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GUEST 13 Aug 01 - 07:13 PM
Ralphie 13 Aug 01 - 07:16 PM
Banjer 13 Aug 01 - 07:23 PM
Ralphie 13 Aug 01 - 07:24 PM
Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull 13 Aug 01 - 07:24 PM
Clinton Hammond 13 Aug 01 - 07:27 PM
Ralphie 13 Aug 01 - 07:27 PM
katlaughing 13 Aug 01 - 07:30 PM
Ralphie 13 Aug 01 - 07:32 PM
Snuffy 13 Aug 01 - 07:33 PM
catspaw49 13 Aug 01 - 07:35 PM
Ralphie 13 Aug 01 - 07:36 PM
mousethief 13 Aug 01 - 07:36 PM
GUEST,guest,jack 13 Aug 01 - 07:38 PM
Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull 13 Aug 01 - 07:39 PM
mousethief 13 Aug 01 - 07:43 PM
Ralphie 13 Aug 01 - 07:49 PM
Goody2Shz 13 Aug 01 - 07:56 PM
Ralphie 13 Aug 01 - 08:00 PM
Jon Freeman 13 Aug 01 - 08:00 PM
Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull 13 Aug 01 - 08:01 PM
mousethief 13 Aug 01 - 08:03 PM
Snuffy 13 Aug 01 - 08:03 PM
Gareth 13 Aug 01 - 08:06 PM
Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull 13 Aug 01 - 08:08 PM
Jeri 13 Aug 01 - 08:14 PM
Firecat 13 Aug 01 - 08:15 PM
McGrath of Harlow 13 Aug 01 - 08:19 PM
CarolC 13 Aug 01 - 08:21 PM
mousethief 13 Aug 01 - 08:23 PM
GUEST 13 Aug 01 - 08:42 PM
GUEST 13 Aug 01 - 08:53 PM
SINSULL 13 Aug 01 - 08:55 PM
DougR 13 Aug 01 - 08:56 PM
Firecat 13 Aug 01 - 08:58 PM
Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull 13 Aug 01 - 09:15 PM
Goody2Shz 13 Aug 01 - 09:29 PM
GUEST 13 Aug 01 - 10:14 PM
Goody2Shz 13 Aug 01 - 10:49 PM
McGrath of Harlow 14 Aug 01 - 05:45 AM
Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull 14 Aug 01 - 05:55 AM
sophocleese 14 Aug 01 - 09:38 AM
GUEST 14 Aug 01 - 09:40 AM
GUEST,guest,jack 14 Aug 01 - 10:07 AM
GUEST,Toledo 14 Aug 01 - 10:23 AM
Ringer 14 Aug 01 - 10:27 AM
GUEST 14 Aug 01 - 10:45 AM
GUEST 14 Aug 01 - 10:53 AM
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Subject: File anonymous guest complaints here
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Aug 01 - 07:13 PM

And keep them out of other discussions please.


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Subject: RE: File anonymous guest complaints here
From: Ralphie
Date: 13 Aug 01 - 07:16 PM

Why should I talk to someone who doesn't exist?
Ralphie


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Subject: RE: File anonymous guest complaints here
From: Banjer
Date: 13 Aug 01 - 07:23 PM

Anything I have to say I will say using my registered name and will NOT hide like so many other cowards behind a cloak of anonimity!!


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Subject: RE: File anonymous guest complaints here
From: Ralphie
Date: 13 Aug 01 - 07:24 PM

Banjer...Well said
Cheers Ralphie


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Subject: RE: File anonymous guest complaints here
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 13 Aug 01 - 07:24 PM

I agree.


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Subject: File this!
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 13 Aug 01 - 07:27 PM

Pardon me... I got nothin' to say!

-George Carlin-

;-)


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Subject: RE: File anonymous guest complaints here
From: Ralphie
Date: 13 Aug 01 - 07:27 PM

Hi John
Bit late for you. Isn't it ?
Just want to out-groove our little insignificant " GUEST" friend Regards R xx


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Subject: RE: File anonymous guest complaints here
From: katlaughing
Date: 13 Aug 01 - 07:30 PM

Oh c'mon you guys, we can use this as the Litter Box and bytch all we want to about those who choose to remain unknown.**BG**

You know, we can stratch like we're digging a hole to China, squat and, oops, sorry gotta watch out below, then quick bury it with another scritch, scratch, scritch.

