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SPAM: it's amazing how it's really works!!

GUEST,Patrick Mercier 09 Jul 01 - 03:52 PM
mousethief 09 Jul 01 - 03:53 PM
UB Ed 09 Jul 01 - 03:56 PM
MMario 09 Jul 01 - 03:56 PM
gnu 09 Jul 01 - 03:59 PM
mousethief 09 Jul 01 - 03:59 PM
Chanteyranger 09 Jul 01 - 03:59 PM
gnu 09 Jul 01 - 03:59 PM
Clinton Hammond 09 Jul 01 - 04:00 PM
mousethief 09 Jul 01 - 04:02 PM
gnu 09 Jul 01 - 04:24 PM
Clinton Hammond 09 Jul 01 - 04:28 PM
mousethief 09 Jul 01 - 04:30 PM
Bill D 09 Jul 01 - 04:35 PM
paddymac 09 Jul 01 - 07:18 PM
Sourdough 09 Jul 01 - 07:24 PM
Joe Offer 09 Jul 01 - 08:10 PM
Ebbie 09 Jul 01 - 11:34 PM
kendall 10 Jul 01 - 06:28 AM
GUEST,Nick P. 10 Jul 01 - 07:02 AM
Big Mick 10 Jul 01 - 06:01 PM
Jeri 10 Jul 01 - 06:49 PM
Clinton Hammond 11 Jul 01 - 11:38 AM
LR Mole 12 Jul 01 - 10:25 AM
mousethief 12 Jul 01 - 11:57 AM
MMario 12 Jul 01 - 12:04 PM
Little Hawk 12 Jul 01 - 02:06 PM
Joe Offer 12 Jul 01 - 06:15 PM
Bill D 12 Jul 01 - 07:13 PM
Margo 13 Jul 01 - 01:04 AM
Big Mick 13 Jul 01 - 11:17 AM
Clinton Hammond 13 Jul 01 - 01:23 PM
mousethief 13 Jul 01 - 01:24 PM
Sourdough 14 Jul 01 - 03:27 AM
Angie 14 Jul 01 - 04:28 AM
Lanfranc 14 Jul 01 - 11:09 AM
GUEST,leeneia 14 Jul 01 - 11:21 AM
Amos 14 Jul 01 - 11:43 AM
Greg F. 14 Jul 01 - 11:43 AM
Rich(bodhránai gan ciall) 14 Jul 01 - 08:48 PM
Little Hawk 14 Jul 01 - 09:06 PM
Jim Dixon 14 Jul 01 - 10:51 PM
Mark Cohen 15 Jul 01 - 01:59 AM
Kara 15 Jul 01 - 05:54 AM
GUEST,leeneia 15 Jul 01 - 06:05 PM
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Subject: Spam deleted
From: GUEST,Patrick Mercier
Date: 09 Jul 01 - 03:52 PM

This message contained SPAM totally unrelated to music.

Do not SPAM this site!!!

Jeff (a.k.a. Pene Azul)


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Subject: RE: it's amazing how it's really works!!
From: mousethief
Date: 09 Jul 01 - 03:53 PM

Spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam
Lovely spam! Wonderful spam!
SHUT UP! LOUSY VIKINGS!


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Subject: RE: it's amazing how it's really works!!
From: UB Ed
Date: 09 Jul 01 - 03:56 PM

Alex, you send me a dollar and I'll send you a dollar...


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Subject: RE: it's amazing how it's really works!!
From: MMario
Date: 09 Jul 01 - 03:56 PM

"***REMEMBER THE MORE NEWS GROUPS YOU POST IN, THE MORE MONEY YOU WILL MAKE!!! BUT YOU HAVE TO POST A MINIMUM OF 200*** "

this phrase right here tells you that it's a crock.


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Subject: RE: it's amazing how it's really works!!
From: gnu
Date: 09 Jul 01 - 03:59 PM

Both of you send me a dollar and I'll send each of you two dollars.... Cdn. You first.


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Subject: RE: it's amazing how it's really works!!
From: mousethief
Date: 09 Jul 01 - 03:59 PM

You know, UB_Ed, you just might have something there.

Mmario, who needs specific evidence? Just the circumstances tell us it's a crock.

Alex


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Subject: RE: it's amazing how it's really works!!
From: Chanteyranger
Date: 09 Jul 01 - 03:59 PM

Hey, Mousethief, I'll have spam, spam, spam, spam, eggs and spam!

-chanteyranger


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Subject: RE: it's amazing how it's really works!!
From: gnu
Date: 09 Jul 01 - 03:59 PM

Don't forget the SASE.


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Subject: RE: it's amazing how it's really works!!
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 09 Jul 01 - 04:00 PM

This is EXACTILY the kind of crap that an unmoderated MB attracts and should be DELETED outright!!


