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BS: Guest guessing game

GUEST 09 May 01 - 07:59 AM
CamiSu 08 May 01 - 06:59 PM
Matt_R 08 May 01 - 06:23 PM
mousethief 08 May 01 - 06:15 PM
GUEST 08 May 01 - 02:27 PM
Bagpuss 08 May 01 - 10:37 AM
CamiSu 08 May 01 - 09:53 AM
GUEST,Dita (at work) 08 May 01 - 08:33 AM
kendall 08 May 01 - 07:59 AM
GUEST,Ditzee lee 08 May 01 - 12:57 AM
CRANKY YANKEE 07 May 01 - 11:49 PM
Troll 07 May 01 - 11:25 PM
GUEST,Cleigh O'Possum 07 May 01 - 11:13 PM
Night Owl 07 May 01 - 10:58 PM
GUEST,CLETUS 07 May 01 - 10:49 PM
CarolC 07 May 01 - 10:30 PM
toadfrog 07 May 01 - 10:21 PM
tonedeaf 07 May 01 - 09:58 PM
DougR 07 May 01 - 08:22 PM
kendall 07 May 01 - 08:05 PM
DougR 07 May 01 - 07:14 PM
Matt_R 07 May 01 - 07:06 PM
Willie-O 07 May 01 - 06:52 PM
mousethief 07 May 01 - 06:33 PM
Hawker 07 May 01 - 06:19 PM
CarolC 07 May 01 - 06:09 PM
annamill 07 May 01 - 05:38 PM
Matt_R 07 May 01 - 05:33 PM
CarolC 07 May 01 - 05:29 PM
Matt_R 07 May 01 - 05:26 PM
CarolC 07 May 01 - 05:20 PM
Matt_R 07 May 01 - 05:14 PM
mousethief 07 May 01 - 05:08 PM
CarolC 07 May 01 - 05:03 PM
Willie-O 07 May 01 - 04:39 PM
Bill D 07 May 01 - 04:22 PM
mousethief 07 May 01 - 04:09 PM
GUEST 07 May 01 - 04:05 PM
mousethief 07 May 01 - 11:38 AM
GUEST,bbc at work 07 May 01 - 11:34 AM
LR Mole 07 May 01 - 10:12 AM
Wolfgang 07 May 01 - 09:37 AM
GUEST 07 May 01 - 09:04 AM
RichM 07 May 01 - 08:37 AM
Matt_R 07 May 01 - 08:35 AM
kendall 07 May 01 - 08:27 AM
Wolfgang 07 May 01 - 03:59 AM
RichM 04 May 01 - 07:22 PM
GUEST,mkebenn@work 04 May 01 - 07:16 PM
John Routledge 04 May 01 - 06:48 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: Guest guessing game
From: GUEST
Date: 09 May 01 - 07:59 AM

08 May 01 6:15 pm...

Shirking responsibility is only one of a myriad number of reasons for posting anonymously. Some others have been stated or insinuated in previous posts to this thread.


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Subject: RE: BS: Guest guessing game
From: CamiSu
Date: 08 May 01 - 06:59 PM

Up to my eyeballs in lambs and keeping my AFS kid sane. (Nevermind my sanity...)

CamiSu


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Subject: RE: BS: Guest guessing game
From: Matt_R
Date: 08 May 01 - 06:23 PM

Camisu, I was just wondering last night where you'd gotten to!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Guest guessing game
From: mousethief
Date: 08 May 01 - 06:15 PM

Is a concern for what other people think the only relevant factor? How about respect for other people? The way people behave tells a lot about what sort of people they are, which has some weight with whether or not I want to discuss anything with them. Someone who owns up to their mistakes is far more likely to be taken seriously -- at least by this observer -- than someone who shrugs off responsibility.

Posting as an anonymous guest is one way of shrugging off responsibility for one's words. It's like saying "You're not important enough, or this conversation is not important enough, for me to register a stable name." If it's not important to you, why should I care to discuss it with you?

Alex


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Subject: RE: BS: Guest guessing game
From: GUEST
Date: 08 May 01 - 02:27 PM

07 May 01 6:09 PM....

Point taken. The family physician is the natural choice to believe. But "...all wrought because some people believe it is more important who says what rather than what's being said" was in response to the theme of this thread as stated in the initial post, and subsequent posts before the quote. The originator was expressing disdain for playing a 'game' of trying to guess who said what, which s/he seemed unable to control, and the quote refers to that and the posts that ensued. Outside the context of this thread, the quote doesn't hold up, as your example pointed out.

