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Subject: RE: BS: Harry Potter
From: MMario
Date: 13 Nov 01 - 01:41 PM

another thought (and trilogy)'The Singers of Nevya' - by Ingram


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Subject: RE: BS: Harry Potter
From: MMario
Date: 13 Nov 01 - 01:46 PM

Witch Week; The Chronicles of Chrestomanci; Half-Magic


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Subject: RE: BS: Harry Potter
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Nov 01 - 02:07 PM

How do I get the movie? What is FTP? Where on the web is it?


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Subject: RE: BS: Harry Potter
From: Celtic Soul
Date: 13 Nov 01 - 02:22 PM

You get the movie at this point in time by going to see it at a Theatre, or by waiting very patiently for at least a year (likely a year, as they will probably want the X-mas sales for next year) for it to come out on video.

In Theatres now in the UK, in Theatres this Friday here in the States. Dunno about the rest of the world! :D


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Subject: RE: BS: Harry Potter
From: Celtic Soul
Date: 13 Nov 01 - 02:27 PM

You get the movie at this point in time by going to see it at a Theatre, or by waiting very patiently for at least a year (likely a year, as they will probably want the X-mas sales for next year) for it to come out on video.

In Theatres now in the UK, in Theatres this Friday here in the States. Dunno about the rest of the world! :D


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Subject: RE: BS: Harry Potter
From: 8_Pints
Date: 13 Nov 01 - 03:31 PM

Celtic Soul, I used to love reading out loud to my classes at school - the books had to be good. My own youngest daughter is an avid reader and she often used to recommend stories that she had enjoyed. We both enjoyed HP very much, but then we both like the Star Wars films so you may not want to follow our advice! Have you read the "Indian in the cupboard" series by Lynne Reid Banks? They certainly fire the imagination. Anne Fine and Jacqueline Wilson also write excellent books for reading aloud.

Sue vG


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Subject: RE: BS: Harry Potter
From: weepiper
Date: 13 Nov 01 - 05:26 PM

I agree with Mmario, anything by Diana Wynne Jones if they like Harry Potter. DWJ books were my absolute favourite when I was wee, and many of them have a similar 'magic hiding just below everyday mundanity' theme to HP stories. For reading aloud maybe "The Ogre Downstairs" or "Charmed Life", for older kids to read to themselves then "Power of Three" or "Fire and Hemlock".


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Subject: RE: BS: Harry Potter
From: SINSULL
Date: 13 Nov 01 - 05:49 PM

"The Twits" - Dahl
"Dooley And The Snortsnoot"


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Subject: RE: BS: Harry Potter
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 13 Nov 01 - 06:00 PM

Am I the only one who thought of Jacob Two-Two Meets the Hooded Fang when I read the first HP book???


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Subject: RE: BS: Harry Potter
From: cyder_drinker
Date: 13 Nov 01 - 06:02 PM

I personally will (although I loved all four books) wait until the film is available on DVD. Then I will be able to watch it on my own terms, without having to put up with noisy children, noisy crisp packets, foul smelling popcorn, mobile phones ringing, etc, etc, ad nauseum.
Until all these people can be made to realise they actually went to the theatre to see a film, not stuff their faces and have a chat with Auntie Edna in Cambridge in between typing out text messages and shouting at their kid who's just spilt its icecream all over their laptop computer, the optimum size for a film audience will be one!


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Subject: RE: BS: Harry Potter
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 13 Nov 01 - 06:27 PM

I go to the movie theatre to see a film AND to stuff my face!!!! No home made popcorn is movie theatre popcorn!

Mind you, I also don't go when there are kids there either... Hopefully there will be a late show of HP, so I don't have to put up with other peoples lack of birth control!


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Subject: RE: BS: Harry Potter
From: Celtic Soul
Date: 13 Nov 01 - 08:18 PM

There's a showing near me on the day it opens at 11:35PM.

Not that that helps any of you in England one whit. ;D

For those who want the big screen experience without the kids, you can always wait a week and see the late show in a school night. That ought to help keep the distractions down some. :D


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Subject: RE: BS: Harry Potter
From: CamiSu
Date: 13 Nov 01 - 11:39 PM

Jacob Two-Two and Harry? Maybe I need to go read Jacob again, but I don't see the connection. For a read-aloud, Soup by Robert Peck is hard to beat, though we had to pass it around as we would get to laughing too hard to read.

