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GUEST,Gordon 13 Jun 01 - 12:56 AM
Blackcatter 13 Jun 01 - 01:42 AM
wysiwyg 13 Jun 01 - 03:12 AM
catspaw49 13 Jun 01 - 03:51 AM
paddymac 13 Jun 01 - 08:09 AM
kendall 13 Jun 01 - 08:25 AM
MMario 13 Jun 01 - 08:25 AM
SINSULL 13 Jun 01 - 08:31 AM
bigchuck 13 Jun 01 - 08:48 AM
Mark Clark 13 Jun 01 - 09:42 AM
LR Mole 13 Jun 01 - 09:48 AM
catspaw49 13 Jun 01 - 10:00 AM
Midchuck 13 Jun 01 - 10:05 AM
Hollowfox 13 Jun 01 - 10:54 AM
Justa Picker 13 Jun 01 - 11:07 AM
Bluegrass Girl 13 Jun 01 - 11:32 AM
kendall 13 Jun 01 - 11:34 AM
Rick Fielding 13 Jun 01 - 11:38 AM
mousethief 13 Jun 01 - 01:19 PM
catspaw49 13 Jun 01 - 01:39 PM
Caitrin 13 Jun 01 - 01:47 PM
kendall 13 Jun 01 - 03:00 PM
Justa Picker 13 Jun 01 - 03:31 PM
JedMarum 13 Jun 01 - 04:11 PM
dwditty 13 Jun 01 - 04:39 PM
GUEST,mkebenn@work 13 Jun 01 - 05:35 PM
kendall 13 Jun 01 - 05:54 PM
kendall 13 Jun 01 - 05:57 PM
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Bluegrass Girl 13 Jun 01 - 07:20 PM
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kendall 13 Jun 01 - 07:30 PM
catspaw49 13 Jun 01 - 07:36 PM
Justa Picker 13 Jun 01 - 07:38 PM
GUEST,Steve N. 13 Jun 01 - 07:57 PM
Jon Freeman 13 Jun 01 - 08:04 PM
Justa Picker 13 Jun 01 - 08:15 PM
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bigchuck 13 Jun 01 - 09:20 PM
kendall 13 Jun 01 - 09:21 PM
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Subject: Blunt unabashed opinion
From: GUEST,Gordon
Date: 13 Jun 01 - 12:56 AM

I know I ain't a expert like many of youse, but here goes:

Martin still makes VERY good instruments, but has not kept pace with the standards now being set by Taylor for a large production manufacturer. And smaller makers like Santa Cruz, Goodall and Collings (I'm sure there are others) are also making guitars clearly superior to Martins.

End of Rant Gordon


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Subject: RE: Blunt unabashed opinion
From: Blackcatter
Date: 13 Jun 01 - 01:42 AM

Shocking!

an opinion on guitar makers!

Be careful - it is quite unusual to have anyone express an opinion on anything around here.

Watch out - Mousethief will get you!


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Subject: RE: Blunt unabashed opinion
From: wysiwyg
Date: 13 Jun 01 - 03:12 AM

:-)


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Subject: RE: Blunt unabashed opinion
From: catspaw49
Date: 13 Jun 01 - 03:51 AM

I know I AM an expert UN-like many of youse, so here goes:

Linda Lovelace still gives very good Blowjobs, but has not kept pace with the standards now being set by Monica Lewinsky for a large production fellaterer. And smaller hat blowers like "42nd Street Fiona and Tina the Tuber(I'm sure there are others) are also giving Blowjobs clearly superior to Linda Lovelace.

End of Deep Throating.....or.....Blow Me.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: Blunt unabashed opinion
From: paddymac
Date: 13 Jun 01 - 08:09 AM

'Spaw - have trouble sleeping last night? :>)


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Subject: RE: Blunt unabashed opinion
From: kendall
Date: 13 Jun 01 - 08:25 AM

Guest Gordon is obviously a man of superior taste and knowledge.


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Subject: RE: Blunt unabashed opinion
From: MMario
Date: 13 Jun 01 - 08:25 AM

so much for "oral rehabilitation!" ;)


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Subject: RE: Blunt unabashed opinion
From: SINSULL
Date: 13 Jun 01 - 08:31 AM

Gordon - we apologize for Spaw. He's on meds. He's also like that all the time. I bought a Martin recently and love it. So screw you. That goes for you too Kendall. If Taylors are so good how come they fall apart on UPS trucks?
SINS
Gordon, there a number of threads on guitars, guitar preferences, and curmudgeonly observations. Put "guitars" in the search box and have fun.


