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Tech: A Benign and Wise Google?

Murray MacLeod 16 Jan 02 - 01:55 PM
wysiwyg 16 Jan 02 - 02:01 PM
MMario 16 Jan 02 - 02:06 PM
GUEST,Vixen at work 16 Jan 02 - 02:17 PM
katlaughing 16 Jan 02 - 02:19 PM
Murray MacLeod 16 Jan 02 - 02:19 PM
wildlone 16 Jan 02 - 02:55 PM
Ebbie 16 Jan 02 - 02:58 PM
Murray MacLeod 16 Jan 02 - 03:03 PM
katlaughing 16 Jan 02 - 03:19 PM
John Routledge 16 Jan 02 - 03:24 PM
Jim Dixon 16 Jan 02 - 03:59 PM
wysiwyg 16 Jan 02 - 04:11 PM
Murray MacLeod 16 Jan 02 - 04:16 PM
Murray MacLeod 16 Jan 02 - 04:20 PM
wysiwyg 16 Jan 02 - 09:18 PM
Mark Cohen 16 Jan 02 - 10:18 PM
Bill D 16 Jan 02 - 11:23 PM
Jim Dixon 17 Jan 02 - 12:12 AM
wysiwyg 17 Jan 02 - 12:45 AM
katlaughing 17 Jan 02 - 01:12 AM
fat B****rd 17 Jan 02 - 03:57 AM
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Subject: A Benign and Wise Google?
From: Murray MacLeod
Date: 16 Jan 02 - 01:55 PM

Intrigued by Katlaughing's mention on one of her threads that a search on her nom de plume on Google would come up with many Mudcat postings, I tried it, and lo, it was true.

Just for fun, I tried searching on my own name+"Mudcat" and sure enough was rewarded with links to a number of threads to which I had posted. What amazed me however, was that none of these links were to any of the contentious, not to say outrageous stuff which I was prone to posting at one time. Most of the links were to music threads, and contained nothing nothing controversial.

So am I to believe that Google is even more omniscient than I had previously believed? Can I credit this amazing search engine with the ability to perform selective and forgiving editing ?

And is it as beneficent to everybody else, or am I just special ...............:-)

Murray


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Subject: RE: BS: A Benign and Wise Google?
From: wysiwyg
Date: 16 Jan 02 - 02:01 PM

LOL! Yes, a few hits, plus lots of deathless items I didn't post:

balin nreksah:nilab mudcat:tacdum tacdum:mudcat bone:bone enob:enob ssoledj:ssoledj wick ... ew1 resoll ewallen magpie ewd wysiwyg ewee shotgun ewilliams or klean mindbus:wysiwyg kinky94:shadow bosco:bosco1

Oh may we all beware our "fame"! Choose your MudName with care!

Gotta go. Late for the mindbus. Got a hot date!

~Susan


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Subject: RE: BS: A Benign and Wise Google?
From: MMario
Date: 16 Jan 02 - 02:06 PM

seems to be as beneficent to everybody else.

combination of "mmario" and "mudcat" came up with only 60 hits - MOST of them from the mudcat songbook.


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Subject: RE: BS: A Benign and Wise Google?
From: GUEST,Vixen at work
Date: 16 Jan 02 - 02:17 PM

Lo and behold--

No links to my postings, but my email addy is incorrect on the photo pages. It's correct in my profile...could somebody update it on the photo page???

Many thanks!

V


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Subject: RE: BS: A Benign and Wise Google?
From: katlaughing
Date: 16 Jan 02 - 02:19 PM

Hmmm, the one specifically that I found and was rather nonplussed about was an old b-day thread with the correct DOB and all! Rather embarrassing because it was the one which had "spanking" in the title!**BG**


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Subject: RE: BS: A Benign and Wise Google?
From: Murray MacLeod
Date: 16 Jan 02 - 02:19 PM

"late for the mindbus", Susan ? I've never ridden in one of these ...... :-)

Murray


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Subject: RE: BS: A Benign and Wise Google?
From: wildlone
Date: 16 Jan 02 - 02:55 PM

I use google a lot, I have used it to find songs/threads on Mudcat when the supersearch has been down.
dave


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Subject: RE: BS: A Benign and Wise Google?
From: Ebbie
Date: 16 Jan 02 - 02:58 PM

When I chose my initials for Mudcat, I had no idea how many Ebbies there are. When I stopped looking, at around page 55, there were 75 pages.

