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Subject: Thatcher's statue
From: Mr Red
Date: 02 Feb 02 - 12:30 PM

Avoiding the obvious quip about it being a bust

Debate (make that a yawn) on where to put the new statue of 'Er Indoors, rages (what else). For those not aware, it cannot be put in the House of Commons during her lifetime (mixed blessing?).

The where is secondary, the medium is all wrong. The marble should be cast iron, or at least the hands, one of iron the other of steal (ref school milk) and definitely not 16 tons.

whaddayoureckon?
That's my twopenn'th (any higher bids?)


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Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher's statue
From: JudeL
Date: 02 Feb 02 - 12:42 PM

How about inside an aviary at London Zoo, that way the birds could decorate it appropriately all day. Jude


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Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher's statue
From: Mr Red
Date: 02 Feb 02 - 12:46 PM

Yea
Trafalgar square, I could feed the pidgeons with blue seed.


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Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher's statue
From: Big Mick
Date: 02 Feb 02 - 12:51 PM

I have ideas for the composition and location that are not even appropriate for The Mudcat.


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Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher's statue
From: Dave Bryant
Date: 02 Feb 02 - 12:59 PM

Think laterally. I'm sure Mrs Thatcher would love to have her statue in the House of Commons as soon as possible. Since that isn't possible while she's still alive......


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Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher's statue
From: Geoff the Duck
Date: 02 Feb 02 - 01:14 PM

I wanted to make a statue of Margaret Thatcher. Unfortunately I couldn't find a big enough pile of Shit!
GtD.


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Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher's statue
From: Gareth
Date: 02 Feb 02 - 01:24 PM

Thats a thought, if it was placed in Trafagar Sq, could we get Livingstone to life his ban on selling bird food ??

Yes its corn mixed with Ex-Lax !

Gareth


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Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher's statue
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 02 Feb 02 - 03:53 PM

Did you see the picture? Like some giant chess piece. Straight out of Harry Potter.

I met a traveller from an antique land
Who said: `Two vast and trunkless legs of stone
Stand in the desert. Near them, on the sand,
Half sunk, a shattered visage lies, whose frown,
And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command,
Tell that its sculptor well those passions read
Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things,
The hand that mocked them and the heart that fed.
And on the pedestal these words appear --
"My name is Ozymandias, king of kings:
Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!"
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare
The lone and level sands stretch far away.'


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Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher's statue
From: Little Hawk
Date: 02 Feb 02 - 04:05 PM

Erect it as a warning. Paint it dull black. And vow to never make that mistake again.

- LH


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Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher's statue
From: John J
Date: 02 Feb 02 - 04:19 PM

I had heard on BBC radio news that somewhere in the USA wanted the statue. I think that's a very good idea. Perhaps they would keep it.

I don't wish to be reminded of that woman.

John


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Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher's statue
From: GUEST,Susanne (skw - briefly cookieless)
Date: 02 Feb 02 - 05:22 PM

How about the bottom of the Atlantic, in order to cement the Special Relationship?


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Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher's statue
From: Greg F.
Date: 02 Feb 02 - 05:26 PM

We don't need Milk Snatcher, thanks- already have her illigitimate son, George Dubya.

Best, Greg


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Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher's statue
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Feb 02 - 06:17 PM

Message deleted - personal attack.
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher's statue
From: Susanne (skw)
Date: 02 Feb 02 - 07:01 PM

Or at Guest above?


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Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher's statue
From: Geoff the Duck
Date: 02 Feb 02 - 07:25 PM

Oh What a surprise........
I think I just found the big pile of shite!!!!!!
Thanks GUEST
GtD!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher's statue
From: Crazy Eddie
Date: 02 Feb 02 - 11:42 PM

Statues? We don't need no steenking statues!

Maggie, Maggie, Maggie, Out, Out Out!!!!!!!!!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher's statue
From: GUEST,BigDaddy
Date: 03 Feb 02 - 12:48 AM

It could serve a pupose. If it were properly enclosed, it could provide an ideal place to relieve oneself for we male members (pun intended).