But HP really lit the fire under my youngest as far as reading by himself went. He just finished "Where the Red Fern Grows"....in tears. But he loved it.

CamiSu


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Subject: RE: BS: Harry Potter
From: Grab
Date: 14 Nov 01 - 10:02 AM

Kid's books - Hobbit, all the way. The Narnia series are pretty good. Also the Starstormers series is worth getting for age-11-ish kids - it's sci-fi fluff, but quite a bit darker than the usual kid's stuff - and some other stuff by the same author (can't remember his name offhand). The Tripods series for the same age group and the same reason.

Wind in the Willows and the William Horwood sequels are good for slightly younger kids, and also for adults who'll pick up on the themes behind it. Also the Jungle Book.

Pratchett for anyone of any age.

Much Roald Dahl, but I'd advise reading it yourself first bcos he wrote more than a few books of adult fiction (and some is _very_ adult :-).

Graham.


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Subject: RE: BS: Harry Potter
From: sian, west wales
Date: 14 Nov 01 - 11:58 AM

So, has anyone been to the official HP website and been Sorted? Anyone else in Hufflepuff? I've got an Owl, and quite a nice Unicorn Hair Willow 10 inch wand.

sian


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Subject: RE: BS: Harry Potter
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 14 Nov 01 - 03:49 PM

When The Black Stallion came out in about 1980 I heard discussion of it on NPR, and went to a theater to see for myself--the children were silent throughout. They were literally mesmerized by the film, and I would expect that effect from Harry Potter.

I read all four Potter novels out loud to my children (and I don't think they need to be 10 to read it), and agree with remarks above, that they aren't written for reading out loud, not like The Hobbit or other excellent children's books like Charlotte's Web, Stuart Little, Charlie and the Chocolate Factory and many others by authors of that ilk.

A couple of years ago I read an interview that J.K. Rawlings was concerned about how the books would translate to film. This morning on NBC's Today Show it was reported that she loved the movie, and had been asked to collaborate with the director on the film. That probably helped.

As a human being, it sounds like Rawlings deserves all of the praise heaped upon her. For example, she donated ALL of the proceeds from two small Potter companion books to the British Comic Relief organization--they approached her hoping she'd autograph a few books they could auction off, and instead they probably realized millions from her generous act. She had the presence of mind to insist that the publishers, printers, distributors, etc. not take any profits from the works, everyone donated to the cause.


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Subject: RE: BS: Harry Potter
From: mousethief
Date: 14 Nov 01 - 03:58 PM

Tolkein had a most serious case of literary bloat

Philistines.


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Subject: RE: BS: Harry Potter
From: Penny S.
Date: 14 Nov 01 - 04:31 PM

Other books to stir the reluctant reader. Funny, also boarding school, read by boys and girls (even though its a boys' school) - the Jennings series by Anthony Buckeridge. Recently the publishers said they were taking them out of print, but, you lucky people who have never seen them before, they are to be released in the States in three weeks time. The first one is called "Jennings goes to School." Here's a sample:

From "Jennings Goes to School" by Anthony Buckeridge.

Mr. Carter saw in front of him a small boy not unlike the dozens of other small boys who were lined up outside his room. His suit, socks and tie conformed exactly to the regulation pattern. His dark brown hair, which still bore the faintest trace of a parting, was no different from that of his fellows, and his face was the average sort of face worn by boys of his generation. So Mr. Carter learned little from this first meeting. Later on, he was to learn a lot. "A new boy, eh?" said Mr. Carter. "And what's your name?" "Jennings, sir." "Oh yes, here you are on the list. J.C.T. Jennings; ten years, two months. Right?" "No sir, not quite right, sir; ten years, two months and three days last Tuesday, sir." "We won't worry about that," said Mr. Carter. He had placed the new boy by now. Only that morning the Headmaster had shown him a letter from a Mr. Jennings, expressing doubts lest his son, who had never been away from home before, should not settle down at boarding school. Mr. Carter gave him another look; he seemed the sort of boy who knew how to look after himself.