I found alteregos in a painter (retired), a ghost, a hockey player, an Ebola Virus doll, an angel doll, two cats, a fish, numerous dogs,including a basset hound, a labrador, a sheltie, a dachshund, an English bulldog, an Australian blue heeler, a chihuahua and a St. Bernard.

BTW, katlaughing, did we start a website together? There is an 'Ebbie and Kat' site.

I never did find the Mudcat Ebbie.

Ebbie


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Subject: RE: BS: A Benign and Wise Google?
From: Murray MacLeod
Date: 16 Jan 02 - 03:03 PM

Ebbie, type in "Ebbie Mudcat". You will get four hits

Murray


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Subject: RE: BS: A Benign and Wise Google?
From: katlaughing
Date: 16 Jan 02 - 03:19 PM

Sheesh, Ebbie, I am SURE that wasn't us...neither of us would ever blatantly use "awesomist" would we? And, that eye-splitting blue with red text...ugh! I am sure we have much better taste!**BG**

We had an earlier thread on vanity searches that was a lot fo fun, but I didn't think to search on "katlaughing" then, just my real name. lol

kat


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Subject: RE: BS: A Benign and Wise Google?
From: John Routledge
Date: 16 Jan 02 - 03:24 PM

Mine is weird!!

Two Clickies- First one quotes my post on Tony Rose thread. Second states Geordie Broon is John Routledge in title then on clicking gives all of Snuffy's 1500+ postings!!

Didn't know I was related to Snuffy.

Fascinating. Cheers Geordie


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Subject: RE: BS: A Benign and Wise Google?
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 16 Jan 02 - 03:59 PM

Here's my understanding of how web sites like Google work:

They have a program called a "spider" or "crawler" which periodically examines the web site. They start by scanning and indexing the "home" page, that is, http://www.mudcat.org/. Then they follow up all the links on that page. That brings them to http://www.mudcat.org/threads.cfm, http://www.mudcat.org/radio.cfm, http://help.mudcat.org/, and so on, and they index all those pages. Then they follow up the links on those pages, and so on, until they run out of pages (or they may have some criterion that causes them to skip certain pages or stop before they get that far).

The trouble is, not all Mudcat threads can be reached by following up links this way. Some threads can only be accessed by using the Filter or the DigiTrad and Forum Search boxes. The crawler isn't smart enough to do that. (I figure it's only a matter of time until someone invents a crawler that IS smart enough to do that.)

Here's an interesting experiment: Go to Google's Advanced Search page. In the box labeled "Find results with the exact phrase___" type "mudcat discussion forum". In the box labeled "Only return results from the site or domain___" type www.mudcat.org. Then click the "Google Search" button.

The first listing you see will be the familiar Mudcat Discussion Forum page. But DON'T CLICK THE LINK. Instead, click on the word "Cached." You will see an old version of the forum page. When I did it, the first thread I saw (after the PermaThreads) was

BS: Corny lines that we love      49     13-Dec-01 - 01:48 PM

That tells me that the last time Google's crawler examined Mudcat was soon after 01:48 PM on 13-Dec-01

Try again after another month or so and you'll probably get a different result.

And I'll bet that only the threads listed on that page were the ones that got indexed.

p.s. Google also does the same thing with http://dharma.mudcat.org/, http://loki.mudcat.org/, and http://ragtime.mudcat.org/. I'm not sure it always does them on the same day, so it might get different results.


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Subject: RE: BS: A Benign and Wise Google?
From: wysiwyg
Date: 16 Jan 02 - 04:11 PM

MM-- see "klean mindbus:wysiwyg kinky94:shadow bosco:bosco1" in my above post?

Apparently if you take the klean mindbus, by stop 94 you're kinky. But only the shadow knows. Or maybe those were job instructions?

Klean the Mindbus-- WYSIWYG

Kinky94: Shadow Bosco.

