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Beer-What beer is your current Favorite?

Raptor 11 Jan 02 - 02:05 PM
Cappuccino 11 Jan 02 - 02:15 PM
Mrrzy 11 Jan 02 - 02:17 PM
Ron Olesko 11 Jan 02 - 02:26 PM
CarolC 11 Jan 02 - 02:31 PM
Dave the Gnome 11 Jan 02 - 02:37 PM
Greycap 11 Jan 02 - 02:42 PM
Jon Freeman 11 Jan 02 - 02:50 PM
Ron Olesko 11 Jan 02 - 03:06 PM
GUEST,Desdemona 11 Jan 02 - 03:11 PM
GUEST,Mad4Mud at work 11 Jan 02 - 03:13 PM
JudeL 11 Jan 02 - 03:17 PM
Raptor 11 Jan 02 - 03:36 PM
CarolC 11 Jan 02 - 03:42 PM
GUEST,Desdemona 11 Jan 02 - 03:53 PM
Ron Olesko 11 Jan 02 - 03:54 PM
jeffp 11 Jan 02 - 03:58 PM
Raptor 11 Jan 02 - 04:06 PM
Jerry Rasmussen 11 Jan 02 - 04:09 PM
jeffp 11 Jan 02 - 04:17 PM
gnu 11 Jan 02 - 04:19 PM
GUEST,Gimme Cheap Or Gimme Death 11 Jan 02 - 04:20 PM
GUEST,Keltik 11 Jan 02 - 04:20 PM
Ebbie 11 Jan 02 - 04:30 PM
catspaw49 11 Jan 02 - 04:33 PM
Ron Olesko 11 Jan 02 - 04:38 PM
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Ron Olesko 11 Jan 02 - 05:11 PM
GUEST,Amy from LA 11 Jan 02 - 05:17 PM
CarolC 11 Jan 02 - 05:21 PM
Ron Olesko 11 Jan 02 - 05:27 PM
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Subject: Beer
From: Raptor
Date: 11 Jan 02 - 02:05 PM

I've recently found a new beer. It's called True North Lager and The wife and I love it It has no preservatives, No additives And comes unpasterized. It has a best before date and is very tasty. Brewed in Vaugn Ontario By Magnotta Breweries. Has anyone had it?
What beer is your current Favorite?
Do you try new brews?

Raptor


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Subject: RE: Beer
From: Cappuccino
Date: 11 Jan 02 - 02:15 PM

I spent a year writing for the leading trade paper for pubs in Britain... even though I don't actually drink the stuff! What fascinated me about beer in the States was that when you have your World Beer Cup (every two years?) all the sections which have British names, like 'traditional Scottish ale' are never won by the Brits.... usually by the Japanese, it seems.

Do you still have that incredible radio show, out of Cleveland I think, Beer Talk Radio? Two hours on a Saturday night, two guys talking about beer?

Brilliant show!

- Ian B


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Subject: RE: Beer
From: Mrrzy
Date: 11 Jan 02 - 02:17 PM

You know, I tried hard, serious efforts were made in various venues, and even a) after housepainting in the summer, b) with no other alcohol around at the kind of party I'd rather be other at, and c) interesting companions with information and stuff, I just can't get past how BAD beer tastes. I've tried and tried to like it, and would love to have more ideas on how to learn to like it (which is how I ended up housepainting in the summer in the first place!)... but it all tastes, well, like...beer. Bitter. No fun.... wish it weren't so...! But I hear very good things about the microbreweries in VA...


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Subject: RE: Beer
From: Ron Olesko
Date: 11 Jan 02 - 02:26 PM

Mrrzy,

I'm not sure what beers you've tried, but there are a number of lagers that aren't so bitter. That is one of the complaints about American beer, too bland!! The major breweries all try to produce a very middle of the road product that will appeal to everyone and they turn out something that is akin to tap water.

As for not caring for the bitter flavor, I think it is a lot like coffee complaints, some people can't stand Starbucks-type coffee - way too bitter!

You might consider trying something like Corsendonk or a nice Kriek. While you may find it bitter, you might find it interesting because of all the subtle (and sometimes not so subtle) flavors that are present.