And another:

"Oh, and there's another thing, Jennings," said Venables amidst splashes, "you have to wash your feet every night unless it's your bath night." He grabbed his tooth paste and squeezed hard. "Oh, golly!" he said. "This is ozard muck. Look, I've squeezed out about a yard and a half. What'll I do with it? I can't put it back." "You could write your name round the basin like they do with icing sugar," said Jennings, who had arrived to occupy the remaining basin. "Have you got enough to write 'many happy returns of the day'?" "Haven't got time," replied Venables," though it'd be quite a prang if we'd thought of it earlier." He took a mouthful from his tooth glass and gargled. "I say, Atki," he said, "can you change gear when you gargle? Like this, look ---- I mean, listen." He gargled again, starting on a low note and rising up the scale with forcible vocal contortions to show where the gears changed from low to second, from second to top. The car gathered speed, and, as an artistic finale, faded into the distance. "Super duper!" said Jennings. "Smash-on prang!" agreed Atkinson. "Yes, it's not bad, is it?" admitted Venables. "I've been practising quite a lot in the hols." "All the same, I can do it just as well," said Jennings. "So can I," said Atkinson. The dormitory hummed with cars changing gear; light sports cars with super-charged engines and heavy lorries stalling on steep hills. Atkinson swallowed his gargle while changing down to take a hairpin bend, at eighty miles an hour, and had to be slapped on the back by his fellow motorists. "I know something better than that," said Jennings. "I can be a super-jet fighter; listen.... Eee-ow-ow; eee-ow-ow; eee-ow-ow.....Dacka-dacka; dacka-dacka..." his machine gun spat venomously. "Eee-ow-ow; eee-ow-ow; eee-ow-ow....Doyng!" "What's the 'doyng'?" inquired Venables. "That's the other plane crashing after I've hit him," said the aeronaut. "I'm going into a dive, now. Eee-ow-ow; eee-ow-ow....Dacka-dacka; dacka-dacka...." The Squadron's personnel was at once joined by Venables, Atkinson and Temple in Spitfires, and all four eee'd and ow'd and dacka-dacka'd and doynged with outstretched arms, wheeling, banking and diving, while Darbishire sat on his bed and put his fingers in his ears. The door opened and the noise stopped abruptly. "H'm," said Mr. Carter from the doorway. "If dorm No.4 Fighter Squadron doesn't make a forced landing and get back to base, there'll be trouble; this light's going out in three minutes." "Yes, sir," murmured the Fighter Squadron meekly.

There is a period sense to the early books - a lot of RAF slang, for example. These aren't the best bits of comic writing (Buckeridge has been compared to Wodehouse _ I can't remember by whom) - I happen to have them on my computer because I used them as texts for teaching. And this is a link to Buckeridge on Rowling.

When Harry met Jennings

Penny


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Subject: RE: BS: Harry Potter
From: Penny S.
Date: 14 Nov 01 - 04:39 PM

Corrected version - also, the first book does contain folk music references in a rendition of "Fire Down Below" which leads to a fire drill and an incident with an inertia reel escape, and a fire engine called by mistake.....

From "Jennings Goes to School" by Anthony Buckeridge.

Mr. Carter saw in front of him a small boy not unlike the dozens of other small boys who were lined up outside his room. His suit, socks and tie conformed exactly to the regulation pattern. His dark brown hair, which still bore the faintest trace of a parting, was no different from that of his fellows, and his face was the average sort of face worn by boys of his generation. So Mr. Carter learned little from this first meeting. Later on, he was to learn a lot.
"A new boy, eh?" said Mr. Carter. "And what's your name?"
"Jennings, sir."
"Oh yes, here you are on the list. J.C.T. Jennings; ten years, two months. Right?"
"No sir, not quite right, sir; ten years, two months and three days last Tuesday, sir."
"We won't worry about that," said Mr. Carter. He had placed the new boy by now. Only that morning the Headmaster had shown him a letter from a Mr. Jennings, expressing doubts lest his son, who had never been away from home before, should not settle down at boarding school. Mr. Carter gave him another look; he seemed the sort of boy who knew how to look after himself.