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Subject: RE: Blunt unabashed opinion
From: bigchuck
Date: 13 Jun 01 - 08:48 AM

Even though I just bought a new Martin that I love, I must agree with Gordon. I work at a store that deals in both Martins and Taylors, and I have to say that the work I am seeing coming from the Martin factory lately is not inspiring. Too much production and too many models. I just called Taylor to order two unscheduled guitars for customers and will probably get them within a month; Martin is waaay behind on scheduled orders (the last HD-28 we ordered took 13 MONTHS to get to us) and the factory is no longer doing repairs. That plus the fact that we pretty much have to sell them at 40% off list in order to compete with places like Elderly have caused us to wonder if the line is worth keeping. They are coasting on their name to a degree I would not have believed a few years ago.
Sandy (donning my flame proof undies)


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Subject: RE: Blunt unabashed opinion
From: Mark Clark
Date: 13 Jun 01 - 09:42 AM

Okay but if your 30+ year old Martin needed attention, would you send/take it to Nazareth?

      - Mark


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Subject: RE: Blunt unabashed opinion
From: LR Mole
Date: 13 Jun 01 - 09:48 AM

I'd have to be feelin' 'bout half-past dead.


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Subject: RE: Blunt unabashed opinion
From: catspaw49
Date: 13 Jun 01 - 10:00 AM

Yeah........Woke up in the middle of the night and this thread just cracked me up! Gordon, I just got a kick out of your "Unabashed opinion." In truth, you have a point and if you'll go back and check past threads, you'll find you have a lot of agreement and a lot of disagreement around here as it's hardly a new subject!

Bottom line seems to be that Martin is pretty much mid-pack of the group you mention (including the "others") and though not as good as they were through the fifties, far superior to what they were in the seventies. Repair service gets very mixed reviews too.

And why is my asswipe comparison gone? I'd have killed the blowjob one and left the Charmin thing.........

Spaw


It went because of a blunder on my part spaw - I only read the first bit and thought they were duplicates. As luck would have it, I have been able to salvage it and have posted below. Sorry about that - Jon Freeman
Subject: RE: Blunt unabashed opinion
From: catspaw49
Date: 13-Jun-01 - 03:33 AM

I know I AM an expert UN-like many of youse, so here goes:

Charmin still makes very good ASSWIPES, but has not kept pace with the standards now being set by Scott for a large production manufacturer. And smaller makers like Northern and Coronet (I'm sure there are others) are also making ASSWIPES clearly superior to Charmin.

End of Asswiping.....or, Who gives a shit?

Spaw


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Subject: RE: Blunt unabashed opinion
From: Midchuck
Date: 13 Jun 01 - 10:05 AM

I have one Taylor, one Collings, and two Martins in the "active rotation."

I find myself playing the Collings more of the time than any of the others. I play the Martin OM-21 the second most, because it's the most comfortable to play in terms of size and shape, and sounds better miked because there's less "boom" in the bass. I have set the Martin D-18VMS aside for playing in DADGAD, pretty much exclusively, since I've had the Collings. It seems happy that way. The Taylor is being so badly neglected that it may have to go on the market. And it's a fine instrument. It just doesn't have a real niche anymore.

Collings rules, though. There's no comparision. Maybe Santa Cruz or some of the private luthiers could compete, but I haven't had a chance to try them out. Collings rules.

Now: Who's got a Collings 000-2H 12-fret that they want to sell real cheap?

Peter.


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Subject: RE: Blunt unabashed opinion
From: Hollowfox
Date: 13 Jun 01 - 10:54 AM

Ah, the memories of the late 1960's. I was in Stutzman's guitar shop in Rochester NY, hearing how Martin was beginning to run into troubles because the post WWII demands on the guitar market led Martin to shorten their 20 year aging time for wood, and how this would catch up with them sooner or later. I'm told Mr. Stutzman was one of Martin's select customers, but if he received a guitar that wasn't up to his standards, he'd send it back to Nazareth, even then. There's no way I can verify any of this, I was just a college freshman buying my first guitar and listening to the shop talk.


