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Subject: AMERICAN ATTACKS- - -PART FOUR
From: catspaw49
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 06:07 PM

New pictures but the same tragic end........

PREVIOUS THREAD IS HERE

Spaw


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS- - -PART FOUR
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 06:11 PM

The BBC has just broadcast uncomfirmed reports that Afghanistan is being bombed.


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From: wysiwyg
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 06:16 PM

In the US, the The Learning Channel ("TLC," on cable) is broadcasting BBC news. It is very odd and somehow helpful to see our news being reported from a view outside the US...

~S~


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS- - -PART FOUR
From: Eric the Viking
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 06:16 PM

It is also broadcast on CNN as well. Kabul has explosions.


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS- - -PART FOUR
From: sophocleese
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 06:21 PM

My first thought is "You trigger happy fuckwits!" My second thought is "TRIGGER HAPPY FUCKWITS!!!!!!!!!!!!" My sympathies suddenly veer towards the terorists and I hope next time they get it right and wipe out your fucking president and his stupid shits for advisors.


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS- - -PART FOUR
From: Sorcha
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 06:22 PM

Do we KNOW who is doing the bombing?????? For sure?????


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS- - -PART FOUR
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 06:25 PM

the Pentagon has official stated that the bombing is NOT American retaliation...

It's most likely part of their Internal war


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS- - -PART FOUR
From: sophocleese
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 06:25 PM

However I know that that is mere venting and I don't really hope it. I still think mostly of all the people in NY suffering at this moment.

Do we know who is firing at Kabul? Not for sure but then again we don't know for sure yet who coordinated the attack on America. Surely it would make sense to be very very sure before taking strong action. It would also make a lot of sense to go carefully instead of firing off quickly without a lot of thought. What would attacking Afghanistan accomplish anyway?


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS- - -PART FOUR
From: Dicho (Frank Staplin)
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 06:27 PM

Been watching the videophoning of a bombing or missile attack on an armaments-munitions site in Kabul. Sorcha, an airliner loaded with fuel is much worse than bombs. Burning fuel will pour down shafts and gut the heart of a structure. Heat buildup in lower floors will cause secondary explosions. The two planes were just a short distance out from Logan airport so the fuel load is tremendous. A horrible scenario.


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS- - -PART FOUR
From: jeffp
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 06:28 PM

The Taliban just recently killed (or seriously wounded, depending on who you believe) by suicide bomb a major Rebel figure. This could be retaliaton from his followers.

jeffp


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS- - -PART FOUR
From: Sorcha
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 06:29 PM

I just actually got through to InOBU's number....it was a real busy signal, not a circuits busy, so there is hope.


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS- - -PART FOUR
From: SDShad
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 06:30 PM

BBC America on those digital cable and satellite systems that carry it, has been broadcasting a live BBC news feed, or at least was when I was home for lunch. Didn't know about TLC.

How strange, that this is about the only thing people are talking about today, but from this distance, at least, it still doesn't seem real (or more accurately, seems wholly surreal)--all that seemingly-permanent infrastructure, all those people, just gone. But our friends in New York and DC don't have the luxury of cognitive dissonance, and have all my fervent hopes and prayers.

This is the other shoe I've been dreadfully waiting to drop since the great outbreaks of terrorism in the 70s. What a horrible thing to see that finally happen.

Words fail me.

Chris


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS- - -PART FOUR
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 06:31 PM

Sorcha-we don't know who is bombing, or if it is bombing, they are unconfirmed reports, as Eric said CNN is live from Kabul.


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS- - -PART FOUR
From: SINSULL
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 06:33 PM

We don't know who bombed the World Trade Center. We don't know who is bombing Kabul. Breathe deeply, everyone. So many here are still waiting to hear from family and it doesn't look good. Whatever - we will be fine. Anything less is unacceptable.


