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Subject: Harry Potter
From: selby
Date: 11 Nov 01 - 01:49 PM

If you are not intrested in the new Harry Potter film then read no further. IT WAS BRILLIANT. We went to see it yesterday 2.5 hours of pure enjoyment. For the experts it sits very close to the book and is well worth watching. Keith


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Subject: RE: BS: Harry Potter
From: AllisonA(Animaterra)
Date: 11 Nov 01 - 02:01 PM

Please, UK 'Catters, don't tell too much! We in the US have to wait another week before we can see it! I have a crazy friend who's going to stake out a spot in line for her kids and mine on Friday night- we've been looking forward to this for ages!


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Subject: RE: BS: Harry Potter
From: Deda
Date: 11 Nov 01 - 02:05 PM

I can't wait. I loved the books, all of them. There's a lovely HP poster in the Boulder bookstore which says something like "Draco dormiens non excitandum" -- perfect Latin for "Sleeping dragon should not be awoken." And there is a lot of Latin in the books, as well as many classical references. The Latin teachers of the world are thrilled about Harry, as are the children, parents and childrens-lit-lovers of the world. There are a very few dusty academic curmudgeons who don't think the books are of a high enough caliber -- but that's exactly what everyone dislikes about academics.


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Subject: RE: BS: Harry Potter
From: Bat Goddess
Date: 11 Nov 01 - 02:23 PM

I usually wait to see things (sometimes til they come out on video), but for this I'm willing to battle the early crowds (and a theater full of ankle biters and knee grabbers). Been looking forward to it for ages, especially since the photo layout in Vanity Fair a couple months ago.

Bat Goddess


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Subject: RE: BS: Harry Potter
From: alanww
Date: 11 Nov 01 - 02:27 PM

I agree with selby - its great escapism for children of whatever age. Just shows that I'm just a big kid really!

Oh! I've got a friend in Yellowstone, Yogi, Yogi ...
Alan


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Subject: RE: BS: Harry Potter
From: DougR
Date: 11 Nov 01 - 02:27 PM

"Ankle biters and knee grabbers," Bat Goddess?

What kind of movie theaters do you attend? :>)

DougR


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Subject: RE: BS: Harry Potter
From: Eric the Viking
Date: 11 Nov 01 - 02:35 PM

We booked for advance tickets-worth every penny and every moment, probably will go to see it again, maybe after we've seen Lord of the rings (which I can't wait for) Absolutely excellent. Go se it, it is very close to the books-me and the kids have read/and are reading them.

If you are not a big enough kid, don't waste your time-I am and I think it's the best film I've seen in ages, especially bearing in mind that I like wide variety of films. But great family entertainment. As for most academics-well they sit with their thumbs up their arses most times!


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Subject: RE: BS: Harry Potter
From: SINSULL
Date: 11 Nov 01 - 03:01 PM

OK. I will be the one! I just bought my first Harry Potter book and I just don't get it. Interesting use of classical "hero" themes. Cute. But not "Alice In Wonderland". What is wrong with me? Keep in mind - I have a MA in Ancient Languages. I "get" all the Latin references. I can't be getting old - that is not in my plan.


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Subject: RE: BS: Harry Potter
From: Mrs.Duck
Date: 11 Nov 01 - 03:20 PM

I got all the Latin references too, Sinsull but that only added to my enjoyment of every page of the four books! We haven't seen the film yet but I have promised to take Alec for his birthday in a couple of weeks. To the best of my knowledge he hasn'r read a book that wasn't a school text for ages but just couldn't put the Harry Potter books down! Personally I would not allow any child under the age of ten to read them and will not be taking Maddie (Little Duckling) to see the film as she is only 7. Just waiting for Ms Rowling to finish number 5 now!


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Subject: RE: BS: Harry Potter
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 11 Nov 01 - 04:03 PM

While I'm not so enthusiastic about Lord of The Rings (been following the development for almost 3 years now... Peter Jackson loves LOTR the was a taxidermist loves a moose!) I do have high hopes for it and Harry Potter... The fantasy movie genre tends to not fair well, but with these 2 coming out so close to each other, things may change... It's the prospect of the inevitable low budget copy cats that sickens me...