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Subject: RE: Blunt unabashed opinion
From: Justa Picker
Date: 13 Jun 01 - 11:07 AM

I wouldn't buy a brand new Martin ever again, unless it was an upper end custom (where more care is taken.) For brand new and impeccable workmanship, nothing beats a Collings.


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Subject: RE: Blunt unabashed opinion
From: Bluegrass Girl
Date: 13 Jun 01 - 11:32 AM

Afraid I'd get thrown off the stage at a REAL Bluegrass festival if I didn't play one of my 3 OUTSTANDING, WONDERFUL MARTIN GUITARS.

Besides, when it comes time for the Estate to settle, I'll be glad the list says "Martin Guitar", rather than just "guitar" which it would undoubtedly say if I had one of the off brands formerly mentioned.

If it ain't a Martin, it ain't a guitar!

How's that for an unabashed opinion!????!!!!


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Subject: RE: Blunt unabashed opinion
From: kendall
Date: 13 Jun 01 - 11:34 AM

Sinsull, it did not come apart. Some ape dropped it. I've never played a Collings, but, if can beat the one Santa Cruz I played, I want one. That Santa Cruz Coca bola is the most kick ass guitar I have ever seen.


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Subject: RE: Blunt unabashed opinion
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 13 Jun 01 - 11:38 AM

Dear guest Gordon. Perhaps you're not a regular visitor to Mudcat....and consequently you're now in shock! Please let me explain.....

Catspaw is NOT an actual human, but a brilliantly conceived computer virus. We suspect that three 11 year olds in Japan are actually programming "him".

Kendall actually is real. But he's a comedian from Maine, and we accept that.

By the way, if I could also give my blunt unabashed opinion. The "Cheapie" Martins are tremendous value. Like JustaPucker I also wouldn't by a new one. In fact, I wouldn't buy ANY new guitar. Too much fun rootin' around to find old instruments.

Rick


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Subject: RE: Blunt unabashed opinion
From: mousethief
Date: 13 Jun 01 - 01:19 PM

Blackcat, if you have a problem with me, please talk to me via PM or email. Otherwise why insult me in a brand-new thread? I don't believe I've ever done so to you.

Alex


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Subject: RE: Blunt unabashed opinion
From: catspaw49
Date: 13 Jun 01 - 01:39 PM

Thanks Jon!!! I know I'm always in bad taste so I was amazed that if someone wanted to kill off one of those posts that they either didn't take them both or would have left the less offensive Charmin thing.

Indeed Gordon, I am a computer virus, but in your case, I meantt no harm, just enjoyed your style and being the middle of night, well.................Fortunately, I got sleepy again, because my mind was playing with about a dozen other posts giving further "unabashed opinions" on equally worthwhile subjects.

BTW, additionally to my previous posting regarding Martin and to tie in with Rick's comments, Acoustic guitar tested/compared all the "big name cheapies" and agree with Rick that in the entry level market, Martin won hands down. Second was Larrivee. Everyone else finished third......all pretty decent but not the equal of Martin (or Larrivee).

While you have been reading this, my nastier viral/worm properties have erased all the information on your hard drive and has sent an autographed picture of Neil Young's ass to everyone on your e-mail list.

Spaw.exe


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Subject: RE: Blunt unabashed opinion
From: Caitrin
Date: 13 Jun 01 - 01:47 PM

Lately, (in my very un-expert opinion) I like Guild best. Dad and I went out guitar shopping this past fall prepared to buy a Martin, and none of them sounded nearly as good as the cheaper Guild we ended up buying.

I still haven't found anything I like as well as my dad's '75 Alvarez, though.


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Subject: RE: Blunt unabashed opinion
From: kendall
Date: 13 Jun 01 - 03:00 PM

Bluegrass Girl, you have a good point there. As far as monetary value goes, nothing comes up equal with most Martins. However, I gave a Gibson J-45 away, and I sold my Martin HD-28 when I got the Taylor. Money schmunny, I prefer sound quality to value. You are probably too young to remember the PACKARD automobile? For many years they were the leading production car in the USA, but, time got tough and they put less money into keeping up with Cadillac, clearly an inferior car to Packard. They coasted on their name for a few years, but, eventually, people wised up and realized that Packard had slipped. Cadillac built a better car, and Packard went under. No company can live off it's reputation for long if they produce inferior goods. Now, I played a new Martin recently, and, if it is any indication of what they are doing now, and not a freak, then they have felt the other guitar makers nipping at their heels, and, thay have gone back to building good guitars. If you are more interested in money than sound, and straight necks, then by all means, keep your Martin.