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Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher's statue
From: GUEST,Boab
Date: 03 Feb 02 - 02:50 AM

Save the fee for a sculptor---spray heavily with concrete and let it set solid.


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Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher's statue
From: Manitas_at_home
Date: 03 Feb 02 - 03:00 AM

Perhaps next to Cromwell who was pretty much hated as well.

BTW, isn't it ironic that his statue is there as an upholder of parliamentary rights when he did more to destroy parliament than Charles ever did.


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Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher's statue
From: Hillheader
Date: 03 Feb 02 - 03:20 AM

Put it on the Titanic - and make her unveil it herself.

Well like in Scotland is our Maggie because she shut most of it down and gave us so much leisure time.

Thatcherism was just another name for BSE.

Davebhoy


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Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher's statue
From: jup
Date: 03 Feb 02 - 03:38 AM

Let the coalminers decide!!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher's statue
From: JudeL
Date: 03 Feb 02 - 05:21 AM

Give it to Jeremy Clarkson to use in another of his "cars I hate" programs. Didn't you just love his version of playing conkers?
Jude


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Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher's statue
From: Fiolar
Date: 03 Feb 02 - 05:22 AM

Why not do something useful with it? Like crushing it up and using to fill in some potholes.


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Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher's statue
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 03 Feb 02 - 05:43 AM

Manitas wrote "BTW, isn't it ironic that his statue is there as an upholder of parliamentary rights when he did more to destroy parliament than Charles ever did."

And you marched with the Kings Army!! You ought to be drummed out for treason.... but as I was never a supporter of the wastrel king and his entourage, I'll let it pass....

How about outside the nearest halfway house for those 'care in the community' people who don't actually have a community that cares..... I'm sure they'd be able to find an appropriate use for it.... But outside Millbank Tower would be good. After all, she drummed up more support for the Labour party than Tony Bleugh ever did.......

Reproduce it millions of times, give them to Red Ken to use as a bus lane deterrant - drive in the bus lane, you get a Maggie!

LTS


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Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher's statue
From: Red Eye
Date: 03 Feb 02 - 08:15 AM

Magaret Thatcher's ideals from the early eighties is the reason why this country is still benefiting under her stance. Democracy brought into 'the law can't touch us' unions, a war fought and won, benefit cheats being found out.


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Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher's statue
From: Geoff the Duck
Date: 03 Feb 02 - 09:39 AM

She single handedly destroyed a country which I loved! ENGLAND!


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Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher's statue
From: Susanne (skw)
Date: 03 Feb 02 - 11:23 AM

a war fought and won
which was a godsend to her to boost her waning chances of re-election and quite likely wouldn't have happened but for her!


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Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher's statue
From: GUEST,ta2
Date: 03 Feb 02 - 12:30 PM

dump it where the belgrano was sunk........................on her orders to start a war and win an election


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Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher's statue
From: John Routledge
Date: 03 Feb 02 - 12:36 PM

Red Eye - There is a great deal of truth in what you say but the price was much too high!!

Guest ta2 - The perfect location.


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Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher's statue
From: Little Hawk
Date: 03 Feb 02 - 12:37 PM

Well, the Argentinian generals did their bit too...in an effort to distract their beleagured populace from more pressing domestic concerns...so I wouldn't give Maggie the whole blame for that one. One thing that woman was good for was fighting and winning a war, that's for sure.

I wouldn't say she was good for much of anything else, though.

Pity she and Reagan weren't both single...they could have married, and possibly arranged to make the United Kingdom into the 51st state of the USA. Then Canada could have been inducted as the 52nd state, and the English-speaking world could have consolidated itself into a single mighty capitalist entity and set out to convert the rest of the world into a cultural image of itself, setting up fast food franchises from here to Katmandu, abolishing all labour unions (specially in 3rd World sweatshops), and providing cozy walled enclaves for corporate CEO's in faraway places, fully equipped with compliant Filipina servants to while away those empty hours...