I'm currently engrossed in #4 Harry Potter and listening to my first hearing of the BBC production of LOTR (it's about time someone did a good S. Morgensternian "GOOD PARTS" version of LOTR)

Children under 10 should be READ harry potter... good for them... good for you... good for everybody!

;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Harry Potter
From: weepiper
Date: 11 Nov 01 - 05:30 PM

Draco Dormiens Non Excitandum = 'Let a Sleeping Dragon Lie', surely, pun on 'Let sleeping dogs lie'?
I really want to see the Harry Potter film and Lord of the Rings too, both the trailers looked promising.


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Subject: RE: BS: Harry Potter
From: Lin in Kansas
Date: 11 Nov 01 - 05:35 PM

Clinton--never thought I'd see the day when I'd actually AGREE with you about something!!! :>D

I read Harry Potter to my 9-yr-old grandson at bedtime every night when he stayed with us last year--both of us had a hard time finding a place to stop each night!

Loved the books. I have no children near me that I can take to the movie, but I'll be in line all by myself when it finally comes out in Wichita.

Lin


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Subject: RE: BS: Harry Potter
From: 53
Date: 11 Nov 01 - 06:06 PM

i won some free cokes by looking under the specially marked tops of harry potter coca cola, and the only thing i know about harry potter. BOB


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Subject: RE: BS: Harry Potter
From: Nemesis
Date: 11 Nov 01 - 07:13 PM

And one of the best things is that HP has revived the flagging recruitment to boarding schools - I'm booking seats for my two little toads pronto :)


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Subject: RE: BS: Harry Potter
From: Grab
Date: 11 Nov 01 - 07:50 PM

Just been to see the film - we went over to see my mate and his g/f, and she blagged us tickets to a pre-screening. I wrote a really accurate and literate review of it, just previously, then my PC crashed and I lost it. So here's round 2:-

What's it like? Bottom line, it's a very good children's film. Another half-hour, maybe even another hour, and it would have been a great film, period. Why? Read on...

The plot is almost directly taken from the book. There's some inevitable cuts, cutting-and-pasting of scenes/dialogue and other stuff, but it doesn't affect the basic plot at all. So that's good.

The adult actors are all pretty good (with the names in there, they should be!) with the exception of the Quirrell actor who hams like it's going out of fashion. Daniel Radcliffe playing Harry is actually pretty good, but the girl playing Hermione is only fair, and the lads playing Ron, Malfoy and Neville are all only good-pantomine standard. But they're only kids yet, so I'll let that pass - most kids are not Haley Joel Osment.

The FX are good too, up to the standard you'd expect. The troll scene and the chess game are very well done, and so is the Quidditch match (only one is shown). The Quidditch match works really well - they've got moves worked out so that the Chasers really do play as a team ("one-two" moves and stuff), although there's not much shown of the Beaters, and the Snitch seems rather too easy to catch. It's made more realistic by being obviously physical (elbows and stuff) instead of being a nice safe game as it sometimes seems in the books.

So, to why it's only an average-quality film for adults. Basically it all comes down to character and atmosphere - frankly, there isn't any of either. The film's so busy getting through the plot, there isn't enough time spent to develop any character beyond a simple one-dimensional sketch (even Harry), and there's no feel for the setting at all. I'm sure this comes down to cutting the film to suit children's bladder timings - a longer version might easily make up for that, but aimed at 8-year-olds, that's just how it goes. I will say that it didn't seem like 2 1/2 hours, and that's down to the speed the film rushes through the plot. But the depth of the book is completely absent, which is a shame. It may be inevitable that a film never lives up to the book it's taken from, but it's always disappointing when it happens nonetheless.

Details of this? OK, some spoilers (not plot spoilers, just details):-

The Harry/Malfoy rivalry is cut completely (apart from one short scene at the start). So there's no reason for Harry to be saying "not Slytherin", and there's no reason for Malfoy to be giving snide grins at getting them into trouble. Similarly, the Harry/Snape rivalry is almost cut completely (apart from Alan Rickman hanging around wearing black, looking menacing and talking ominously) so the assumption that it's Snape doing stuff comes completely out of thin air.

