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Subject: Various: Ned of the Hills, The Coolin...
From: corvi
Date: 23 Feb 02 - 12:46 AM

I am trying to find lyrics to some songs that are usually played as airs - I'm pretty sure they were all songs sometime but have been unsuccesful in finding words

Ned of the Hills also known as Captain Carswel (highland pipe tune)

The Coolin - (Joyce says this is a bastardisation of the Irish "An Chuilfhoinn" but gives no other information about the song)

The Blackbird and his Mate

The Brown Thorned Bush/An Draighnean Donn (Irish and/or English lyrics)

If you know anything of the history of these airs - that would also be appreciated

Any help would be welcome Thanks


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: VArious: Ned of the Hills, The Coolin...
From: The Pooka
Date: 23 Feb 02 - 01:15 AM

Click here [for Ned of the Hill]


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: VArious: Ned of the Hills, The Coolin...
From: The Pooka
Date: 23 Feb 02 - 01:24 AM

And (hope this clickiething works, not too sure), for different version, in English & Irish, with some history - Click here [for "Edmund of the Hill"]


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: VArious: Ned of the Hills, The Coolin...
From: The Pooka
Date: 23 Feb 02 - 01:34 AM

But - guess probably not the Ned of the HillS (plural) you mean, since above Hill-singulars are in the DT & you've been searching? - & maybe not exactly highland pipe tunes - well, so I gave it a try, right? Good luck.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: VArious: Ned of the Hills, The Coolin...
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Feb 02 - 02:15 AM

Sidney Owenson's "Ned of the Hills", (said to be a translation) is in the Levy sheet music collection, Box 111, Item 018. (Reprint from Twelve Hibernian Melodies, 1805)


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: VArious: Ned of the Hills, The Coolin...
From: The Pooka
Date: 23 Feb 02 - 04:12 AM

3 past thread references re Sidney Owenson's, as per Guest above:

Click here
Click here
Click here


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: VArious: Ned of the Hills, The Coolin...
From: Big Tim
Date: 23 Feb 02 - 05:12 AM

You may also care to check out a modern song called "Young Ned of the Hill" by Terry Woods and Ron Kavana on the Pogues 3rd Album "Peace and Love". Typically rousing Pogues!

The original Ned was Eamonn O Riain (Edmund or Edward Ryan) from County Tipperary (1670-1724). He became an outlaw after shooting a tax collector dead during a quarrel over the confiscation of a poor woman's cow. He was murdered for "blood money", £200. He was a poet and wrote these lines:

I am long outside in snow and frost, never daring to approach my home, my horse team still tied, my fallow field unsown, I no longer have them all, nor friends alas to harbour me, I have no kindred and must go over the sea.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: VArious: Ned of the Hills, The Coolin...
From: Big Tim
Date: 23 Feb 02 - 05:16 AM

Sorry, Pogues 4th album. 3rd was If I should fall from grace with God.

Sorry I have to quit this discussion as I m just about to catch a plane for Salzburg! Cheers!!


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: VArious: Ned of the Hills, The Coolin...
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 23 Feb 02 - 08:29 AM

A good place to look for background information on such things is Andrew Kuntz's  The Fiddler's Companion.  It's a very useful resource, but bear in mind that it includes material from Grattan Flood, a very untrustworthy historian.  A quick look at it reveals that An Draighnean Donn is more usually spelled An Droighnean Donn; with that information, and the assistance of  Google,   it took me only a few seconds to locate the following at  Songs Collected by Donagh MacDonagh:

AN DROIGHNEAN DONN

Two versions appear in Eileen Costello's book Amhrain Mhuighe Seola, published by Ossian.

So far as The Coolin is concerned, if you have a look for coolin through the very useful "Digitrad and Forum Search" on the main Forum page here, you will find quite a bit of background information, and some lyrics; again, you should bear in mind that not everything people have said about it here is necessarily reliable.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: VArious: Ned of the Hills, The Coolin...
From: corvi
Date: 23 Feb 02 - 10:09 AM

Thanks for all the help I had searched in the "lyric" search but I hadn't searched in the Digitrad/Forum search. It's tough looking for Irish stuff, as the spellings are so often loose. When searching for Anac Cuian - I found 7 different spellings!