I'll bet the litter is even the flushable type, too!


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Subject: RE: File anonymous guest complaints here
From: Ralphie
Date: 13 Aug 01 - 07:32 PM

George.....
If you've got nothing to say then....Out with it lad....Get it off your chest, we really want to know what you haven't got to say !! Ralphie


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Subject: RE: File anonymous guest complaints here
From: Snuffy
Date: 13 Aug 01 - 07:33 PM

I think there should be more anonymous guests, but we only seem to get one!

Or do we?


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Subject: RE: File anonymous guest complaints here
From: catspaw49
Date: 13 Aug 01 - 07:35 PM

Ya' got it right Snuffy!

Spaw


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Subject: RE: File anonymous guest complaints here
From: Ralphie
Date: 13 Aug 01 - 07:36 PM

Kat....Off to me bed now.... Just couldn't resist winding up our eponymous "GUEST" once again. Rest assured I have a huge smile on my face. I must have become a member of "THE DYSFUNCTIONAL BRIGADE" without realising it !! Sleep well...Love R xxx


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Subject: RE: File anonymous guest complaints here
From: mousethief
Date: 13 Aug 01 - 07:36 PM

They said my Aunt Myrtle had an Anonymous Guest one night, and that's how we got Cousin Shem.

Alex


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Subject: RE: File anonymous guest complaints here
From: GUEST,guest,jack
Date: 13 Aug 01 - 07:38 PM

If it really bothers you members, why don't you exclude guests from posting anything-- I really don't understand your problem with it(posting as a guest)after all, Ralphie, or banjer or katlaughing isn't any of your real names.You know just as much about me when I post as guestjack as I know about you.


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Subject: RE: File anonymous guest complaints here
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 13 Aug 01 - 07:39 PM

Hey guys, can I join this inner clique? PLEASE !!!


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Subject: RE: File anonymous guest complaints here
From: mousethief
Date: 13 Aug 01 - 07:43 PM

Okay, John, but don't tell everybody.

Alex


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Subject: RE: File anonymous guest complaints here
From: Ralphie
Date: 13 Aug 01 - 07:49 PM

Hi Guest Jack
Just to fill you in, if you're new to this madness called Mudcat
My real name is Ralph Jordan. Have lived in London all my life . and have been a contributee to this site for the last few months. Ralphie is a stupid family moniker going back 40 odd years. The whole point of this silly thread is to burst the balloon of very odd people who prefer to remain anonymous, and try to wind everyone else up. My way of dealing with such people is (and it's deadfully childish, I know) RIDICULE.!!!
A lot of people get really riled by such threads. (and, there have been quite a few recently).
Have a look at various other threads on the same subject, and all will become clear. Best Wishes Ralphie


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Subject: RE: File anonymous guest complaints here
From: Goody2Shz
Date: 13 Aug 01 - 07:56 PM

I'd like to be a guest...but, I never get invited anywhere.


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Subject: RE: File anonymous guest complaints here
From: Ralphie
Date: 13 Aug 01 - 08:00 PM

Another thought.....Guest Jack.
If you became a member, you could send me a private message, all this stuff could be done on a one-to-one basis. And, nobody else would ever know !!!! R xx


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Subject: RE: File anonymous guest complaints here
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 13 Aug 01 - 08:00 PM

Wow GUEST, you have really started something here. Intresting to see how many posters would remind us of the click on what you read, ignore what you don't arguements..

John in Hull. I was talking to a well known Mudcatter a couple of weeks ago and he talked about a chat with someone even more famous than him in Mudcat. Let's call them A and B respectively.

A: There is a clique in Mudcat
B: No there isn't
A: Yes there is but anyone can join
B: Well yes, I agree...