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS- - -PART FOUR
From: Susanne (skw)
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 06:35 PM

Heard about it eight hours ago - went to a friend's house to watch the news on TV - saw about five replays of the video of the actual attacks - planes disappearing in the buildings - fire and smoke pouring out - and it still seems totally unreal! How can this happen in a civilized country?
My thoughts are with the thousands of victims, with their relatives and with all of you who are still without news from loved ones. Also, with the American government - may sense and reason prevail in the face of these mindless acts of terrorism! Seed, katlaughing and others have put it better than I could.
One constructive thought, though: Dan Milner was in Germany last weekend, for a shanty festival. I'd planned to go and see him but didn't, after all. But for all I know he may still be stuck in Europe due to the suspension of all flights to the US.


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS- - -PART FOUR
From: sophocleese
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 06:35 PM

Just heard that Bush denies that the Americans are responsible for the explosions in Kabul. Breathing deeply Sinsull, I'm breathing deeply.


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS- - -PART FOUR
From: Amergin
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 06:35 PM

Well....like Seed, my birthday will always be shadowed by this horrific event....How many more birthdays I will have to be shadowed remains to be seen...This morning the tears would not stop....I kept imagining the thoughts of the folks on the plane and what they might have been thinking when they realised they were going to die....the thoughts of the office workers as they saw a plane coming straight for them....the thoughts of those trying to escape as a building collapsed onto their heads....I cannot get this out of my head....

All day my anxiety level was rising...and then I left for work....I stopped by the bank to get some money....after I got my cash...I woke up when a store clerk was asking me if I needed help with anything....I found myself in the aisles of the Fred Meyer's store....

I called work and went home...


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS- - -PART FOUR
From: Cappuccino
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 06:39 PM

It's 23.40 in England, and the one-line heading on tomorrow's Daily Mail newspaper simply reads: Apocalypse.

- Ian B


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS- - -PART FOUR
From: InOBU
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 06:40 PM

NBC news just said US gov. sais they did NOT bomb Afganistan. I hope this is true. All the best Larry


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS- - -PART FOUR
From: Cllr
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 06:45 PM

I just wanted to add my thoughts and prayers to those already posted. Like everyone else I can only offer my heartfelt sympathy to all of you across the pond.

Cllr


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS- - -PART FOUR
From: Cappuccino
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 06:46 PM

Would you believe this, from a news feed just in?

3:05 p.m. Sep. 11, 2001 PDT In the aftermath of the terrorist attacks in New York City, people on Internet auction sites are apparently bidding up the prices of World Trade Center memorabilia, attempting, they say, to find some items with which to remember the buildings now completely destroyed.

Some less savory practices appear to be going on as well, with people attempting to sell disaster-related domain names and debris scavenged from the attack -- but eBay, the largest auction site, seems to be vigilantly combating these practices, taking down the pages as fast as they go up.

On a more noble note, the owner of the domain name worldtradecenter.com has taken down the site, leaving a note to say that the URL will be "donated as memorial or for some other suitable purpose." The webmaster did not respond to inquiries regarding his actions. *

Blimey. - Ian B


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS- - -PART FOUR
From: sophocleese
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 06:51 PM

Nice to hear from you InOBU. How are you and your wife doing?


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS- - -PART FOUR
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 06:53 PM

I was giving a lift this morning to a friend of ours who's a refugee from Afghanistan, with a couple of other members of her family she's taken responsibility for looking after. Not fundamentalists, just good practicing Muslims, who pray and fast and do what they can to help other people, and are grateful for the help they have been given.

None of them know if any of their family back in Afghanistan are alive or dead, still at home or in a camp somewhere.

The Taliban is the reason why they had to escape into exile, and it's been a hard exile for them. The English papers are full of racist crap about refugees which seems aimed at stirring up hate and suspicion against people like them. They've come up against some of it, especially the child who has to go to school.

And now Kabul is getting bombed it seems, and all kinds of fresh horrors can be expected.

I posted this just in case anyone out there starts thinking "serve those raghead in Kabul right." (And thank God/Allah/Yahweh that no one has so far that I've seen.)


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS- - -PART FOUR
From: kendall
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 07:01 PM

There is no way that our government could or would react that swiftly.


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS- - -PART FOUR
From: Rich(bodhránai gan ciall)
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 07:01 PM

Glad to hear you're safe, Larry.

