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Peter K (Fionn) 14 Sep 01 - 11:30 AM
Whippet 14 Sep 01 - 04:27 AM
Kim C 13 Sep 01 - 05:58 PM
Roughyed 12 Sep 01 - 07:03 PM
GUEST,Omnivore 12 Sep 01 - 01:24 PM
Whippet 12 Sep 01 - 06:12 AM
mooman 12 Sep 01 - 04:39 AM
Whippet 12 Sep 01 - 04:29 AM
Little Hawk 11 Sep 01 - 10:35 PM
CarolC 11 Sep 01 - 07:28 PM
Kim C 11 Sep 01 - 05:11 PM
MMario 11 Sep 01 - 04:59 PM
Dorrie 11 Sep 01 - 04:44 PM
Kim C 11 Sep 01 - 04:19 PM
MMario 11 Sep 01 - 04:11 PM
Kim C 11 Sep 01 - 04:06 PM
lady penelope 11 Sep 01 - 02:58 PM
Kim C 11 Sep 01 - 01:09 PM
GUEST,Lanfranc at the orifice 11 Sep 01 - 04:51 AM
Whippet 11 Sep 01 - 04:42 AM
McGrath of Harlow 10 Sep 01 - 07:17 PM
Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull 10 Sep 01 - 07:08 PM
Mr Red 10 Sep 01 - 06:32 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: Veggies !! Do you think they're prats
From: Peter K (Fionn)
Date: 14 Sep 01 - 11:30 AM

If vegetables do feel pain, that still leaves pme gppd reaspm fpr avoiding meat (personal decision, but I wish it wasn't, and I wish the sanctimonious churches would make more of this): humans don't need meat to be healthy, and the commercial production of meat is massively wasteful of world food resources.

It takes between five and ten times as much grain to produce a specified amount of human nutrition from beef as it would take to get that same nutritional value from the grain itself. Moreover cattle are flatulent enough to be poisoning the world with their farts. They are the second biggest contributor of methane to the greenhouse effect, after aviation emmissions.

If you think this doesn't matter much, remember that most of the malnourished people in the world live in countries that produce more than enough food to feed their poppulations - if it didn't go on fattening cattle for the developed world.


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Subject: RE: BS: Veggies !! Do you think they're prats
From: Whippet
Date: 14 Sep 01 - 04:27 AM

Then we shoot the stork and eat it !!


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Subject: RE: BS: Veggies !! Do you think they're prats
From: Kim C
Date: 13 Sep 01 - 05:58 PM

I know where meat comes from! The stork brings it and puts it in the cabbage patch. Right?


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Subject: RE: BS: Veggies !! Do you think they're prats
From: Roughyed
Date: 12 Sep 01 - 07:03 PM

Couple of things from this thread. I read that a pint of beer contains one third of your daily requirement of vitamin B12. If that's untrue, please don't tell me.

I think some vegetarians (and I've been one for over twenty years) are prats. It is still unusual to be vegetarian in the West and some vegetarians seem more interested in being unusual than they are in being vegetarian. You see the same phenomenon in left-wing politics, cyclist and even, gulp, folkies. Whie the rest of us are trying to say 'Hey this is great, listen to this you'll like it' these people seem to go out of their way to alienate others who do not agree with them.

I take the view that we are all vegetarians - in between meals.


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Subject: RE: BS: Veggies !! Do you think they're prats
From: GUEST,Omnivore
Date: 12 Sep 01 - 01:24 PM

Yes,English John, those of us whose last name is Pratt are fortunate if we live in the US instead of the UK, since most Yanks don't connect our name with our posteriors.

Whippet, can't you use an epithet like "jerks" or "dorks," or some other such, instead of choosing one that is also a not-too-uncommon surname?


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Subject: RE: BS: Veggies !! Do you think they're prats
From: Whippet
Date: 12 Sep 01 - 06:12 AM

Yesterdays outrage is as you say an outrage and cannot be trivialised and I for one wouldn't even think of doing that but as the other threads on that subject have shown there are a lot of angry revengeful folks out there.


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Subject: RE: BS: Veggies !! Do you think they're prats
From: mooman
Date: 12 Sep 01 - 04:39 AM

Whippet,

Havn't you got anything better to do, when there are such horrific things currently going on in the world, to prattle on about vegetarians?

