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BS: Opinion of Clinton???

Troll 21 Jan 01 - 09:29 PM
DougR 21 Jan 01 - 09:11 PM
kendall 21 Jan 01 - 05:19 PM
Skeptic 21 Jan 01 - 09:55 AM
Troll 20 Jan 01 - 04:17 PM
mousethief 19 Jan 01 - 05:24 PM
Troll 19 Jan 01 - 05:15 PM
Dunc 19 Jan 01 - 03:38 PM
Troll 19 Jan 01 - 03:26 PM
GUEST,Buddy 19 Jan 01 - 03:24 PM
Dunc 19 Jan 01 - 03:14 PM
kendall 19 Jan 01 - 02:00 PM
Troll 19 Jan 01 - 01:42 PM
mousethief 19 Jan 01 - 01:41 PM
GUEST,guestseuguest(intruder)geist 19 Jan 01 - 01:34 PM
mousethief 19 Jan 01 - 01:02 PM
Troll 19 Jan 01 - 01:01 PM
mousethief 19 Jan 01 - 12:55 PM
McGrath of Harlow 19 Jan 01 - 12:53 PM
Little Hawk 19 Jan 01 - 11:36 AM
Troll 19 Jan 01 - 10:01 AM
kendall 19 Jan 01 - 09:45 AM
GUEST,Poodlepup 19 Jan 01 - 09:31 AM
Troll 18 Jan 01 - 11:58 PM
kendall 18 Jan 01 - 11:51 PM
JamesJim 18 Jan 01 - 11:10 PM
mousethief 18 Jan 01 - 03:06 PM
kendall 18 Jan 01 - 02:57 PM
mousethief 18 Jan 01 - 02:23 PM
Troll 17 Jan 01 - 06:37 PM
Gervase 17 Jan 01 - 05:50 PM
Kim C 17 Jan 01 - 03:32 PM
McGrath of Harlow 17 Jan 01 - 01:55 PM
GUEST,kendall 17 Jan 01 - 01:44 PM
GUEST,petr 17 Jan 01 - 01:38 PM
GUEST,button 17 Jan 01 - 11:43 AM
GUEST,Russ 17 Jan 01 - 11:39 AM
Troll 17 Jan 01 - 11:39 AM
Wolfgang 17 Jan 01 - 10:08 AM
Gervase 17 Jan 01 - 09:44 AM
kendall 17 Jan 01 - 08:56 AM
Peg 16 Jan 01 - 11:44 PM
Troll 16 Jan 01 - 09:00 PM
SeanM 16 Jan 01 - 08:39 PM
kendall 16 Jan 01 - 08:26 PM
Troll 16 Jan 01 - 08:15 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: Opinion of Clinton???
From: Troll
Date: 21 Jan 01 - 09:29 PM

Flattery will get you a beer.
Skeptic, actually I DON'T have papers to prove it.
The cat ate them.

troll


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Subject: RE: BS: Opinion of Clinton???
From: DougR
Date: 21 Jan 01 - 09:11 PM

Kendall: A blow job isn't sex? When's the last time you had one in Luby's? :>)

Troll: You really are a wonder.

Incidentially, anybody read a newspaper lately?

DougR


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Subject: RE: BS: Opinion of Clinton???
From: kendall
Date: 21 Jan 01 - 05:19 PM

Well, the shrub is in the White House. It's a done deal. It reminds me of a quote from Omar Khayyam. The moving finger writes, and, having writ moves on
Nor all your piety or wit can lure it back
To cancel half a line, nor all your tears wash out a word of it.

I hope you Nader voters sleep better than I do.


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Subject: RE: BS: Opinion of Clinton???
From: Skeptic
Date: 21 Jan 01 - 09:55 AM

Or seem to be everywhere to those with half a wit or less?

A gentle reminder to all that Troll is often delusional; And has the papers to prove it.

Regards John


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Subject: RE: BS: Opinion of Clinton???
From: Troll
Date: 20 Jan 01 - 04:17 PM

They are everywhere to those that have the wit to see them.

troll ***** Alex, you are a GREAT straight man. Thanks for all the good lines.****


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Subject: RE: BS: Opinion of Clinton???
From: mousethief
Date: 19 Jan 01 - 05:24 PM

where?