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Subject: RE: it's amazing how it's really works!!
From: mousethief
Date: 09 Jul 01 - 04:02 PM

Oh Clinton give it a rest!

I'm sorry, Chantyranger. Eggs are off.

Alex


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Subject: RE: it's amazing how it's really works!!
From: gnu
Date: 09 Jul 01 - 04:24 PM

Shite Clinton ! I know it's a waste of cyberspace, but jeepers ! Who pissed in your cornflakes ? Did you PM Max or one of the other lads to alert them so they could zap this crap without delay ?


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Subject: RE: it's amazing how it's really works!!
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 09 Jul 01 - 04:28 PM

The sense that I've always had is that Max et all refuse to delete spam, claiming that it's censorship...


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Subject: RE: it's amazing how it's really works!!
From: mousethief
Date: 09 Jul 01 - 04:30 PM

Yes and all your bellyaching so far has done exactly what to change this policy?


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Subject: RE: it's amazing how it's really works!!
From: Bill D
Date: 09 Jul 01 - 04:35 PM

200 newsgroups? Gullible's Travels


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Subject: RE: it's amazing how it's really works!!
From: paddymac
Date: 09 Jul 01 - 07:18 PM

Send me $4.99, plus $7.95* S&H, and I'll happily send you an honest-to-goodness can a spam, or a reasonable facsimile thereof.

$39.95 S&H if shipped to address outside CONUS


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Subject: RE: it's amazing how it's really works!!
From: Sourdough
Date: 09 Jul 01 - 07:24 PM

Well, CLinton, how do you feel about a moderator on this site?

Oh, really? In that case, don't keep it a secret. :-)

Sourdough


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Subject: Please don't respond to Spam or Flames
From: Joe Offer
Date: 09 Jul 01 - 08:10 PM

The policy is that we DO delete Spam, and we DO delete messages that are threatening. Pene and I are the only volunteers who are allowed to delete messages for other than technical reasons. Max and his employees also will occasionally delete an offensive message. However, we usually feel obligated to refrain from deleting the responses posted by Mudcatters who respond to Spam and flaming. Once a Mudcatter has responded to Spam or flaming, it becomes difficult to justify deleting the original message. You will notice that there have been several useless threads this week, started by unnamed guests. These threads have generated all sorts of useless responses from our "regulars." I'm sorely disappointed that many of those who have responded are people that I call friends. As long as people respond to flames, the flames will continue. I ask you all to follow the established regimen and not respond to Spam or flames.
Thank you.
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: it's amazing how it's really works!!
From: Ebbie
Date: 09 Jul 01 - 11:34 PM

Didja know that Hawaii and Alaska eat the most spam in the country? (Not in the city.) U.S., that is. Can't imagine why, other than in the early days meat that was canned so it wouldn't spoil was the only kind of 'domestic' meat available.

But- have you tried it since you were grown?? Slimy, spineless stuff. Not that I mind it, particularly.

Ebbie


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Subject: RE: it's amazing how it's really works!!
From: kendall
Date: 10 Jul 01 - 06:28 AM

The more you stir a turd, the more it stinks.


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Subject: RE: it's amazing how it's really works!!
From: GUEST,Nick P.
Date: 10 Jul 01 - 07:02 AM

These seem to be terms I'm not familiar with.To me ' SPAM is chopped pork luncheon meat & flames, the manifestation of light, emmitted from the heat produced by burning material. Perhaps someone could enlighten me?


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Subject: RE: it's amazing how it's really works!!
From: Big Mick
Date: 10 Jul 01 - 06:01 PM

Yep, Joe. I believe I am the author of that policy way back. And it is valid now. Ignore. And that includes Nick P. Anyone smart enough to post knows what spam is so don't do fifteen detailed explanations. Probably the same person. If not, I aplogize.

And Clinton......do you ever quit?? Ain't gwine happen, my friend.

Mick


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Subject: RE: it's amazing how it's really works!!
From: Jeri
Date: 10 Jul 01 - 06:49 PM

Definition of spam --
From www.netlingo.com


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Subject: RE: it's amazing how it's really works!!
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 11 Jul 01 - 11:38 AM

Mick et al...

I can hope that one day this place will get it's head out of it's arse...

Joe... that's one of the DUMBEST things I've ever heard... "Once a Mudcatter has responded to Spam or flaming, it becomes difficult to justify deleting the original message." What a load of idiocy...

I really ahve a tough time understanding the aversion to moderation here... every other MB on the net has moderators... Mudcat should be no different...

Ahh well... you wanna put up with spam and crap... go right ahead... you better keep hoping that real spammers and hackers never take an interest in this place, or it'll get so flooded so fast you won't even hear it coming...

that's not a threat, it's a warning...