Schoolwork gets maybe 20 seconds, and there's no homework. So Hermione comes across as a precocious brat, instead of actually working hard for what she knows. In the whole film, the teachers never use magic (apart from McGonagall's cat transformation and Dumbledore turning the streetlights out) so we don't really know if they're any good, or even if they're magic at all. No-one mentions that Dumbledore is better than Voldemort when there's discussion of Voldemort, so when someone does, it's just plucked out of thin air with no basis, and the discussion of Voldemort and talking about Harry's parents being killed takes 30 seconds, max. And instead of Harry being rescued by Dumbledore at the end whilst fighting desperately for his life, he takes on Quirrell and beats him single-handed in a matter of seconds, so it doesn't seem like he was ever in any danger.

Rushing through the plot, there's no time to introduce anyone apart from the main characters. So we don't get to know any of the Quidditch players, and as a result we don't really care what happens to them in the match. There's only one Quidditch match, so we don't get to see Harry getting any better at flying, and he doesn't actually seem that good anyway compared to the other Quidditch players. Harry doesn't do any magic spells (intentionally, anyway) in the whole film, so Hermione saying that he's a great wizard is not at all believable.

Lastly, "atmosphere". A film with a shorter plot could have used lots of sequences of the kids dealing with moving staircases, trick stairs and stuff like that, just to fill in the time - an imaginative FX guy could think up some really good variations on that to keep it interesting, plus walking suits of armour and stuff. Instead, we get one brief moving-staircase sequence and that's it. Hogwarts just becomes a passive backdrop, so there's no reason you can see for the kids to get attached to it - there's no visible character to it.

Is it worth the money to get in? Yes, especially if you've got kids. But for my money, Shrek was much better - it managed to keep an edge which made it appeal to adults too. Harry Potter will probably be your kids' favourite film ever, but it's not going to get the adults going back to see it again and again - worth seeing once, but no more. There's no particular depth or charm to it, so there's no detail to miss.

Graham.


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Subject: RE: BS: Harry Potter
From: mmm1a
Date: 11 Nov 01 - 07:55 PM

Thank You Ever since my son and I heard about the movie we have been counting down the days.He has read all 4 books several times (so have I) and have gotten the rest of the family to read them also.My daughter who works in Fort Wayne is getting us tickets ahead of time and I will be going up to make sure we are in line on friday.I can't wait for the lord of the rings to come out , always thought they should have made it years ago.My God this is a first , I took a survey last week that asked what was the last movie I saw at a theater, after thinking about it I had to tell them it was Father of the bride part 2. I guess I need to get out more , but I really haven't seen any movies I would want to pay that kind of money to see , usually wait till they come out on video.

mmm


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Subject: RE: BS: Harry Potter
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 11 Nov 01 - 07:57 PM

Now I didn't read it all because I'm avoiding spoliers, but "nice safe game"???? What books have you been reading??? It's a contact sport no?

LOL!!

Wnna see something really dissapointing? Have a look around the net at what the religious zelot idiots are saying about Harry Potter...

Dullards... the lot of them...


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Subject: RE: BS: Harry Potter
From: CarolC
Date: 11 Nov 01 - 08:05 PM

SINSULL, I hate to be the one to break this to you, but if you don't get the books, it means you're a Muggle. I don't know if there's a remedy for that or not. Micca could probably tell you.

I see that Alan Rickman is in the movie. That alone is reason enough to see it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Harry Potter
From: mmm1a
Date: 11 Nov 01 - 08:08 PM

I was thinking the same thing ,no where in the books is Quidditch ever called a safe game. I have heard alot of religious reasons why Harry Potter is so evil of a book I usually just ignore them saying everyone is intitled to their own. One was my own daughter-inlaw oh well. Haveing read all the books I can see no problems with it and look how much it is encouraging kids and adults to read. Of course they said the same thing about the Lord of the rings too . go figure, to each their own I guess mmm


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Subject: RE: BS: Harry Potter
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 11 Nov 01 - 08:15 PM

I don't care if it's hardcore porn... if it gets (especially north american) children away from the television and the internet for a few hours a day, any book they are reading can't possibly be a bad thing!