I for one do not care to be spoken of in the same sentence as the probable perpetrators of yesterdays outrages.

mooman


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Subject: RE: BS: Veggies !! Do you think they're prats
From: Whippet
Date: 12 Sep 01 - 04:29 AM

Now us whippets always make a fuss outside the butchers shop, we howl and we crave for the smell of the bones and flesh we never do the same outside the greengrocers funny that


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Subject: RE: BS: Veggies !! Do you think they're prats
From: Little Hawk
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 10:35 PM

Morticia's answer sums it up nicely for me. I also liked Carol's story about the carrot.

For meat and potato people to get snide about vegetarianism is a bit odd, considering the last few decades of medical revelations regarding heart disease and various other common degenerative ailments. I would suggest that meat and potatoes people are just very good at blindly imitating what they have seen others do before them...in other words, they conform. Most of them would not, however, be very happy in the confines of a slaughterhouse. I know of two lifetime meateaters (in their early twenties at the time) who became vegetarians after a few months working in a slaughterhouse. They won't touch meat now. Maybe they know something you don't, Whippet. Have you seen where your meat comes from?

On the other hand, strict vegetarians can also be quite elitist and dogmatic. To say nothing of annoyingly superior.

This shows that you can be a prat quite regardless of your diet...healthful or otherwise.

- LH


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Subject: RE: BS: Veggies !! Do you think they're prats
From: CarolC
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 07:28 PM

I've been a veggie for slightly more than 30 years, but I'm in complete agreement with Kim C. I think some people just need to eat meat.


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Subject: RE: BS: Veggies !! Do you think they're prats
From: Kim C
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 05:11 PM

Well, lookit... I like to eat just about everything. Meat, no meat, makes me no difference. When a veggie friend stayed with me for a week, we ate Gardenburgers and pasta and salads and baked a cake and had a great time.

However... everyone's physiology is different... and if I go without red meat for too long, I must have it or Heads Will Roll. Same with fish. Those things have something my particular earthly body needs, needs that cannot be satisfied with red beans and rice. I know, because I already tried it. :-)

You eat what you like, I'll eat what I like, and if you come to my house for supper, I'll make sure to have something on the table that will suit us all.


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Subject: RE: BS: Veggies !! Do you think they're prats
From: MMario
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 04:59 PM

well - dorrie, sorry - but rabbits don't belong to the same order, let alone family, genus or species as me. To get much further from me biologically they would have to be non-mammalian, plants or bacteria.

And since rabbits are known to sometimes eat their own new-born, and does to kill bucks they have just mated with, they really don't have too much ground to stand on.


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Subject: RE: BS: Veggies !! Do you think they're prats
From: Dorrie
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 04:44 PM

HAve you heard that song by a raddit in a butchers shop window- would u eat your mother oh no, would you eat your sister oh no, would you eat your brtoher oh no then why would you eat mine

dorrie - veggie for 17 years


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Subject: RE: BS: Veggies !! Do you think they're prats
From: Kim C
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 04:19 PM

aha! I did not know that.


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Subject: RE: BS: Veggies !! Do you think they're prats
From: MMario
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 04:11 PM

yeast (if I recall correctly) is about the only exception to B12 being available only from animal sources.


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Subject: RE: BS: Veggies !! Do you think they're prats
From: Kim C
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 04:06 PM

I thought B12 was only available in animal sources, unless you take vitamin supplements. Is Marmite enriched with B12?


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Subject: RE: BS: Veggies !! Do you think they're prats
From: lady penelope
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 02:58 PM

You can get a perfectly good supply of vitamin B12 in your diet if you're a vegetarian - eat marmite! ( But that's another thread )

Or just about any breakfast cereal, as they all seem to add it to them!

And Lanfranc? I gave up worrying about the circles they build into the unhealthiness ( from a medical point of view ) of the food chain, 'cos I'd had have to stop eating, drinking and probably breathing as well!

"We are stardust......."

TTFn M'Lady P.


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Subject: RE: BS: Veggies !! Do you think they're prats
From: Kim C
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 01:09 PM

I am especially fond of potatoes.