And another:

"Oh, and there's another thing, Jennings," said Venables amidst splashes, "you have to wash your feet every night unless it's your bath night." He grabbed his tooth paste and squeezed hard. "Oh, golly!" he said. "This is ozard muck. Look, I've squeezed out about a yard and a half. What'll I do with it? I can't put it back."
"You could write your name round the basin like they do with icing sugar," said Jennings, who had arrived to occupy the remaining basin. "Have you got enough to write 'many happy returns of the day'?"
"Haven't got time," replied Venables," though it'd be quite a prang if we'd thought of it earlier."
He took a mouthful from his tooth glass and gargled. "I say, Atki," he said, "can you change gear when you gargle? Like this, look ---- I mean, listen."
He gargled again, starting on a low note and rising up the scale with forcible vocal contortions to show where the gears changed from low to second, from second to top. The car gathered speed, and, as an artistic finale, faded into the distance.
"Super duper!" said Jennings.
"Smash-on prang!" agreed Atkinson.
"Yes, it's not bad, is it?" admitted Venables. "I've been practising quite a lot in the hols."
"All the same, I can do it just as well," said Jennings.
"So can I," said Atkinson.
The dormitory hummed with cars changing gear; light sports cars with super-charged engines and heavy lorries stalling on steep hills.
Atkinson swallowed his gargle while changing down to take a hairpin bend, at eighty miles an hour, and had to be slapped on the back by his fellow motorists.
"I know something better than that," said Jennings. "I can be a super-jet fighter; listen.... Eee-ow-ow; eee-ow-ow; eee-ow-ow.....Dacka-dacka; dacka-dacka..." his machine gun spat venomously. "Eee-ow-ow; eee-ow-ow; eee-ow-ow....Doyng!"
"What's the 'doyng'?" inquired Venables.
"That's the other plane crashing after I've hit him," said the aeronaut. "I'm going into a dive, now. Eee-ow-ow; eee-ow-ow....Dacka-dacka; dacka-dacka...."
The Squadron's personnel was at once joined by Venables, Atkinson and Temple in Spitfires, and all four eee'd and ow'd and dacka-dacka'd and doynged with outstretched arms, wheeling, banking and diving, while Darbishire sat on his bed and put his fingers in his ears.
The door opened and the noise stopped abruptly.
"H'm," said Mr. Carter from the doorway. "If dorm No.4 Fighter Squadron doesn't make a forced landing and get back to base, there'll be trouble; this light's going out in three minutes."
"Yes, sir," murmured the Fighter Squadron meekly.


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Subject: RE: BS: Harry Potter
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 14 Nov 01 - 04:43 PM

"Philistines"

JRR didn't have many original ideas either... he stole probably 95% of the whole mythos of Middle Earth from previous myths, legends and folk-lore...

He put them (his influences) together pretty well, but he needed 1) a good editor and 2) someone who could teach him to write characters... his are all 2 dimensional cut outs... with the one exception of Samwise...


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Subject: RE: BS: Harry Potter
From: GUEST,Souter
Date: 14 Nov 01 - 05:04 PM

Okay, two things.
First, for a REALLY funny set of books, the Enchanted Forest quartet by Patricia Wrede. You'll be laughing too hard too read them aloud. And secondly, the reason Tolkiens book took so much from other cultures is he was only interested in creating a medium for his conlangs. He was so involved in those, he had no time to be original with the setting.


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Subject: RE: BS: Harry Potter
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 14 Nov 01 - 05:15 PM

"...so involved in those, he had no time to be original with the setting."

You say that like you think it's justification...

;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Harry Potter
From: Hollowfox
Date: 14 Nov 01 - 05:23 PM

Souter, Wrede did a collection of short stories a few years ago called Book of Enchantments. There's an Enchanted Forest story in it involving the Frying Pan of Doom called "Utensile Strength".
Sinsull, it's all right for you not to enjoy the HP books. I've tried for years to enjoy Jane Austin to no avail. Enjoyment (or lack thereof) should not be a social obligation. Don't let them pressure you. *g* (for the record, I do happen to like them).

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Subject: What to read after HP...
From: lamarca
Date: 14 Nov 01 - 05:44 PM

Most libraries and bookstores started compiling "If you enjoyed Harry Potter, try this book..." lists after the phenomenon really got going in the US. About.com has a roundup of lists here. Some of them have been mentioned above; here's a couple of my favorites:

The Book of Three, The Black Cauldron, The Castle of Llyr, Taran Wanderer and The High King, by Lloyd Alexander. I read this series of five fantasies as a child, (im)patiently waiting for Mr. Alexander to write the next one, and then for my public library to buy it. Now my nephews and niece are engrossed in them. Alexander's tales of how the foundling, Taran, grows to manhood and finds his place in the world is set in a mythical land based loosely on Welsh mythology. There is magic, humor, good and evil, featuring Taran, the Assistant Pig-Keeper, Eilonwy, the lost Princess of Llyr, Fflewdder Fflam, the bard with a penchant for exaggeration and a magic harp whose strings break at the sound of falsehood, the enchanters Dallben and Gwydion, Arawn, the evil King of Death, and Henwen, the Oracular Pig. The characters grow and change through the five books, and the writing is more literary than Harry Potter, but not so much that kids are put off - The High King won the Newbery Award for children's literature.

