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Gettin' a 'Cowboy Geetar'! Any thoughts?

Rick Fielding 20 Jan 01 - 04:52 PM
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Subject: Gettin' a 'Cowboy Geetar'! Any thoughts?
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 20 Jan 01 - 04:52 PM

Howdy there Podners. A friend of mine seems to be getting into that "guitar nurd" stage and asked me about "Cowboy guitars". The best that I could come up with, was the Gibson J-200 (or Oriental equivalent). Also I thought of the Everly Brothers neat J-100 with fancy double pick-guards and Stars on the fingerboard. Most of today's cowboy (New-country) singers seem to favour Taylors or Takamines. Any advice for Tucker.

P.S. She's gonna be a good'un.....cause she practices every day!!

Thanks

Rick


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Subject: RE: Gettin' a 'Cowboy Geetar'! Any thoughts?
From: Inukshuk
Date: 20 Jan 01 - 09:18 PM

I have a room full of guitars, but for going the plugged route I love my bottom of the line EG531C Takamine. Plays easy, sounds great. It also sounds reasonable unplugged.


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Subject: RE: Gettin' a 'Cowboy Geetar'! Any thoughts?
From: catspaw49
Date: 20 Jan 01 - 09:29 PM

Hey Rick, why not go get "Ol Tex" off your friend's wall?

I dunno......What's a "Cowboy Guitar" anyway? No, I'm serious..........If you think back to Roy and Gene and the like, it was pretty small bodied things or often a goofed up looking Martin. If I think of someone like Marty Robbins, I think REAL TINY bodied, parlor really. Or are you going more for some Jumbo style with fancy decor as you mention? The 55 and 65 series Guilds kinda' meet that look and they sound pretty good. Then again, a lot of Opry type cowboy types played "Grammer" and you can still find some of them around here and there.

Seriously....which route are you going here?

Spaw


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Subject: RE: Gettin' a 'Cowboy Geetar'! Any thoughts?
From: Charcloth
Date: 20 Jan 01 - 10:30 PM

How about a Guild JF 30. I like mine anyway & it doesn't cost as much as a gibson


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Subject: RE: Gettin' a 'Cowboy Geetar'! Any thoughts?
From: MarkS
Date: 20 Jan 01 - 11:05 PM

How about looking for a Gibson era Epiphone, made in the Kalamazoo factory? Smaller than a dreadnaught for convenience while playing in the saddle, good tone and bass qualities, and not real costly on the used market. I have on old FT 45N Cortez and it really looks like the kind of thing played in the old western movies.
MarkS


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Subject: RE: Gettin' a 'Cowboy Geetar'! Any thoughts?
From: Troll
Date: 20 Jan 01 - 11:07 PM

You might also look at some of the new Yamahas and Charvels. I've seen several that were not half bad for the price.
Question Rick. Do you suggest that your students have their guitars "set up" by a good luthier? It can make all the difference in the world.

troll


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Subject: RE: Gettin' a 'Cowboy Geetar'! Any thoughts?
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 20 Jan 01 - 11:52 PM

You got that right my friend Troll. A proper set-up is CRUCIAL to a new player for so many reasons. I've seen folks who've been struggling for months learning nothing and seriously hurting their fingers simply because their instrument had bad action and wrong string guages. Often the action at the NUT is way too high. A simple set-up can help someone learn in one quarter the time. I constantly work on all my instruments to keep them fine tuned and (if they don't object) try to do the same thing for my students.

At the moment, I'm refinishing the peghead on one of Peter T's instruments. It got dinged a lot while we were trying to find out why it wouldn't play in tune. I tried everything with no luck...eventually trying to set it up as a raised saddle and nut slide guitar. Eventually I did some micro-measuring and found that the distance from the nut to the first fret was off by a hair. That's enough to throw the rest of it out of tune. Had to do quite a bit of carpentry but I think it'll be OK. If not....I give up. Maybe Peter can donate it to the Sally Ann.

Takamine made a GREAT big body (J-200) guitar. With a double pickguard it'd look pretty country.