Personally, I believe the secret to life can be found in a pint of Guinness draft. I have seen the light!!!!

I enjoy a lot of different beers. Sam Adams is my "house" beer, but I also enjoy Bass. Most of the times I enjoy ales and stouts.

Homebrewing is also fun. I've brewed some interesting flavors and styles.

Thanks. Now I am thirsty and I have to work for 3 more hours!!!!

Ron


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Subject: RE: Beer
From: CarolC
Date: 11 Jan 02 - 02:31 PM

Creemore Springs is the best beer I ever tried. Recommended to me by the wise and radiant Duckboots when I was in Toronto and Orillia last year. Although Max's own Pumpkin Pie Micro-brew, infused with "Max Essence" came in a close second when I was in West Chester this past fall.


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Subject: RE: Beer
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 11 Jan 02 - 02:37 PM

I've just been reading about John Willie Lees winter brew which has just gone on sale in Manchester, here in the UK, for £2.20 a bottle. Changes hands in New York for up to $55 apparantly! Should we try to make a killing? (Just kidding - suspect the duties and shipping would be prohibitive.)

Try Belgian Kriek Mrrzy - Mrs Gnome loves it and she doesn't really like beer. It's cheery flavoured! They do Rasperry (Framboise?) and other flavours as well. Another alternative is a stong ale or 'barley wine' - strong, dark and most often very sweet.

My favourite at the moment is the porter brewed by someone local (I can't remember who!) for the Crescent in Salford. Most beers I like tend to be the darker ones but there are a few light beers I enjoy as well - Including the German and Belgian cloudy wheat beers. I still enjoy a pint of the good old Manchester nectar though - Joseph Holts. Mmmmm!

Cheers

Dave the Gnome


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Subject: RE: Beer
From: Greycap
Date: 11 Jan 02 - 02:42 PM

Double Trappiste from Belgium - that's the stuff! Or Theakstons Old Peculiar from Yorkshire, UK. Oh, Yes.


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Subject: RE: Beer
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 11 Jan 02 - 02:50 PM

I tend to drink Guiness but if I go into a pub that has a beer I have never tried, the odds are that I will have a sample pint. My favourite bitter at the moment is Adnams Broadside which is brewed in Suffolk, England.

What is the reputation of John Willie Lees elsewhere? When I lived in North Wales, most beer drinkers I knew seemed to hate the stuff but I thought it was a very good pint. Thinking of beers to dislike - Robinsons is my pet hate - I even tried it in Macclesfield (figuring that was close enough to Stockport) once as it had been suggested it didn't travel to well but it tasted just the same...

Jon


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Subject: RE: Beer
From: Ron Olesko
Date: 11 Jan 02 - 03:06 PM

I've heard good things about John Willie Lees, but here in the NYC area it is largely a rumor, although I've never heard of $55 per bottle!

Ron


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Subject: RE: Beer
From: GUEST,Desdemona
Date: 11 Jan 02 - 03:11 PM

Check out the Black Sheep Brewery in Yourkshire if ever you have the chance; they make an amazingly yummy-licious porter!

I loooooove beer & ale, and prefer a heavier, more substantial brew as a general rule; I gave a talk on the history of brewing, and especially the place of women in brewing, just a few months ago. Up until the early modern period, when men started sussing out that it was a potetially luicrative concern, almost all commercial brewing was done by women, usually as a sort of cottage industry, since it was something that could be done at home Ale is at least as old as bread, and has an excellent claim to being a staff of life on its own merits! whilst still attending to other domestic duties.

So ladies---don't ever let anyone make you order a half pint again!


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Subject: RE: Beer
From: GUEST,Mad4Mud at work
Date: 11 Jan 02 - 03:13 PM

I've been fond of Portland Brewing Company's MacTarnahan's Amber Ale for quiet some time now. Their Honey Beer isn't bad either if you want a lighter taste. My husband just tried their Black Watch Cream Porter and thought it was very good too.