I will also have to plead to not being much of an Alan Rickman fan, but Robbie Coultrian and John Cleese more than make up for his apperance!

:-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Harry Potter
From: SINSULL
Date: 11 Nov 01 - 08:20 PM

CarolC - Gloves are off. I'm telling Micca on you! And beware lady. A Muggle I am not. More like the caterpillar in Alice's Wonderland. NOW...just Who...are U?


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Subject: RE: BS: Harry Potter
From: mmm1a
Date: 11 Nov 01 - 08:20 PM

Sinsull keep reading, the other 3 books only get better and better. And hey its ok to be a muggle some of my best friends are muggles :) mmm


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Subject: RE: BS: Harry Potter
From: CarolC
Date: 11 Nov 01 - 08:25 PM

I stand corrected, SINSULL. Re: your question, I tend to relate the most to Gandalf.

That's understandable, Clinton. My interest in Alan Rickman is purely lascivious.


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Subject: RE: BS: Harry Potter
From: SINSULL
Date: 11 Nov 01 - 08:37 PM

Muggles - as of chapter 1 - are cruel people who take in stray children only if they are forced upon them. So right from the start, I don't qualify. The female of the species shrieks a lot - I don't. But as I get quieter, BEWARE. They have neat homes and bratty kids - I do not. And they hate magic - I revel in it. You are all on my list!


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Subject: RE: BS: Harry Potter
From: CarolC
Date: 11 Nov 01 - 08:43 PM

Not all Muggles, SINSULL. Hermione Granger's parents are both Muggles, and they're lovely people. However, I take you're point about the magic.


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Subject: RE: BS: Harry Potter
From: MMario
Date: 11 Nov 01 - 08:43 PM

Sinsull - I don't think anyone will claim the books are great literature - but they seem to "catch" the imagination and sense of fun of a lot of people (myself included) without being either "preachy" or totaly inane. And that is basically what they are suppossed to be - reading as entertainment.


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Subject: RE: BS: Harry Potter
From: Grab
Date: 11 Nov 01 - 08:50 PM

OK, it's not _called_ a safe game, but nothing ever happens, not without outside interference anyway (jinx/Dementors), and the referee always calls penalties on fouls. Whereas the film has them playing dirty and loving it, the little tarts! (or was that another film? ;-)

John Cleese is pretty much just a cameo, but Robbie Coltrane gets some decent screen time.

They also had the LotR trailer at the start. Again, I'm worried that taking all the plot to the screen will hamstring the film. Fortunately Tolkein had a most serious case of literary bloat, so they should be able to edit it down to 3 good films. And no-one will complain if the LotR films are long - after the books, you'd expect 3 1/2 hours minimum per film. Count me in on that one next month!

MMM1A, if you've not yet seen it then get out there and watch Shrek at the cinema - you may still find a theatre showing it. I can't recommend that film enough (and a cover of a Leonard Cohen song on the soundtrack as well - what more could you ask :-) That was the first film in ages where I came out thinking "I'm really, really glad I saw that" instead of just "well, it's a fun way to spend an evening".

Clinton, there is nothing I would not believe from nutters with religion (so-called to distinguish from the religious-and-relatively-sane majority). The moment you sign your critical faculties over an arbitrary third party instead of making your own decisions on right and wrong, you may as well take out your prefrontal lobes too, since you've obviously no use for your higher thought processes. Nutters with religion - can't live with them, and can't shoot them cos they've got more guns and ammo than the rest of us...

Graham.


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Subject: RE: BS: Harry Potter
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 11 Nov 01 - 09:14 PM

Nutters with religion

LOL!!!

sound like a Neil Gaiman turn of pharse....


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Subject: RE: BS: Harry Potter
From: SINSULL
Date: 11 Nov 01 - 09:59 PM

MMario - Agreed. I used to tell my son's teachers that if Playboy was the only way to get him to read, I was for it. Harry Potter and friends has gotten young people to read - this is wonderful. It has provided a fantasy world for millions - this is wonderful. Sorry if I came across as disapproving. I had hoped to be swept up in the magic and it isn't happening. My loss.