- LH


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Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher's statue
From: Sonnet
Date: 03 Feb 02 - 04:39 PM

As the woman who took the coal and heart out of Barnsley, why not place her statue on the infamous plinth in the town centre, in front of the N.U.M. Headquarters, or outside the supermarket that stands on the site of Cortonwood Colliery? 'Coal not Dole' should be the inscription. Never forget the Miners' Strike, those who died, and those whose lives have changed forever.

Janet McShane


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Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher's statue
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 03 Feb 02 - 04:51 PM

It wasn't a war, it was a conflict. There's a difference.

The Unions are now practically powerless to prevent extortion, unsafe and illegal practices for it's workers or the promise of a fair wage for all.

Benefit cheats were being found out long before she ascended the 'throne', and have been since. And not just the cheats either.... innocent people who declared everything and immigrants who did everything by the book were still punished.

LTS


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Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher's statue
From: Greg F.
Date: 03 Feb 02 - 06:38 PM

On second thought, since she's revered by the U.S. political right which is now laboring (or labouring) to put her bogus policies & programs into effect, why not send the statue to be placed over the entrance to Ronald Reagan Airport in Washington?

Best, Greg


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Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher's statue
From: Gareth
Date: 03 Feb 02 - 06:39 PM

Actually if this statue does wiegh 16 tons - then theres a song about it - Which when you think about, it is very, very apt.

CLICK 'ERE

Gareth


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Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher's statue
From: DougR
Date: 03 Feb 02 - 06:41 PM

That's a pretty good idea, Greg F.

DougR


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Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher's statue
From: Greg F.
Date: 03 Feb 02 - 06:51 PM

Then we can call it "Snatcher-Senile Airport"


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Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher's statue
From: Red Eye
Date: 03 Feb 02 - 07:27 PM

Oh yes, forgot about the coal. A substance that was so expensive to get out of the ground that coal imported from Poland was cheaper. Mr £450,000 house, Scargill walked sraight into the trap by calling an illegal srike!!! Thousands of miners followed this fool to the bitter end when they all had to go back to work after a year out. How many laws did Thatcher pass which were unpopular with the electorate? Twelve years have passed and those 'oh so unpopular laws' and Acts of Parliament are still with us. So very unpopular, weren't they?


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Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher's statue
From: DougR
Date: 03 Feb 02 - 07:47 PM

**THREAD CREEP WARNING** That period produced a real nice movie though. BRASSED OFF.

DougR


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Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher's statue
From: JudeL
Date: 04 Feb 02 - 06:20 AM

Red Eye: benefitted? when is this blinkered romance and totally unfounded pipe dream that the "I'm allright Jack, no such thing as society, elistist" attitude benefits the country as a whole? Education? only the rich can afford advanced education, Health: lets hand over the money to clean hospitals to private firms who then spend so little on staff/training and equipment that our hospitals become breeding grounds for cross infection, nurses pay (never desperately high in the first place) becomes even less attractive and vacancy rates soar, the gap being partially filled by those working for private agencies who charge the NHS a fortune only a small part of which goes to the agency worker. Local Government: Social worker vacancy rates in Local Authorities are currently around 28% the staff that are left sre severly overworked and desperately trying to cover the extra work (and the public wonders why mistakes are made?). Roads full of potholes that the council has no money to repair. Elderly people sent home from hospital, with inadequate support because the authority has raised the criteria because of lack of funding. Care in the community: people with mental health problems taken out of long term residental care and stuck in bedsits with if they are lucky an occasional visit by an overworked social worker. Mines closed and poisoning the rivers as the pumps no longer run, to say nothing of the cost of benefits paid out to families of former miners, (which cost more than subsidising coal) Railtrack: profiteering above safety. Local services, so fragmented between dozens of private firms that there is little effective democratic control or accountability. No, I'm sorry but I do not believe that this country benefitted and one of the worst and most long lasting things she did is still with us in the scapegoating culture she promoted, i.e. the idea that instead of accepting collective responsibility to enable everyone to achieve their potential including those members of our society who start off disadvantaged, instead use them as a target to blame . Jude


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Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher's statue
From: GUEST,Guest MC Fat
Date: 04 Feb 02 - 06:30 AM

Just make sure on the statue that her face is put where her arse is cos she spect most of the time talking out of that orifice


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Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher's statue
From: Gareth
Date: 04 Feb 02 - 05:09 PM

The Staff of the South Wales Evenig Echo must read Mudcat

Click 'Ere, Butty !!