Rich


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS- - -PART FOUR
From: GUEST,skarpi Iceland from home.
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 07:01 PM

Hello all, I don´t know what I can say I am In shock over these news I got and are watching at the tele. I have to tell you that In most church In Iceland we a Preyer time tonight at nine a clock two hour ago for all those people who lost their lives to day and for those who are In pain, and the American people, our thoughts are with you all , there are many candle on table right at this moment,I and my family will prey for you all. All best skarpi Iceland.


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS- - -PART FOUR
From: Biskit
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 07:03 PM

Sophocleese, Your smpathies suddenly veer towards the terrorists??!! You STUPID unfeeling BASTARD! maybe you should go hangout with those COWARDLY BASTARDS, be sure to disagree with them though, at least once, which will probably be enough for the fanatical bastards to blow you up. Effectivly removing you from the gene pool you heartless fuck! -Biskit-!


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS- - -PART FOUR
From: jeffp
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 07:03 PM

The "Northern Alliance", apparently a rebel group, has just taken responsibility for the Kabul attacks. (CNN)

jeffp


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS- - -PART FOUR
From: Gareth
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 07:06 PM

Again - what can we say, sympathy, horror, fear ?? Though I just can not express myself coherently on this aweful subject.

On the technical point. The structure of the towers stood the impact as I suspect they were intended to do. But a major fire, fueled with AvKat or JP4, will burn well above the melting point of steel, and the structural destruction of concrete (Confirmed to me by a civil engineer tonight) Once the rebar and frames start to melt the intergral strength goes..

Once the intergral strength of the building is destroyed the weight of the structure above the fire point will collapse the building, and it will collapse upon it self.

As each floor compacts the forces acting upon the frame and structural points will have a different vector from the design stresses and, as we saw on the films, the tower will settle like a concertina.

I pray, oh I pray, that those who were capable of walking got out in time.

It is a tribute to the engineers and architects that the buildings collapsed vertically rather than horizontally.

The thought of both towers tumbling horizontally onto streets and other buildings does not bare thinking about.

Again, grief, shock, anger - what can you say.

Gareth


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS- - -PART FOUR
From: Rich(bodhránai gan ciall)
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 07:06 PM

That's absolutely fucking disgusting about people on the auction sites using this as a way to make a buck! And we're supposed to be a civilized country!

Rich


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS- - -PART FOUR
From: Gareth
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 07:06 PM

Again - what can we say, sympathy, horror, fear ?? Though I just can not express myself coherently on this aweful subject.

On the technical point. The structure of the towers stood the impact as I suspect they were intended to do. But a major fire, fueled with AvKat or JP4, will burn well above the melting point of steel, and the structural destruction of concrete (Confirmed to me by a civil engineer tonight) Once the rebar and frames start to melt the intergral strength goes..

Once the intergral strength of the building is destroyed the weight of the structure above the fire point will collapse the building, and it will collapse upon it self.

As each floor compacts the forces acting upon the frame and structural points will have a different vector from the design stresses and, as we saw on the films, the tower will settle like a concertina.

I pray, oh I pray, that those who were capable of walking got out in time.

It is a tribute to the engineers and architects that the buildings collapsed vertically rather than horizontally.

The thought of both towers tumbling horizontally onto streets and other buildings does not bare thinking about.

Again, grief, shock, anger - what can you say.

Gareth


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS- - -PART FOUR
From: CamiSu
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 07:13 PM

This took so long to write that a new thread appeared before it posted. So.

'Seed, Amergin, I understand. Today is my husband's (and Wavestar's fater's) 50th birthday. I had no time to plan anything and now I am grateful for that. A party now would just be all wrong.

Also my son was down there just this weekend and thought to go to the towers, as he'd not been in a while...

I just pray for all those involved and hope we do not react wrongly. All these innocents hurt and killed, let us not hurt and kill more innocents. If only this would cause us to forswear all war, but it won't.

I am numb, and I'm afraid. God in whatever name you call him, help us all.

CamiSu


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS- - -PART FOUR
From: MAV
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 07:19 PM

S T R A T F O R

THE GLOBAL INTELLIGENCE COMPANY

http://www.stratfor.com

11 September 2001

Who is the DFLP?

1515 GMT, 010911

The Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine (DFLP) has reportedly claimed responsibility for the attacks on the World Trade Center. This report, fromm a television station in Abu Dhabi, in unconfirmed.

