])

One copy available via Bookfinder.com, £1605.73 inc postage if you're interested, from The Country Bookshop, Plainfield, Vermont:- "New York: Self Published, 1940. This is the very rare first edition which Legman probably self published. The bulk of the edition was purportedly seized by the government as pornographic. This copy has an inscription in Legman's distinctive handwriting, "for Alice / see p. 45" leading to a description of a woman who put sugar on her fulva in order to let flies tickle her. Slight soil on covers. . First Edition. Hard Cover. Very Good/No Dust Jacket. 8vo - over 7 3/4 " - 9 3/4 " tall."

But no, David Lister of the British Origami Society has this very full description of Legman's interest and influence in the field of paper-folding -

http://www.britishorigami.info/academic/lister/legman.php

Ross


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Subject: RE: 'Unprintable Songs' (Randolph/Legman)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 02 Jul 12 - 07:05 AM

"Are they difficult to come by?"
Not sure - The Horn Book was fairly easy to come by 20 years ago - not seen it for a long time though.
Rationale came in 2 large volumes (hardbacks) - the first ('clean' dirty jokes) was published in paperback, but I never saw a copy of the second ('dirty' dirty jokes) in Britain in any form apart from the one we got.
The Limerick and The New Limerick was published in paperback and was endlessly plundered in smutty paperback form, incomplete and minus annotation, of course.
"There were several books...."
Two other Legman works to search out are a pamphlet entitled 'The Fake Revolt' (Breaking Point NY 1969) and 'Love and Death' A study in censorship (Hacker Arts Books NY 1963) - both well worth having.
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: 'Unprintable Songs' (Randolph/Legman)
From: ChrisJBrady
Date: 02 Jul 12 - 06:12 AM

There was a poem I heard in a folk club in the 1960s - maybe recited by someone from the Nottingham Traditional Singers Club in the 1960s. It was about a knight trying to lay a woman he'd captured. But she was a virgin and he found the act impossible due to various physiological barriers. Eventually he used his sword to break down her 'resistance' to the benefit of both. The poem was actually hilariously funny - probably not PC today though - but then was a student at the time. Does anyone know of it. BTW it is not Jeremy Taylor's "Chastity Belt" which is similar but the details are wrong.


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Subject: RE: 'Unprintable Songs' (Randolph/Legman)
From: GUEST,Hootenanny
Date: 02 Jul 12 - 05:41 AM

In reply to a question above; I have a copy of the Horn Book and also No Laughing Matter - The Rationale of the Dirty Joke.
Are they difficult to come by?

Hoot


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Subject: RE: 'Unprintable Songs' (Randolph/Legman)
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 02 Jul 12 - 03:35 AM

There were several books that Legman had in his personal collection that he indicated he was attempting to get published.

There were, according to my scant recollection, some indications of interest from a couple of publishers or other collectors, but a news(?) report not long after his death claimed that his widow "destroyed everything." (One can never be really sure about what anyone says about such material?)

I don't have any records (damned floppies!) but I remember having a small local wake.

John


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Subject: RE: 'Unprintable Songs' (Randolph/Legman)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 02 Jul 12 - 03:05 AM

I am always sorry I never got to meet Legman, he appeared to be a fascinating man, though I did have a postal encounter with him at the time of his publishing the second volume of his 'The Rationale of the Dirty Joke' - No Laughing Matter.
We tried to buy a copy, but found it was virtually unobtainable in Britain (in the mid - 70s).
At the suggestion of MacColl and Seeger, we wrote to him and recieved a courteous reply with an address, telling us that he had contacted his London agent instructing him that if we should call, to let us have a copy.
We were given an address in one of the more seedy streets in Soho; when we called we found it to be situated right in the heart of the red-light district in a bookshop that dealt with bawdy, erotic and outright obscene publications - an unusual source for what I believe to be one of the great studies of bawdy amd erotic humour!
MacColl and Seeger were great friends with and admirers of him; they told me they one stayed with him in an old Knights Templar's palace somewwheer in Southern France (Valbonne?)
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: 'Unprintable Songs' (Randolph/Legman)
From: Uke
Date: 01 Jul 12 - 11:52 PM

I've got a "Horn Book" too & the two Randolph/Legman collections.

Legman is incredibly erudite. I can't help feeling he was also a deeply angry person, though, probably about being overlooked by academia. He goes into rant mode a lot.


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Subject: RE: 'Unprintable Songs' (Randolph/Legman)
From: Joe Offer
Date: 01 Jul 12 - 11:21 PM

Well, it ain't cheap, EBarnacle, but try this link for the 1980 paperback edition of Volume 4 of Ozark Folksongs.

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: 'Unprintable Songs' (Randolph/Legman)
From: EBarnacle
Date: 01 Jul 12 - 10:51 PM

As a book collector, I have a problem.
Does anyone have an extra copy of volume 4 of Randolph's Ozark Folk Songs?