My second favorite series is Susan Cooper's The Dark Is Rising, Over Sea and Under Stone, Greenwitch, The Grey King and The Silver Tree. Ms. Cooper is again writing with English/Welsh myth and legend as background, but the Drew children are modern kids drawn into an epic fantasy battle. These are darker in tone than the Alexanders. Ms. Cooper has been heavily involved with Jack Langstaff's Revels organization and folk themes; The Grey King also won a Newbery.

Another good "mundane children drawn into otherworld battle between good and evil" is Joy Chant's Red Moon and Black Mountain, although this one was justifiably published in Lin Carter's Ballantine Books "Adult Fantasy" series - it's a complex tale, and is probably better for teens than younger kids.

For young kids, Eve Ibbottson's "The Secret of Platform 13" is wonderful - published before the Harry Potter stories, it involves a secret portal at railway track 13 which is only visible to magic users, and which only opens every nine years. My nephew really liked this one, and I heard that Ibbottson's other books are fun, too.

By the way, I'm in Ravenclaw...


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Subject: RE: BS: Harry Potter
From: CamiSu
Date: 14 Nov 01 - 06:22 PM

There was a week when our whole family was sick and we just all sat in our bed and read the Taran Wanderer (Book of Three etc) series, out loud, in three or four days. Anything by Lloyd Alexander I would recommend. Especially The Arcadians. There are so many good books... and so little time!

And I. too, love the Enchanted Forest books.

CamiSu


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Subject: RE: BS: Harry Potter
From: catspaw49
Date: 14 Nov 01 - 07:01 PM

Karen is reading HP to Michael and he's hating it....outwardly. Interestingly enough though, the other night he brought me a drawing.......the kid is an unbelievable artist!!......of Harry himself. A good sign that he's enjoying something. Norbert sits atop my computer and the movie is a must see, although we'll wait a bit.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: Harry Potter
From: sophocleese
Date: 15 Nov 01 - 08:08 AM

I am delighted to see that with the interest in Harry Potter the Diana Wynne Jones books are being reissued. I'm collecting them whenever I see one.

Philip Pullman is also a lovely author to read. His Golden Compass trilogy is for older readers but my kids are enjoying Count Karlstein which is a great take on the gothic thriller.

Alan Garner's Weirdstone of Brisingamen would also be a good read for any young fantasy readers.


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Subject: RE: BS: Harry Potter
From: Peter K (Fionn)
Date: 15 Nov 01 - 04:33 PM

On the button, CarolC, with that post comparing JKR with the rest. Surprisingly no mention of Jaqueline Wilson, the one who sets her characters in broken homes etc - but does it well, and constructively. One of her books is The Illustrated Mum (mum likes tattoos) and there's one with a Mrs Beaker in the title. Among others.

But right now I'd settle on anything to wean my daughter off the Nancy Drew books. She seems determined to read every damn one of them, being just not quite old enough to realise that they're all the same.


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Subject: RE: BS: Harry Potter
From: Hollowfox
Date: 15 Nov 01 - 04:56 PM

Don't worry, Fionn. I'm told that it is a natural part of cognetive development to want to read something "just like that one I just enjoyed", so she's probably right on schedule. Think of them as cerebral fiber. Nutritionally necessary, with no vitamins. (for a real hoot, read some of the earlier editions; they get updated periodically, so she no longer wears a cloche or drives a roadster with running boards.)


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Subject: RE: BS: Harry Potter
From: kendall
Date: 15 Nov 01 - 07:31 PM

I must admit that I have not read any of the Harry Potter books, so, dont know what is in them that has really upset a local bunch of Christian "wing nuts". They applied for a permit to have a "Book Burning" and, they were refused because of the dry conditions. They have now decided to cut up a stack of Harry Potter books. Where have we heard of this sort of thing before? What's next, another crystal night?


