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Subject: So, why isn't there any sex in LOTR?
From: GUEST
Date: 29 Dec 01 - 01:45 PM

And do you feel that the story would be better served by including something steamy?

There will be a quiz later.


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Subject: RE: BS: So, why isn't there any sex in LOTR?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 29 Dec 01 - 01:57 PM

Because it's not that sort of ring!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Jock


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Subject: RE: BS: So, why isn't there any sex in LOTR?
From: Amos
Date: 29 Dec 01 - 02:12 PM

You wouldn't recognize genuine sex if it bit ya!! There is a steamy seen where the Elven princess gives away her very immortality for the sake of one lifetime at the side of Aragorn, prince and heir apparent to the throne of Gondor, who has been pursuing other business in the guise of the Ranger known as Strider.

The DNA positively vaporizes with hyperexcitation and the deepest vibes that the male-female thing can generate! The rest, as in the very best art, is left to the imagination of the viewer.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: So, why isn't there any sex in LOTR?
From: wildlone
Date: 29 Dec 01 - 02:21 PM

Read the bloody book
If you want steamy sex you are on the wrong site

dave


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Subject: RE: BS: So, why isn't there any sex in LOTR?
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 29 Dec 01 - 02:38 PM

Tolkein based the books on the Norse and other medieval sagas. You won't find much steamy sex in those either.

Now as for steamy sex on this web site, its mostly kept hidden. Except for Blake Madison, that is. He's an animal.


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Subject: RE: BS: So, why isn't there any sex in LOTR?
From: GUEST, Cookieless Member
Date: 29 Dec 01 - 02:46 PM

Its just some little idiot who thinks he can embarrass the grown-ups by mentioning 'the *S*-word' cos it used to embarrass his parent(s)...

...& of course, Folkies are all REALLY old.... back from before sex was invented....*L*


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Subject: RE: BS: So, why isn't there any sex in LOTR?
From: GUEST,Gareth Cookieless pro tem
Date: 29 Dec 01 - 04:19 PM

Possibly they did not want the Orcs to pick up any dirty hobbits.

Ouch !

Gareth


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Subject: RE: BS: So, why isn't there any sex in LOTR?
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 29 Dec 01 - 04:28 PM

It depends how crowded the theater is. You don't want to be too obvious.

Ron


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Subject: RE: BS: So, why isn't there any sex in LOTR?
From: Rolfyboy6
Date: 29 Dec 01 - 04:51 PM

Tolkien was an Oxford 'Don' from the old England of 'Empire and muscular christianity'. Sex was not an option.


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Subject: RE: BS: So, why isn't there any sex in LOTR?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 29 Dec 01 - 04:56 PM

There's plenty of sex in LOTR, it's just not onscreen. Kind of like real life (most of the time).

- LH


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Subject: RE: BS: So, why isn't there any sex in LOTR?
From: GUEST,Desdemona
Date: 29 Dec 01 - 05:01 PM

Personally, I've always wondered what that groovy chick Goldberry saw in Tom Bombadil, but assumed it was something not to be discussed in polite company!

However, they didn't make it into the movie, so it must remain a mystery......!

I also agree with Rolfyboy....."steamy sex" is not the term I most readily free-associate with "Oxford don", but maybe that's just me?


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Subject: RE: BS: So, why isn't there any sex in LOTR?
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 29 Dec 01 - 05:46 PM

Oh boy, you don't know Oxford very well do you!!!

And I wondered about the whole Goldberry/Bombadil thing too....

But I agree with one of the earlier postings, read the books. Barely even a chaste kiss amongs the elanor in Lothlorien, the emphasis is on love and trust rather than shagging like orcs as soon as the halflings have gone to sleep......

LTS


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Subject: RE: BS: So, why isn't there any sex in LOTR?
From: Jon W.
Date: 29 Dec 01 - 05:46 PM

Read "Bored of the Rings" (The Harvard Lampoon parody). There's some there.


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Subject: RE: BS: So, why isn't there any sex in LOTR?
From: Rolfyboy6
Date: 29 Dec 01 - 06:25 PM

In LOTR everything has consequences, many of them sad and unavoidable. This is different from a simple no-guilt consumer society. 'If it feels good, do it' ain't much like Middle Earth. "Like, uh, Frodo is groovy, man."