In many instances in this forum the reader's job is to pass judgement on an expressed thought, opinion, idea, belief, or what-have-you. Most of the posts in this thread (and many others) could fall under the general category of thoughts/beliefs/opinions/ideas. In that context, what difference does it make in the message if there's a moniker attached to it or not? Cover up the names or substitute Guest in any of those kinds of posts, and it doesn't change the meaning of the words.

Perhaps it makes a difference only in those areas where knowledge of the persona is necessary to the context, as in: "I would not want to join a club which would have me as a member." It's funnier and carries more meaning when Groucho Marx says it than when an anonymous person says it.

It also makes a difference when one is concerned with giving credit and assigning blame.

07 May 01 6:33 PM....

Your example is relevant if the reader empowers the words of a name-caller to do damage. If that were the case, given the general disdain aimed indiscriminantly at Guests who dare to express an opinion, no Guest would ever venture beyond the music threads. A liberating advantage to advancing maturity is becoming less and less concerned with what other people think.


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Subject: RE: BS: Guest guessing game
From: Bagpuss
Date: 08 May 01 - 10:37 AM

I'm just wondering if I am a part of this inner clique people keep talking about. If not, how do I join?

;-)

Bagpuss


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Subject: RE: BS: Guest guessing game
From: CamiSu
Date: 08 May 01 - 09:53 AM

Sometimes I just read, sometimes I post. If I just read, sometimes it's because I can't think of what to say, or am too tired to think, or have no worthwhile opinion. But, if I post, it's under my own name. Once when I was in 4th grade, someone sent the teacher an anonymous note. His response was to give us an impromptu spelling test using the misspelled words in the note. Then he told us about the note and read it to us. I don't recall ever finding out who did it. Certainly Mr. K wouldn't tell. That would be too embarrassing for the student. BUT, I'm sure most of us learned that anonymous notes like that were bad manners, at best.

That aside. I did get a PM once because I hadn't posted in a while, asking if I was OK. That was worth a great deal to me, and no one can look out for you if you post anonymously. (I know this was off original subject, but I felt it was worthwhile. Ignore it if you wish)

CamiSu


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Subject: RE: BS: Guest guessing game
From: GUEST,Dita (at work)
Date: 08 May 01 - 08:33 AM

"I'd tear this whole building down" - oh surely not kendall.
love, john.


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Subject: RE: BS: Guest guessing game
From: kendall
Date: 08 May 01 - 07:59 AM

I dont have a problem with anyone using a handle. All I said was, "If I had MY way..."


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Subject: RE: BS: Guest guessing game
From: GUEST,Ditzee lee
Date: 08 May 01 - 12:57 AM

Like I know what you mean, Cletus, umm....if that possum, like gets a cookie and like we don't well it'll just make me mental, ya know and then like I don't know if I could come here anymore, like ya know, 'cause it'd just be TOO much, like that time you and me went out and like we had to get you spiffed up and, wow, that was a tough job and then something happened, like to my poo-dull and like, hey, man, that was you wasn't it, like you were the one! You like dissed my poo-dull and crashed the partee and like it wasn't very cool, ya know and what kinda cookies are we talking about, 'cause I only eat the ones that are low in fat, 'cause like I'm a size 1 now and like, oh I know isn't it cool? And, like well, I just don't want any of that possum fat around me, if ya know what I mean, ya know and like, oh...a cookie ya can't eat, oh like we're in cyberland, is that like what those technogeeks hang out in, oh like man this is really weird, I mean I never knew...hey Janeece...listen to this, like ya're never gonna belive it, ya know.....

the only other guest name i've posted under...my "alter-ego" **BG**...kat


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Subject: RE: BS: Guest guessing game
From: CRANKY YANKEE
Date: 07 May 01 - 11:49 PM

I wanted to join Paranoids anonymous, but they wouldn't tell me where they meet, so, I jopined the Mudcat instead.

Jody Gibson
MD DDS LLD


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Subject: RE: BS: Guest guessing game
From: Troll
Date: 07 May 01 - 11:25 PM

Think about this. Maybe GUEST is actually ALL of us except one or two.
HELP! HELP! The paranoids are after me!

troll


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Subject: RE: BS: Guest guessing game
From: GUEST,Cleigh O'Possum
Date: 07 May 01 - 11:13 PM

Miz Night Owl is so nice and I'm so glad she posted something nice about our new member after that nasty Cletus. I too want to welcome tonedeaf and say that although I have no cookie, I am an official mascot and icon of the Mudcat and have many friends here. I hope you too will enjoy this wondeful place and the people like Night Owl who make it so fine.

