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Thought for the day - April 28, 2001

katlaughing 28 Apr 01 - 12:06 AM
GUEST,#1 28 Apr 01 - 12:26 AM
Matt_R 28 Apr 01 - 12:33 AM
SINSULL 28 Apr 01 - 12:35 AM
Amergin 28 Apr 01 - 12:57 AM
CRANKY YANKEE 28 Apr 01 - 01:33 AM
Little Neophyte 28 Apr 01 - 08:30 AM
Micca 28 Apr 01 - 08:46 AM
Little Neophyte 28 Apr 01 - 01:29 PM
GUEST,#1 28 Apr 01 - 02:22 PM
Amergin 28 Apr 01 - 03:03 PM
katlaughing 28 Apr 01 - 03:11 PM
Amergin 28 Apr 01 - 03:36 PM
katlaughing 28 Apr 01 - 03:41 PM
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Matt_R 28 Apr 01 - 03:47 PM
Amergin 28 Apr 01 - 04:23 PM
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Subject: Thought for the day - April 28, 2001
From: katlaughing
Date: 28 Apr 01 - 12:06 AM

"Forgiveness seems to be continually with us -- the need to forgive, to be forgiven, is directly tied to loving and being loved -- or lovable. We sometimes love better at a distance. Time and space have a way of putting things into perspective so that we can see the right and wrong to be able to forgive or ask forgiveness. We never gain ground as long as we are obstinate about forgiving. A grudge is a stone wall that forbids us to move in any direction. The Cherokees have labored long to understand the reason for the Trail of Tears -- the same way other tribes have tried to understand. Life has a way of working itself out to certain ends, a time for everything, and what has been lost will be regained many times over. When? There is an exact moment. Yoweh knows.

When we are at peace we hunt freely, our wives and children do not stand in want...We sleep easy.

Cherokee saying

From A Cherokee Feast of Days by Joyce Sequichie Hifler © 1992


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Subject: RE: Thought for the day - April 28, 2001
From: GUEST,#1
Date: 28 Apr 01 - 12:26 AM

Already done my thinking through April, working on May, now. She'll be more difficult.


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Subject: RE: Thought for the day - April 28, 2001
From: Matt_R
Date: 28 Apr 01 - 12:33 AM

I hope Yoweh isn't the same as the Hopi Yowe!


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Subject: RE: Thought for the day - April 28, 2001
From: SINSULL
Date: 28 Apr 01 - 12:35 AM

And start by forgiving yourself. Funny how we condemn ourselves for things we laugh off in others.


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Subject: RE: Thought for the day - April 28, 2001
From: Amergin
Date: 28 Apr 01 - 12:57 AM

The problem is...it is easy to forgive others....but damn hard to forgive oneself...


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Subject: RE: Thought for the day - April 28, 2001
From: CRANKY YANKEE
Date: 28 Apr 01 - 01:33 AM

In my opinion, the Cherokee were more civilized than the europeans who victimized them. Stone age civilization or not, they had an elected government with a Woman at it's head who had veto power over anything affecting tribal security or defence, a written language (invented by "SEQUOIA") and the vision to see that there was much to be learned from the Europeans. Of course the Europeans were not as forward minded as these "Savages" and betrayed the trust given them. If the Cherokee had been a maritime civilization, they might have discovered Europe and the world would be a different place.,

I can accept no blame for what people did to people in the past. My ancestors were in Italy and Russia at the time. I AM A NATIVE AMERICAN. I was born in the U.S.A. of immigrant forebears, as were the American Indians. There are no Homo Sapiens indigenous to the Western Hemisphere.
The bottom line in the "blame or Forgiveness" department, as far as I'm concerned, is this: I wouldn't do those atrocious things to other people, nor would I knowingly stand idly by and allow others to.

You can yell at me if you want to, but what happened to the American Indian is what "Hard Core Sociologists" call, "The territorial imperative" coupled with "intra-specific agressiive instinct" two instincts shared by all animal life. Instincts can not be ignored by a healthy, normal animal, who doesn't even realize that it's reacting to instinct, but who's actions are triggered by intervening variables that precipitate their actions. Believe me, the middle aged European version of Territorial Imperative, perpetrated by people who were more cruel and bloodthirsty than most of you could possibly imagine, Mongols, Huns, Romans, Tartars, Celts, Gauls, Goths, Visigoths Semites, Egyptians, Etc Etc Etc, was far more terrible than anything that happened in the Western Hemisphere.