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Subject: RE: BS: Opinion of Clinton???
From: Troll
Date: 19 Jan 01 - 05:15 PM

Great minds...

troll


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Subject: RE: BS: Opinion of Clinton???
From: Dunc
Date: 19 Jan 01 - 03:38 PM

The old music hall song was where I got the idea from.


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Subject: RE: BS: Opinion of Clinton???
From: Troll
Date: 19 Jan 01 - 03:26 PM

Dunc, The End Of Me Old Cigar is the title of an old music-hall song:
While I was out a-walking
One evening in the park
I came across a lady
A-standing in the dark.
She said,"Could you assist me,sir,
I've wandered rather far
So I takes a puff and I shows 'er the way
With the end of me old cigar.
Ch. Oh, the end of me old cigar.
Tra la la la la la
I takes a puff and I shows 'er the way
with the end of me old cigar!
That's not the first or only verse but I can't remember any more right now.

troll


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Subject: RE: BS: Opinion of Clinton???
From: GUEST,Buddy
Date: 19 Jan 01 - 03:24 PM

I love Bill uncondionally. He's keeping me and getting rid of that stupid Socks.


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Subject: RE: BS: Opinion of Clinton???
From: Dunc
Date: 19 Jan 01 - 03:14 PM

From a humble Scotsman's point of view, Bill did me a favour when he got involved with Monica. I was in the shower one night when for some strange reason I found myself thinking about Monica and cigars. Why that should be, I do not know. What I do know is that by the time I got out of the shower I had written a new song....the lyrics of which someone sent in to the Mudcat Cafe. I have been singing the song at every chance before Bill finally becomes Mr Clinton again. It was listed under I'M MONICA LEWINSKY by however sent the words in, but I prefer the title of "THE END OF MY OLD CIGAR".


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Subject: RE: BS: Opinion of Clinton???
From: kendall
Date: 19 Jan 01 - 02:00 PM

I'm afraid they are all tarred with the same brush folks. I didn't vote for Gore, I voted against Bush.


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Subject: RE: BS: Opinion of Clinton???
From: Troll
Date: 19 Jan 01 - 01:42 PM

Clinton and Nixon had totally different styles and to even attempt to compare them is difficult.
Nixon was cold, paranoid, and absolutely sure of the corectness of his decisions.
Clinton is, by all accounts, one of the most charming and likeable people you would ever want to meet. He puts people at ease and makes them feel that he genuinely cares about them. I have read this from people as diverse as John Travolta and Neil Boortz the Libertarian talk show host and Boortz does NOT like Clinton. Which is/was the biggest ego?
You tell me.

troll


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Subject: RE: BS: Opinion of Clinton???
From: mousethief
Date: 19 Jan 01 - 01:41 PM

That's why *I* voted for Gore, so you're spot-on in my case, intruder.

Alex


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Subject: RE: BS: Opinion of Clinton???
From: GUEST,guestseuguest(intruder)geist
Date: 19 Jan 01 - 01:34 PM

was my "bottom feeder" comment inaccurate?

no

was it a judgement?

absolutely

i know people who voted for gore because he has a "lower damage potential"

i predict that there will be NO blowjobs in the white house (that we find out about), but i'd head for the tall grass now.


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Subject: RE: BS: Opinion of Clinton???
From: mousethief
Date: 19 Jan 01 - 01:02 PM

You mean he was MORE of an egotist than Nixon? Hardly. Clinton didn't take all disagreement with himself as nearly tantamount to treason.

Alex


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Subject: RE: BS: Opinion of Clinton???
From: Troll
Date: 19 Jan 01 - 01:01 PM

Yeah but Clinton sorta set the curve, if you know what I mean.

troll


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Subject: RE: BS: Opinion of Clinton???
From: mousethief
Date: 19 Jan 01 - 12:55 PM

Show me anybody capable of becoming president of the USA who isn't an egotistical jerk. You have to really have a high opinion of yourself to even RUN for the job.

Alex


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Subject: RE: BS: Opinion of Clinton???
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 19 Jan 01 - 12:53 PM

Rhodes scholar, and charismatic egotistical jerk

Isn't that Kris Kristofferson? Maybe he'll be President some day.