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Subject: RE: Beer
From: JudeL
Date: 11 Jan 02 - 03:17 PM

Wadsworth 6x , Brains Reverend James, Tanglefoot, Speckled Hen, Exmoor Gold to name but a few , so many beers so little time Jude


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Subject: RE: Beer
From: Raptor
Date: 11 Jan 02 - 03:36 PM

Why is it that our friends in the UK like thick beer you can chew?
And our american buddies like beer that is light and watery?
Raptor


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Subject: RE: Beer
From: CarolC
Date: 11 Jan 02 - 03:42 PM

You think Creemore Springs is light and watery? I thought it was rich and creamy.


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Subject: RE: Beer
From: GUEST,Desdemona
Date: 11 Jan 02 - 03:53 PM

That's funny; in my experience lots of English guys like to drink lagers, while my American friends & I are always keen to drink the real ales when we're there.


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Subject: RE: Beer
From: Ron Olesko
Date: 11 Jan 02 - 03:54 PM

We American's had our taste buds programmed by the big breweries. Lager yeast became popular in the 1800's here in the U.S. and it developed a following. Because of the size of the market,big brewers try to develop styles that will appeal to the largest group. The blander beers lend themselves to "having more than one" as the ad used to say. You can have three or four Buds and feel room for more where you would feel full with other brews.

This also contributes to higher rates of alcholism.

I would also say that cost is involved - American brewers use less hops and add rice to the beer to keep costs down. That is why a 6 pack of microbrews cost substantially more than Bud.

As for "thick and chewy", you would be surprised that many of the darker brews actually have less calories and less alchol.

Ron


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Subject: RE: Beer
From: jeffp
Date: 11 Jan 02 - 03:58 PM

For my money, give me something nice and hoppy. My usual is Sierra Nevada Pale Ale, but in winter I like porters and stouts. I'm a homebrewer, too. We're waiting for a lovely brown ale to condition in the bottles right now. Perhaps I'll try one tonight to check.

In my opinion, Bud, Miller, Coors, etc. are for people who don't like beer.

jeffp


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Subject: RE: Beer
From: Raptor
Date: 11 Jan 02 - 04:06 PM

I thought that Creemore Springs was from Creemore Ontario
Raptor


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Subject: RE: Beer
From: Jerry Rasmussen
Date: 11 Jan 02 - 04:09 PM

Before all American beers are categorized as dish water, I'd like to say a word on behalf of Rolling Rock in the long-necked dark green bottles. Intelligent commercials, and a good taste. Put beer in a can and you've already lost the battle.

Jerry


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Subject: RE: Beer
From: jeffp
Date: 11 Jan 02 - 04:17 PM

I have very fond memories of Rolling Rock from my college days. $4.25 + a dollar deposit for a case of 42 7-ounce returnable pony bottles! A tiny fraction of a cent over a dime apiece! We had a separate fridge with bottles of beer stacked like artillery shells. Thanks for stimulating the memory.

jeffp


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Subject: RE: Beer
From: gnu
Date: 11 Jan 02 - 04:19 PM

OK, I'm diverting all power to the shields, even the life support systems power, for this one. Let me try to evade the onslaught by telling you a beer story. The other day, I was in a new pub in my neighbourhood. I ordered my beer and a fellow nearby crapped all over it, saying that I may as well drink water. At that point, I realized that the very fact that it tastes more like water than beer is EXACTLY why I drink it. No after-taste, very little hangover, and it goes well with a meal. But it DOES taste somewhat like beer. And it only has 4% alcohol, so I can drink a few and not get that mushy brain feeling, and I can drink more than a few and not get that mushy guts feeling.

It's... wait til I get my coat on and get "one step t'ward the door" ... Bud Light. Seriously, I have tasted many different brews and actually like some better than BL, but, overall, the BL picks me up and doesn't slam me on the ground.

Anyway, if I was thirsty for taste, I'd have an OJ, or a TJ or a good cup of tea. And if I wanted more of an alcohol content, I'd be havin a chat wit Alfred (Lamb's amber rum).