As for the wonderful "Protectors of the ecology and environment". Within recorded history, they hunted the North American Wolly Mamouth to extinction because they were so easy to hunt.


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Subject: RE: Thought for the day - April 28, 2001
From: Little Neophyte
Date: 28 Apr 01 - 08:30 AM

Very important thought for the day Kat,
It brings to mind this quote I once heard........
To forgive but not to forget is like burying the hatchet with the handle sticking out.

Author Unknown


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Subject: RE: Thought for the day - April 28, 2001
From: Micca
Date: 28 Apr 01 - 08:46 AM

Yes, and to forgive ourselves and move on is an essential for our mental health and well being,
after all Omar Khyyam said something in the vein of Bonnie that has always been a Favourite of mine
"The Moving finger writes, and having writ
moves on, nor all thy piety nor wit
shall lure it back to cancel half a line
Nor all thy tears wash out a word of it."


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Subject: RE: Thought for the day - April 28, 2001
From: Little Neophyte
Date: 28 Apr 01 - 01:29 PM

Oh heres a good one.....
Always forgive your enemies, nothing annoys them so much.
Oscar Wilde

But seriously, the truth of the matter is.....
It's hard to defeat an enemy who has an outpost in your own head.
Sally Compton

That being said....
Wanna fly?
you got to give up the shit that weighs you down.
Toni Morris


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Subject: RE: Thought for the day - April 28, 2001
From: GUEST,#1
Date: 28 Apr 01 - 02:22 PM

Let's get all those thoughts in this thread, so we can dispense will all future ones of this title (poems, too).


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Subject: RE: Thought for the day - April 28, 2001
From: Amergin
Date: 28 Apr 01 - 03:03 PM

So Guest,#0....how is Mary Ewe doing?


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Subject: RE: Thought for the day - April 28, 2001
From: katlaughing
Date: 28 Apr 01 - 03:11 PM

Bruce, just stuff it! I don't give a good gawddamn if you like the thoughts for the day or not. If you are stupid enough to open them up, WHEN THEY ARE CLEARLY TITLED then it is your own damn fault. Just stop this juvenile bullshit; it does not become you.


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Subject: RE: Thought for the day - April 28, 2001
From: Amergin
Date: 28 Apr 01 - 03:36 PM

Boy, Kat, I would hate to meet with you in a dark alley...after all those old folks jokes...you would probably kick my arse...


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Subject: RE: Thought for the day - April 28, 2001
From: katlaughing
Date: 28 Apr 01 - 03:41 PM

Hardly, Amergin, you always carry them off with a gentle jibe and you do not go after people the likes of Peter T. and Jeri and try to run rampant on the Mudcat in a vain and futile attempt to mold it to your specs. I know where your heart lies, darlin'..no worries.


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Subject: RE: Thought for the day - April 28, 2001
From: GUEST,#1
Date: 28 Apr 01 - 03:45 PM

The first line of the homepage here still reads "A magazine dedicated to blues and folk music", Do you think it becomes you to fill it with the irrelevant? That makes it very time consuming to search the forum for answers to legitimate questions along the lines of the stated purpose of this forum.


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Subject: RE: Thought for the day - April 28, 2001
From: Matt_R
Date: 28 Apr 01 - 03:47 PM

Well FIRST of bloody, all, this ISN'T a magazine. It's not made of paper, and I've NEVER seen a entire forum-oriented magazine.


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Subject: RE: Thought for the day - April 28, 2001
From: Amergin
Date: 28 Apr 01 - 04:23 PM

Ah, kat....and here I was getting excited at the thought.....


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Subject: RE: Thought for the day - April 28, 2001
From: Little Neophyte
Date: 28 Apr 01 - 07:18 PM

For me, I look forward to 'The Thought For The Day' as a moment of inspiration.
As for today's thought, to slow down and ponder on the meaning of forgiveness is really important to me.
The willingness to forgive myself and stop judging others is the most important thing I could do in my lifetime. The only power that is greater is the power of Love itself. Forgiveness removes the veil of fear. If I don't forgive I will never really know the meaning of love.

Little Neo


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Subject: RE: Thought for the day - April 28, 2001
From: Matt_R
Date: 28 Apr 01 - 07:24 PM

You must know someone like him
He was tall and strong and lean
Body like a greyhound, with a mind so sharp and keen
But his heart just like a laurel,
Grew twisted around itselfon itself
Til almost everything he did
Brought pain to someone else...