Gareth


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Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher's statue
From: Cllr
Date: 04 Feb 02 - 06:23 PM

Predictable content to this thread. Cllr


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Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher's statue
From: Red Eye
Date: 04 Feb 02 - 06:38 PM

Fair points raised Jude, Blair preceeded by Major have been in office since that time and the situations you describe above stil exist today. Why are you blaming Thatcher? Would you still like tobe forking out £1,000,000's to keep British Coal, British Steel & British Leyland from producing goods/services at a cost that we can't afford. Get real.


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Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher's statue
From: GUEST,Stavanger Bill
Date: 05 Feb 02 - 03:22 AM

Hi Cllr,

Read down the thread and arrived at exactly the same conclusion - This has all been done to death many, many times before!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher's statue
From: GUEST,English Jon
Date: 05 Feb 02 - 03:40 AM

I don't mind what they do with it, as long as it is privatised immediately.

EJ


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Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher's statue
From: JudeL
Date: 05 Feb 02 - 04:21 AM

Instead of which we are forking out millions of pounds in income support etc without even having anything produced, and if a govt follows tory policies and has tory attitudes towards handing all our public services over to big business allowing profiteering private companies to milk them, the money they pay themselves coming from reducing the quality of service / investment and creating two tier workforces, is it a real change? I am still waiting to see any evidence that we actually have a labour government.


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Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher's statue
From: The Walrus at work
Date: 05 Feb 02 - 08:25 AM

One question. Who's paid for this bloody statue? And if it is public money - I want my "contribution" returned - I can think of much better uses fom my cash than paying for statues of the Magatollah.

Walrus


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Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher's statue
From: Dave Bryant
Date: 05 Feb 02 - 10:57 AM

What a shocking waste of stone ! Why didn't they just find a taxidermist - after all she stuffed plenty of other people.


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Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher's statue
From: annamill
Date: 05 Feb 02 - 01:02 PM

A friend of mine from Arizona mentioned to me Sunday that this statue is being moved to Arizona next to the London Bridge. Anyone hear anything about this? or was he being funny?

L.A.


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Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher's statue
From: DougR
Date: 05 Feb 02 - 01:05 PM

You folks really don't care for MT, do you? :>)

DougR


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Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher's statue
From: Gareth
Date: 05 Feb 02 - 02:11 PM

No Doug, we lived through it.

Gareth

And the pit head baths are a supermarket now


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Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher's statue
From: GUEST,Boab
Date: 06 Feb 02 - 02:52 AM

Mr Redeye-----the "fool" to whom you so derisively refer was branded a liar for making the statement that Thatcher was about to close TWENTY coal mines. The miners went on strike., and manned the picket lines. I know a miner who said "hello' to his nephew on one of these pickets; he was a young soldier dressed up in a police uniform---without a number on his hat. The "fool's" forecast turned out to be wrong; she didn't close twenty pits---she closed nearly ALL of them.[And that by the way, is from somebody who is NOT an admirer of Scargill---but who likes the truth to be told.] My "axis of evil" for the period---Thatcher, Reagan and Rupert Murdoch.


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Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher's statue
From: Mr Red
Date: 06 Feb 02 - 10:23 AM

Good Job I didn't mention Poll Tax, now there's a thought - charge her a "coucil" tax wherever it is housed.
I remember nooses on show at the miners conference, and concrete beams through Taxi windscreens, not to mention servered break hoses. Scargill did not inspire the gentlemen of this world.
Maggie was a cynical aggressive antagonist, whereas Scargill was .......... well you work it out. They both live comfortably enough thankyou very much.
Their difference? He wanted to be a political force, she was.