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Subject: RE: BS: Veggies !! Do you think they're prats
From: GUEST,Lanfranc at the orifice
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 04:51 AM

Cows normally only eat grass, unfortunately humans fed them on feed derived from other cows.

Vegetables and fruit are fed on chemicals, sprayed with chemicals or, if organic, probably fed with manure provided by animals fed on other animals.

Be afraid - be very afraid!


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Subject: RE: BS: Veggies !! Do you think they're prats
From: Whippet
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 04:42 AM

I've a friend who's a semi-veggie. He only eats animals that eat grass


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Subject: RE: BS: Veggies !! Do you think they're prats
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 10 Sep 01 - 07:17 PM

"I avoid carrots where possible" - that's the sort of line you hear in the street from a passer-by, and you spend the rest of the day making up weird conversations in which it would fit.

Vegetarians are handy to have around, because they ensure that there is tasty stuff to eat when some food scare puts you off eating dead animals.

(And the Bovril's with the Gravy, but the Marmite's with the Jam...)


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Subject: RE: BS: Veggies !! Do you think they're prats
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 10 Sep 01 - 07:08 PM

Vitamin B12 (helps blood cells grow & is important for a heathy nervous system)


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Subject: RE: BS: Veggies !! Do you think they're prats
From: Mr Red
Date: 10 Sep 01 - 06:32 PM

Ah, Whippet whipping up emotion again.
for what it's worth I know some vegetarians who dance morris.
What's the verdict on that combo eh?
anyone mentioned vitamin B12 yet?


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Subject: RE: BS: Veggies !! Do you think they're prats
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 10 Sep 01 - 09:12 AM

I agree


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Subject: RE: BS: Veggies !! Do you think they're prats
From: GUEST,Celtic Soul
Date: 10 Sep 01 - 09:04 AM

You find pushers in any walk of life, hon!

I am a "veggie", and my mate a devout carnivore. I cook meat for him. I don't foist my views off on him, nor him me. In my world view, it is a personal decision, like religion and politics.

However. I went to a party a few years back where I asked the host "does this have meat in it?" A simple enough question, not one intended to do anything beyond give me the info I needed to eat what I desired, and not what I did not.

I got a half hour lecture from a meatatarian about how vegetarianism is pathological.

There are lots of people out there who would like nothing better than to remake the whole world to fit their views, and they are not all Veggies, Christians, or Moslems.


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Subject: RE: BS: Veggies !! Do you think they're prats
From: Paul from Hull
Date: 09 Sep 01 - 07:03 PM

*G*


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Subject: RE: BS: Veggies !! Do you think they're prats
From: Lanfranc
Date: 09 Sep 01 - 06:15 PM

My daughters can't stand Brussel Sprouts, my favoutite vegetable. If I eat celery (hardly worth the effort, anyway), I get a headache. I avoid carrots where possible, and about the only thing I concurred with Ronald Reagan on was the lack of merit of broccoli.

Were I forced to turn vegetarian, I would die of boredom!

I suspect that whippets dyslexia is the problem with this thread. What he meant to say was "Are praties vegetables?", thereby revealing his Irish roots. The answer to which is, "No, they are tubers!"


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Subject: RE: BS: Veggies !! Do you think they're prats
From: CarolC
Date: 09 Sep 01 - 09:19 AM

gnu, I am never dainty and ladylike under any circumstances. ;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Veggies !! Do you think they're prats
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 09 Sep 01 - 09:09 AM

What is she Barbara?


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Subject: RE: BS: Veggies !! Do you think they're prats
From: Shields Folk
Date: 08 Sep 01 - 10:46 AM

How often have the vegetarians out there had meat eaters forcing (not quite litteraly, but close) meat and fish down their throats.

And why can't vegetarians eat "wafer thin ham"


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Subject: Have you nothing else to do? thin
From: Flor
Date: 08 Sep 01 - 10:35 AM

Give us a break!! Are meat-eaters prats? If you're prepared to criticise veggies, then you should go and do your own slaughtering instead of leaving the dirty job to others and being content with smuggly putting down people who have the courage to put their ideas where their mouth is. Enjoy your burgers!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Veggies !! Do you think they're prats
From: lady penelope
Date: 08 Sep 01 - 06:18 AM

" ....and as the crowd moves in for the kill, the vegetables are on the side lines, cheering......"