Cleigh O'Possum


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Subject: RE: BS: Guest guessing game
From: Night Owl
Date: 07 May 01 - 10:58 PM

Welcome to the community here Cedar (love the name "tonedeaf")!! I assume you've already noticed that those members with the amazing musical talents and knowledge.. share freely with those of us who are hungry to learn. Teachers need students and performers need listeners...and vice versa. ENJOY "mingling" in the mix that makes this place so special!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Guest guessing game
From: GUEST,CLETUS
Date: 07 May 01 - 10:49 PM

Ise bin after Mr. Max ta giv me a cookie soaz i dint need to be no gest sinz ya never know who it iz whut mite be a postin' az me. I allus sines my postinz an all but Max sez he caint gimmee no cookie cuz thairz sum kinda rool bout it an he doan want ta git in no trouble by doin it. Beetz me whut it meenz but Max sez ittid be sumpin bowt "Contributin ta the foolishness uv an Imbecile" ur sorta' like thet anywayz. So I gess Ile jez hafta stay a gest. But I tell ya, iffen Max givs that fool possum a cookie than Ima gonna be rite pissed cuz thet aint nuthin I cud holt with.

CLETUS


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Subject: RE: BS: Guest guessing game
From: CarolC
Date: 07 May 01 - 10:30 PM

I like your screen name, toadfrog. I think it's great.


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Subject: RE: BS: Guest guessing game
From: toadfrog
Date: 07 May 01 - 10:21 PM

Well! I use this pseudonym because it sounds so much better than my real-life name! I'll never give it up! Anybody got a problem with that?!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Guest guessing game
From: tonedeaf
Date: 07 May 01 - 09:58 PM

well, you all inspired me to join, 'tho I've no right to mingle with such great talent

Cedar


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Subject: RE: BS: Guest guessing game
From: DougR
Date: 07 May 01 - 08:22 PM

Hear, hear, Kendall!


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Subject: RE: BS: Guest guessing game
From: kendall
Date: 07 May 01 - 08:05 PM

OK, I have a better picture now. It does help keep everyone separate. If we all signed on as "Guest" we wouldn't have a clue who we are talking to. If I had MY way, we would all use our real names. That would cut down on the attacks, and, we would think before posting.


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Subject: RE: BS: Guest guessing game
From: DougR
Date: 07 May 01 - 07:14 PM

I don't post messages as "Guest" unless I inadvertently allow my cookie to crumble. Then it's Guest DougR until I get around to baking a new one.


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Subject: RE: BS: Guest guessing game
From: Matt_R
Date: 07 May 01 - 07:06 PM

UM...her hair is RED! I was drawing cartoons of her and the other characters when you were just 3 years old!


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Subject: RE: BS: Guest guessing game
From: Willie-O
Date: 07 May 01 - 06:52 PM

i was really obsessed with litle mermaid for a long time. actually, i stil find it tolerable...though i marvel at the fact that i never realised her hair was pink when i was little...if i did, i would have hated her on principle. the principle being: pink=EEEEEEEEEEEEEVIL.

i have no idea what all this guest and flaming and stuff is about...sounds a lot like inkspot's chat war a while back...sorry, that was pointless and made no sense to any of you.


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Subject: RE: BS: Guest guessing game
From: mousethief
Date: 07 May 01 - 06:33 PM

Closer to home, Carol:

"I'm sorry I called you names."
--A guest who called you names

"I'm sorry I called you names."
--Some other guest, who has no right to speak on the first guest's behalf

"I never called you no names."
--The guest who called you names

"I never called you no names."
--Some other guest, who in fact didn't.

Alex


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Subject: RE: BS: Guest guessing game
From: Hawker
Date: 07 May 01 - 06:19 PM

Hey,
I am what I am
Say what I think
Like it or lump it, it's me!
Haven't got time to waste pretending to be someone else! Christ life's complicated enough!
What you see is what you get, sorry if you don't like, but at least Ive got the neck to be myself, 'nuff said!
Lucy


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Subject: RE: BS: Guest guessing game
From: CarolC
Date: 07 May 01 - 06:09 PM

...all wrought because some people believe it's more important who says what rather than what's being said

--GUEST 04-May-01 - 02:26 PM

You've got me thinking about that one. Which one of these statements do you think you would be more inclined to believe...