Rick


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Subject: RE: Gettin' a 'Cowboy Geetar'! Any thoughts?
From: catspaw49
Date: 21 Jan 01 - 12:13 AM

THAT'S IT??? Is that what you're looking for? A Tak? I mean I been scouring the net and all.....Eladerly has a Grammer BTW...needs a bit, but its Brazilian and all....Obviously Gruhn has a couple. Price range? Or shouldn't I bother asking? Lemmee know.......or not.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: Gettin' a 'Cowboy Geetar'! Any thoughts?
From: Justa Picker
Date: 21 Jan 01 - 01:25 AM

Gibson Hummingbird, Dove or a slope shouldered J-45. The J-200 is a bit gangly.


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Subject: RE: Gettin' a 'Cowboy Geetar'! Any thoughts?
From: dwditty
Date: 21 Jan 01 - 02:13 AM

J-45. Nuff said.


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Subject: RE: Gettin' a 'Cowboy Geetar'! Any thoughts?
From: catspaw49
Date: 21 Jan 01 - 02:30 AM

Click

Clink

Clack

OOO Boy

For Ridin' the Range

And a Goalie Stick for Rick

Spaw


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Subject: RE: Gettin' a 'Cowboy Geetar'! Any thoughts?
From: Gray Rooster
Date: 21 Jan 01 - 12:04 PM

Actually, Martin has a Cowboy X model in production right now. Cost -- around $999 retail US. I believe it is a OOO size and is a limited edition (only 250 are going to be produced). It is not my cup of tea though no one will mistake this guitar for anything less than a cowboy's side paddle.


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Subject: RE: Gettin' a 'Cowboy Geetar'! Any thoughts?
From: Mooh
Date: 21 Jan 01 - 01:44 PM

If'n I was a real cowboy, I'd have me some small body thing I could play while ridin' horseback. But if'n I was a pretty-boy pretend cowboy I'd have me a big old Gibson jumbo with two pickguards. If'n I was something in between, I'd have me a D-18. No real cowboy guitar was ever made off this continent.

(Former Tak owner) Mooh.


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Subject: RE: Gettin' a 'Cowboy Geetar'! Any thoughts?
From: Midchuck
Date: 21 Jan 01 - 02:47 PM

I go with Mooh.

Any guitars the old-time cowboys actually played were pretty much certainly what we would call "parlor" guitars now, since all guitars were that size then.

A 000-something or an OM is a good compromise, though.

I think the ideal cowboy guitar would be one of those real old Gibson small, all-mahogany, round-hole archtops. I don't know what they were called.

Peter.


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Subject: RE: Gettin' a 'Cowboy Geetar'! Any thoughts?
From: Justa Picker
Date: 21 Jan 01 - 03:05 PM

Cowboy Guitars - A Very Brief and edited History


Roy Rogers (a.k.a. Leonard Slye) 1930 Martin OM45-Deluxe
Jimmie Rodgers - 1928 Martin OOO-45 (12 fret)
Hank Williams - 1944 Martin D-28
Tex Ritter - 1930s Martin OO-45 (14 fret)..later Gibson, J-200
Montana Slim (a.k.a. Wilf Carter) - 1935 Martin OOO-45
Gene Autry - 1930 Martin OO-42, then 1933 D-45 (12 fret, sloped shoulder, and later Gibson J-200)
Jackie "Kid" Moore - 1934 Martin D-45
Tex Fletcher - 1934 Martin D42L
Toby Stroud - 1935 Martin D-45 (one of only 2 wide bodied versions ever made)
Merle Haggard - 1950s Martin OO-21 and later a 12 fret OOO-45

...anyone else?...


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Subject: RE: Gettin' a 'Cowboy Geetar'! Any thoughts?
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 21 Jan 01 - 06:45 PM

I think my friend is lookin' for something kind of "Glitzy fun". Also BIG! Can't think of anything glitzier or bigger than the J-200 shape. The Doves and Hummingbirds fit the bill for the dreadnought shape.

Rick

Trivia question for you "Justa", since you seem to know your stuff. Jimmie Rodgers did indeed play several Martins, (including the one mentioned)most far less ornamented than the "45"....BUT....he had an endorsement deal with ANOTHER guitar company. What company? He's pictured several times with their instruments.


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Subject: RE: Gettin' a 'Cowboy Geetar'! Any thoughts?
From: Justa Picker
Date: 21 Jan 01 - 07:54 PM

Well Mr. Fielding, I know that prior to getting the custom OOO-45, photos of a very young Mr. Rodgers show him with an O-17, and then around 1927 graduating to a OO-18, and then when he began to make serious money, he ordered the famous Blue Yodel OOO-45. But as far as the endorsement deal, well you've stumped me. My educated guess would be Stella. If I'm wrong, please answer the question, or it will make an insomniac out of me. Thanks.