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Subject: RE: Beer
From: GUEST,Gimme Cheap Or Gimme Death
Date: 11 Jan 02 - 04:20 PM

1.5 lb crystal until 160F 6 lb pale malt extract 2.5 gal H2O 1 oz low-acid hop for full boil .5 oz tettnanger for 5 min .5 oz cascade for 2 min combine w/2.5 gal more H2O after cooling, pitch yeast, and wait 2 weeks...PALE ALE, 5 gal for $20 or so

btw, if I buy beer, it's either Pabst or Coors Light.."what beer drinkers drink when they're not drinking beer"...


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Subject: RE: Beer
From: GUEST,Keltik
Date: 11 Jan 02 - 04:20 PM

waay back up the thread some one said "i hear VA microbrews are pretty good"

yep *G* they arre.. i'm a big fan of just about everything for Old Dominion Brewery and theres a smaller local brewer called Bardo that makes some yummy stuff...(Dremo mmmmm)

and fordham brewery in annapolis makse good things too mmmm oyster stout...

I am also havee a friend who homebrews beer and mead...his last batch of cream stout was "ohhhmygod-excuse-me-while-i-use-my-fingers-to-scrape-every-last-bit-of-foam-out-of-the-pint-glass" good...

tho in the end.. i always come back to guiness :)


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Subject: RE: Beer
From: Ebbie
Date: 11 Jan 02 - 04:30 PM

Juneau, Alaska (USA) has a microbrewery, Alaskan Beer, that delivers great taste. I prefer their Amber but a lot of people drink their Pale Ale. They also have limited runs of specials, like Smoked Porter, Wheat- I don't know what all. A friend of mine who used to brew his own no longer does because he's fine with Alaskan.


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Subject: RE: Beer
From: catspaw49
Date: 11 Jan 02 - 04:33 PM

RR is a bit unpredictable in flavor......Maybe that's the reason for the "33" Jerry.........33 different flavors from the same recipe!

Spaw


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Subject: RE: Beer
From: Ron Olesko
Date: 11 Jan 02 - 04:38 PM

.... which reminds me of a joke.

Adolphus Busch, Joseph Schlitz, Adolph Coors, and Arthur Guinness were having lunch one day. The waiter comes up to the table to take their drink order.

"I'll have an ice cold glass of Bud" ordered Adolphus Busch.

"Give Me a smooth glass of Schlitz" ordered Joseph Schlitz.

"I'll take a refreshing glass of Coors" ordered Adolph Coors.

"I'll have a Coke" ordered Arthur Guinness. His lunch companions stared at him.

"Well if you guys aren't going to order a beer, neither am I!" quipped Mr. Guinness!!!


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Subject: RE: Beer
From: artbrooks
Date: 11 Jan 02 - 05:01 PM

Lots of good beer in the States...mostly called microbrewery or craft beer. I think that the difference is the amount produced. A lot of microbreweries are also restaurants/pubs and they often don't bottle their beer at all. Regional beer in one part of the US tends to be "exotic" in other parts...Iron City, which is made in Pittsburgh and tastes rather like steel plant effluant, is priced with imports here in Albuquerque. I guess that's not unique to here...I noticed that all the locals were drinking Bud when I was in Ireland last year.

Guiness is ok, if you can't get a GOOD stout...try a Meckisons (sp?) XXX if you have a chance.


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Subject: RE: Beer
From: gnu
Date: 11 Jan 02 - 05:01 PM

And the old joke about two rivals sending their favourite beers away to a chem lab for analysis. The letters come back and one fellow recites, so many % this and that. The other fellow's letter reads, "We are sorry to inform you that your horse has died of diabetes."


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Subject: RE: Beer
From: catspaw49
Date: 11 Jan 02 - 05:07 PM

Hey art.....Iron City is the choice of Cletus, Paw, and Buford and the Reg Boys!

Spaw


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Subject: RE: Beer
From: Ron Olesko
Date: 11 Jan 02 - 05:11 PM

Mackeson's doesn't travel well to the U.S. unfortunately.

By the way, I don't want to sound like a beer snob. There is nothing that beats a cold can of Coors, some barbeque and a warm summer day. (Yes, I said can!!)