;-)


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Subject: RE: it's amazing how it's really works!!
From: LR Mole
Date: 12 Jul 01 - 10:25 AM

Well, it's not got much Spam in it...


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Subject: RE: it's amazing how it's really works!!
From: mousethief
Date: 12 Jul 01 - 11:57 AM

I don't want ANY spam.


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Subject: RE: it's amazing how it's really works!!
From: MMario
Date: 12 Jul 01 - 12:04 PM

Actually Clinton - since this is a web forum, not a message board - it wouldn't be worth a spammers while to come here. They would have to post each message individually. - way too much trouble for them.


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Subject: RE: it's amazing how it's really works!!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 12 Jul 01 - 02:06 PM

"I would gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today..."

- J. Wellington Wimpy


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Subject: RE: it's amazing how it's really works!!
From: Joe Offer
Date: 12 Jul 01 - 06:15 PM

Clinton, thank you for your remarks. Whether you agree or not, there is serious, intelligent thinking that goes behind the decisions we make. We try very hard to have a free, civil, friendly tone of discussion here. We want people to feel that they can say what they think, without worrying about whether their comments will be deemed unacceptable and deleted. It may be a novel concept, but we expect Mudcatters to act like adults, without us having to control them.
If somebody posts a Spam or flame message and 123 Mudcatters reply to it before I get a chance to delete it, all of those 123 replies make no sense without the message they're responding to. Therefore, I usually leave it up, and I probably tend to disagree with Pene's decision to delete this one at the beginning of this thread.
We delete messages very sparingly because we like the idea of free, uncensored discussion. One major reason we delete messages is to avoid 100-message flame wars. If the hundred messages have already been posted, what's the use of deleting the first one.
The primary reason for our "aversion to moderation" is that we like to have freedom of expression here. A secondary reason is that we don't want to be babysitters. If we let it be known that we're in the censorship business, my mailbox will be flooded with requests for deleting this offensive message or another, or protests against our deletion of something. So, the policy is that we delete messages only when we absolutely have to. We ask all Mudcatters to help us combat Spam and flaming by refusing to respond to Spam and flames.
Thanks.
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: it's amazing how it's really works!!
From: Bill D
Date: 12 Jul 01 - 07:13 PM

oh, JOE!...there you go, making sense again! What kind of example is that!...*wink*


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Subject: RE: it's amazing how it's really works!!
From: Margo
Date: 13 Jul 01 - 01:04 AM

Damn, there was no BS prefix so I thought this was going to be about music. I have noticed those anonymous threads that are about nothing that grow into a long thread about nothing. Hey guys, wouldn't it be great if we all noticed one like that and quick posted to other threads and ran it off the bottom without a post to it? Ach, but what if they gave a war and nobody came? I guess it ain't gonna happen... too bad. Margo, in whom hope springs eternal


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Subject: RE: it's amazing how it's really works!!
From: Big Mick
Date: 13 Jul 01 - 11:17 AM

In fact, Joe, that is usually why someone would want a moderated forum. I am in the business of dealing with motives. Those that scream for a moderator usually do so because something doesn't fit with THEIR view of what it should be. They can't deal with real intellectual freedom because it challenges the neat little box that their world exists in. I have long maintained that their is only one thing that is important here in our little village. And that is that we respect the place. But that we do it without changing its essential flavor. Mudcat has never been a music site and with any luck it never will be. One of its components is the music site and that is the Digital Tradition. In my view, Mudcat is a community of folks who are joined by their love of music. It is around that love of music we came together. Now that we are here, we discuss many topics, have squabbles, have lovefests, create/lose friendships, get together for music, fight over issues of the day..........in other words we exist in our community. It must work, because we get new members every day. The beauty of this place is that we get the input on this stuff from many countries, many cultures, and from every personality type. It's amazing how it really works.

Mick


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Subject: RE: it's amazing how it's really works!!
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 13 Jul 01 - 01:23 PM

MMario a web forum and a message board are the same thing...

JoeO... so if someone spamms and 123 mudcatter jusmp in and play, where's the harm in deleting the whole thread??? You really think mudcatters would be ticked that their garbage posts in a spam thread got cleaned up??? For instance this thread... you certainly wouldn't hurt ME deleting it...

so big mick... there you go, thinking inside your "neat little respect box"... so much for freedom eh...
;-)


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Subject: RE: it's amazing how it's really works!!
From: mousethief
Date: 13 Jul 01 - 01:24 PM

These are the threads where we hash out our beliefs about anonymous posting, spam, censorship, etc. Deleting it would be a grave disservice to the many who have posted their opinions here, even including that old misanthrope Clinton Hammond.

Alex


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Subject: RE: SPAM: it's amazing how it's really works!!
From: Sourdough
Date: 14 Jul 01 - 03:27 AM

Sometimes people say things so well that there is no point adding to it except to tell them that you have heard and understood.