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Subject: RE: BS: Harry Potter
From: mmm1a
Date: 11 Nov 01 - 10:26 PM

Grab I just saw shrek last week . I watched it with my 2 youngest (7 and 11) and my 4 year old grand son. And yes I agree it was good, esp ,liked the music. My daughter-inlaw(not the one who is againest Harry Potter) bought the video and let us borrow it. My sons favorate song line from the movie was brush your shoes and and wipe your (pause) face pretty funny stuff for an 11 yr old.ok I thought it was funny too , little ones didn't get it though I am sure my 7 soon to be 8 will get it soon enough after hearing her brother sing it 10 millions times. mmm


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Subject: RE: BS: Harry Potter
From: GUEST,maxine
Date: 12 Nov 01 - 07:30 AM

Sorry about the above message - someone stole it from me before I could write it! What I was going to say before I was robbed was....saw the film last night and it was fantastic. Everything was just as I imagined it would be. The Leaky Cauldron pub is a pub in the heart of London but can only be seen by 'magical folk' - a strictly non muggle clientelle! It is the secret gateway to Diagon Alley, THE place to go for your wands, robes, owls etc...anything you may need to be a good wizard/witch I suppose. Robbie Coltrane was fabulous as Hagrid, a real gentle giant infact the whole cast was perfect. Personally,I've always had a bit of a 'thing' for Sirrius Black (3rd book) can't wait to see who'll play him in the 3rd film....suppose i'll have to be patient, they've only just started filming the second!


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Subject: RE: BS: Harry Potter
From: Mr Red
Date: 12 Nov 01 - 07:32 AM

Harry Potter?
I'm afraid I glaze all over just at the thought
As I don't intend to see the film I busy myself separating the hype from the "paid critique" and the just plain bandwagon - it is very revealing.
I do hope it is popular - there is a lot of money riding on this broomstick. I notice Maggie Smith and Zoe Wannamaker are it in along with other super-luminaries. Can't fail really.


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Subject: RE: BS: Harry Potter
From: sophocleese
Date: 12 Nov 01 - 08:11 AM

Well we're all waiting in this household for the movie to show up in Orillia sometime in the next year.

I read the first book to my son when he was 7. He read the second, third and fourth books by himself at 8/9. He was one of the four Harry Potters in his classroom Halloween party. I don't think I can escape taking him to see the movie. Sorry, I skipped all posts that were going to tell me something about the movie. I like my surprises.


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Subject: RE: BS: Harry Potter
From: Greyeyes
Date: 12 Nov 01 - 08:28 AM

It's Draco Dormiens Nunquam Titillandus (never tickle a sleeping dragon).


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Subject: RE: BS: Harry Potter
From: CaptainLewis
Date: 12 Nov 01 - 09:31 AM

Sinsull, really now, the stories either tend to appeal or they do not - much like JRRT's stuff. My wife can't stand LOTR because JRRT blathers on and on ad nauseum and doesn't get to the point (her words). I enjoyed LOTR as an intricately woven story justifying his languages (as he put it).

Harry Potter, (and a point missed by most of the religious right - including my b-in-law) is a well-written morality play that appeals to cetain sensibilities - like mine. My wife likes it too, oddly enough. But JKR has a nice blend of the mundane and the magical to work with which gives the reader touch-points to keep it rolling.

Grab - I think they were pretty good in getting to the stuff were able to - and since most of us going were already on familiar terrain - why belabor the plot point for the uninitiated?

As an old friend used to quote - "Good stuff, Maynard!" Cheers!

-CLB


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Subject: RE: BS: Harry Potter
From: A Wandering Minstrel
Date: 12 Nov 01 - 11:39 AM

Not only kids. If the number of copies on my train in the mornings is anything to go by it's getting adults to read too.

I got to a press preview of the movie myself this weekend and the film is really good. Its a bit trimmed but the whole heart of the original book is there, and it didn't get "Hollywoodized" either. And contrary to what a certain red-neck baptist may claim it won't cause you to be delivered up to the evil one only chilled by the "one who must not be named".