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Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher's statue
From: Red Eye
Date: 06 Feb 02 - 02:05 PM

No they didn't go on strike they illegally left their place of work and intimidate thousands of colleagues into no going. The soldiers were employed to keep the peace at the illegal picket lines. Mr £450,000 house Scargill was a bully who thought he and his cohorts were above the law. Those pits needed shutting because of the financial losses being incurred. Indeed Budge Mining Co brought many of these defunct, unsafe places of work and are still unable to make any type of profit. Where are the thousands of ex coal workers now Boab? Sitting pretty on their £50,000 redundancy payments which I am still paying for through my taxes. Thatcher took on the bullies and won, as she did with the car worker and the steel worker. Admit it she was the best leader this country had for the time she was in power. She brought you all there is good in Britain today, by being a powerful woman and a leader. You shhould be proud you lived under her rule as it will never be repeated. Then again, it doesn't have to does it!


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Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher's statue
From: Red Eye
Date: 06 Feb 02 - 02:06 PM

No they didn't go on strike they illegally left their place of work and intimidate thousands of colleagues into no going. The soldiers were employed to keep the peace at the illegal picket lines. Mr £450,000 house Scargill was a bully who thought he and his cohorts were above the law. Those pits needed shutting because of the financial losses being incurred. Indeed Budge Mining Co brought many of these defunct, unsafe places of work and are still unable to make any type of profit. Where are the thousands of ex coal workers now Boab? Sitting pretty on their £50,000 redundancy payments which I am still paying for through my taxes. Thatcher took on the bullies and won, as she did with the car worker and the steel worker. Admit it she was the best leader this country had for the time she was in power. She brought you all there is good in Britain today, by being a powerful woman and a leader. You shhould be proud you lived under her rule as it will never be repeated. Then again, it doesn't have to does it!


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Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher's statue
From: GUEST,Phil.
Date: 06 Feb 02 - 03:13 PM

Well Red Eye, that's sounds a bit of a twist of facts to me. Yes they closed the mines down because they couldn't make a 'profit'. But what is a profit? Now we import coal from god knows where, we have no strategic resource to fall back on if things in the wider world go wrong, and we have to pay ex miners welfare etc. I think if you add up the real costs, the closure of the mines was a disaster. It had a lot to do with MT's desire to crush the miners at any cost. German and French mines still run at a loss, I wonder why they keep them open, both Countries have far higher standards of living than we do? I don't think £50000 goes that far if you haven't a job!


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Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher's statue
From: Red Eye
Date: 07 Feb 02 - 01:34 AM

Well at the moment this country is nearing full employment for all, except the lazy sroungers who would rather sit on their arses and not bother. Profits are not important in a state owned company, I agree, but to run them at very heavy losses is not viable, is it? Thereason you are now living in a low income tax nation is because of her policies on WASTE! The Poll Tax was a brilliant idea from the M T era. Making people pay for the services they use, what's wrong with that? An eighteen year old person uses the pavement and lighting. They create rubbish to be disposed of. They use parks and recreational facilities provide by LA.etc, etc, etc. Why should I pay for them because I have got a Band F house? Ridiculous state of affairs.


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Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher's statue
From: Lanfranc
Date: 07 Feb 02 - 09:51 AM

Red Eye, your eyes appear to match your neck, and are about as perceptive!

In answer to the question posed; find an industrial wastland anywhere in Britain and stand it there, among the ruined buildings, the smashed machinery, the mud and the ghosts of workers past.

"Si monumentum requieris, circumspice!"

(If you require her monument, look around you - sorry, Wren)

See also the "Why is the UK in such a mess" thread.

Alan


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Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher's statue
From: DougR
Date: 08 Feb 02 - 12:45 AM

Yep, Red Eye, your are real insensitive. Why in the world do you see things as they are? How insistive of you! Oh, Lanfranc pointed it out to me! Why didn't I see it sooner? You are not only a Red Eye, you are a Red Neck!