Oooh, you lot don't arf get worked up at times!

Actually, I've enjoyed this thread and I love the song about the potatoe - does it have a tune?

As for the initial question, I don't really care what people eat, it's up to them. I know several people who don't eat meat because they simply don't like it.

Unfortunately, humans being what they are, you'll always get some one being a fanatic about something and then it does become a pain in the arse.

Now if some one wants to size Whippet up, I'll figure out how much sauce we're going to need and get the barbie going.........

TTFN M'Lady P.


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Subject: RE: BS: Veggies !! Do you think they're prats
From: gnu
Date: 08 Sep 01 - 05:51 AM

LOL CarolC. Can't help wondering if you, daintily and ladylike of course, burped afterward, thereby allowing the carrot to get the last word.

Whipped... I admire "veggies"... all 265# of me.

Was that a Freudian slip ?


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Subject: RE: BS: Veggies !! Do you think they're prats
From: Pelrad
Date: 07 Sep 01 - 08:59 PM

I don't know. If you all were being exposed to the crap they sell under the guise of "children's" material these days, your opinion of the veggies might be a little higher. At least there are clever puns and catchy tunes, and nobody's beating the crap out of anyone else. It's one of the more intelligent video series out on the market at the moment. I'll take them over Barney, Teletubbies, Blues Clues, or Bob The Builder any day.

That said, I admit the "Christian" ideals being shoved down one's throat are a bit revolting. And definitely the Christian musicians I've seen lately are terrible horrible awful! and I have been unable to figure out why entire congregations are making such big deals out of them. Except maybe that New England Baptists, the worst offenders, have no proper sense of fun and therefore no taste in music.

Having a three year-old and a VCR, I've endured many hours of pap. Those Veggies are the top of the pap heap, at least. :-)


I only eat free-range vegetables...


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Subject: RE: BS: Veggies !! Do you think they're prats
From: GUEST,cú chú
Date: 07 Sep 01 - 03:41 PM

I'm a vegetarian and a whippet breeder, so the dogs still need a bit of meat


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Subject: RE: BS: Veggies !! Do you think they're prats
From: Jim Krause
Date: 07 Sep 01 - 03:34 PM

Carol, I had a similar discussion with a spud once. The spud won the argument, whereupon I ate it.

I tried vegetarianism once. Got hungry again in about an hour and a half. Something must have been lacking, like meat.
Jim


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Subject: RE: BS: Veggies !! Do you think they're prats
From: Troll
Date: 07 Sep 01 - 03:32 PM

I am actively ignoring this thread.

troll


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Subject: RE: BS: Veggies !! Do you think they're prats
From: Deni
Date: 07 Sep 01 - 03:17 PM

No.


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Subject: RE: BS: Veggies !! Do you think they're prats
From: Big Tim
Date: 07 Sep 01 - 01:59 PM

Well George Bernard Shaw was a vegetarian and he was a bit of a prat! What about Michaelangelo tho? And what about Hitler? We are what we eat in only one sense. This is a stupid thread.

Big Veggie (and proud of it) Tim


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Subject: RE: BS: Veggies !! Do you think they're prats
From: brid widder
Date: 07 Sep 01 - 01:01 PM

well...whippet strikes again!! do vegatables have feelings?...I don't know whippet maybe you could speak on their behalf...you've done a good job so far.


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Subject: Veggies ??
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 07 Sep 01 - 12:58 PM

I absolutely adore vegetarians... I have 5 or 6 free-range in my life... when the cows run out (or can no longer be eaten) these folks are the first to the chopping block!!!

Mmmmmmm... grain fed....

:-P~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

:-)

If a vegetarian eats vegetables, what does a humanitarian eat?


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Subject: RE: BS: Veggies !! Do you think they're prats
From: Cappuccino
Date: 07 Sep 01 - 12:48 PM

Jon, thank you - I had been wondering about that for years. And Jaque, although I don't entirely agree with you, being both a vegetarian and a Christian musician (and thus twice damned!) I did make the point in another thread recently that there are those who are playing in modern worship bands purely because they can't get an audience anywhere else...