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Subject: RE: Gettin' a 'Cowboy Geetar'! Any thoughts?
From: catspaw49
Date: 21 Jan 01 - 08:32 PM

Yeah, I know I'm not playin' here, but I'll go with Stella too...........Leadbelly, Doc Watson's first guitar, charlie Patton, Joe McCoy.......I'll guess on Stella too.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: Gettin' a 'Cowboy Geetar'! Any thoughts?
From: mousethief
Date: 22 Jan 01 - 03:28 PM

Arch-top with F-holes. Anything else isn't cowboy to me.

Alex


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Subject: RE: Gettin' a 'Cowboy Geetar'! Any thoughts?
From: cowboypoet
Date: 22 Jan 01 - 05:46 PM

As a cowboy singer my ownself I see what a lot of other cowboy singers are playing these days, and the majority seem to favor an almost-in-good-taste abalone-encrusted Martin Dreadnaught. 41's, 42's (like mine) and 45's would appear to be the instruments of choice at cowboy poetry and music gatherings. This says little about "authenticity" of course, but that's what I see mostly.


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Subject: RE: Gettin' a 'Cowboy Geetar'! Any thoughts?
From: GUEST,Tucker
Date: 22 Jan 01 - 09:24 PM

HEY ALL!!

I'm Tucker, the girl cowboy who is lookin' fer this cowboy geetar. Thank you everyone fer yer help. I am visually hooked on the gibson everly brothers. Those frickin' SWIRLY PICKGUARDS!! Those Frickin' STAR INLAYS!! I guess I'll make my way up to Elderly and see how she plays. All I know is the photo sent by Spaw (thanks Spaw!) is screamin' "tuckkkerrr...tuckerrrrr...come an' git meeee..."

Tucker.

ps now where DOES a cowboy git three thousand clams?


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Subject: RE: Gettin' a 'Cowboy Geetar'! Any thoughts?
From: catspaw49
Date: 22 Jan 01 - 09:32 PM

Howabout less than two thousand clams (US) for one of the '97 Limited Edition models signed by Don Everly?

CLICK HERE TUCKER

Spaw


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Subject: RE: Gettin' a 'Cowboy Geetar'! Any thoughts?
From: Midchuck
Date: 22 Jan 01 - 10:05 PM

Going into Elderly with a valid credit card with a significant amount of unused credit balance is an almost suicidal act. I made it out with only a $700 octave mando and about $100 worth of CDs, and considered myself to have behaved with amazing restraint.

Peter.


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Subject: RE: Gettin' a 'Cowboy Geetar'! Any thoughts?
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 23 Jan 01 - 12:11 PM

Found it (I think) Epiphone makes a "Don Everly" Model.(What's the problem with Phil? Those guys still feudin'? Wait a minute...Phil's alive, isn't he?)

Price around 500 Canajun! Can't get better than that. Tucker..WHEN you become a RICH Cowgal, then you can go to Elderly Instruments with a credit card. Midchuck speaks great truth!

Justa. The singin' brakeman got involved with Weymann Guitars near the end of his life. Believe me, this was a surprise to me til I read it in Acoustic guitar Magazine. Don't remember how long the deal lasted....'cause Jimmie didn't last too long himself after that.

But you know yer geetars.

Rick


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Subject: RE: Gettin' a 'Cowboy Geetar'! Any thoughts?
From: catspaw49
Date: 23 Jan 01 - 02:40 PM

Yeah, Phil's alive and running a string manufacturing business with his sons. Well, he was a year ago anyway.........Hell, I dunno'.....Maybe he is dead. The feud's over and they play some events especially always showining up back at their "Home Town" days. anyway....

Rick, I figure you have a source on the Epi.....I remebered that they did make the EB model, but only ran across one on the net and with no price. They no longer list it in their on-line catalog either. Found some of the Dove copies and a load of the 'birds, but no Everly. Your local guy have a line on one I assume? NOS or something maybe?

But as I was browsing about (almost as good as going "Pawning" for a day) I ran across some other interesting little gems. Want a "Cowboy Geetar?" Well how about an OFFICIAL COWGIRL GEETAR??? Now there just ain't no better known cowgirl than that, and that thing is a piece of work ain't it? They built a few of the "Roys" too. Wonder what the pair would be worth?