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Subject: RE: BS: Harry Potter
From: mmm1a
Date: 15 Nov 01 - 07:40 PM

Kendall, that is terrible. I had thought we were beyond book burning and such . I wonder when these fools will ever learn. mmm


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Subject: RE: BS: Harry Potter
From: CarolC
Date: 15 Nov 01 - 08:03 PM

Apparently not, mmm1a. I had a wing nut attorney accuse me in court of being a witch (despite the fact that the US constitution protects my right to be a witch if I so choose), because he heard that I had read "The Witches", by Roald Dahl, to my son.


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Subject: RE: BS: Harry Potter
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 15 Nov 01 - 08:37 PM

My children have read the series by Lemony Snicket called "A Series of Unfortunate Events." They include The Bad Beginning, The Reptile Room, The Wide Window, The Miserable Mill, The Austere Academy, The Ersatz Elevator, The Vile Village, and The Hostile Hospital. A rather grim set, in which the children barely snatch victory from the mouth of defeat each volume, and it offers a lot of vocabulary. I read the first couple out loud, then the kids took over on their own.

Down here in the Bible Belt in Texas several diligent christian parents have tried to have the Harry Potter books banned from schools. They're reminiscent of Canute with his broom, considering the tide of popularity that Harry Potter is riding. One can only assume that since they can't appropriate the materials contained in the novels, they would stamp them out. Kind of like Halloween. Every October 31 the children at my son's school have class parties. A flyer comes home from the PTA that they may not mention or represent witches or ghosts or pumpkins. . . they generously call it an "Autumn Festival" and the kids come home with candy in orange wrappers.


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Subject: RE: BS: Harry Potter
From: Grab
Date: 16 Nov 01 - 07:39 AM

CarolC, ask him if he believes he's God or Jesus, since he read the Bible. Or even better, think of the possibilities with Toad of Toad Hall. I want to be a mole... and live in a hole.... ;-) I hope everyone in court laughed their cotton socks off!

I don't care what they do with the books. It's their money they're wasting. The publisher can always reprint. In fact, the local bookshop may be onto a winner if they want to buy every book he gets in and burn them - he can buy them in by the truck-load and make a fortune. :-)

Graham.


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Subject: RE: BS: Harry Potter
From: Cllr
Date: 16 Nov 01 - 08:05 AM

I know I have committed the cardinal sin of not reading the previous posts but I didn't want to spoil seeing the film, but tonight twenty of us from my AmDram Soc are going to see it in Leicester Square.Hurrah! Cllr


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Subject: RE: BS: Harry Potter
From: CarolC
Date: 16 Nov 01 - 09:40 AM

Good one, Graham. Actually, the people in the courtroom were too stunned to do much of anything except sit there with their mouths hanging open.


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Subject: RE: BS: Harry Potter
From: 8_Pints
Date: 16 Nov 01 - 08:35 PM

We've just got back from a late night screening of the film and must say that all the family enjoyed it. Our fam consists of two 15 year olds (daughter 15 going on 30 and son 15 going on 5!) and 22 year old girl who, like me, thinks that Jane Austen rules! There is a huge diversity of tastes lurking amongst us and yet we all found the film entertaining. It had a good story line, kept pretty faithfully to the book and had fantastic special effects - with only 3 bloodies and and a bugger the language was clean and there was absolutely no sex whatsoever! Bob was very impressed with the Quidditch scene that he thought was a combination of aerial rugby and the chariot scene from Ben Hur! We would recommend it to anyone who likes fantasy and fun films and a bit of pure escapism - go and see it and judge for yourself! Sue and Bob vG


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Subject: RE: BS: Harry Potter
From: Greyeyes
Date: 17 Nov 01 - 06:09 AM

An earlier discussion on HP anticipating the film can be found on this thread , it also has a lot of recommendations for other books.

Clinton, "JRR didn't have many original ideas either...." neither did Shakespeare, there's nothing new under the sun.
I've just finished part 3 of Philip Pullman's "His Dark Materials" trilogy, certainly the outstanding piece of children's literature I've read for a very long time. Pullman comments at the end "I have stolen ideas from every book I have ever read. My principle in researching for a novel is "Read like a butterfly, write like a bee," and if this story contains any honey, it is entirely because of the quality of the nectar I have found in the work of better writers."
The Amber Spyglass was included in the long-list for the Booker Prize this year, the premier literary award in the UK for adult fiction, an astonishing achievement for a children's writer.

Hollowfox, so I'm not the only avid reader who can't get a handle on Jane Austen?