I do wish you could see all those hard core Martin owners/ Bluegrass pickers who come around asking to play my Taylor. I dont say a word, dont have to.


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Subject: RE: Blunt unabashed opinion
From: Justa Picker
Date: 13 Jun 01 - 03:31 PM

I guess it really depends on the type of music and style of playing on a guitar Kendall. While I respect the workmanship and playability of Taylors, I have always found their sound "thin" and "tinny".

Tone-wise, nothing can touch a good, seasoned Martin...but then again I'm a little biased. :-)


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Subject: RE: Blunt unabashed opinion
From: JedMarum
Date: 13 Jun 01 - 04:11 PM

great thread here ... even with Spaw's off the wall analogies! I'm a guitar store junkie. I go to my favorite local shops at least once a week, and play all their guitars. I keep an eye on the models, and the new makers (anyone tried the Legends? A Larrivee spin-off Luthier). I don't own a Martin, at the moment ('cept my worn out Backpacker) but there are several I'd give my left leg to have. I love their 000s - but I own a beautiful Santa Cruz that I believe is better then the new comparable Martins 000's. I love a couple of Martin top of the line guitars. I've played a few of these $8K plus models; they play and sound absolutely amazing! I've played some of the entry level price models and agree with Rick, these are great values, and are fine instruments. I like Larrivees best, again maybe that's 'cause I own one. My main guitar is a Larrivee J10 - it plays like a dream, has a superb pick-up, and has the best balanced, deep sound I've heard in a guitar - AND it's pretty, or it was until I played it hard for two/three years - it's startiung to show some wear.

I like the Taylors. I have played a few absolute gems by Taylor. I believe they make the best guitars that engineering produces today. I only seen/heard one Collings, and I wasn't impressed, but I know their rep is so good that there must be something to it.

The finest guitar I've played, though - was a custom model made for Todd Halliwell by Lowden. It was a large dred, with a wide neck, and just a magnificent sound. Of course, Todd can play it beautifully too (he's a National Fingerstyle champion).


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Subject: RE: Blunt unabashed opinion
From: dwditty
Date: 13 Jun 01 - 04:39 PM

I've owned (past tense) both Martin (HD-28, 1917 0-18K) and a Taylor. While perfectly good guitars, I don't think I could tell the difference between new ones in a blind taste test. My line up is:

Gallagher '71 Special I use for flatpicking. Now I know for certain that I ain't Doc Watson.

Collings 000-2H (1995) - The finest guitar I've ever owned. Love the size, love the feel, love the sound. No picks allowed. Sorry, Peter, she ain't for sale.

Santa Cruze Model H 12 string - Koa top, back, and sides - oh ain't she pretty. Rings like a bell. "Small body 12 string?" you say? Yup. Real sweet.
'71 Guild F-50R - Big, boomy. Wasn't playing it much, so I high strung her (put on the 6 sympathetic strings from a 12 string set). She shimmies, now. Peter, try it out on the Taylor before you sell it - it may be the "missing link."

dw


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Subject: RE: Blunt unabashed opinion
From: GUEST,mkebenn@work
Date: 13 Jun 01 - 05:35 PM

Hollowfox, I bought my D-35 from mr. Stutzman in 1971. He was an artist and a patient man with an awe struck 21yr old. He made sure I tried many instruments and was sure what I wanted. The jerk in my local music shop told me "These are for buyin', not for playin'" when I asked him to try one. two weeks later I stopped in to show him my new guitar...heh heh heh..Mike


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Subject: RE: Blunt unabashed opinion
From: kendall
Date: 13 Jun 01 - 05:54 PM

Justa Picker, I find it hard to believe you are talking about the dreadnaught model Taylor. Mine is anything but tinny and it can hold its own with all but the very best Martin (the 5k and up) I paid under $900.00 for it, used.


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Subject: RE: Blunt unabashed opinion
From: kendall
Date: 13 Jun 01 - 05:57 PM

Justa Picker, I find it hard to believe you are talking about the dreadnaught model Taylor. Mine is anything but tinny and it can hold its own with all but the very best Martin (the 5k and up) I paid under $900.00 for it, used. I have a problem with those old school Martin fans who say "If it aint a Martin, it aint Bluegrass." Blind brand loyalty has never been one of my failures. If it cant cut the mustard, I dont care what it says on the peg head.