I'd guess this sums up much of my feeling: There is a clique which is open to anyone who agrees with their viewpoints regarding the Mudcat forum. I do on some but I can't remain true to myself and agree on others.

Jon


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Subject: RE: File anonymous guest complaints here
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 13 Aug 01 - 08:01 PM

Wow thanks Alex, I promise I won't tell anybogy!


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Subject: RE: File anonymous guest complaints here
From: mousethief
Date: 13 Aug 01 - 08:03 PM

A "clique" is what people who can't make friends call circles of friends.

alex


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Subject: RE: File anonymous guest complaints here
From: Snuffy
Date: 13 Aug 01 - 08:03 PM

We have no problem with handles instead of real names, but the point blank refusal to even use a fictitious handle pisses a lot of people off.

If you're invited into the home of someone whose culture is that you remove you shoes before entering, you may find this custom ridiculous or even offensive. A civilised person has two alternatives:

a) politely comply with the custom in the interest of harmonious relations, or

b) politely decline to enter.

But you could also say "I find your customs totally ridiculous,and have intention of complying with them, but I will still enter your house with my shoes on, and I'll make sure they've got lots of mud on them just to show you how much I despise you"

That really helps to spread love and understanding.


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Subject: RE: File anonymous guest complaints here
From: Gareth
Date: 13 Aug 01 - 08:06 PM

guests (anon)

To prick thier pomposity, or is it the pomposity of pricks ???

Gareth


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Subject: RE: File anonymous guest complaints here
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 13 Aug 01 - 08:08 PM

Well said Snuffy.


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Subject: RE: File anonymous guest complaints here
From: Jeri
Date: 13 Aug 01 - 08:14 PM

I'm part of whatever clique believes this shit is stupid because discussions about what 'should be' have nothing to do with what 'is,' and people just get pissed off and use them as an excuse to feel superior and insult other people.

Maybe we ought to start a forum somewhere to do nothing but discuss Mudcat, because all the healing threads in that ever were haven't come close to the volume and the redundant, pointless "you're stupid" sort of nastiness that occurs in these. Over and over and fucking OVER again.


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Subject: RE: File anonymous guest complaints here
From: Firecat
Date: 13 Aug 01 - 08:15 PM

I think that GUESTs are just shy! I know if I'm gonna say something stupid, or pointles, or whatever, I wouldn't want people to know who I am. Sure the only time I've posted as a GUEST was when I was in Berlin, but the only reason I did was so I could PROVE that I was there and not just making it up!

Then again, they could all be undercover spies, working to discover the unusual species known as the Mudcat!


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Subject: RE: File anonymous guest complaints here
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 13 Aug 01 - 08:19 PM

The interesting thing is that being anonymous can be a way of being modest, self abnegation. "Don't look at me, listen to my message."

But in this context it's the reverse - "Don't bother to listen to what I'm saying, look at me."

In the Mudcat we are all as anonymous as we wish to be, but there's something different about being anonymous in an exhibitionist way, backing into the limelight.

I think talking about it as "cowardly" and so forth is off the point. Cowardice and bravery don't come into it. There's nothing brave about using an identifying name, your own name, or a nickname your are known by, or a made up pseudonym. And there's nothing cowardly about refusing to use one. Even if you want to say nasty things to other people, so what. Honestly, no matter what anyone in California says about me, I'm not going to hare across and break their door down. Or even if you lived a bit closer, next-door for example.

No the real thing is that, in this context, refusing to use even a temporary identifying name in a thread that allows people to debate in the reasonable confidence that they are dealing with one person rather than a random bunch of hecklers, is a breach of fellowship. It comes across as intentional discourtesy, and an attempt to generate discourses and bad feelings among others.

Maybe there is some other kind of rationale or motive, other than exhibitionism on the one hand, and a wish to cause bad feelings on the other. But I find it hard to imagine it.

But one thing I agree with - it's much better to keep this sort of meandering out of discussion thread about more significant things. (Though the preservation of a pattern of friendly discourse and good feelings between us here is a significant enough thing, and so is anything that undermines it. It's unfortunate if by discussing it we seem to reward it.)