Beer is more intricate than wine. It is a more complex drink and the differences in taste are enormous. There are different time snd situations that call for a variety of beers.


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Subject: RE: Beer
From: GUEST,Amy from LA
Date: 11 Jan 02 - 05:17 PM

I used to hate beer until I went to England! I don't hate beer, I just hate American lager. I love what Dave, the Gnome calls Barley Wine and Stout and Porter. Ian B. have you ever been to The Orangery in London at the end of Pimlico Street in Chelsea. They are a microbrewry and pub in one. Their beer is the best of all time.

It's beer, beer, beer That makes you want to cheer in the halls, in the halls . . .


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Subject: RE: Beer
From: CarolC
Date: 11 Jan 02 - 05:21 PM

So there you go, Raptor. gnu is Canadian and he prefers dishwater, and I'm from the U.S. and I prefer Creemore Springs, which, as you say, is from Canada, and doesn't taste like dishwater.

(Not faulting your choice of beer, by the way, gnu. It's ok to like dishwater ;-)


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Subject: RE: Beer
From: Ron Olesko
Date: 11 Jan 02 - 05:27 PM

Ahhh... quitting time! This group has managed to make me very thirsty. I am going to stop by the beer emporium on the way home and find something tasty to sample.

Cheers!

Ron


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Subject: RE: Beer
From: gnu
Date: 11 Jan 02 - 05:29 PM

Welllll, I did drink Labatt's Blue, because you could buy it within my working travel range and not have to switch to a strange brew when you crossed provincial lines. Labatt's Lite is akin to BL and Blue is akin to Bud. Labatt brews the Buds we get here. The real reason I switched to Bud or BL is, DOUBLE full power to shields... belay that, FOURPLE full power to shields, Bud is the only one that funds the .... the... dare I say it ?... NRA. Yes, I dare say it and damn proud of it ! Freedom is not without a price.


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Subject: RE: Beer
From: CarolC
Date: 11 Jan 02 - 05:33 PM

You're just a sucker for punishment, aren't you, gnu?


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Subject: RE: Beer
From: artbrooks
Date: 11 Jan 02 - 05:33 PM

Aaaaahhhh! Sitting here drinking a Winterhook from the Red Hook Brewery in Seattle. Merde to your Labatt's/ Budweiser.


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Subject: RE: Beer
From: Ron Olesko
Date: 11 Jan 02 - 05:36 PM

Bud funds the NRA? Hmmmm... guns and alchol. What is wrong with this picture?

Ron


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Subject: RE: Beer
From: gnu
Date: 11 Jan 02 - 05:40 PM

Sucker... yeah, I suppose. But I had to defend my choice of Yankee "dishwater" over Canadian "dishawter". I AM Canadian.


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Subject: RE: Beer
From: poet
Date: 11 Jan 02 - 05:52 PM

When you read you begin with A B C
When you drink you begin with Doe Rae Me
The first few rules just Happen to be
Doe Rae Me

Doe a beer a mexican beer
Ray a man who buys me beer
Me a man I buy beer for
Far a long way to the bar
so I'll have another beer
La..ger no I said a beer Te no thanks I want a beer
and that brings us back to
Doe a B!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Graham (Guernsey)


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Subject: RE: Beer
From: Dicho (Frank Staplin)
Date: 11 Jan 02 - 05:57 PM

Here in Calgary, the Big Rock ales are very good. Most of the common imports are here, inc. Guiness, but I prefer the locals. Just as good and often better. Some of the microbreweries are OK.
Of course, all of the dishwater is here; Kokanee is one of the local favorites. Coors is my pick for a light soft drink on a hot day and I want to avoid the high percentage stuff, echoing Ron and Gnu.
An excellent dark beer is Dos XX (pronounced dose eckees) from Mexico; it is sold widely but often sold out in Canada but in Hawai'i on vacation I always picked it up with my breakfast makin's at the grocery and liquor vendors. Another dark beer in Mexico is Modelo, but the vendor always gives you a funny look because it is drunk, I think, mostly by invalids and gays. For something potent in a small bottle, try Cuauhtemoc. A few bottles of that and your head will buzz for a week.