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Subject: RE: 'Unprintable Songs' (Randolph/Legman)
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 01 Jul 12 - 08:22 PM

I probably should count as half-a-one since my copy is (now) a PDF.

I did have a copy of his "Bibliography"1 that was published in the Journal of American Folklore, I think a little after the Hornbook, but my copy (scans of the few hundred pages) was on 3.5" floppies that were unreadable by the time I got started putting stuff on more permanent(?) media. I think(?) the biblio was after publication of the Horn Book, and his editing of Randolph - but at least a ocuple of years before his death (1999?).

Unfortunately my citation for the JAF article went away with the scans, and my local library (so far as I've found) doesn't want to work on getting an index to look it up again. (The library at the University of Washington - Seattle had a copy of the Journal for the year/quarter the biblio was published.)

1 That might be the bibliography that he complained "didn't exist" in the Horn Book? (He did say he might have to make one.)

John


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Subject: RE: 'Unprintable Songs' (Randolph/Legman)
From: Joe Offer
Date: 01 Jul 12 - 07:15 PM

I got an e-mail today from somebody who had thought he was the only Mudcatter who had a copy of Legman's The Horn Book (1964), but then found one other Mudcatter with the book. I've got one, and I'm betting that Dick Greenhaus and Q have copies. Sandy Paton probably had one. Anybody else?

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: 'Unprintable Songs'
From: Rowan
Date: 03 Apr 09 - 12:08 AM

At this year's National Folk Festival (Easter, in Canberra) Mudcatter Bodgie will be leading a singing session (evening of Good Friday) concentrating on songs such as those collected by Randolph and Legman.

Yours truly will be contributing some remembered from his youth.

Cheers, Rowan


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Subject: RE: 'Unprintable Songs'
From: GUEST,fuelair
Date: 02 Apr 09 - 08:06 PM

Re: University Presses, Legman, Randolph and Cray. Legman seems to have believed that Cray censored himself. I am of that opinion myself as he could have re-edited/repaired if he had chosen too.


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Subject: RE: 'Unprintable Songs'
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 19 Oct 07 - 06:35 AM

What story? This thread has several interesting bits in it.
G.


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Subject: daniel in the lions den
From: GUEST,graham a
Date: 19 Oct 07 - 06:28 AM

i am trying to find the words to the above story. a lad at the local rugby club used to recite it many years ago.i can only remember short pieces of it, but thought the story very funny at the time.
   can anyone help?


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Subject: RE: 'Unprintable Songs'
From: Lighter
Date: 16 Jun 04 - 10:42 PM

Precisely.


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Subject: RE: 'Unprintable Songs'
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 16 Jun 04 - 10:40 AM

The Sound of History, 1988.


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Subject: RE: 'Unprintable Songs'
From: Lighter
Date: 16 Jun 04 - 10:35 AM

Roy Palmer printed a photo of the original broadside of "The Yorkshire Damosel" (one of the rare ones with the tune written out) in one of his many fine books (title escapes me) at least a dozen years ago.


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Subject: RE: 'Unprintable Songs'
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 15 Jun 04 - 07:10 PM

See also Folklore: Meaning of 'bugger-boo' which has pertinent references.


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Subject: Lyr Add: THE FOGGY FOGGY DEW
From: Abby Sale
Date: 15 Jun 04 - 06:55 PM

Well, done, Malcolm. Trust Bruce - he nearly always had something. I missed that one. This is the format that Lloyd suggests (and seems to be in other versions) that the spirit is really a friend of Bachelor pretenting in order to scare Maid.

I guess this song is just at the lighter end of bawdy/erotic and that's it. Here's a text from immortalia.com, the great bawdy website. An unusual sad ending:

The Foggy Dew
Sung by Phil Hammond.

Recorded by Peter Kennedy in Morston, Norfolk, England, in 1952.

    O, I am a bachelor and I live atone,
    And I work in the weaver's trade.
    And the only, only thing that I ever done wrong
    Was courtin' a fair young maid.
    I courted her one summertime,
    And all the winter too.
    And the only, only thing that I never should 'ave done
    Was to save her from the foggy, foggy dew.

    I got that tired of living alone,
    I says to her one day,
    "I've a nice little crib in my old shack,
    Where you might safety lay.
    You'll be all right in the summertime,
    And in the winter, too,
    And you'll lay right warm and take no harm
    Away from the foggy, foggy dew."

    "I don't think much of this old shack,
    And I shall lonely be,
    With only that poor old Cyprus cat
    To keep me company.
    There's a cricket singing on the hearth
    And what can that thing do,
    If the night turn raw and the fire won't draw,
    To keep me from the foggy, foggy dew?"