Thanks again


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: VArious: Ned of the Hills, The Coolin...
From: wysiwyg
Date: 23 Feb 02 - 10:17 AM

Corvi, welcome to Mudcat!

It's really important to put each request (next time) in its own thread, with the title or a phrase you recall. Not only does it make it easier for people to spot pieces they know (and can help with), but it makes the posted answers much easier to find the next time someone looks for the song.

Some of the newer members are introducing themselves and their music HERE, and in the FAQ thread and Site Index thread (see top of thread list), you will find links to threads about the origins of various songs, too.

Good hunting! *G*

~Susan


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: VArious: Ned of the Hills, The Coolin...
From: corvi
Date: 23 Feb 02 - 03:58 PM

Thanks for the tips Susan - as usual I just jumped in without thinking (jeez you'd think I was a guy or something)

I'm looking for these lyrics as part of an ongoing project in honour of Chris Langan who was a piper and pipe maker here in Toronto.

Unlike many tune players he had a large repertoire of slow airs and encouraged his students to know what the air was about - and try to put the feeling of the words in it. We are compiling a webpage with the airs notated, and with lyrics in English and Irish - If anyone is interested it's at http://www.cranfordpub.com/langan/airs.htm

Thanks again to everyone for all the help - I think I'll post "The Blackbird and his Mate" separately as it's the only one I don't seem to have a line on at all.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: VArious: Ned of the Hills, The Coolin...
From: Wolfgang
Date: 25 Feb 02 - 06:57 AM

Dominic Behan's Coolin

Wolfgang


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: VArious: Ned of the Hills, The Coolin...
From: GUEST,Roger O'Keeffe
Date: 25 Feb 02 - 12:56 PM

Mullet-lovers in Mudcatland might like to know that the Coolin / An Chuilfhionn refers to a hairstyle popular among young men in, I think, the 18th century which sounds dangerously like a Gaelic version of the mullet - short in the front and sides, with a long piece hanging down the back.

Regarding blackbirds, there is also a set dance which is played both in hornpipe time and slowed down as a "piece" - it's on Paddy Keenan's first solo album (vinyl)- but without words.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: VArious: Ned of the Hills, The Coolin...
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 25 Feb 02 - 01:06 PM

There are a whole bunch of Blackbird tunes, but so far I can't find The Blackbird and His Mate; couldn't be the same as The Blackbird and the Hen, by any chance?

I forgot to mention that there's a Gaelic set of An Draighnean Donn, spelt with an a this time, in Peter Kennedy's Folksongs of Britain and Ireland; it was recorded by Noel Hamilton from James Meenan of Baile Thiar, Tory Island, Donegal, in 1967.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: VArious: Ned of the Hills, The Coolin...
From: corvi
Date: 26 Feb 02 - 02:25 AM

Actually the Blackbird the set dance HAS lyrics - they are in Joyce I think - it's a typical highly allegorical Jacobite song. Paddt Tunney does a nice rendition on one of his albums - can't remember which one though...

As far as the 'Blackbird and the Hen' goes - Blackbirds are all overtheplace in traditional music it's true - the only way to know would be to check the musical notation and see if it's the same as the air. (But I don't think a hen would make a great mate for a blackbird *grin*)

So what is the refernce on the hairstyle thing? Or do you just expect me to take your word for it *wink*

Seriously folks - thanks for the help


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: VArious: Ned of the Hills, The Coolin...
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 26 Feb 02 - 08:38 AM

The hen blackbird is the female of the species, which is why I wondered. You can see staff notation etc. at  JC's Tunefinder,  if you want to check it out:

The Blackbird And The Hen


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: VArious: Ned of the Hills, The Coolin...
From: Brían
Date: 26 Feb 02 - 10:24 AM

Could THE BLACKBIRD AND HIS MATE be possibly, AN LONNDUBH IS AN CHÉIRSEACH LE CHÉILE(THE BLACKBIRD AND THE LARK TOGETHER?

Brían


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