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Subject: RE: Beer
From: catspaw49
Date: 11 Jan 02 - 06:19 PM

gnu my friend....I'm with you...sorta'...Bud still tastes a lot like soap to me, but after years of trying to drink the "preferred" brands and such, I prefer LB Blue and damn near any Pilsner over the other crap which come under the heading of "Vile, Foamy, Liquids." around here there is still Hudey and Schoenling's and Rolling Rock ain't awful, although Iron City does taste like industrial waste and gives me a headache. I guess we've had too much "Turkey Turd Beer" my friend and our tastes have changed.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: Beer
From: Herga Kitty
Date: 11 Jan 02 - 06:49 PM

If you're singing or dancing for the day you want a good tasty bitter with a low OG /ABV like Brakspear's ordinary, or Hook Norton or Youngs. Flavour without excess froth or falling over.


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Subject: RE: Beer
From: Gareth
Date: 11 Jan 02 - 07:02 PM

Having just returned from the "Royal Oak" - having downed 5 pints of Cask Conditioned (Real Ale ) Bass in honour of Joe Offer's nuptials perhaps I should not be posting.

But Two drinking Jokles.

1/. Whats the difference between "Watney's Red" and making love in a canuo.

None! they'r are both F****** close to Water.

2/. In Days of old Guiness shipped the produvts of Dublin over to Liverpool in Tank Ships. One day a Guiness Tanker was "T Boned" by a trawler off the Mersey Bar. It was a terrible tradedy. All 5 of the crew drowned trying to drink themselves ashore.

And then there is this

Gareth


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Subject: RE: Beer
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 11 Jan 02 - 07:30 PM

I just picked up Dogfish Head Chicory Stout. Wow. Stout with a hint of chicory and coffee. I will be up all night now.

Another favorite beer- Yuengling. There is nothing like it if you can get it on tap in the vicinity of the brewery.

I also remember really enjoying Olympia when I was in San Francisco during my college years. What a taste.

Like I said earlier, there is a beer for every occasion!

Ron


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Subject: RE: Beer
From: Dicho (Frank Staplin)
Date: 11 Jan 02 - 07:30 PM

Gareth, after those pints you couldn't handle the spelling, so how did you manage the clickee?


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Subject: RE: Beer
From: John Gray
Date: 11 Jan 02 - 09:10 PM

Do they still do Narragansett (lager?) that I used to drink in RI back in the middle 60's. It should have been sold at drug stores as a laxette.
San Miguel from the Philipines isn't to bad but my favourite is Cascade Pale Ale from the Cascade brewery in Tasmania. Very nutty, lots of hops and 5.1% alc content, aaahhhhh nectar.

JG/FME


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Subject: RE: Beer
From: GUEST,sophocleese
Date: 11 Jan 02 - 09:53 PM

Geez I don't have a favourite at the moment. I like to wander round the beer section of our local liquor store and try anything I haven't tried yet. Tonight I tried a Danish brand called Giraf cause I thought the kids would like the can; cunningly colored black and arange in a giraffe-like pattern. Fortuneatly the store likes to keep bringing in different brands so I haven't yet run out of options. When I'm at one of our local bars I usually order Guinness if I'm drinking beer or a Black Russian if I've got a sweet tooth.


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Subject: RE: Beer
From: Lyrical Lady
Date: 11 Jan 02 - 11:12 PM

I drink beer...not because I enjoy it ...but because...if I was to drink the stuff I like ... I'd be in a heap of trouble! I can order a pint and have it last well over an hour. If I was to drink my prefered wine ... I'd gulp it down way to quickly and be broke just as quick. Yep ... beer is a sure/safe bet for me! I've tried the vile black stuff and Musicman will tell you ... it nearly makes me gag... an aquired taste I'm told!

Cheers! LL


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Subject: RE: Beer
From: 53
Date: 11 Jan 02 - 11:31 PM

how many of you beer drinkers are fat and have beer bellies, ia am taking a poll? BOB


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Subject: RE: Beer
From: artbrooks
Date: 12 Jan 02 - 12:17 AM

Don't ask, don't tell, Bob.


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