"My name is legion."


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Subject: RE: File anonymous guest complaints here
From: CarolC
Date: 13 Aug 01 - 08:21 PM

If you're invited into the home of someone whose culture is that you remove you shoes before entering, you may find this custom ridiculous or even offensive. A civilised person has two alternatives:

a) politely comply with the custom in the interest of harmonious relations, or

b) politely decline to enter.

--Snuffy

Good point Snuffy. But the question is, who determines what the culture of this place will be? Max has created this site, and his creation includes the possibility of there being anonymous guests. So... are you going to gracefully comply, or are you going to decline to enter?


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Subject: RE: File anonymous guest complaints here
From: mousethief
Date: 13 Aug 01 - 08:23 PM

who determines what the culture of this place will be?

The clique, of course!

What I want to know is, is mudcat commonplace, or are we all a bunch of dysfunctionals? Or is a website full of dysfunctionals commonplace? I'm soooo confused.

Alex


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Subject: RE: File anonymous guest complaints here
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Aug 01 - 08:42 PM

is a breach of fellowship. It comes across as intentional discourtesy, and an attempt to generate discourses and bad feelings among others.

Mr. McGrath, I have never looked at posting anonymously as a breach of fellowship. I see your point.


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Subject: RE: File anonymous guest complaints here
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Aug 01 - 08:53 PM

I, the anonymous guest who started this thread at 7:13 p.m., have counted 25 hits within an hour.

Just like shootin' fish in a barrel.

Keep up the good work Mudcatters. We need to hear more of this sort of thing from you.


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Subject: RE: File anonymous guest complaints here
From: SINSULL
Date: 13 Aug 01 - 08:55 PM

How sad, Goody2Shz. My father says that I will always be welcome to visit anywhere twice...the second time to apologize for the first.

GUEST,
I have no problem with people preferring to post as GUEST. I do have a problem with you telling what I cannot post to another discussion. If a GUEST is viciously and anonymously flaming, I reserve the right to comment on the spot. For the record, I try not to, in an effort to avoid feeding the flames.


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Subject: RE: File anonymous guest complaints here
From: DougR
Date: 13 Aug 01 - 08:56 PM

Firecat: perhaps the way to handle pointless or stupid postings is to try not to do them. But if you do, always sign them: Firecat! :>)

I just take postings where a name or chosen name is used more more seriously myself than I do one posted by GUEST, unless it is clearly a first-time post. Particularly if is a subject that calls for personal opinion.

DougR


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Subject: RE: File anonymous guest complaints here
From: Firecat
Date: 13 Aug 01 - 08:58 PM

Thanks a lot, Doug!! I'm not THAT stupid!!!!!!!


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Subject: RE: File anonymous guest complaints here
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 13 Aug 01 - 09:15 PM

I think people should put a name, if they dont want to put a name why dont they put a number? It would make it easy to see if it was the same guest or not,plus if they say something interesting you could trace their posts by click on their name and see what else they said.john


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Subject: RE: File anonymous guest complaints here
From: Goody2Shz
Date: 13 Aug 01 - 09:29 PM

Sinsull -- Don't be sad for me. I'm actually pretty well liked, have a skewed and sometimes dark sense of humor. I am frequently invited back to where I've been before.

I was just trying to be a bit humorous.

I don't know what the big deal is (too new to the forum, and not part of the inner circle), and thought I would post a quip.

By the way...not being part of the inner circle is okay, too. Circles have a way of growing and encompassing those who wish to join.

I have found over the years that being able to say what you really think is easier for some if it is masked behind being anonymous. Me? I say what I think (kindly, I hope) and don't want my thoughts or messages to be lost because it is not known that Goody is losing her Shz again. You may not pay attention if you think I am hiding.

Dear Guests...don't get me wrong. You all do what you need to do in regards to being anonymous, and I respect that. We all have our reasons. Being individual is not a sin or crime....um...unless, of course, you maim or murder someone!


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Subject: RE: File anonymous guest complaints here
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Aug 01 - 10:14 PM

I had no idea Mudcatters felt this way. I just wish I understood better what the reasons were behind this. Do keep sharing, as I think the healing is really beginning.