Who was it who wrote 'carrots scream as they are pulled from the ground?' Oh bugger, I suppose that means I can't eat vegetables either, now.

Didn't Bobby Bare & Shel Silverstein write a song proving that * everything * we eat or drink is harmful?

All the best - Ian B


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Subject: RE: BS: Veggies !! Do you think they're prats
From: GUEST,JohnB
Date: 07 Sep 01 - 12:46 PM

Veggies !! Do you think they're prats, no I do not think that vegetables are prats, you on the other hand. Oh no it's deja vu all over again, last time I called you a wanker. It's funny how how you seem to qualify my opinion of you the more you post Whippet. Do you have any opinions on "Music" that you could share ? JohnB


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Subject: RE: BS: Veggies !! Do you think they're prats
From: English Jon
Date: 07 Sep 01 - 10:59 AM

Prat is old English for arse, as in hindquarters. Hence "pratfall" - to land on your gluteus maximus.

EJ


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Subject: The prats speak!
From: Deda
Date: 07 Sep 01 - 10:49 AM

I admire my veggie friends. I think it takes a lot of discipline and intelligence to resist that carniverous "dominant paradigm". I probably eat veggie meals 2/3ds of the time, and very rarely eat red meat. I clipped these lovely Paxton lyrics from another thread yesterday -- don't remember which.

Don't Slay That Potato by Tom Paxton

How can you do it? It's heartless, it's cruel. It's murder, cold-blooded, it's gross. To slay a poor vegetable just for your stew Or to serve with some cheese sauce on toast. Have you no decency? Have you no shame? Have you no conscience, you cad, To rip that poor vegetable out of the earth Away from its poor mom and dad?

CHORUS: Oh, no, don't slay that potato! Let us be merciful, please. Don't boil it or fry it, don't even freeze-dry it. Don't slice it or flake it. For God's sake, don't bake it! Don't shed the poor blood Of this poor helpless spud. That's the worst kind of thing you could do. Oh, no, don't slay that potato What never done nothing to you!

Why not try picking on something your size Instead of some carrot or bean? The peas are all trembling there in their pod Just because you're so vicious and mean. How would you like to be grabbed by your hair And ruthlessly yanked from your bed And have done to you God knows what horrible things, To be eaten with full-fiber bread?

(Chorus)

It's no bed of roses, this vegetable life. You're basically stuck in the mud. You don't get around much. You don't see the sights When you're a carrot or celery or spud. You're helpless when somebody's flea-bitten dog Takes a notion to pause for relief. Then somebody picks you and cleans you and eats you And causes you nothing but grief.

(Chorus)

There ought to be some way of saving our skins. They ought to be passing a law. Just show anybody a cute little lamb And they'll all stand around and go "Aw!" Well, potatoes are ugly. Potatoes are plain. We're wrinkled and lumpy to boot. But give me a break, kid. Do you mean to say That you'll eat us because we're not cute?


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Subject: RE: BS: Veggies !! Do you think they're prats
From: LR Mole
Date: 07 Sep 01 - 10:41 AM

CarolC, we're rooting for you. Stand by,tuber section.


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Subject: RE: BS: Veggies !! Do you think they're prats
From: Whippet
Date: 07 Sep 01 - 10:36 AM

Maybe vegatables have feelings too


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Subject: RE: BS: Veggies !! Do you think they're prats
From: Skipjack K8
Date: 07 Sep 01 - 10:36 AM

Dealing With Flamers


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Subject: RE: BS: Veggies !! Do you think they're prats
From: Bill D
Date: 07 Sep 01 - 10:19 AM

isn't 'prat' a UK colloquialism meaning fool or 'dork'(USA colloquilaism)? By yer language shall ye be identified.

and in my day, 'veggies' refered to vegetables, not 'vegetarians'... cutesy shorthand references may have gotten out of hand.


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Subject: RE: BS: Veggies !! Do you think they're prats
From: sophocleese
Date: 07 Sep 01 - 09:51 AM

Uncle Jacque, most of your views of things are not the same as mine but on this point we are in total agreement. Veggie Tales are sickly, saccharine and yucky. They should have been turned into compost years ago.


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