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Subject: RE: BS: Harry Potter
From: GUEST,Leila
Date: 12 Nov 01 - 11:51 AM

I have also already got my ticket. A bunch of us from work ordered them online last week. I absolutely can't wait. I read the first book because I have to, I'm a librarian and work with kids. But it was only a few lines into the first book that I was hooked, and in no time at all, I became the obsessed fool I am about these books. One of my dearest dreams would be to meet Rowling and sit with her for a few hours (or days) and talk about her stories. She's brilliant!

Who else is getting dressed up to go see the movie? I'll never grow up!!

Giddily (is that a word?), Leila


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Subject: RE: BS: Harry Potter
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 12 Nov 01 - 12:09 PM

"My wife can't stand LOTR"

Nor mine... I finally convinced her to read LOTR after he telling me of her dad reading them The Hobbit when they were young... When she did finish LOTR, she turned to me and said, "Yer right, he's no Guy Gavriel Kay, that's for sure."

So we hopped into bed and read 'Tigana' to each other again...

;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Harry Potter
From: Cappuccino
Date: 12 Nov 01 - 01:16 PM

Just another one from the religious nutters side - I write for several Christian papers, I think Harry Potter's great, and anyone who thinks it's inciting our kids to withcraft really has left their tree! The only reason JK Rowling ain't on my Christmas card list was because her agent declined my request for an interview... my 13-year-old wasn't the only one who was really hacked off at that!

= IanB (dedicated JKR fan)


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Subject: RE: BS: Harry Potter
From: Grab
Date: 12 Nov 01 - 04:48 PM

Exactly Ian. Not just out of their tree, but out of the entire sodding forest and accelerating. Good job you're one of the religious-and-relatively-sane majority eh? ;-)

Ah-hah, got a name for it now. It's the Eejit Horizon, formed around extremely dense ppl. All your sensible arguments fall into their immense personal gravity and are lost, and all that comes out are beams of nasty radiation which are toxic to anyone around them. And time gets distorted around them too - listening to them rattling on for a few minutes, you'd swear you'd been there hours.

Graham.


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Subject: RE: BS: Harry Potter
From: Peter K (Fionn)
Date: 13 Nov 01 - 12:38 AM

My only real gripe with the books is that they are not well written for reading aloud. For instance there are longish speeches where you don't know who's speaking till the end of the quote - so you don't know whose voice you're supposed to be doing!

Mrs Duck, my daughter started on HP age six and had finished the four books by age eight. What lasting harm will she suffer? These books were totally harmless to me, or am I missing something?

Grab, if there isn't much characterisation in the film, isn't this just part of being faithful to the books?


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Subject: RE: BS: Harry Potter
From: Terry K
Date: 13 Nov 01 - 01:55 AM

My only real gripe with the books is that they are not well written for reading quietly either. After all the ballyhoo I really expected better than the monodimensional kid's yarn that the first book turned out to be.

Don't get me wrong, I like kids' yarns. But in Lord of the Rings the writing stands up for itself regardless of the story - as does most of Dahl and certainly the Phantom Tollbooth. So I was just disappointed that there was no literary merit at all. And at risk of becoming unpopular (me - really?) I do think it has been bigged-up by the media in that annoying, pop-culture way that all things seem to be going (reference Hearsay topping the charts with what would normally be considered an average Eurovision entry).

Cheers, Terry


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Subject: RE: BS: Harry Potter
From: CarolC
Date: 13 Nov 01 - 03:01 AM

I would tend to agree that the writing in these books is not really up to the standard of Dahl, Tolkien, or Carroll. However, they do a very good job of capturing the imagination, probably with less effort on the part of the reader.

This is probably their weakness from the perspective of more sophisticated readers. But I'm guessing it's their strength for the less experienced readers who need a compelling introduction into the world of books.

My son didn't take to reading very well when he was younger. I felt that if I could instill in him a love for literature and for reading, which I did by reading to him a lot, he would eventually start reading more on his own. He is now, at the age of 18, an avid reader. And a pretty good writer, too.