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Subject: RE: Blunt unabashed opinion
From: catspaw49
Date: 13 Jun 01 - 06:26 PM

Gawd, I love these threads.......They're all the same!!! I have been around here a good while and I think that many newer members enjoy chiming in as they should!! It's what makes the place so good! So, indulge me a bit here when I say that with the exception of our newer members, I could write these damn threads and none of you need to participate. Let's see here.........and remember, this is just a joke and I love you all!

DW's sensible post was fine, but mentioning that 12 string will bring out Kendall to say that the only 12 to have is an Appolonnio and the Guild's are OK, but Nick's are best. Then JP can continue his fight for the vintage Martin market while Rick can tell us of some tremendous values he has found at Dirty Dick's Pawn Shop. Peter can extoll the virtues of that Collings he lucked into, and I'll get into a tale or two of blind comparisons or something. And where the hell is Clinton to push Seagull and their lack of "thick, shiny, sound deadening varnish." Then we can link a few sites and..............

Gawd, I love this place!

Spaw


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Subject: RE: Blunt unabashed opinion
From: Bluegrass Girl
Date: 13 Jun 01 - 07:20 PM

Kendall, not only do I remember Packards, I remember being too poor to own one -- or any car, for that matter. In my lifetime I've seen the beginning of TV, common air travel, etc. -- and yes, I walked two miles to school in deep snow.

I would like to clarify a bit -- the Martins made in the late 70's and to some degree into the 80's fell a bit short -- but they really came back in the 90's. My 000-16 is probably the most fun, small, female, good balanced tone like a Taylor.

My D-42 is like a woman in a black dress -- really pretty with all that abalone everywhere (without being as gaudy as the 45's). Real good on stage - comes across real true.

The most recent acquisition is an HD28-LSV with an Adirondak spruce top. Wow! Fabulous right out of the gate. I feel Martin is no longer resting on reputation; it's back to making high quality instruments and I'm sure glad I own them.

When finger picking or going back to my folk roots, however, I have the most fun with my 1974 hand made brazilian classical.

Peace!


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Subject: RE: Blunt unabashed opinion
From: Justa Picker
Date: 13 Jun 01 - 07:25 PM

Tell you what Kendall.
If we should ever meet, I'll bring one of my Martin dreddies with me I'll fingerpick the same tune on both mine and yours. If yours sounds as good as you say, to my ears, I'll concede the point to you. Fair enough?


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Subject: RE: Blunt unabashed opinion
From: kendall
Date: 13 Jun 01 - 07:30 PM

Spaw, thanks for volunteering, now the rest of us can find somwething else to do! Bluegrass Girl, Ok, lets call it a draw. (The invincible knight in Monty Python and the holy grail)


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Subject: RE: Blunt unabashed opinion
From: catspaw49
Date: 13 Jun 01 - 07:36 PM

Say JP....Why not make a recording of each and putting them out as a blind test? (See, I get my shot at the blind test stuff while JP gets to defend Vintage Martins.....Don't worry folks, Kendall will be around for the Taylor)

We could all listen and then vote.........Only you and Kendall will know which is which. The recording quality will be the same for both so we can throw that out.

Now where's Rick to volunteer to throw in some pawn shop ringer into the blind test? And where is Clinton? I may have to write a post for him re: Seagull.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: Blunt unabashed opinion
From: Justa Picker
Date: 13 Jun 01 - 07:38 PM

Sounds like an excellent idea 'Spaw. At such time that I have the privlege of meeting Kendall and he is agreeable to your idea, we can do just that!


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Subject: RE: Blunt unabashed opinion
From: GUEST,Steve N.
Date: 13 Jun 01 - 07:57 PM

You all need to take a fresh listen to Norman Blake singing "Thank You Mr. Martin (the D-18 Song)".....it says it all. Forget the new ones....go get an old one....there's no comparison.


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Subject: RE: Blunt unabashed opinion
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 13 Jun 01 - 08:04 PM

So how about some of the UK Guitars? e.g., spaw, I think you met Ian and Bill and I would guess one or other would have had a Docherty with them. How do these things compare... I could be wrong but I always have the feeling guitar talk gets a little parochial.