1. "There's nothing to worry about, this procedure is completely safe."

--Your trusted family physician

- OR -

2. "There's nothing to worry about, this procedure is completely safe."

--Dr. Mengele

Sometimes it does matter who's saying what.


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Subject: RE: BS: Guest guessing game
From: annamill
Date: 07 May 01 - 05:38 PM

Wolfgang..you made me laugh out loud. That hasn't happened here in a long time... can you imagine..

N.6 What?

n1,n2,n3,n4,n5,n7, n8 ... what do you mean, what???

HAHAHAHA!

Love, annamill(stillgrinning)


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Subject: RE: BS: Guest guessing game
From: Matt_R
Date: 07 May 01 - 05:33 PM

LOL! I'm not to fond of Disney's new junk, but Jerry Orbach made it classic for me! It has the only 2 Disney songs I will sing, "Be Our Guest" and "Gaston."


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Subject: RE: BS: Guest guessing game
From: CarolC
Date: 07 May 01 - 05:29 PM

Sorry Matt. Didn't mean to cut down a movie you like. I'm still surprised that I remember the song, though.


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Subject: RE: BS: Guest guessing game
From: Matt_R
Date: 07 May 01 - 05:26 PM

Why? It was cute!


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Subject: RE: BS: Guest guessing game
From: CarolC
Date: 07 May 01 - 05:20 PM

Gawd... I can't believe I remember a song from that movie. (wash my brain out with soap...)


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Subject: RE: BS: Guest guessing game
From: Matt_R
Date: 07 May 01 - 05:14 PM

Yep, Jerry Orbach sings it, one of my favorite actors.


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Subject: RE: BS: Guest guessing game
From: mousethief
Date: 07 May 01 - 05:08 PM

Answering on Matt's behalf, it's from the Disney movie, "Beauty and the Beast."

Alex


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Subject: RE: BS: Guest guessing game
From: CarolC
Date: 07 May 01 - 05:03 PM

I only use an alias because the person by that name is smarter, better looking and plays guitar with more skill.

--LR Mole

Mr. Mole, I don't believe that for one minute. I think you use an alias because you live the double life of a secret agent for the government of the Grand Duchy of Luxembourg. (Hah! Your secret's out now, bucko!)

Mat_R, that song sounds familiar. It seems like I remember it from a Disney movie or something. What's it from?

Carol


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Subject: aiysh
From: Willie-O
Date: 07 May 01 - 04:39 PM

i do hope you're not all getting mad at ME for making you guess whether it's dad or me, becuase i keep forgetting to sign my messages...

yes, indeed, i am me. emily, that is.


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Subject: RE: BS: Guest guessing game
From: Bill D
Date: 07 May 01 - 04:22 PM

maybe if Max would make that cookieless appelation read "Pest", fewer would use it...


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Subject: RE: BS: Guest guessing game
From: mousethief
Date: 07 May 01 - 04:09 PM

How does quoting ensure that the person who answers at 10:15 is the same as the person who answered at 09:30? If you can't say "you said blah blah blah" to a real person, then you can't really have a discussion, only a collection of one-liners which you must assume come from a succession of different people.

Which is not a discussion.

Alex


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Subject: RE: BS: Guest guessing game
From: GUEST
Date: 07 May 01 - 04:05 PM

(thinking out loud) hmmm...don't suppose referring to the date/time stamp of a particular post would work for certain applications, as it seems (at least in this thread) that no two are the same...or the good ol' Cut & Paste or direct quote method that many people currently use....


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Subject: RE: BS: Guest guessing game
From: mousethief
Date: 07 May 01 - 11:38 AM

One obvious benefit of using the log-in monikers is that you know when they post something, it's the same person. ANYBODY can be "GUEST,#1" or "GUEST,in room 325 of the Motel 6" and thus it needn't be the same person every time. This makes it rather difficult to have a conversation, if you can't be sure you're still speaking to the same person.

Alex


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Subject: RE: BS: Guest guessing game
From: GUEST,bbc at work
Date: 07 May 01 - 11:34 AM

Members who post anonymously tend to do it because they are unwilling to take responsibility for their statements. If I'm unwilling to accept peoples' reactions to my statements as bbc, I would do better not to post at all.