Mousethief and Big Mick - well said.

Sourdough


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Subject: RE: SPAM: it's amazing how it's really works!!
From: Angie
Date: 14 Jul 01 - 04:28 AM

Big Mick - spot on mate.

I am a big fan of censorship. Self-censorship, I read what I like and (hopefully) skip what I won't. Also, I tend not to post downright abusive personal attacks. Self-control.

In this Mudcat microcosm the options seem endless, it's fab. it's how it should be. There's good and bad in everyone.

We all have a choice.

Mal


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Subject: RE: SPAM: it's amazing how it's really works!!
From: Lanfranc
Date: 14 Jul 01 - 11:09 AM

Perhaps we should rename ourselves the "Society for the Preservation of Ancient Music" or the "Federation of Lunatic Amateur Musicians Everywhere Resident" - just think of the publicity we could get for free!


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Subject: RE: SPAM: it's amazing how it's really works!!
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 14 Jul 01 - 11:21 AM

Two thoughts here:

1. It would be good to have a Permathread on the topics of spam, trolling and flaming so as to help people who are new to the Net wise up. For example, I just learned about trolling from the current thread on "posting someone's IP." But I still don't know what an IP is.

2. BUSY DAY BARBECUE

Wash the slime off a can of Spam. Cut it into 3/4 inch cubes. Brown a little onion in hot oil, then add the Spam cubes and brown them. Add bottled barbecue sauce. Serve over rice.

We like to serve this with a 1995 LaFitte-de Gaulle Merlot Noir. Be sure to open it early and let it breathe.


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Subject: RE: SPAM: it's amazing how it's really works!!
From: Amos
Date: 14 Jul 01 - 11:43 AM

Leen, you are a crackup!!

Mick's wisdom rules as long as we can let it. Likewise the wisdom of Joe. Clinton is a Federalist, and look where that got us! Seriously, Clinton, I think hat your dire warnings may be overstated, but they may not, and if it evolves that the Mudcat becomes a repository for too much Spam to the point where it cannot work well, that adjustments will be made accordingly. Until the, making nothing out of people by deleting communications they created -- regardless of your opinion of the communications -- is a disservice and against the guiding spirit of the place, IMHO.

A


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Subject: RE: SPAM: it's amazing how it's really works!!
From: Greg F.
Date: 14 Jul 01 - 11:43 AM

Ok, let's broaden the topic to other potted meats: what's the general opinion of deviled ham? or 'Vienna' sausages?

Best, Greg


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Subject: RE: SPAM: it's amazing how it's really works!!
From: Rich(bodhránai gan ciall)
Date: 14 Jul 01 - 08:48 PM

The fact that some of the threads of late are still going is proof that it does. Joe Offer has hit the nail on the head. And the worse part is, a lot of folks who generally let these threads die, have been playing into them.

Rich


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Subject: RE: SPAM: it's amazing how it's really works!!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 14 Jul 01 - 09:06 PM

To address the original title of this thread: "it's" neither works nor doesn't work. "it's" simply is. It's a very zen-like sort of thing, a contraction.

Threads you do not read can't hurt you.

- LH


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Subject: RE: SPAM: it's amazing how it's really works!!
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 14 Jul 01 - 10:51 PM

We're Knights of the Round Table.
We dance whene'er we're able . . .
We dine well here in Camelot.
We eat ham and jam and Spam a lot.

(Click to hear the .wav file.)


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Subject: RE: SPAM: it's amazing how it's really works!!
From: Mark Cohen
Date: 15 Jul 01 - 01:59 AM

leeneia, you wouldn't happen to be from Hawaii, would you? That sounds like a treasured recipe handed down through the generations, along with Uncle Kawika's Secret Da Kine Poke!

Aloha,
Mark


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Subject: RE: SPAM: it's amazing how it's really works!!
From: Kara
Date: 15 Jul 01 - 05:54 AM

No censorship please I think we are all big enough to chose what we respond to, and a bit of spam may be just what you need after a hard night on the Guinesse..

This is not an advert for drink aor anything.


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Subject: RE: SPAM: it's amazing how it's really works!!
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 15 Jul 01 - 06:05 PM

No, Mark, the recipe for Busy Day Barbecue originated in America's Dairyland. Speaking of which...

There was a young woman from MD
Who thought her home state was a FD.
But tum tum tee tum.
tum tum tum tee tum.
For WI, not MD is DD.


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Subject: RE: SPAM: it's amazing how it's really works!!
From: catspaw49
Date: 15 Jul 01 - 08:41 PM

Hey Clinton!!! If this joint were moderated, you and I would be the first two assholes thrown out the door!!! And I hate to say it, but I'd miss you........well, at least a little anyway............LOL......

Spaw (:<))


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