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Subject: RE: BS: So, why isn't there any sex in LOTR?
From: Amos
Date: 29 Dec 01 - 07:03 PM

Speaking for older men generally I see absolutely nothing questionable about Goldenberry's attachment to Tom Bonbadil. He just had a better attitude, is all.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: So, why isn't there any sex in LOTR?
From: GUEST
Date: 29 Dec 01 - 10:34 PM

I've read all the books, seen the movie, and read the parody.

I LMAO reading Rolfyboy's reason! Dead on, IMO.

All the great manly epics which Tolkien based his tales on had a good amount of steamy sex, so why the sorry lack in LOTR?


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Subject: RE: BS: So, why isn't there any sex in LOTR?
From: wildlone
Date: 30 Dec 01 - 05:04 AM

The sorry fact is that the censors will allow scenes of great violence to be shown to all but as soon as there is any sex the film is concidered not to be suitable for children [or in the case of an 18 cert]young adults.
dave


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Subject: RE: BS: So, why isn't there any sex in LOTR?
From: John P
Date: 30 Dec 01 - 07:49 AM

Tolkien, unlike most purveyors of modern entertainment, understood that sex is a private activity for most people. Anyone with any adult understanding knows that when you have great and enduring love and children in the same family, you also have steamy sex. I, for one, don't have to see it to know its there. I still have the use of my imagination.

John Peekstok


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Subject: RE: BS: So, why isn't there any sex in LOTR?
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 30 Dec 01 - 10:54 AM

Amos - there are older men and there are older MEN!!! If Tom Bombadil were played by Sean Connery, then Goldberry's attraction might be a little better understood.....

(Ooh now there's another fantasy role play for me.......)

LTS


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Subject: RE: BS: So, why isn't there any sex in LOTR?
From: Amos
Date: 30 Dec 01 - 11:12 AM

Go for it Liz!! But you see my point. Tom Bombadil as written is obviously one of the Men who exerts the same kind of influence as Sean Connery. Certain of us have it, and some of us don't. :>))

A


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Subject: RE: BS: So, why isn't there any sex in LOTR?
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 30 Dec 01 - 11:19 AM

I've always imagined TB as a sort of Peter Pan, one of those blokes who look the same at 60 as they did at 20 - Cliff Richard (dragging this back to music of a sort) is one of those sorts, but frankly, I can't see him with Goldberry. I think it would have to be Sean....

Aaaaahhhhh.....

LTS


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Subject: RE: BS: So, why isn't there any sex in LOTR?
From: GUEST,cookieless Hille - still floating in occasio
Date: 30 Dec 01 - 04:40 PM

Well, I was in the bookshop yesterday and overheard a young woman was explaining very patiently to her very elderly grandmother(?) that it was all about a 4 foot Dildo.... confusion will doubtless reign in the Day Care centre lounge later?


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Subject: RE: BS: So, why isn't there any sex in LOTR?
From: Amos
Date: 30 Dec 01 - 05:08 PM

What good is a dildo with feet? Don't they...um...get in the way?

A


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Subject: RE: BS: So, why isn't there any sex in LOTR?
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 30 Dec 01 - 05:14 PM

Depends what you do with the toes.....

There goes another bunch of grapes.....

LTS


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Subject: RE: BS: So, why isn't there any sex in LOTR?
From: Paul from Hull
Date: 30 Dec 01 - 06:38 PM

*LMAO*


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Subject: RE: BS: So, why isn't there any sex in LOTR?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 30 Dec 01 - 10:28 PM

Yes, National Lampoon once composed a LOTR satire called "Bored of the Rings", as has been noted above in this thread somewhere...

It was puerile, tasteless, and about 1/15,000 the length of the original story...and had all the typical American humour about stupidity, ugliness, social irresponsibility and sex...standard fare.

It did also have some genuinely funny bits, I believe, so it wasn't a total loss.

The name they chose to give Bilbo Baggins in "Bored of the Rings" was...get this...

"Dildo Bugger"

This may help explain the confusion of the young woman in the store. I hope so, anyway. She may have read the wrong book.