Spaw


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Subject: RE: Gettin' a 'Cowboy Geetar'! Any thoughts?
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 23 Jan 01 - 04:32 PM

My Gawd Spaw! I want one. Can you imagine a trio with Roy, Dale and Trigger guitars? They'd have a record deal just for showin' up!

Maybe even a Pat Brady bass and Gabby Hayes drum set.

Dadgummit Roy!


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Subject: RE: Gettin' a 'Cowboy Geetar'! Any thoughts?
From: Peter T.
Date: 23 Jan 01 - 04:39 PM

What was the Jeep's name? yours, Peter T.


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Subject: RE: Gettin' a 'Cowboy Geetar'! Any thoughts?
From: catspaw49
Date: 23 Jan 01 - 05:11 PM

Nellie Belle ...... She can be a fiddle because Ol' Pat was always havin' to fiddle around with her.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: Gettin' a 'Cowboy Geetar'! Any thoughts?
From: GUEST,CraigS
Date: 23 Jan 01 - 08:57 PM

This is embarrassing - to have to supply the definitive answer from the UK. The ULTIMATE cowboy guitar is the Epiphone Texan from the Gibson Epiphone era - the pickguard is littered with cacti, lariats, Stetsons and other cowboy paraphernalia. On the other hand, Gene Autrey and all those other movie cowboys played Martins, but they mainly made their names before the Texan was on the market. Another guitar that Gibson made with a "cowboy" image was the Southern Jumbo, usually referred to as the SJ model - not very elaborate and very good value for money if you find one. Me myself, give me the choice and I'd pick a Gibson Heritage as the ultimate guitar for a cowboy - the best-sounding late model Gibson, even if it doesn't have the look of a J200. Incidentally, the Everly Bros. models only look like a J200, and are smaller. In this line, the best value is to be found in the J100 (not many made, not common - usually cheap). A real find would be a 1930s Kalamazoo(Gibson's cheap label) flat top - looks like a sunburst J200 but cheaper - that's what Robert Johnson used, and he sounded OK even if he wasn't a cowboy.


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Subject: RE: Gettin' a 'Cowboy Geetar'! Any thoughts?
From: Justa Picker
Date: 23 Jan 01 - 09:11 PM

Thank you for setting me straight Mr. Fielding. I actually found a 1910 Weymann here and here but this one was obviously made a little before Jimmie's deal with them was struck. Nevertheles I appreciate the historical perspective and have added your information to my guitar trivia vault. Perhaps this was more along the lines of what Mr. Mousethief had in mind? Apologies for the thread creep and thank y'all kindly.


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Subject: RE: Gettin' a 'Cowboy Geetar'! Any thoughts?
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 23 Jan 01 - 11:55 PM

Holy nostalgia Craig! You had to go and mention my favourite guitar in the world. I've already gone on at great length here about having to sell my Epiphone Texan (to my former best friend) to pay the rent. Gawd what a tragedy. It was a 1961 model (without the pickguard adornments) that I bought used in a pawn shop. What a neck! What a feel! Plus my late sixties hero Tom Rush had one. Every so often I drop by the house of it's current owner to say hello, and I see it hanging on the wall. Can't bring myself to even play it now, 'cause I think it's silently giving me a dirty look and saying "Why did you sell me, you Dork?"

Rick


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Subject: RE: Gettin' a 'Cowboy Geetar'! Any thoughts?
From: catspaw49
Date: 24 Jan 01 - 12:08 AM

Yeah Rick....Did you notice my first post on this thread? I suggested then you go get "Ol Tex" off of your friends wall. AS I recall you said that you didn't think it had had a "proper F chord" played on it since, which I believe started the original proper F chord discussion.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: Gettin' a 'Cowboy Geetar'! Any thoughts?
From: catspaw49
Date: 24 Jan 01 - 12:23 AM

Rick, I take it your friend hasn't croaked on the tennis court yet huh?........CLICK

Spaw---rubbing salt in wound


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Subject: RE: Gettin' a 'Cowboy Geetar'! Any thoughts?
From: ddw
Date: 24 Jan 01 - 12:32 AM

Hey Rick,

You remember that loud Guild of mine? Just had some work done on it — new bone saddle and a few tweeks. Went to see it today and you've never heard loud. The volume is up at least 25 per cent and the bass is really jumpy. He's still going to get the action down a little for me and says that will affect the tone minutely, but I can't wait to get it back. Gonna love it even more!

david


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Subject: RE: Gettin' a 'Cowboy Geetar'! Any thoughts?
From: JedMarum
Date: 24 Jan 01 - 12:34 AM

Gee, the real cowboy types I've seen out TX and OK way have been playing some really beautiful old, high mileage, but great sounding Parlor type guitars - 000's and so forth. They are small enought to be practical for trail life - yet pretty sounding for the campfire, poet songs.