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Subject: RE: BS: Harry Potter
From: AllisonA(Animaterra)
Date: 17 Nov 01 - 06:34 AM

I stood in line for 3 hours yesterday and it was worth it! I agree with all the praise (and criticism, I might add) but all in all, it was a great cinematization of the book. My daughter, who has all but memorized the books, was critical of some serious (to her) ommissions, but we had a great time.
I hope I don't have to wait as long in line for LOTR!


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Subject: RE: BS: Harry Potter
From: mmm1a
Date: 17 Nov 01 - 09:44 AM

We went to see the movie last nite and surprisingly there were no long lines, but then what do you expect in Indiana. We really enjoyed the movie, defintly worth it. Animaterra I had to laugh when I read your post, my 11 yr old son too has all 4 books memorized and He also was critical about some of the things that were left out,but He still liked the movie. mmm


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Subject: RE: BS: Harry Potter
From: Willa
Date: 17 Nov 01 - 10:41 AM

kendall; 'They applied for a permit to have a "Book Burning" and, they were refused because of the dry conditions. They have now decided to cut up a stack of Harry Potter books. Where have we heard of this sort of thing before?'
Fahrenheit 451
Fionn; I remember being spellbound (presumably that would now be frowned upon!)as a child listening to the Just-So stories. 'Before the High and Far-Off Times, O my best Beloved, came the time of the Very Beginnings; and that was in the days when the Eldest Magician was getting Things ready. First he got the Earth ready, then he got the Sea ready; and then he told all the Animals that they could come out and play.'


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Subject: RE: BS: Harry Potter
From: Celtic Soul
Date: 17 Nov 01 - 10:42 AM

We saw it last night as well. We pre-purchased the tickets at noon, went an hour early so we could get good seats, and read book 4 while we waited in line. My daughter wore her Hogwarts robes, and we all had HP T-shirts on. Man, are we a bunch of geeks or what?!?!?! ;D

The effects were wonderful, the casting was *brilliant*, the actors rendered the roles wonderully, the directing was commendable. Mr. Columbus did a masterful job of translating a large book to film. It missed some parts (and added some dialogue), but we expected that. There's just no way to fit most novels into the time frame of a movie, though they did a good job of condensing book one. I cannot imagine *how* they are going to fit the entirety of the important information from book 4 into one film, though! It's more than twice the size of book one. I worry that they will have to sacrifice a heck of a lot to keep to 2-3 hours.

We shall see!


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Subject: RE: BS: Harry Potter
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Nov 01 - 11:15 AM

I haven't read the books, don't know the stories, etc. But was looking forward to seeing this and the upcoming "Fellowship of the Ring" (which I think looks great). I was very excited by the buzz the film is getting. Ordered advance tickets on sale, got to the theater early, etc etc. Understand that the marketing stuff is the same as Dukes of Hazzard, Superman, etc. and am not put off by it, as I think it is much more positive than that stuff for kids.

So, went to the movie last night. It is gorgeous looking. The special effects don't overtake the film. Excellent cast.

I fell asleep half way through the movie. Yes, I fell asleep.

Well, if there is no real story, and the film is just a series of events to get to the final good vs evil battle, you've lost me. If it doesn't have a really good story to tell that holds together for both children and adults (no matter how much we love all the little details), it just won't work for me.

I give it a 5 stars out of 10. I'm hoping I'll be able to stay awake through it when it comes out on DVD. I'll be sure to watch it first thing in the morning.

I also don't have a problem with long films, if the story justifies it. To me, action sequences just can't be used to justify too long a length in narrative books, plays, movies, stories, songs, etc.

I'm sure for Harry Potter cult members, this film is a joy. If you aren't a Harry Potter cult member, you might want to save your money for "Fellowship of the Rings" on the big screen, and wait for HP to come out on DVD. Wish I had.


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Subject: RE: BS: Harry Potter
From: GUEST,Lascivious Librarian
Date: 17 Nov 01 - 11:46 AM

Yes CarolC, Alan Rickman *is* worth going to the film for. Unfortunately, his delicious character is something we don't get enough of in the film.

I agree that this film won't hold the interests of many adults who haven't read the books. The plot is tortuous to follow for the non-initiated. As Graham has pointed out so well, there are many holes in the story that just make no sense whatsoever if you haven't read the book.

The film looks mahvellous, but the story line really doesn't hold up.

I too am all for anything that gets kids reading. Once they are accustomed to reading, it is easy to get them to read "good books" (haughty sniff).