~S~


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Subject: RE: BS: A Benign and Wise Google?
From: Murray MacLeod
Date: 16 Jan 02 - 04:16 PM

Jim, forgive my obtuseness but could you "reverse engineer" the process and describe in terms comprehensible to a not-too-bright ten year old exactly what happens when I type in "Mudcat Jim Dixon" and hit " Google Search" ? Does the spider go off on another adventure? Or is it all on Google hard disk?

Murray


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Subject: RE: BS: A Benign and Wise Google?
From: Murray MacLeod
Date: 16 Jan 02 - 04:20 PM

Oops, sorry Susan ! That'll larn me .....

Murray


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Subject: RE: BS: A Benign and Wise Google?
From: wysiwyg
Date: 16 Jan 02 - 09:18 PM

Um, you need to actually READ the posts, Murr. *G*

~S~


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Subject: RE: BS: A Benign and Wise Google?
From: Mark Cohen
Date: 16 Jan 02 - 10:18 PM

"I like Bosco, that's the one for me"...there, I knew I could turn this into a musical thread.

Aloha,
Mark (read the posts VERY carefully...)


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Subject: RE: BS: A Benign and Wise Google?
From: Bill D
Date: 16 Jan 02 - 11:23 PM

lordy!...my search gets me to this old thing when we were having PC troubles...what fascinating reading!


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Subject: RE: BS: A Benign and Wise Google?
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 17 Jan 02 - 12:12 AM

Murray: No, Google's spider is not activated by your clicking the Search button. The spider's work has to be already done before you click the button. The spider hasn't worked on www.mudcat.org since Dec. 13.

Think of it this way: On Dec. 13, Google's spider took a snapshot of everything that was visible on Mudcat at that point in time. By "visible" I mean everything that it could reach by following links. It copied all this stuff and stored it on its own server, along with everything it had accumulated from > 2 billion other web pages. (It says so at the bottom of Google's main page.) Google must have some humongous servers!

It also created indexes of all the words it finds. So it has an index for "Jim" and an index for "Dixon." An index is just a list of all the web pages that contain a certain word. So when you search for Jim Dixon (with or without quotation marks) it compares those two lists to see which web pages appear on both lists. Suppose it finds the page "www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=4587" on both lists. If you put quotation marks around "Jim Dixon" then it performs one further step: it looks at the whole page (not the page as it currently exists on the Mudcat server, but the copy from Dec. 13 on its own server) to see if the exact phrase "Jim Dixon" appears. If so, then it puts the following entry on its search results page. (I hope this works)

Who Is Steve Goodman?
... Subject: RE: Who Is Steve Goodman? From: Jim Dixon Date: 01-Dec-01 - 01:51 AM
I've been searching for all the Steve Goodman songs I can find in Mudcat. ...
www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=4587&messages=57 - 101k - Cached - Similar pages

Now, if you click on "Who is Steve Goodman?" you will get the actual page from Mudcat, but if you click on "Cache" you will get Google's copy (which may be somewhat out of date by now).

I hope this makes it a bit clearer.

By the way, when preparing this message, I did to a search on "Jim Dixon," and I was amused to see that I appear to be a very busy person. For the record, most of those Jim Dixons out there are not me!


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Subject: RE: BS: A Benign and Wise Google?
From: wysiwyg
Date: 17 Jan 02 - 12:45 AM

Oh Bill. I thought when you said "we were having PC troubles" you meant a Mudcat flamewar had blown up about political correctness! And I kept looking and looking for the flames but it was so boring! Tho it did have healing, speaking in tongues, and all KINDS of stuff we argue about around here!

~S~


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Subject: RE: BS: A Benign and Wise Google?
From: katlaughing
Date: 17 Jan 02 - 01:12 AM

LOL, BillD! I'd forgotten about that! Amazing when we go back and look at the things we wrote and wonder "Did I write that?!" **BG**


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Subject: RE: BS: A Benign and Wise Google?
From: fat B****rd
Date: 17 Jan 02 - 03:57 AM

I,ve just hit Google and found loads of Fat Bastard sites relating to subjects as diverse as wine and surfing. Unfortunately the Official Chubby Brown Website For US 'catters he's a "comedian" specialising in sexist and racist monologues or "jokes" and wildly popular with the kind of people who talk like him anyway. I am considering changing my Mudcat name as a result of this discovery.


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