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Subject: RE: Thought for the day - April 28, 2001
From: Amergin
Date: 28 Apr 01 - 07:30 PM

I have always enjoyed the thought of the day threads...they have always been something to make me think...somthing to make me reflect about myself and how I relate with them....I like that...Katdarling...don't let some pimply arsed sheepfucker get you all bent out of shape over this....it ain't worth it...for the rest of us love ya...

Nathan


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Subject: RE: Thought for the day - April 28, 2001
From: katlaughing
Date: 28 Apr 01 - 07:43 PM

Not to worry, Nathandarlin'. It takes more than that to run me off. Thanks to you. Bonnie, good words! Thanks! Matt, I love that quote! Very telling, for this person has so much to offer if he just didn't get so bound up.

kat


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Subject: RE: Thought for the day - April 28, 2001
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 28 Apr 01 - 08:19 PM

Cranky, yes the Cherokees under Sequoia did invent a language, but it was not an original manifestation of writing. The creation was a 19th century occurrence spurred by observation of existing languages among European colonists. Jared Diamond cites this phenomenon in Guns, Germs, and Steel as one of the critical factors in European conquest.

Now as to your argument that the Cherokees were more civilized in their behavior than the ones who set them on the Trail of Tears...I must agree.


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Subject: RE: Thought for the day - April 28, 2001
From: Dave (the ancient mariner)
Date: 28 Apr 01 - 08:52 PM

I have enjoyed Kats TFTD for many years, and consider it a worthwhile part of Mudcat and these threads. Walk with the spirit kat... Yours, Aye. Dave


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Subject: RE: Thought for the day - April 28, 2001
From: RichM
Date: 28 Apr 01 - 09:00 PM

This is a new medium. We all know that--
yet some like Guest #1 persist in insisting that Mudcatters should only talk about music.
People don't contribute to this forum only for the purpose of compiling a musical encyclopedia!

Might as well try and catch a fart, Guest.

There are few limitations on the internet other than the ones we accept as common courtesy. In other words: manners!
If ya don't like a topic, don't click that mouse!


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Subject: RE: Thought for the day - April 28, 2001
From: SINSULL
Date: 28 Apr 01 - 09:35 PM

Ironic, isn't it? Guest#1 contributes at least as much to the non-music threads as anyone else...guess he must like them after all.

MattR - that really is a beautiful contribution.

I love the Thought For The Day". I especially love the various directions it takes off on - LEJ has added another book and author to my "must read" list today. Keep it up Kat.


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Subject: RE: Thought for the day - April 28, 2001
From: Sorcha
Date: 28 Apr 01 - 11:42 PM

I'm about to lose it over #1Nobody........somebody come nail a plank over me, please, to keep me from saying really obnoxious things that would tell everyone exactly who it is.

kat, I love the Thought for the Day.....if it weren't for Thoughts, there would be no music. If the people "way back when" (read Trad People) had no thoughts, there would be no "Trad Music". If nobody ever thought it would be a sad thing. Thank you and Peter T. both for your insightful postings.

Guest #1 Body Odor, it's fairly obvious that you don't think, or have Original Thoughts....they aren't "traditional". You know, you have been a pain the the butt here for quite a while. You can't control Mudcat, and if you don't like it as it is, why in the hell don't you just leave?


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Subject: RE: Thought for the day - April 28, 2001
From: Amergin
Date: 28 Apr 01 - 11:56 PM

Hey, Sorcha dear, don't let Guest, #1 Ewe Violator, get to you....Personally, I would like to see it (he or she would show that I think this thing is possibly human) make it's own message board and see how long it lasts before folks start talking about other things beside music....


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Subject: RE: Thought for the day - April 28, 2001
From: Sorcha
Date: 29 Apr 01 - 12:08 AM

It has it's own site that doesn't allow postings, so it stays Trad/musical.......no comments or contributions allowed......it whines about public e mail, but it won't post its own.....it whines about "folk" but refuses to define "folk" (trad is anything older than Dirt and Death), it can only make understandable comments as alter ego #1--posts under its own name are generally unintelligible........


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Subject: RE: Thought for the day - April 28, 2001
From: Peter T.
Date: 29 Apr 01 - 09:26 AM

Before the first line on the homepage it says "The Mudcat Cafe" -- Any cafe worth its expresso is full of chat, beautiful women, folk music, denizens on the floor, bores, geniuses, and crabby people. Like this cafe. As has been said before, folk and blues are rooted in you-name-it of human experience, so they cannot be bounded simply. We cannot define a priori what will grow the next crop of folk music or blues. Having said that, the THREAD OF THREADS that weaves us together here is the community of musicians, listeners, waiters, in the cafe, or out on the porch. The number of music threads varies, the number of threads about George Bush or other non-obviously music stuff varies, but by and large the "family resemblance" is shared throughout. Cousin G. comes to town, rants for awhile, says his piece, and heads off, and the fiddler strikes up another tune. As long as the Porchmeister or Cafe Owner keeps the place open, and we remain here in his good graces, it percolates along, like cafe coffee.

yours, Peter T.