- LH


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Subject: RE: BS: So, why isn't there any sex in LOTR?
From: GUEST,Celtic Soul
Date: 30 Dec 01 - 10:59 PM

Simply put, JRR lived in another era when he wrote the books, and didn't write any in.

We don't need no steenkeeng quizzes.


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Subject: RE: BS: So, why isn't there any sex in LOTR?
From: Willie-O
Date: 30 Dec 01 - 11:50 PM

Hey, Bored Of The Rings was REALLY funny. As explained in the forward, if it had been truly tasteful and clever and inoffensive, it would have been quite pointless.

Besides, it was the first (and about the only) book I ever shoplifted. Seemed appropriate, somehow. I read it a lot of times, to get my money's worth, I suppose.

As for sex, ever try doing it on a rickety footbridge?

Talk about a passion limiter.

Willie-O
Now pretty much reformed. (It's not the 70's anymore)


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Subject: RE: BS: So, why isn't there any sex in LOTR?
From: Les B
Date: 30 Dec 01 - 11:51 PM

As in all fantasies, their sex organs are between their pointy little ears !


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Subject: RE: BS: So, why isn't there any sex in LOTR?
From: Willie-O
Date: 31 Dec 01 - 12:15 AM

Well Bless Their Pointy Little Heads!


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Subject: RE: BS: So, why isn't there any sex in LOTR?
From: Melani
Date: 31 Dec 01 - 12:40 AM

As I recall, Tom Bombadil was a high-energy kind of guy...maybe that was the attraction.


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Subject: RE: BS: So, why isn't there any sex in LOTR?
From: GUEST,Spot (at the kennels)
Date: 31 Dec 01 - 09:09 AM

LtS what has Cliff Richard got to do with music:-)?

Spot


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Subject: RE: BS: So, why isn't there any sex in LOTR?
From: GUEST,Desdemona
Date: 31 Dec 01 - 04:17 PM

Although he's not described as such, I've always pictured Old Tom as about 4' tall & on the stolid side, and Goldberry as quite a bit taller. Since he IS described as constantly leaping all over the place, and forever speaking in those litte rhymes & songs, the only reason I could think of for Goldberry's attachment was that A. she probably didn't get a chance to meet too many guys sittting by her lily pool; B. he could tell all those nasty willow trees what to do; C. unseen qualities he may have possesssed in common with that "Right Whale" referred to in another thread!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: So, why isn't there any sex in LOTR?
From: Burke
Date: 31 Dec 01 - 05:15 PM

I like John P's explanation but Celtic Soul has the real answer.

The real incongruity for me is all those 'foul mouthed' orcs who really used very mild language in the books. In the movie they just grunt. I wonder if in the later movies the language of Mordor's inhabitants will be as purple as it should be.


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Subject: RE: BS: So, why isn't there any sex in LOTR?
From: Deda
Date: 31 Dec 01 - 05:31 PM

I'm re-reading LOTR currently and just saw the movie. I think the reason there's no sex in it is because there are no real female characters. Goldenberry and the elf-woman are not players, they don't participate in the quest or the council, they're not actually consulted, and their roles are pretty purely decorative. Neither Frodo nor Bilbo ever have any female friends or relatives -- no sweethearts, mothers, aunts, sisters, nieces, or daughters -- except for the nasty Sackville-Bagginses, nasty grasping gossips. I've actually found myself wondering about Tolkien's sexual orientation and view of women in general. Shakespeare's women are so rich and true and various, and have so much depth and texture! This guy just doesn't know or do women characters, except for mythological glow-worm statuette goddesses who are non human. Frodo and Bilbo are wonderful because they are so non-heroic and heroic at the same time. I'm almost done with the first book and I haven't seen any women yet who actually said, thought or did anything that affects the plot in any remote way.


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Subject: RE: BS: So, why isn't there any sex in LOTR?
From: GUEST,Nerd
Date: 01 Jan 02 - 03:42 AM

Deda,

I agree with what you say, Tolkien didn't do strong women characters. But that's no reason to question his sexual orientation! He was a happily married man who loved his wife and children, by all accounts. So why no good female characters?