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Subject: RE: File anonymous guest complaints here
From: Goody2Shz
Date: 13 Aug 01 - 10:49 PM

I just got a very nice personal note from Sinsull. Something that would not have occurred had I posted as a guest.

Thanks for considering me and my feelings.


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Subject: RE: File anonymous guest complaints here
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 14 Aug 01 - 05:45 AM

Now the anonymous GUEST who posted at 8.42 and the one at 8.53 came across to me as possibly two different people. But maybe not, which is the rreeason I am critical of the practice of "GUEST only" posting.

If I wanted to respond to the one at 8.42 I'd know I was dealing with someone who had said they took my point, and the discussion could move on. I wouldn't feel it necessary to make the same point again. But that wouldn't apply to 8.53, if it's someone else.


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Subject: RE: File anonymous guest complaints here
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 14 Aug 01 - 05:55 AM

Maybe Guest can't spell his name!


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Subject: RE: File anonymous guest complaints here
From: sophocleese
Date: 14 Aug 01 - 09:38 AM

I find the olfactory abilities of some members of Mudcat a little peculiar. They say that they can sniff out a flaming member on the basis of style in maybe five words but they cannot smell the difference between two or more anonymous guests with far longer posts.

McGrath just as with an audience of strangers to you and your music, if you perform you might interest some of them but not necessarily all of them, if you don't perform none of them will know what you can do.


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Subject: RE: File anonymous guest complaints here
From: GUEST
Date: 14 Aug 01 - 09:40 AM

So McGrath, am I the same guest or not(its about 9.45am)


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Subject: RE: File anonymous guest complaints here
From: GUEST,guest,jack
Date: 14 Aug 01 - 10:07 AM

8:42 and 8:53 are different posts-the 8:42 post was made by me Mr. McGrath-- i'm sorry I didn't include guest,jack I was agreeing with you , and I apoplgize for leaving my name off.jack


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Subject: RE: File anonymous guest complaints here
From: GUEST,Toledo
Date: 14 Aug 01 - 10:23 AM

I believe the guest who started the thread has made a valuable point, which has been illustrated by the members who have responded in this thread.


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Subject: RE: File anonymous guest complaints here
From: Ringer
Date: 14 Aug 01 - 10:27 AM

Proverbs 17 v28.


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Subject: RE: File anonymous guest complaints here
From: GUEST
Date: 14 Aug 01 - 10:45 AM

Ah, the soul of man enters and meets Mudcat.

Have you carefully entered the courtyard Bald Eagle?

Will your share the minor prophecies with us, or are you invoking the voices of previous prophets here, hmmm?


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Subject: RE: File anonymous guest complaints here
From: GUEST
Date: 14 Aug 01 - 10:53 AM

Sophocleese,

This is just a short note to express gratitude to you for the astute and poignant observations you posted in Celtic Soul's thread a few days ago, Posting as merely Guest.

Upon revisiting that thread, I see that at least one other appreciated your impartial and tolerant attitudes. Virtue may be its own reward, but here's hoping that a humble "Thank you" communicates some small modicum of appreciation you deserve for your efforts in that thread.


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Subject: RE: File anonymous guest complaints here
From: GeorgeH
Date: 14 Aug 01 - 11:00 AM

As I have said several times . .

There are those people who make completely appropriate use of the "Guest" facilities . .

And there are those who misuse them, either from ignorance or lazyness . .

While at the bottom of the heap there are those who abuse them by seeking to provoke "trouble at the 'cat" (possibly not deliberately at the outset.

Personally I've no wish to see those in categories (1) and (2) penalised on account of the anti-social bastards that fall into category 3!

Freedom can always be abused and we simply have to accept that there are those who are all too happy to abuse the freedoms which Mudcat allows.

George


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Subject: RE: File anonymous guest complaints here
From: GUEST
Date: 14 Aug 01 - 11:24 AM

As a guest who appreciates both Sophocleese's and some other anonymous guests contributions here of late, I'd like to say thank you to all as well.


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