I'm guessing that these books serve a similar function for many inexperienced readers. And for those of us who have enjoyed the likes of Dahl, Tolkien, Carroll, etc., and who also like the Harry Potter books, maybe a little light refreshment is a good thing from time to time.


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Subject: RE: BS: Harry Potter
From: hesperis
Date: 13 Nov 01 - 03:04 AM

And wasn't there something about the auther being sued for ripping someone else's ideas off? What happened to that?

hesperiswhohasn'treadharrypotter *breath*
becauseshehasnomoneyforbooksrightnow *breath*
andoweswaytoomuchatthelibraryforher *breath*
toborrowthemeither *big breath*


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Subject: RE: BS: Harry Potter
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 13 Nov 01 - 03:31 AM

Currently available, through FTP sites in the U.S.A. Downloads in less than two hours.

Fun, great effects. Will mean little to those who have not read the book. It will create playground divisions with the Muggles being those who don't already understand it....because they can't/won't read.

Great review Graham!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Harry Potter
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 13 Nov 01 - 11:54 AM

JRR Tolkien suffered from severe ink diarrhea while writing LOTR... It could easily stand to lose probably about 2-300 pages or so and still be just as good a story...


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Subject: RE: BS: Harry Potter
From: Celtic Soul
Date: 13 Nov 01 - 01:02 PM

CarolC, the thing I really find endearing about the "Harry Potter" series is that I can read them to my youngun and not be personally bored to tears. Some of the things that make this series dance alive for us are that the characters are not completely flat and 2 dimensional. Snape, for instance, while not a very likable person, is not "evil". And others of whom *have* been likable turned out to be bad. I also love to find a voice for each one that differs than all the others. My honey and my kid are very disappointed that Robbie Coltrane and Jim Dale (the man who read the books for the US version of the books on tape) "don't do Hagrid right".

Ian is older, but if I recall correctly, he was hooked on the "Redwall" series. Having read one, I found it similar to the "HP" books, and enjoyed reading it...too bad my daughter was not as enthralled (she was already hooked on "HP").

But, can you imagine having to go through the syrup and drivel of "My Little Pony" books and movies? Urgh! I am so grateful for J.K Rowling having produced this generations "Transformers" and "My Little Pony" so that parents everywhere don't have to get dialysis in order to read to their kids.

In that same vein, can anyone suggest other really good kids books that don't bore the tears out of either the kid or the parent? I think we have just about worn out "Charlie and the Chocolate Factory" and "The Great Glass Elevator" in between times of reading the "Harry Potter" books. I have tried things like "Treasure Island" and other classics, but have found they have limited success with the wee one. We're on our 3rd go-round, and are once again reading "The Goblet of Fire" while we wait for the movie to come out! It'd be nice to find others to keep us occupied until the next "HP" book comes out! :D


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Subject: RE: BS: Harry Potter
From: MMario
Date: 13 Nov 01 - 01:26 PM

Have you tried the 'Harper Hall' trilogy? (Dragonsong, Dragon Singer and Dragon Drums) (which if you like them could lead to 'Dragonriders') - also there was a 5 or six book series...oops - I just checked here it is a seven book series - called 'Starbridge' -won a bunch of awards - has a lot of thought provoking stuff without sacrificing a 'good read'

The 'Starbridge' series was what got my niece reading for pleasure when the first book came out.


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Subject: RE: BS: Harry Potter
From: CarolC
Date: 13 Nov 01 - 01:27 PM

I enjoyed reading these stories to Mudcatter, 'indieman' probably more than he enjoyed having them read to him...

Sideways Stories from Wayside School, and Wayside School is Falling Down, by Louis Sachar. I just now saw that there is another by him called, Wayside School Gets A Little Stranger.

During one particularly weird and funny part of one of these books (I think it was the part about the dead rat that was disguised as a student wearing numerous layers of rain gear), I was laughing so uncontrolably I had to stop reading for a while.


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Subject: RE: BS: Harry Potter
From: CarolC
Date: 13 Nov 01 - 01:37 PM

Also, there are quite a few other very good books by Roald Dahl besides Charlie and the Chocolate Factory and The Great Glass Elevator. Definitely worth checking out.


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