The DFLP was formed in 1969 with an estimated membership of 500. It was originally based in Syria, but the location of its current headquarters are unknown. The DFLP receives financial and military aid from Syria and Libya. It operates in Syria, Lebanon, Israel and the occupied territories. Its leader is Naif Hawatmeh, according to Israeli-based Interdisciplinary Center.

The group was largely dormant from 1988 until this summer, when it claimed responsibility for an Aug. 25 attack against an Israeli military post in the Gaza Strip that left three Israeli soldiers dead. This attack was the first instance of Palestinians successfully using conventional military-style tactics.

Before this year, DFLP operations have always taken place either inside Israel or the West Bank and Gaza. Typical acts include minor bombings and grenade attacks, as well as operations to seize hostages and attempts to negotiate the return of Israeli- held Palestinian prisoners.

The group split from the Palestinian Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP) years ago, but reconciled with the PFLP - and with Palestinian Authority leader Yasser Arafat - in August 1999.

The attacks differ significantly from the DFLP's previous methods of operation. Likewise, the resources and infrastructure necessary for such attacks are far beyond the group's traditional means. Either the DFLP's claims are spurious, or it has joined forces with other groups.

mav out


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS- - -PART FOUR
From: Daystar
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 07:20 PM

What can one saye words mean nothing We send our thought and prays to you all


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS- - -PART FOUR
From: GUEST,guinnesschik
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 07:22 PM

sophocleese: your sympathies suddenly veer toward the terrorists!!!??? unbelievable that you'd condemn me for my patriotism and ignore the dead, injured, and their families here.

i'm speechless.


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS- - -PART FOUR
From: Ebbie
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 07:25 PM

A few minutes ago ABC reported that a flight attendant on one of the doomed aircraft was able to give the seat number assigned to a person who appeared to be one of the hijackers. Could be the first loose end of the thread that could unravel the identity of the enemy.

Ebbie


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS- - -PART FOUR
From: Paul from Hull
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 07:27 PM

MAV,

Apparently that claim has been established to be false, & a lie, I think...


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS- - -PART FOUR
From: GUEST,maire
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 07:28 PM

All afternoon I've been thinking of the words of Julian of Norwich: And if I should do wisely according to this teaching, I should not only be glad for nothing in special, but I should not be greatly distressed for no manner of thing : for ALL shall be well. For the fulness of joy is to behold God in all... I have to believe it.


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS- - -PART FOUR
From: vindelis
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 07:29 PM

My only concern, is that when all this is over, that the Americans GENUINELY 'get their man', - because I would hate an innocent man to go through what this person will endure.


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS- - -PART FOUR
From: Bernard
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 07:30 PM

It's easy to criticise those responsible for security.

Who, in their wildest dreams, could predict such a catastrophe?

After all, these planes were on internal flights, and probably didn't deviate from their normal flight paths until it was too late to react.

It has happened. We can't change that. Blaming anyone other than those sick people who actually carried out the attacks will achieve nothing.

Here in the UK we have had to put up with the actions of mindless terrorists for over thirty years - a small minority of senseless 'religious' fanatics with no regard whatsoever for human life.

I'm watching the news on TV in total disbelief - a Hollywood 'blockbuster' with this as its plot would be dismissed as 'too fantastic' to be believable.

Truth is certainly stranger than fiction...

My thoughts and prayers are with all those affected by this atrocity.


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS- - -PART FOUR
From: MAV
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 07:37 PM

Paul,<

Apparently that claim has been established to be false, & a lie, I think...

The story seems to paint them as "wannabes" but I thought it had to be posted.

mav out


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS- - -PART FOUR
From: SINSULL
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 07:42 PM

About 11AM, one of the radio stations interviewed a man whose daughter worked in the Twin Towers. She had called him when the first plane struck to tell she was OK. Suddenly she screamed and the line went dead. How does a parent live with that? The whole thing reads like a bad Rambo movie.