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Subject: RE: BS: Opinion of Clinton???
From: Little Hawk
Date: 19 Jan 01 - 11:36 AM

Peg - Bunch of very good posts there. Bravo!

- LH


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Subject: RE: BS: Opinion of Clinton???
From: Troll
Date: 19 Jan 01 - 10:01 AM

Reagan had a lot to do with it. He built up the US military and initiated "Star Wars" (a mistake if ever there was one) and Russia went broke trying to keep up.
I can understand why the economy didn't leave skid marks outside your door, Kendall. Upturns are rarely as abrupt as downturns but any competent economic analyst will tell you that the upturn started on Bush Sr's watch.
The bombing of Lybia was meant to send a mesage that we were not going to be messed with. The death of an innocent child as a result was tragic.
Clintons bombing of the aspirin factory and his incursion into the Balkans were based on a need to divert attention from his own personal problems.
To me, there is a difference.

troll


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Subject: RE: BS: Opinion of Clinton???
From: kendall
Date: 19 Jan 01 - 09:45 AM

How about The Actor claiming credit for the fall of communism? and who bombed Kaddafes child? I remember Bush saying that the economy had turned the corner, well, it didnt leave any skid marks in front of my place. Lets face it, Bill Gates had much more to do with the economy than ANY politician. Furthermore, Lec Walesa and Grobechev get the credit for the fall of communism. The actor had little if anything to do with it.


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Subject: RE: : Opinion of Clinton???
From: GUEST,Poodlepup
Date: 19 Jan 01 - 09:31 AM

I thought he was fairly effective as a president. Definitely the Teflon Title should be surrendered by Reagan to Clinton. If he could have kept his pants up he would be remembered more favorably. I didn't really care, but it does look like CYA when he said he didn't have a relationship. And he was married to Hillary, with an impressionable teenager in the house. Very bad! Clinton both thrived and faltered in foreign policy. He pushed for peace in Ireland and Israel...maybe a little too hard. He needed to wear away the edges of the division instead of rushing in with a jackhammer. But Clinton was instrumental in opening the dialogue. In Russia, too, too many things were just out of Clinton's hands when it came to reform and influence. I do think he tried pretty hard to convince Russian leaders of the importance of free press, which still is in existence. The only place he won (economically) and failed (on human rights, miserably) was in China. I don't think "most favored nation status" should have been permanently granted to a communist country with such a dismal record of dealing with dissent. I think Clinton at home was a great pragmatist, and did have to walk a tightrope when it came to hostile Congressional blustering. It was like watching 150 hit men. The 1994 Congress was the worst. Kenneth Starr was the biggest waste of my tax dollars. So on the home front, except for generating scandals that cost zillions to investigate, I'd give Clinton a 9. His repoire with Tony Blair (both Oxford-educated lawyers married to lawyers) was great. They both liked to debate issues and laugh. I don't think Bush will have that luxery. On the economy: mediocre. But I do understand it's not popular to be concerned with the environment in this day and age.


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Subject: RE: BS: Opinion of Clinton???
From: Troll
Date: 18 Jan 01 - 11:58 PM

petr, Bush wasn't under oath. But, since Clinton is your boy I guess anything he did is a-ok, right?
About the only thing I see that Clinton did was to take credit for the economic recovery that started two years before he took office. Oh yes. And bomb an aspirin factory.
You want him? He's yours and welcome to him.

troll


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Subject: RE: BS: Opinion of Clinton???
From: kendall
Date: 18 Jan 01 - 11:51 PM

also Rhodes scholar, and charismatic egotistical jerk


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Subject: RE: BS: Opinion of Clinton???
From: JamesJim
Date: 18 Jan 01 - 11:10 PM

Two words come to mind. 1) Egotistical (2) Jerk

Jim


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Subject: RE: BS: Opinion of Clinton???
From: mousethief
Date: 18 Jan 01 - 03:06 PM

I do! I do! What do I win, Kendall?

Alex


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Subject: RE: BS: Opinion of Clinton???
From: kendall
Date: 18 Jan 01 - 02:57 PM

Does anyone remember when "The Actor" visited the SS graveyard in Bittburg?


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Subject: RE: BS: Opinion of Clinton???
From: mousethief
Date: 18 Jan 01 - 02:23 PM

Troll -- "put in a can of peaches" = "im-peach-ment"

Get it? It's a joke, son, a joke.