Having said that, my very favorite Jumbo is the Larrivee models. Just a killer sound, and works of art in the looks department. But the more reasonable priced models, are the commonly used (and rightfully so, by my reckoning) Taylors. They have a few dreadnaughts I like.


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Subject: RE: Gettin' a 'Cowboy Geetar'! Any thoughts?
From: English Jon
Date: 24 Jan 01 - 08:17 AM

Not strictly cowboy, but have a go on a takamine EF407... ("New Yorker") I've just bought one, and it's quite lovely. Similar to a small bodied Martin. Loud, full tone. Fabulous electronics. I'll be very surprised if I ever need a better one.

The Martins are also very good.

Do you want vintage or new? Makes a big difference to prices.

Keep you eyes peeled for old Levins as well. My dad plays British fingerstyle rather than country, but his old "Goliath" is fabulous for fingerpicking. And it's a fantastic red/gold sunburst. Very pretty.

Let us know what you decide on in the end! Have fun... Jon


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Subject: RE: Gettin' a 'Cowboy Geetar'! Any thoughts?
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 24 Jan 01 - 11:30 AM

Got an e-mail from "Tucker", and she's leaning towards a big vintage Guild. The "Dave Van Ronk" one, for any vintage Mudcatters.

Geez Spaw, it appears I dont remember whether "Tex" was born in 1961 or 1962! Now I know what Clinton, Bush and Jesse go through when they're trying to keep their stories straight.

Rick


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Subject: RE: Gettin' a 'Cowboy Geetar'! Any thoughts?
From: Steve in Idaho
Date: 24 Jan 01 - 02:06 PM

Nothing like an S.L. Mossman. I bought mine in the mid 70s for $500 and it will play with any acoustic on the market - today or yesterday - and I don't mean to sound conceited by the above. It was bought as a result of a comment Doc Watson made about his. I'd played many others before, Takamine, a small Gibson, Guild, Yamaha, and some I don't remember. My first was a no name with only 3 strings on it. Played? it for 4 months before I could afford a set of "Black Diamond" strings. Don't spend a lot at first as if you change your mind it can be expensive to recoup your investment. And play a lot of them before deciding as all guitars have different necks and play better for others than for self. The most important thing is to have fun.


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Subject: RE: Gettin' a 'Cowboy Geetar'! Any thoughts?
From: catspaw49
Date: 24 Jan 01 - 02:07 PM

Well Rick, its never too late................How about a '49?

Spaw--Continuing the salt treatments


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Subject: RE: Gettin' a 'Cowboy Geetar'! Any thoughts?
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 25 Jan 01 - 12:51 AM

Drool, dribble, fawn.

Please buy it for me Spaw. Ya don't want to take your fortune to the grave!

Rick


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Subject: RE: Gettin' a 'Cowboy Geetar'! Any thoughts?
From: English Jon
Date: 25 Jan 01 - 03:44 AM

Next door neighbour has a Mossman. He swears by it (bloody mossman etc..) Seriously, he says it's very good, and he's got a LOT of guitars and that's the one he likes best. Haven't seen it myself, but I'll take his word for it.

Jon


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Subject: RE: Gettin' a 'Cowboy Geetar'! Any thoughts?
From: Steve in Idaho
Date: 25 Jan 01 - 10:53 AM

The small group I back porch pick with is mainly Martins. My best friend has a 44 Martin and I do love the sound of all of them. This Mossman has been with me for a long time, survived a mule wreck when I was packing in the back country of wilderness Idaho, a car wreck on the way to a gig, and a huge chunk of stupidity on my part over the years. But each little mark is a musical memory. If I was a rich man I'd buy another but suspect I'd never play it as this one is a dear friend. Funny how a hunk of wood can take on such a powerful personality!


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Subject: RE: Gettin' a 'Cowboy Geetar'! Any thoughts?
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 25 Jan 01 - 12:35 PM

"Funny how a hunk of wood can take on such a powerful personality"!! Amen to that, Norton.