In more than one sense, a consistent name for a person allows us to discriminate--that is, to tell one person from another. As we get to know each other on the Forum, that can be used as a time-saving device. I have learned that there are some members whose comments I value & some that I usually don't find informative or helpful. I read threads & postings based on that discrimination. And, yes, Wolfgang, it helps us keep track of the players.

I don't have any problem, nor do I think most of us do, w/ legitimate guests to the site or w/ members who don't use their actual names. I object to members hiding behind the guest designation because they are unwilling to take responsibility for their actions.

bbc (who has posted as bbc or not at all)


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Subject: RE: BS: Guest guessing game
From: LR Mole
Date: 07 May 01 - 10:12 AM

I only use an alias because the person by that name is smarter, better looking and plays guitar with more skill. I suggest a mass Mudcat paranoia-in when we all at the same time narrow our eyes, glance over our cybershoulders and say, "What did he/she mean by that? And who was it?"


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Subject: RE: BS: Guest guessing game
From: Wolfgang
Date: 07 May 01 - 09:37 AM

I don't agree with your idea, Spot, for it is not practicable. Why? See a short preview to one of the threads with a no name Mudcat:

post N: I wish to say that I agree with the fourth last post before my own.

N+1: No that's obviously wrong.

N+2: Sorry, someone else has posted in between, make it the fifth last post I agree with.

N+3: I apologise for having said 'ashole' to you.

N+4: From which post on to you count back??

N+5: Do you apologise to me who has been called 'asshole' in the 27th post or to that big time asshole of post 14.

N+6: The lyrics are originally not from Ned Portland.

N+7: Sorry, I counted wrong, I meant to say 'post 15'.

N+8: Asshole

N+9: Who me?

N+10: Stop insulting me, idiot.

N+11 Do you mean me?

and so on...

Though I agree that often the name of the poster (or lack of) has a larger impact upon the reading of an argument than it should have.

Wolfgang


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Subject: RE: BS: Guest guessing game
From: GUEST
Date: 07 May 01 - 09:04 AM

Spot on, Spot...what a novel idea, to have one's words be the only criterion on which to judge the value of a post, an ideal milieu in which opinion was based on the message's content, irrespective of the presence or absence of a moniker....


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Subject: RE: BS: Guest guessing game
From: RichM
Date: 07 May 01 - 08:37 AM

True, Kendall.
Why are people upset by those who use the pseudonym 'Guest' when they use handles themselves?


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Subject: RE: BS: Guest guessing game
From: Matt_R
Date: 07 May 01 - 08:35 AM

Be...
Our...
GUEST, be our GUEST
Put our service to the test!
Sit yourself down in the chair, cherie
And we provide the rest
Soup du jour, hot hors d'oevres
Why, we only live to serve!


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Subject: RE: BS: Guest guessing game
From: kendall
Date: 07 May 01 - 08:27 AM

When I first joined this august group, I used a handle because I thought that was the thing to do. Then, I learned that it was not that firm, so, I started using my real name. Should I worry about having all that info about me in the resources? If someone wants to pay me a visit some dark night, they can easily find out where I live. I guess I dont see why it is important to use either your real name or a handle rather than "Guest" If you use a handle, and you are not in the resources, what makes you different from "Guest"?


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Subject: RE: BS: Guest guessing game
From: Wolfgang
Date: 07 May 01 - 03:59 AM

Thanks for all your opinions.

Reading and thinking I see that my problem is not anonymity but consistency. I've no problems at all with Mudcat handles that are no names (gnu), I've no problems with GUESTs consistently using a name or a handle (GUEST, Russ), I've no problem with Mudcatters using the GUEST mode for the purpose of joke or whatever when there is no attempt to hide the real identity (GUEST, Cletus), I even have no problem at all when there is a well understandable stated reason for anonymity (see Kim's example above.

Wolfgang


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Subject: RE: BS: Guest guessing game
From: RichM
Date: 04 May 01 - 07:22 PM

Ah, but you may as well try and catch the wind


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Subject: RE: BS: Guest guessing game
From: GUEST,mkebenn@work
Date: 04 May 01 - 07:16 PM

I only tried that once, flammed the wrong person, PO'ed the real culprit and all was not needed. Mike


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Subject: RE: BS: Guest guessing game
From: John Routledge
Date: 04 May 01 - 06:48 PM

Ebbie - The thread itself is kind of sad. Geordie(Kind of Sad)Broon


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