Alex


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Subject: RE: BS: Opinion of Clinton???
From: Troll
Date: 17 Jan 01 - 06:37 PM

Petr, what on EARTH are you talking about. It's hard to respond to something so cryptic.

troll


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Subject: RE: BS: Opinion of Clinton???
From: Gervase
Date: 17 Jan 01 - 05:50 PM

Kevin's right - if Slick Willy could find some way to meet all 250 million Americans in the flesh, you'd never get him out of the White House.
I remember him at the 50th anniversary events at Normandy, where he met the Rangers who stormed the cliffs at Point du Hoc - one of the most remarkables acts of heroism on a remarkable day. This was when the "draft dodger" label was stil firmly attached to him, and these gizzled old vets were distinctly wary of meeting some young pup who they thought had funked his duty.
Within minutes of meeting them he'd bonded and connected with each and every one of them, and some of those who were most vociferous in their criticism only minutes before were completely won over; some of them in tears at what they saw as his empathy and the way he managed to express the gratitude of another generation.
I'm not saying that's a good thing - in fact it could be seen as cynical by the Republicans among you - but, hell, does that guy have charisma.
It was the same at Rabin's funeral on Mt Herzl; a difficult time politically for at least four nations, but WJC, through sheer force of personality, managed to bring together some very disparate types using old fashioned toughy-feely politics and body language.
As I said earlier, flawed, but capable of being inspirational. I couldn't help but love the guy and hate myself for doing so!


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Subject: RE: BS: Opinion of Clinton???
From: Kim C
Date: 17 Jan 01 - 03:32 PM

heheheheh the prosecutors obviously don't get much do they heheheheheh


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Subject: RE: BS: Opinion of Clinton???
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 17 Jan 01 - 01:55 PM

The crucial thing with the election wasn't actually how the votes might turn out in the end - it was that one of the candidates who was ahead tried to stop the counting because he was worried that a full count might turn the result round.

The fact that it was Bush rather than Gore didn't affect the principle. Anyone who acts like that isn't fit to be elected sewage-disposal officer.

Clinton? Apart from Northern Ireland a bit of a waste of space, but that's quite a big "apart from". I reckon he'll be back in the White House in time, maybe as VP, or perhaps they'll change the rules so that it's only more than two consecutive term that are forbidden.


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Subject: RE: BS: Opinion of Clinton???
From: GUEST,kendall
Date: 17 Jan 01 - 01:44 PM

How about we all calm down and wait for the "Sunshine law" to finish? Then we will know who won.


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Subject: RE: BS: Opinion of Clinton???
From: GUEST,petr
Date: 17 Jan 01 - 01:38 PM

hey troll, now that we know that Bush lied about the dui conviction should we put him in a can of peaches too? Get real.


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Subject: RE: BS: Opinion of Clinton???
From: GUEST,button
Date: 17 Jan 01 - 11:43 AM

The first Mr. Bush had a girlfriend for years. When it was discovered and reported the reporter lost his job.

When a leader of a foriegn country said, can I invade Kuwait? the old bastard said sure, go ahead. Then proceeded to blow up 4 or 5 nations substance in effort to look like some righteous person. He is a murderer and a thief. At least so far, the son is just a thief.

Bill Clinton has a God to judge his morals. I sent him to Washington to do a job. He did it Very Well.


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Subject: RE: BS: Opinion of Clinton???
From: GUEST,Russ
Date: 17 Jan 01 - 11:39 AM

I found him by far the most polished and interesting speaker since Kennedy. Loved that Arkansas accent. His entertainment value was unprecedented. Bush seems so one-dimensional compared to Clinton. I was usually bored with the media coverage of Clinton's peccadilloes and by the pontificating about them, but I was never bored with him, even when I didn't approve. I have positive feelings about his political track record, especially foreign policy. I think he manged to accomplished a lot in spite of himself. I'll miss him and I didn't even vote for him.