Jon


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Subject: RE: Blunt unabashed opinion
From: Justa Picker
Date: 13 Jun 01 - 08:15 PM

Great sounding guitars are ultimately in the ear of the player and that of the listener. I have heard guitars that sounded lousy to me live, but wonderful in the recording studio and vice versa.

So much has to do with the caliber of the player and what he/she is able to "coax" out of the instrument. You take any "3 chord charlie" and strum it whether on an expensive instrument or an inexpensive model, you're likely not going to notice a lot of sonic difference. You take the same guitars and intricately fingerpick or flatpick them, and then you start releasing some serious tone characteristics, and to a discriminating ear, this is where tone differences are revealed. (We've sort of covered this in previous discussions here.) It comes down to something that inspires or speaks to you when you play it. Certain Martins speak to me, like no other guitars. That's my taste and my preference. You put a Collings, Taylor, Gibson, Lowden, Guild, Bourgeois, Breedlove, Froggy Bottom, (and every other manufacturuer's instrument in front of me) and if it speaks to me when I play it, I'll have to buy it. I have had this experience only with certain Martins and one particular Collings. I eventually sold the Collings and replaced it with an old Martin that spoke more "fluently".


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Subject: RE: Blunt unabashed opinion
From: catspaw49
Date: 13 Jun 01 - 08:52 PM

.......that spoke more "fluently"...........Now I do love that line!

Jon, you have good point and I suppose it's because there are not many from the other side of the pond that play these threads regularly. Indeed, the Boys were Docherty eqipped and they were simply beautiful instruments!

Mooman chimes in here with solid info on Lakewood and the Oz contingent sometimes posts, but it does get a bit "parochial" and it shouldn't. Then again, maybe y'all KNOW just how good the Docherty's are and nothing more needs said.(:<))

Spaw


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Subject: RE: Blunt unabashed opinion
From: bigchuck
Date: 13 Jun 01 - 09:20 PM

Mark, if my 30 year old Martin needed attention, I'd want to send it back to Nazareth, but I can't, cause they won't take it any more. Dealers have been advised that all warranty repairs are to be referred to a Martin authorized repairman, cause they no longer do repairs at the factory. At least one of the local authorized repair men is a guy I wouldn't trust with a $100 plywood Johnson. He recently put a new neck on a customer's D-3R and left out the truss rod.
Sandy


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Subject: RE: Blunt unabashed opinion
From: kendall
Date: 13 Jun 01 - 09:21 PM

All I know is, the Taylor has made me a better picker. What we have here is a difference of opinion, and, one is no more valuable than the other. (except mine) ROTF


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Subject: RE: Blunt unabashed opinion
From: catspaw49
Date: 13 Jun 01 - 09:23 PM

(as predicted)

......But WHERE is Clinton?

Spaw


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Subject: RE: Blunt unabashed opinion
From: Justa Picker
Date: 13 Jun 01 - 11:43 PM

Kendall, you bring up an excellent point!
"All I know is, the Taylor has made me a better picker".
THAT, is what it's all about. Inspiration.


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Subject: RE: Blunt unabashed opinion
From: ddw
Date: 14 Jun 01 - 01:04 AM

Spaw, leave Clinton alone — he's busy, OK?

He's in a couple of bands and there's a big Celtic fest coming up, so they're practising all hours god sends and a few they have to go get.

Besides, we already know what he's gonna say.

BTW — I heard him play that Seagull last week and it is a sweet little thing.

*BG*

david


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Subject: RE: Blunt unabashed opinion
From: catspaw49
Date: 14 Jun 01 - 03:05 AM

Well shoot David, I should have known it was something like that or we would certainly have heard from him by now.

Clinton, if you happen on to this thread, just go ahead and post, but if you don't make it, I just think it wouldn't be complete without your comments so let me summarise for you:

-Seagull builds really fine guitars.
-I (CH) would put any of the Seagulls I've had up against any Martin.
-They look great and the satin finish beats hell out of 58 coats of hi-gloss.
-That Hi-Gloss finish kills the sound and Seagulls sound great as they are.
-Why spend thousands when hundreds will do?
-They're made in Canada, eh? (;<)

Now Clinton can do a much better job of defending his points, but he's not entirely wrong by any means........except for that gloss finish bit which I keep trying to explain (unsuccessfully)........Ah well, that's how it goes when two smartasses debate.......eh?(CAN), huh?(US)

Spaw (:<))


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