Characters in general were not his strong suit--we know nothing about Gandalf's personal life, his likes and dislikes, etc. Characters exist in Tolkien's works in order to serve story functions; this is because he based his work on old myths and epics and romances, which are all very similar in this regard. What is Guenevere like in "The Knight of the Cart?" What are the women like in Beowulf? The Iliad? What, for that matter, is Beowulf like? They just don't have much personality.

In these stories, some hero-characters are fated to marry (Aragorn, Samwise, Tom Bombadil) and so women appear to fullfil that role. To ask Tolkien to supply women hero-characters would be a little anachronistic, in the sense that he was basing his works on male-dominated genres before the women's movement told us this was offensive to some people...


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Subject: RE: BS: So, why isn't there any sex in LOTR?
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Jan 02 - 10:38 AM

Yer absolutely right, Nerd. Now let's just be sure no women get in there to ruin the story for the fellas, and the women who love them.


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Subject: RE: BS: So, why isn't there any sex in LOTR?
From: GUEST,Desdemona
Date: 01 Jan 02 - 08:00 PM

You're right, Nerd; LOTR is basically a "buddies on an epic quest" story, and the literary forms on which Tolkien based it didn't tend towards a lot of strong female characters, or a great deal of character developmeent & background. I think it was Clinton who pointed out that sam Gangee is really the most fully-realised character in the entire story.


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Subject: RE: BS: So, why isn't there any sex in LOTR?
From: Steve Parkes
Date: 02 Jan 02 - 03:31 AM

The book is over a thousand pages as it is--how long would it be with steamy sex scenes?

Steve


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Subject: RE: BS: So, why isn't there any sex in LOTR?
From: GUEST,what !
Date: 02 Jan 02 - 04:38 AM

I agree there is a lack of string female characters but surely you are forgetting the influence galadriel had on the whole company! and what about rohans princess who kills the morgul lord ?


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Subject: RE: BS: So, why isn't there any sex in LOTR?
From: GUEST,ok so i meant strong typos eh? :)
Date: 02 Jan 02 - 04:39 AM


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Subject: RE: BS: So, why isn't there any sex in LOTR?
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Jan 02 - 10:47 AM

The epic is a male genre, in both literature and film. However, that doesn't mean that other epics don't have sex in them, and some have plenty of it.

While I hadn't considered that Tolkien was, as Rolfyboy put it:

"...an Oxford 'Don' from the old England of 'Empire and muscular christianity' (for whom) sex was not an option."

I now realize that really is the answer to my original question here. I had a good laugh, as I hadn't seen the reference to Empire and muscular christianity in a very long time, and it was great to see that someone even knew what it was, much less was able to use it in context in a Mudcat thread!

So thanks again Rolfyboy, for answering my question. It certainly "explains everything" about the lack of sex in Tolkien's works.


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Subject: RE: BS: So, why isn't there any sex in LOTR?
From: Jon W.
Date: 02 Jan 02 - 12:04 PM

I'm glad someone remembered Eowyn, the princess of Rohan. If she wasn't a strong woman character, who is? She did her best to gain Aragorn's romantic interest while remaining true to her feminist principles, she dressed up like a man and went to war (remind you of any folk songs?) and as "GUEST What!" mentions above, she did in the leader of the Nazgul. Plus she won and married Faramir over the objections of the polite society of Gondor. What more do you want?


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Subject: RE: BS: So, why isn't there any sex in LOTR?
From: mairsilin
Date: 02 Jan 02 - 12:08 PM

There's no sex in the movie, LOTR, because there's no sex in the trilogy, LOTR, and as I understand the movie was made to be as faithful to the book as possible. Now, as to why there is no sex in the book, I love all the explanations offered especially the "muscular christianity" comment. Am now rereading the trilogy since my first reading was 30 years ago back "in the day" when all self-respecting hippie-type folkies read Tolkien in a bit of an altered state of consciousness; amazingly, I remember the story quite well but forgot a lot of details--one thing I do remember is that there wasn't any sex--not on a physical level anyway. But, despite the lack of steaminess, it's a great story and one not to be missed. So take it for what it is or isn't as the case may be and by all means just enjoy it!!


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Subject: RE: BS: So, why isn't there any sex in LOTR?
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Jan 02 - 12:09 PM

I think suggesting that there are feminist characters in LOTR is pretty delusional. But people believe whatever they want to believe when it comes to the things they have strong emotional connections to it.