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Subject: RE: BS: Opinion of Clinton???
From: Troll
Date: 17 Jan 01 - 11:39 AM

The "legal" votes gave Bush a six vote advantage. The way the count was run and the things that would be counted were not set by me. They were set by the agencies and media doing the count.
You can "what if" until you are blue in the face and it won't change a thing.
Would you would like to go back and recount using a different standard for what constitutes a legitimate vote? In that case you might very well come up with a majority for Gore. That is basically what the Democartic praty tried to do in the first place; change the rules until our guy wins.
The fact that voting mishaps were greater in black precincts merely says that the people in those precincts didn't pay attention to what they were doing and failed to follow directions. It is the duty of the voter to be prepared, to read and understand the directions and to seek aid if they do not. If a voter fails to do this, how can it be the fault of a candidate?
By all means, you should NEVER believe anything you read without checking it out for yourself. Thats common sense. I have my own agenda, of course and will report as much or as little as I wish.
Your report and comentary of my posting Wolfgang does not change a single thing.Bush picked up six more votes. The rest is fluff which tries to minimize that fact. The rules were agreed upon beforehand. The results are plain.

troll


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Subject: RE: BS: Opinion of Clinton???
From: Wolfgang
Date: 17 Jan 01 - 10:08 AM

Troll wrote on 16th of January the Palm Beach Post said, in a very small article today that the Miami-Dade undercount has been completed. Bush picked up six (6) votes..

Well, I found the article 'the hard way' in the January, 14th edition (maybe when you wrote 'today' you meant 'today ago', grin).

-Troll doesn't tell us, that the six votes only refer to a recount of dimples and chads: If everything were counted -- from the faintest dimple to chads barely hanging on ballots -- 251 additional votes would have gone to Bush and 245 more would have gone to Gore

-Troll could have told us from that same article that at least 2,257 voters apparently poked at their ballot cards without properly inserting them into the voting machines. Miami-Dade County Elections Supervisor David Leahy said that's because the voters failed to follow directions.

Of these miscast votes, 302 more would have gone for Gore than Bush. But troll didn't tell us that.

-Troll could have told us that the Post review, however, found that the rate of voting mishaps was greater in black-majority precincts than elsewhere.. But troll didn't tell us that.

Don't trust troll to give you a balanced view even if the information looks like a direct citation from a newspaper. Judge for yourself: Palm Beach Post (14th of January).

Wolfgang


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Subject: RE: BS: Opinion of Clinton???
From: Gervase
Date: 17 Jan 01 - 09:44 AM

I'm a big fan of WJC.
I finished reading Primary Colors on the train this morning, and emerged liking the guy even more. Yes, he's fallible, has his brains in his penis and isn't above a little economy with the truth - but what politician ever is.
I do think he actually cared, and wanted to help those at the bottom of the pile. I was fortunate enough to do a couple of press trips with him, and the guy had the most astonishing charisma - he was addicted to human touch, and would talk to and warm to people even if there were no hacks or cameraman around.
It's just too bad the poor sod couldn't have been president at another time, when the media and the world at large may have been more tolerant. I sometimes wonder how even FDR would stand up to the modern spotlight...


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Subject: RE: BS: Opinion of Clinton???
From: kendall
Date: 17 Jan 01 - 08:56 AM

Dont shut up Peg! 1st amendment and all...


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Subject: RE: BS: Opinion of Clinton???
From: Peg
Date: 16 Jan 01 - 11:44 PM

kat: you crack me up! You've got the job if you want it. If I win you can be my press secretary!

Scott: would gladly remove McDonald's from the UK, no problem.

When I was in Salisbury in October, was looking for a place to get some dinner late one night. I asked a pub owner if any pubs were still serving, and he said I'd just missed it, but there was a McDonald's, a Burger King, etc etc.

I said, you DO know I'm an American right? yeh, he said. I said, well, I don't eat that crap in the States, I sure as hell didn't cross the ocean to eat it! He laughed and pointed me towards the Indian place next door...

about Monica:

Not to get cruder than absolutely necessary (then again look at who I'm talking to here!), but she couldn't have been *that* good, if the president was always using his sink to finish the job...if you know what I mean.

Okay, I better shut up before I get in trouble.

Back to watching the Ashcroft scandal on Nightline...