And I can't second the suggestion of Susan Cooper's books enough. Dark, but delicious. It was my daughter's favorite series of "chapter books" we ever read aloud. She is a very good writer. So how about somebody makes a movie of her stuff?

Also, once the kids are older, introduce them to the Marion Zimmer Bradley "Mists of Avalon" books. They suffer from the same bloat that Tolkien does (why don't editors do their jobs?), but it is still grandly entertaining light and fun reading.


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Subject: RE: BS: Harry Potter
From: Cllr
Date: 17 Nov 01 - 11:58 AM

Great film really enjoyed and my wife and I want to go and see it again while it is still on the big screen. Robie Coltrane was brilliant. Cllr


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Subject: RE: BS: Harry Potter
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 17 Nov 01 - 12:03 PM

The translation problem is from the book format to the movie (90 to 150 minute length) format. They should go back to the serials like Buck Rogers that played in the theater for 30 minutes before the feature movie. There would be lots of cliffhangers to work with as the producers worked their way agonizingly through the books. Or (heaven forbid?) turn it into a television series. Play a chunk of it each week, like Masterpiece Theater until they've done it the way it needs to be done.


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Subject: RE: BS: Harry Potter
From: SINSULL
Date: 17 Nov 01 - 12:12 PM

I love Jane Austin...and have to admit that the concept of vomit flavored candy appeals to me. I was second on line for the opening of "Jurassic Park". One question: Do they show the stone in the movie? - it never makes an appearance in the book. nd does Harry figure out that the inscription on the mirror is meant to be read in reverse?


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Subject: RE: BS: Harry Potter
From: guinnesschik
Date: 17 Nov 01 - 12:45 PM

Wow, we took the two bratlings to see HP last night. We bought tickets in advance, and sat in a crammed theater for a 5 PM showing. We all loved it, although my 13 year old stated her grievences in the car on the way home. At 2.5 hours it is a bit long for the really young ones, and several parents of the under 7 set had to make countless trips to the rest rooms. And what can I say about crying babies? All that aside, we thought the movie was brilliant, and we enjoyed it thoroughly. Two and a half hours of escapism for the price of tickets. Well woth it if you ask me.


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Subject: RE: BS: Harry Potter
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Nov 01 - 01:56 PM

I also think parents of young children should think twice about seeing it in the theaters, because of the length. There seemed to be very many very bored young ones in the audience at our showing too. Older kids were even squirming in their seats & heading out for candy & a pee break, and that was only at an hour into the film.

Better on video and DVD for the very little ones methinks, because of the length and what is likely too intricate/convoluted (depending on your point of view) a plot line for them to follow. I hated it when my kids were small, and the buzz for a supposed "family film" wouldn't live up to the actual product. I always appreciated people telling me the truth about how it played for the smaller kids. "Kindergarten Cop" is a good example of that. My daughter, then in kindergarten, went to see it with friends who had raved about how much the (older) kids had loved it. My daughter was pretty upset by the violence, and hated the movie.

So--no violence problems in this at all. But intricacy of the plot and length of film combined, my guess is a lot of kids under the 8-10 range, and some of them in that range, if they haven't read the book, will be bored to the point of distractions, and prone to wanting to wander through the multiplex, demanding you spend a fortune on all the multiplex sparklies.

Just a word of caution for those who only have small children, and have been thinking of going, even though it isn't a very good film for really young 'uns.


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Subject: RE: BS: Harry Potter
From: Noreen
Date: 17 Nov 01 - 02:52 PM

I took my 10yr old daughter and 3 of her friends to see Harry Potter last night, amidst great excitement on their part (and mine!).

They thought it was all wonderful, screamed, jumped and laughed in all the right places (and there were lots of such places).

7.15 pm seemed a good time to go, as there were no crying babies, but lots of groups of Brownies and older families; everyone seemed engrossed.

I enjoyed it very much too, loved Hagrid and Ron, and John Cleese as Nearly Headless Nick (a nice surprise as I'd not heard that he was in it).

It was very much the film of the book, though, and I can understand those who've not read the book being a bit lost, as the plot development is pretty sketchy.

Great fun though.

Sins: yes, they show the stone- like a large piece of amber or glass- not quite as I'd imagined. And the inscription on the mirror of Erised was shown, but it wasn't mentioned that it was in reverse. The idea of it was done well though.

And Mrs Norris's name wasn't mentioned! :0)


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