One of my favourite guitars was a Mossman Golden Era that I owned in the 70s. Monster axe. Volume like no other, and a great neck. Sadly the neck twisted and I couldn't get it back to normal. Tried everything from new truss rod to steaming, but no dice.

Rick


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Subject: RE: Gettin' a 'Cowboy Geetar'! Any thoughts?
From: Steve in Idaho
Date: 25 Jan 01 - 12:43 PM

Rick that is indeed a bummer! Mossman still builds them and I would bet they could have replaced the neck for you. If you still have it there is a Luthier near here that can build you a new neck for it. He can take a year or more to get the job done but he is the very best. His name is Jon Bolin and is listed in the Boise, Idaho phone book under "Bolin Guitars." If you'd like his # I will add it to this thread. My Mossman is a Tennessee Flat Top model - it was all the money I had at the time. Even though it is the least expensive of the line it is still appraised with whatever the D-18 models of the Martins are worth. And the other nice thing - this old box remembers the songs even though I've forgotten them sometimes!


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Subject: RE: Gettin' a 'Cowboy Geetar'! Any thoughts?
From: BanjoRay
Date: 25 Jan 01 - 05:45 PM

Everybody knows the cowboys didn't play guitars - they played BANJOS.

Heh, heh
Ray


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Subject: RE: Gettin' a 'Cowboy Geetar'! Any thoughts?
From: GUEST,tucker
Date: 25 Jan 01 - 08:53 PM

I KNOW that cowboys played banjo, Banjo Ray!!! That's why I am learning me the banjo on the side!! But don't deprive a cowboy a nice old geetar!! Sheesh!

Tucker

ps...Am still searchin'...played a 1965 J45 tonight...HOLEEEEE #@$% they are SWEEEEEEETTTTT!!!

Can someone lend me two grand?


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Subject: RE: Gettin' a 'Cowboy Geetar'! Any thoughts?
From: catspaw49
Date: 25 Jan 01 - 09:31 PM

Well Tuck, I keep giving you these links and we have 'Catters in all of these places you know? Now you're muckin' about with a J45 huh? Well............

Nice slope J @$1350.

Rick has some buddies who could help with this one - Square J at $595.

Offer Mike $1400 and you may have a deal here.....he's a good guy.

Just havin' fun. Kinda' like pawning except I don't get to play anything!

Spaw


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Subject: RE: Gettin' a 'Cowboy Geetar'! Any thoughts?
From: richardw
Date: 26 Jan 01 - 11:42 AM

Rick;

Well, I know your friend really doesn't want to hear this, but just for another voice,--- if she really wants a cowboy instrument tell her to choose an open-backed, gut-strung banjo. O'Malley, who is credited with writing many of the "cowboy" songs we sing to day says banjos outnumbered guitars 20 to 1 when he was cowboying. She might also check out Bob Flesher's site, Dr. Horsehair, for similar thoughts.

Okay, that said she likely wants to be the one of twenty. So, she might choose one that is easy to throw in the chuckwagon. My son is a cowboy and singer and cowboy poet , "an' I ain't seen him anywar's near to a horse within his geetar." So she might choose a nice parlout guitar, like the 1850s Bruno that Ken Hamm recently had for sale and used on our CD. Beautiful tone, nice nice, but alas, sold before I could buy it.

So, there's for authenticity. As for that silver screeen "cowboy" music, well, there's been lots of good suggestions made. They are what my Dad used to call "drugstore cowboys."

Cheers

Richard Wright http:goldrushbc.ocm


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Subject: RE: Gettin' a 'Cowboy Geetar'! Any thoughts?
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 26 Jan 01 - 11:50 AM

The real old-time 1800s cowboys were more likely to have a banjo than a guitar. Guitars weren't as popular as the banjo, and the banjo would take take a lot more abuse.

Come to think of it, the banjo takes more abuse today!

Dave Oesterreich


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Subject: RE: Gettin' a 'Cowboy Geetar'! Any thoughts?
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 26 Jan 01 - 12:06 PM

Got an e-mail from Tucker this mornin'. She's PLOTZING (is that the right word?) over that J-45 she saw. Being on the younger, hipper side I think she's lookin' for more of a Roy Rogers meets K.D.Lang meets Steve Earle kinda thing. (correct me if I'm wrong, Tucker)

Bottom line though, is, when you meet that special "someone" (guitar-wise)....You Know! If it works out that way, maybe you can use "J-45" as your Mudcat handle.