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Subject: RE: Thought for the day - April 28, 2001
From: Peg
Date: 29 Apr 01 - 09:30 AM

oooh, very nicely said, Peter T (as usual)...

Nice thought, kat.

GUEST#1; what is it like to really have NO LIFE WHATSOEVER?


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Subject: RE: Thought for the day - April 28, 2001
From: John Routledge
Date: 29 Apr 01 - 10:49 AM

#1 - Start a few music threads and become useful. If I find any of them interesting I will follow them and post to them if appropriate. Regards GB


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Subject: RE: Thought for the day - April 28, 2001
From: lady penelope
Date: 29 Apr 01 - 03:24 PM

" You gotta ac-centuate the positive Ee-lim-inate the negative Latch onto the affirmative Don't mess with Mr Inbetween "

Musical enuff for ya Guest? Twit.

Keep it up Kat.

TTFN M'Lady P.


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Subject: RE: Thought for the day - April 28, 2001
From: Wolfgang
Date: 02 May 01 - 04:03 AM

Amergin,

your language has crossed a line with me that makes me want to comment. However you feel, in my eyes you should not use the word 'thing' or 'it' (that part is for you too, Sorcha) for a person. Look e.g. at kat's post (strong words, yes, personal attack, yes, but never crossed the line to inhumane language) for an example I have not the slightest problems with (in the context of a provocation, I mean).

Peter has described a Cafe in which he feels comfortable. I do not feel comfortable in a Cafe in which inhumane language is left without comment.

Here's something to ponder about from a book I'm reading right now (Susan McKay, Norther Protestants). It is an interview with a protestant double murderer who now works as hard as he can for peace and understanding. He describes the feelings among his peer group of protestants about the catholics in former times and says:
But mostly we didn't rationalise. We were just caught up in the hurly-burly. You didn't think of a target as a person with family and feelings. A target was an enemy of Ulster. A thing.

Wolfgang


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Subject: RE: Thought for the day - April 28, 2001
From: Noreen
Date: 02 May 01 - 11:27 AM

Wolfgang- a good point, well made. Thank you.

Noreen


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Subject: RE: Thought for the day - April 28, 2001
From: richlmo
Date: 03 May 01 - 12:03 AM

My thought for the day - April 28, 2001 was, " How the Hell can I be 50 years old? I still don't know what I want to be when I grow up! " It was my B-DAY and I was 50 and I really love the Mudcat, even though I don't contribute very often. The different views from around the world on subjects that we are all interested in is really something special. We all came here first because of the music, but we all come back because it is a whole lot more. Keeps the old brain functioning.


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Subject: RE: Thought for the day - April 28, 2001
From: katlaughing
Date: 03 May 01 - 12:07 AM

Happy Birthday, Rich!! Sorry we missed it!! In the words of Ruth Gordon, "How would you be, if you didn't know?"


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Subject: RE: Thought for the day - April 28, 2001
From: Amergin
Date: 03 May 01 - 02:26 AM

Well, Wolfgang...re your objection to my use of the word "it" to describe Guest, #1 B.O.....do you happen to name every piece of shit that floats in your toilet?


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Subject: RE: Thought for the day - April 28, 2001
From: CarolC
Date: 03 May 01 - 02:52 AM

Hi Amergin. I don't know what information you and the other people who are naming GUEST #1 have access to, so there's no way for me to know for sure whether or not you and they are right.

However, it has happened around here that people have publicised the screen names of people they thought were posting as various guests, and then in some cases they turned out to be wrong.

I hope you understand all of the potential ramifications of what you're doing. Not only for you, but also for the person you are accusing, if it should happen that you are wrong.

Take care,

Carol


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Subject: RE: Thought for the day - April 28, 2001
From: Wolfgang
Date: 03 May 01 - 05:45 AM

Amergin,
if you feel comfortable with that language there's nothing I can do except voicing my disgust. And you seem to have enough people feeling comfortable with you using this language. That's the well known ingroup phenomenon. A group tolerates nearly every abuse from group members as long as it is directed at an outsider.

Wolfgang


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