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Subject: RE: BS: Opinion of Clinton???
From: Troll
Date: 16 Jan 01 - 09:00 PM

Fair enough Sean. Thanks.

troll


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Subject: RE: BS: Opinion of Clinton???
From: SeanM
Date: 16 Jan 01 - 08:39 PM

Troll,

To be honest, I don't have solid reasons. 's why it's my opinion... I just feel very strongly that while I don't believe he would violate any laws that he does not agree with, I fully believe him capable and willing of classifying any abortion issue crimes and the like as "not priority" and letting the issue fall away.

M


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Subject: RE: BS: Opinion of Clinton???
From: kendall
Date: 16 Jan 01 - 08:26 PM

Not according to what I've been reading Troll.. And, as I stated before, within the narrow definition which the PROSECUTORS put forth, he did not lie.


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Subject: RE: BS: Opinion of Clinton???
From: Troll
Date: 16 Jan 01 - 08:15 PM

Once again, Clinton was impeached because he lied under oath. What he lied about doesn't amount to a pinch of shit in the wind. He took an oath to tell the truth and then he lied. THAT'S why he was impeached.
For petes sake, do your homeword instead of listening to the spin.
SeanM, Why don't you believe Ashcroft will uphold the laws even if he doesn't agree with them? He did it in Missouri as Governor and as Atourney General. He did it as a Senator.
Why not now?

troll


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Subject: RE: BS: Opinion of Clinton???
From: GUEST,petr
Date: 16 Jan 01 - 08:06 PM

ok re: 'gore lost the election' I stand corrected, it wasnt a stolen election as that implies that its illegal rather it was appropriated by the supreme court jesters (in their lame, completely partisan decision). As more nationwide results trickle in the total lead is over 530,000 more votes for Gore than Bush. despite all the talk about bipartisanship Bush is acting like he won a landslide rather than squeaked through.

the republican campaign to impeach and discredit Clinton suffered a big blow () when one of the top Republicans admitted to having committed adultery. (He then withdrew his nomination for house leader- would have been a bit hypocritical. Lets face it the republicans were trying to dig up anything they could on Clinton and all they got was a bit of hanky panky.

Conversely during the Iran-Contra scandal Bush and Reagan got off (cause Reagan coudnt remember anything and Bush didnt know) does anyone really believe that.

and does anyone think that the Iran Contra affair was less important than Clintons fancy footwork on the semantics of fellatio. Get real..


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Subject: RE: BS: Opinion of Clinton???
From: SeanM
Date: 16 Jan 01 - 07:17 PM

Actually, the media I've seen is reporting several of Ashcroft's previous statements made while a Senator about his strong beliefs and his stated beliefs that the laws that he'll be expected to uphold are wrong.

They are also reporting his statements made during his confirmation hearing that he'll uphold them equally even if he doesn't believe in them.

It's all about whether you believe him or not.

I don't.

M


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Subject: RE: BS: Opinion of Clinton???
From: Troll
Date: 16 Jan 01 - 07:12 PM

Clinton didn't get impeached for getting a bj in the oval office. He was impeached for lieing under oath. Believe it or not, all spin aside, there IS a difference.
BTW, the Palm Beach Post said, in a very small article today that the Miami-Dade undercount has been completed.
Bush picked up six (6) votes.
Accept it Kevin. Gore lost.Fair and square. By our rules, he lost. The count is proving it.
The groups accusing Florida of dis-enfranchising black voters are having their day in court. The NAACP is not there. Jesse Jackson is not there. They have not produced one, single black voter who was eligible to vote who was not allowed to.
Not one.
One man was on the list as a felon. A call to the supervisor of elections fixed that.
He voted.
A black lady was stopped by a police roadblock and asked for her drivers license. She produced it and went on her way.
She voted.
Where is the media with its front-page banner headlines, its TV talking heads, spreading this news?
You tell me. I've had to dig this stuff out the hard way. The media is out reporting how awful it is thet Ashcroft believes in God.
This is the same media that praised Gore for choosing Joe Lieberman, an Orthodox Jew, as his running mate and they didn't blink an eye when he talked about HIS belief in God during the campaign.
Go figure.

troll


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Subject: RE: BS: Opinion of Clinton???
From: SeanM
Date: 16 Jan 01 - 06:57 PM

Why do I get some odd image of an entire world leader teleconference, all with appropriate interns at the same time, breaking into song and dance?

"HummerGate, the Musical!"

AAAAAUUUUGGGGGHHH!!!

M


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