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS- - -PART FOUR
From: Gloredhel
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 07:45 PM

Now I know what my grandparents meant when they said they remember where they were when they heard about Pearl Harbor. I was on a religious retreat this weekend, and when a guy barged into the kitchen while we were getting breakfast and told us what had happened (no television or radio at the retreat house), we all thought he was some local nutcase. But then we got in the cars to come home and all the radio news confirmed it....

Prayers for those affected, but also, in my Christian compassion, prayers for the mercy of God on those who perpetrated the attack. (There's some Bible verse that says praying for your enemies is like heaping burning coals on their heads, if you prefer that.)


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS- - -PART FOUR
From: Mary in Kentucky
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 07:45 PM

One sigh of relief here...one friend is safe, grounded in the Azores tonight. Still haven't heard from The Pentagon...Am I selfish for thinking of those I know personally?

My son just called from Lexington, KY. They are sending casualties to the hospitals there.


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS- - -PART FOUR
From: MAV
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 07:48 PM

From Salon,

Why did the buildings collapse? According to Gregory Fenves, a professor of Civil Engineering at the University of California at Berkeley, the planes weakened the buildings' structures at key points. Fenves, working on information gleaned from preliminary TV reports, stressed that he was speculating. He said that if the planes had hit the structures higher, they could have merely damaged their tops; if they had hit lower, they would have been up against the enormous weight and resistance of the base of the buildings.

The buildings were architecturally interesting in many ways. Each structure is based on a central steel core, which is surrounded by the outside wall, a 209-foot by 209-foot cube of 18-inch tubular steel columns, set 22 inches apart. The cores and "tube walls" share the enormous physical weight of the structures and protect them against the extraordinary wind forces of buildings that tall. There are trusses that support each floor, but no other columns between the cores and outside walls. Some floors contain nearly 40,000 square feet of open office space.

News reports said the planes were jetliners, a 757 and a 767. The 757 has a 124-foot wingspan, is 155 feet long and can weigh 100 tons. A 767 is bigger, with a 156-foot wingspan and 159-foot length and can weigh a maximum of 200 tons. (A 747 is more than 200 feet long and can weigh 400 tons.) The planes hit the buildings near the 70th or 80th floors. Their impact severely damaged the tube walls, which carried a large proportion of the buildings' weight. CNN footage of the second plane hitting a tower appeared to show that a large part of the jetliner went all the way through the building, suggesting that the interior core was also damaged.

Once a building like a World Trade Center tower loses some of its support, the building in effect goes to work, Fenves said. "The loads are trying to redistribute," he said. "The loads are figuring out how to get back down to the ground." At the same time, he noted, the fires are deforming the physical properties of the support steel.

"It's a very rugged system," he said. "It takes a long time for the collapse mechanism to develop. It's not like kicking the leg out from underneath a chair. The building is 200-foot square and there's a lot of structural system there."

But once the upper floors began to give way, terrible force was set in motion. Each floor of a building that big might weigh 6 million pounds, he said. Once impact is factored in as well, he said, the force becomes irresistible.


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS- - -PART FOUR
From: Paul from Hull
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 07:49 PM

Youre right, Mav... it did, in my opinion too.


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS- - -PART FOUR
From: Paul from Hull
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 07:54 PM

Ooops...THAT was in response tio your previous post to me, of course...


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS- - -PART FOUR
From: MAV
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 08:00 PM

Either that, or the jet fuel fire got the steel structure red hot and it buckled and went down like a house of cards.

You can see the downward progression of each floor falling on the next floor. Boom, boom boom.

All those people on each level!

I wonder if the terrorists realized they would be so successful?

mav out


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS- - -PART FOUR
From: Philibuster
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 08:09 PM

"Grampa, what were you doing when they bombed Pearl Harbor?"

"Dad, where were you when they shot Kennedy?"

"So son, what class were you in when the planes hit?"

Why does every generation have to have something like this? I though mine would end up as the lucky ones...


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS- - -PART FOUR
From: AliUK
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 08:09 PM

The American school here in Recife is closed...the churches are full with people praying for those killed and injured and images of Palestinians dancing and laughing in the streets are on the TV. I have no sympathy for those who harbour and support terrorists, the "Great Satan" has been injured, will he now breathe hellfire. To those of you in the UK, watch your backs because not all muslims are good muslims.


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