    One night she come to my bedside,
    Time I lay fast asleep.
    She puts her head down on my bed,
    And she starts in to weep.
    She yelled and cried, she well nigh die,
    She say," What shall I do?"
    So I haul her into bed and I cover up her head,
    To save her from the foggy, foggy dew.

    Says I, "My dear, lay close to me,
    And wipe away them tears,"
    And I hauled her shift up over her head,
    And I wrapped it round her ears.
    We was all right in the wintertime,
    And in the summer, too.
    And I held her tight that livelong night
    To save her from the foggy, foggy dew.

    "Now, lay you still, you silly young fool,
    And don't you feel afraid,
    For if you want to work with me,
    You got to learn your trade."
    I learned her all that summertime,
    And all the winter, too.
    And truth to tell, she learned that well,
    She saved us from the foggy, foggy dew.

    One night I laid there, good as gold,
    And then she say to me,
    "I've got a pain without my back,
    Where no pain ought to be.
    We was all right in the summer time,
    And in the winter, too.
    But I've took some ill or a kind of chill,
    From laying in the foggy, foggy dew."

    One night she start to moan and cry.
    Says I, "What's up with you?"
    She say, "I never should 'ave been this way,
    If that hadn't 'ave been for you."
    I got my boots and trousers on,
    And I got my neighbour, too.
    But do what we would, we couldn't do no good,
    And she died in the foggy, foggy dew.

    So now I'm a bachelor, I live with my son,
    And we work at the weaver's trade.
    And every single time I look into his face,
    I see the eyes of that fair young maid.
    It reminds me of the summertime,
    And of the winter, too.
    And the many, many nights she laid in my arms,
    Just to save her from the foggy, foggy dew.


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Subject: RE: 'Unprintable Songs'
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 15 Jun 04 - 05:20 PM

For a 17th century form, see this text posted some time ago by Bruce Olson: The Fright'ned Yorkshire Damosel, Or, Fear Dispears'd by Pleasure


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Subject: RE: 'Unprintable Songs'
From: Abby Sale
Date: 15 Jun 04 - 04:58 PM

There are many, many versions of "Foggy Foggy Dew." The Irish song, however is about the Easter Rising and completely unrelated.

I've never seen anything approaching a bawdy version. There are basically two types, Comic and Love (ie tender, especially MacColl).

Little has to be changed to go from the one to the other in the text - just a few words make a huge difference.

'Bugaboo' versions "explain" what's happening and are usually trick songs - he more clearly sets up the situation to trick her into bed, it's not just a chance opportunity. (If you come across an old 'bugaboo' version, please let me know. The suggestion is that this is the root song and explains what is going on but collected versions seem much later than 'foggy dew' versions and may only be after-the-fact explanations.)

There is also a more PC older version where they more share responsibility & pleasure.

No reason there couldn't be a bawdy version out there - but it would be rare.


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Subject: RE: 'Unprintable Songs'
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 15 Jun 04 - 01:38 PM

The 2d ed. of Ed Cray moves it to page 62 and retitles. In 1st ed. it was just The Foggy Dew but in the 2d he remarks that he's now called it The Foggy, Foggy Dew to distinguish it from the "Irish lyric that travels under the name of the Foggy Dew." He gives references for the "Irish lyric" but no lyrics for comparison.

The tune Cray shows is in 3/4 time, and although it suggests the Burl Ives version (which I think was in 4/4?) it appears to be somewhat "modal." The lyrics don't look significantly different from performances I think I remember. A quick scan of the lyrics bombed out in OCR, so a retype will be needed - or a rescan; and like Jerry, I'll beg off for now, but maybe later.

John


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Subject: RE: 'Unprintable Songs'
From: JWB
Date: 15 Jun 04 - 11:15 AM

Austranglish,

It's on page 26 of Ed Cray's anthology "The Erotic Muse". I don't have time to transcribe it for you right now, I'm afraid. It's not particularly dirty, actually. Cray's notes on the song read in part "This is one of the most beautiful of British love songs, delicately suggestive of the sexual, perhaps the most non-bawdy of the bawdy songs in this collection." There isn't a coarse word in the song, actually, and if there was a dirty version I think Cray would have it; he's not shy about printing all the true words to songs.

PM me if you'd like the lyrics -- I'll have time next week to type them for you.

Jerry


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Subject: RE: 'Unprintable Songs'
From: GUEST,austranglish@yahoo.com
Date: 15 Jun 04 - 07:16 AM

Does anyone know where to find the full unexpurgated lyrics for the Foggy Foggy Dew? The lyrics I am seeking are for the song that begins "When I was a bachelor I lived all alone; And worked at the weaver's trade..."

I would love to be able to perform the full thing, not just the squeaky clean bits.

Cheers
Austranglish


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Subject: RE: 'Unprintable Songs'
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 16 May 04 - 11:53 PM

You can hear some of these gems at:
immortalia.com


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