I realize there are a lot of people who love these books and/or the film, who are going to want to believe that Tolkien was a really progressive, enlightened kind of guy. He wasn't. He was a conservative Oxford academic, who happened to love epics, so tried his hand at writing one. He did a pretty fair job, considering he took it on as prose instead of poetry (which the majority of the world's epic literature is written in), and tried to give it that muscular Christian spin. He did it at least as well as Lucas did with Star Wars, IMO. But that is only my opinion.

But please people, let's stay grounded in reality here. A feminist character in LOTR? I don't think so...


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Subject: RE: BS: So, why isn't there any sex in LOTR?
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 02 Jan 02 - 03:47 PM

If "feminist" implies a generalized political drive for the promotion of women as a class, then Eowyn doesn't seem to fit. But if "feminist" refers to a female character who won't accept being put down because she's female, who insists on exercising her own abilities as freely as does a male, then that describes her.

Arwen in the book is one-of-a-kind, the only daughter of Elrond the Half-Elven. She's not developed beyond a sort of cardboard cutout figure, but what little we know is that she and Aragorn were childhood sweethearts, and she had faith in him, waited many, many, many years for him to come into his own, and when he achieved his throne was immediately ready to abandon her immortality (a choice she had by right of her descent from Elrond the Half-Elven)in order to mary him. The childhood connection and her choice (and its gravity) are only made clear in the final volume; prior to that she's at best a sort of passing background figure.

Galadriel is assuredly not a feminist. She is the top of the heap by the nature of things, and has been for centuries, perhaps millennia, and is one of if not the only remaining elf of those who personally came back to Middle Earth from the West. While she has a male consort, her status and power are greater than his. There is neither any suggestion that the betterment of others of her sex is any particular part of her motivation nor any need to struggle to establish herself against a male-dominated society; thus, she's no feminist.

Goldberry, though nominally female, is a one-of-a-kind nature-goddess type, not particularly involved in societal issues like gender equality. No feminist there.

Rosie is clearly an "unenlightened female", a homebody, the antithesis of a feminist.

I THINK that's a complete catalog of the female characters in the saga.

Dave Oesterreich


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Subject: RE: BS: So, why isn't there any sex in LOTR?
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Jan 02 - 03:54 PM

In my world of "definitions of a feminist" none of the characters in LOTR qualify as one. Nor does the perspective from which the books are written qualify as one even remotely connected to feminism and feminist values.

There are a lot of strong women characters found in literature, but that doesn't make their character or creator "feminist" or enlightened, regardless of the gender of the author/creator.


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Subject: RE: BS: So, why isn't there any sex in LOTR?
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 02 Jan 02 - 04:42 PM

Well if the couple behind me were anything to go by, there's plenty of sex in LOTR, but they could well have been doing it during Harry Potter as well!!!

LTS - who's just got back from seeing it, and wishes the back of her head would come back - it's very loud!!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: So, why isn't there any sex in LOTR?
From: Celtic Soul
Date: 02 Jan 02 - 05:15 PM

If you think of the Quest in terms of War, and the Fellowship in terms of a small group of soldiers, then (especially for Tolkiens time) women would not have been around much. Even in todays world, a woman on the front lines is nearly unheard of.

And I would add that, were *I* being chased by Nazguls, Orcs, Balrogs, Golum, and all sorts of nastiness as such, I'd likely not be thinking about getting laid. I'd likely be thinking about keeping moving, and trying to stay alive long enough to finish what I had to do...

Then I'd go home and attack my honey! ;D

But, in the end, I really do think it was simply the times in which Tolkien lived that made for the story as it was written.

And anyway....are there not *enough* stories in the world rife with sex? You want sex in the fantasy genre, read the ElfQuest series of graphic novels...hell, there's an orgy in book 4, complete with pictures!


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Subject: RE: BS: So, why isn't there any sex in LOTR?
From: Dicho (Frank Staplin)
Date: 02 Jan 02 - 05:42 PM

Methinks Guest needs a cold bath for initiating this thread. A Clean Mind In A Clean Body (or is it v. v.?) and all that stuff.


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