Thanks Lanfranc, for pointing that out.

DougR


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Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher's statue
From: Sonnet
Date: 08 Feb 02 - 04:52 AM

I was just wondering which part of Barnsley Red Eye is from??????????

Janet


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Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher's statue
From: GUEST,Stavanger Bill
Date: 08 Feb 02 - 05:54 AM

From Manitas at home - we've had:

"Perhaps next to Cromwell who was pretty much hated as well.

BTW, isn't it ironic that his statue is there as an upholder of parliamentary rights when he did more to destroy parliament than Charles ever did."

Facts anyone? 1. The period of Cromwell, or the Commonwealth lasted from around 1639 to 1660, when the Stuarts were restored.

2. After the Restoration the Stuarts lasted until about 1703, when they were replaced by the House of Hanover.

Question: Who was it that brought about the replacement - Parliament - Therefore was Parliament made stronger during the Commonwealth period at the expense of the power of the monarchy, or was it weakened as Manitas at home suggests.

Personal opinion: As Royal households go, the Stuarts, collectively, were the biggest shower of tossers ever put on the planet.

Red Eye, in one of his posts above said: "Those pits needed shutting because of the financial losses being incurred."

This elicited the response from GUEST Phil:

"Yes they closed the mines down because they couldn't make a 'profit'. But what is a profit? Now we import coal from god knows where, we have no strategic resource to fall back on if things in the wider world go wrong, and we have to pay ex miners welfare etc."

Red Eye was perfectly correct. GUEST Phil, you are a salesman dream - someone who is prepared to pay £75 for what you can get for £8.

Some questions for you GUEST Phil 1. Just prior to the Miners Strike what was the average cost of a ton of British coal? Compare that to the cost of a ton of coal imported from Poland and from Australia. I think you would be surprised.

2. Today, what would we be using all this coal for had the mines remained open? Power? Heating? Sorry Phil, even before the strike Natural Gas had taken those markets away.

3. The UK has one of the lowest levels of unemployment in Europe - Are you telling us that all those miners and workers employed in industries associated with what was the mining industry are still unemployed and have been sitting round on their backsides for 17 years! Don't think so, they're better men than that and always have been.

Maggies statue? She certainly deserves one, longest serving British Prime Minister in the 20th century, she achieved a great deal in terms of domestic, economic and international terms - no she didn't get it all right, but there again can anybody tell me anybody that has?

And before I get flamed for the above I would ask all of the lady's detractors to tell us about how marvellous Britain was prior to 1979. There is another thread running at the moment "Why is the UK such a mess". One point of discussion is the NHS. In the same Red Eye posted quoted above he made a comment that at the time of the miners strike, "Mr £450,000 house Scargill was a bully who thought he and his cohorts were above the law." It wasn't just Scargill and the miners - I can remember another union that represented hospital porters, they went on strike. Their picket line decided on whether or not you were sick enough to be admitted to hospital. Garbage piled high in the streets (Dustmans Strike); the three day week; Rail and Postal stikes at the drop of a hat; inflation through the roof; unemployment rising; IMF loans - Oh yes Britain was such a wonderful place before Maggie arrived on the scene.


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Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher's statue
From: Red Eye
Date: 08 Feb 02 - 01:09 PM

Thanks for your words of support Bill, this country must have the biggest load of knockers the world has ever seen. They see bad in anythig good and try to pull it to bits. We are masters of this. Dead right regarding the unions power in realtion to the country. People only striked when they were afraid of what may happen to them selves, family or property. Thatcher brought some sanity into industial relations and brought back some pride into being British.


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Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher's statue
From: DougR
Date: 08 Feb 02 - 02:09 PM

A very interesting and informative post, Stavanger Bill.

DougR


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Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher's statue
From: Red Eye
Date: 08 Feb 02 - 07:51 PM

Attention Lanfranc but yes I have had a good look around me and if what I see is a monumennt to the Thatcher era then she would be very pleased with her handiwork.


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