It's not just wood......it' That CHEMICAL ATTRACTION!

Richard, have you told folks here about your album?

Thanks Norton. Sold the Mossman many years ago....right around the time of the fire.

Rick


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Subject: RE: Gettin' a 'Cowboy Geetar'! Any thoughts?
From: Justa Picker
Date: 26 Jan 01 - 12:54 PM

You know, a cowboy guitar (regardless of make/model) should really have a sunburst finish.


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Subject: RE: Gettin' a 'Cowboy Geetar'! Any thoughts?
From: richardw
Date: 26 Jan 01 - 01:08 PM

Justa; Naw, a real cowboy guitar should be chucked in a corral with a horse first. Like Glen Ford did with his new hat in some move or other. Always remember that scene. Never trust a new hat.

Rick; Yes, there was a thread for a while on Rough But Honest Miner, with good words from Joe Offer and Mike Regenstreff. Who could believe it would have died ?

Richard Wright


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Subject: RE: Gettin' a 'Cowboy Geetar'! Any thoughts?
From: GUEST,Tucker
Date: 27 Jan 01 - 08:42 AM

Hey..me Tucker..the one askin' about the geetar.

Yup..know about cowboys and banjos...that's why I bought a 60's FW5 open backed Vega at a pawn shop in LA...played it..knew I had to have it..that simple. Already got me a number of original tunes on it.

But back to geetars. As Mr. Fielding said... I found me a sunburst (I agree "picker") 1965 J45 that I really like. Seller might be over pricing...I'm not sure. Was $2,800...got him down to $2,000 (canadian). I checked the internet and $1,600 U.S. would be the average price I saw. If this is the case and this guitar has no structural problems, then it seems like the price might be ok...what do y'all think? Only thing noticable to me was a crackly varnish and a B string that might not be holding tune...I wonder because the guitar was in perfect tune when I played it except for the B string which was off by half.

Advice anyone?

Tucker (again, Spaw, thanks for all the links ya been sending..'preciate it.)


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Subject: RE: Gettin' a 'Cowboy Geetar'! Any thoughts?
From: JedMarum
Date: 27 Jan 01 - 09:43 AM

I just sold a beautiful 1968 Gibson Heritage to a friend. It was very high mileage, but good condition - and the sound was, well; it just had to be heard. Superb sound. Looks like, from some of these links posted here I couldda got a lot more for it.

sorry for the thread creep.


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Subject: RE: Gettin' a 'Cowboy Geetar'! Any thoughts?
From: catspaw49
Date: 27 Jan 01 - 09:56 AM

No need to for you to apologize for me Jed.

Spaw -- (one of the resident "Thread Creeps")


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Subject: RE: Gettin' a 'Cowboy Geetar'! Any thoughts?
From: GUEST,TUCKER
Date: 04 Feb 01 - 08:49 AM

Well I picked a geetar and I am mighty happy... a 1950 SJ with a whole lot of character. It will be this cowboy's little buddy for life.

Thank you all fer yer support and thoughts on this.

Tucker


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Subject: RE: Gettin' a 'Cowboy Geetar'! Any thoughts?
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 04 Feb 01 - 12:57 PM

Watching Tucker walk through this amazing door, with all the wonders beyond it, reminds me of my own reactions when i was 15! Long live living vicariously!

Rick


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Subject: RE: Gettin' a 'Cowboy Geetar'! Any thoughts?
From: GUEST,BOB BARNES
Date: 27 Sep 05 - 11:27 AM

HELLO
I FOUND YOUR LINK BY LOOKING UP TOBY STROUD, WHO WAS MY STEP-FATHER. I THINK I KNOW WHAT YOUR ARE TALKING ABOUT. THIS 1935 MARTIN D-45 IS IT A GUITAR? IS IT FOR SALE?

BOB BARNES


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Subject: RE: Gettin' a 'Cowboy Geetar'! Any thoughts?
From: GUEST,the gingerbeer cowboy
Date: 27 Sep 05 - 11:49 AM

yippie yi ay !!!!!


you lonesome cow ****ers


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Subject: RE: Gettin' a 'Cowboy Geetar'! Any thoughts?
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Sep 05 - 11:52 AM

http://members.aol.com/jvilguitar/


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