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Greg F. 04 Nov 00 - 11:07 PM
Thomas the Rhymer 05 Nov 00 - 12:22 AM
GUEST,truckerdave 05 Nov 00 - 01:00 AM
DougR 05 Nov 00 - 01:56 AM
CarolC 05 Nov 00 - 04:41 AM
kendall 05 Nov 00 - 07:21 AM
bob schwarer 05 Nov 00 - 07:29 AM
GUEST,Rodney DougR-field 05 Nov 00 - 08:37 AM
bob schwarer 05 Nov 00 - 10:03 AM
Walter Corey 05 Nov 00 - 10:46 AM
M. Ted (inactive) 05 Nov 00 - 01:00 PM
kendall 05 Nov 00 - 01:34 PM
DougR 05 Nov 00 - 01:48 PM
Thomas the Rhymer 05 Nov 00 - 02:01 PM
M. Ted (inactive) 05 Nov 00 - 02:07 PM
kendall 05 Nov 00 - 02:08 PM
GUEST,Stackly 05 Nov 00 - 02:17 PM
Whistle Stop 06 Nov 00 - 01:11 PM
kendall 06 Nov 00 - 01:32 PM
mousethief 06 Nov 00 - 01:40 PM
Penny S. 06 Nov 00 - 01:41 PM
Thomas the Rhymer 06 Nov 00 - 01:56 PM
DougR 06 Nov 00 - 02:15 PM
mousethief 06 Nov 00 - 02:18 PM
Ebbie 06 Nov 00 - 02:26 PM
DougR 06 Nov 00 - 02:46 PM
Jim Dixon 06 Nov 00 - 02:49 PM
Greg F. 06 Nov 00 - 03:11 PM
Greg F. 06 Nov 00 - 03:31 PM
McGrath of Harlow 06 Nov 00 - 04:07 PM
McGrath of Harlow 06 Nov 00 - 04:14 PM
Greg F. 06 Nov 00 - 04:21 PM
McGrath of Harlow 06 Nov 00 - 04:57 PM
DougR 06 Nov 00 - 07:45 PM
Bill D 06 Nov 00 - 07:56 PM
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Ebbie 06 Nov 00 - 08:34 PM
McGrath of Harlow 06 Nov 00 - 09:15 PM
M. Ted (inactive) 06 Nov 00 - 09:20 PM
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Subject: Dubbya, Gore and DUI, CONT'D.
From: Greg F.
Date: 04 Nov 00 - 11:07 PM

First Part HERE


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Subject: RE: BS: Dubbya, Gore and DUI, CONT'D.
From: Thomas the Rhymer
Date: 05 Nov 00 - 12:22 AM

Well now....,

Did anyone see Bush's paid political speach that was played on the networks? It was long, and he read it from a prompter by the camera... I can still see his eyes twitching! The approach he took was generally fumbling over words and dull, the word choices were unnaural to him and it may have contained words he didn't understand or use... at least that's what it sounded like.

DUI. Lying about it. Playing the "character card" like it was trump... Allowing his handlers to tell him what to "think", hiding behind "not leaving any kids behind" with the CEO's and their tedious strings attached... Why yes, it is true! Bush is a puppet dictator waiting to be born! He has no creativity, no origionality, and maybe no conscience either... polution and death in Texas... But by golly the boy EVENTUALLY does what he is told...

I for one, would like to see Clinton discuss nuts-and-bolts with Bush on policy, foreign policy, human rights, economics, political history, etc.... Clinton is a Rhodes scholar! He did his homework! Bush on the other hand... He is simply an idiot. The lights are on, but there is noone home. His convictions are mostly vague " 'cause I belong in the White House, that's why..." arguements. Bush is bunk.

The people who want him in office are just plain "out of touch". It is as if they are saying... "BRING ON THE 1984 VERSION OF OUR DISNEY_WORLD STYLE SUBURBAN RETIREMENT THEME_PARK!" "...OH,... AND ONLY THE VERY WEALTHY NEED APPLY". Anyone remember "TRICKLE DOWN"?


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Subject: RE: BS: Dubbya, Gore and DUI, CONT'D.
From: GUEST,truckerdave
Date: 05 Nov 00 - 01:00 AM

i always wondered what kind of people would vote for clinton if he could run for a third term, now i know.


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Subject: RE: BS: Dubbya, Gore and DUI, CONT'D.
From: DougR
Date: 05 Nov 00 - 01:56 AM

Yep, Trucker Dave, these woods are full of 'em.

DougR


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Subject: RE: BS: Dubbya, Gore and DUI, CONT'D.
From: CarolC
Date: 05 Nov 00 - 04:41 AM

Aw...what the hell...


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Subject: RE: BS: Dubbya, Gore and DUI, CONT'D.
From: kendall
Date: 05 Nov 00 - 07:21 AM

nice job Carol


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Subject: RE: BS: Dubbya, Gore and DUI, CONT'D.
From: bob schwarer
Date: 05 Nov 00 - 07:29 AM

Why does Al Gore say one thing, when the truth is another? Take for instance Gore's attacks on the Texas record. Looks like he had a different opinion in a White House press release. Look what Calvin Woodward of the Associated Press had to say about Gore's stand on the Texas record: "After all the bad things Al Gore has been saying about the state of George W. Bush's Texas, it seems conditions there are on the mend after all. Says who? The Clinton-Gore administration. The White House has a Web section listing "Clinton-Gore administration accomplishments" state by state. Some of the headlines for Texas sound like a campaign ad that could be run by Gov. Bush, the Republican presidential candidate, and not at all like the Texas that Gore is describing in his Democratic campaign. The White House says of the state: –"More high-quality teachers with smaller classes for Texas' schools." –"Crime falls 15 percent in Texas." –"496,746 fewer people on welfare." –"Health care for nearly 50,900 uninsured Texas children." –"More toddlers are being immunized." –"Child support collections up 178 percent." –"2,005,800 new jobs." –"Homeownership has increased in Texas." –"11 toxic waste sites cleaned up." -Calvin Woodward, Associated Press


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Subject: RE: BS: Dubbya, Gore and DUI, CONT'D.
From: GUEST,Rodney DougR-field
Date: 05 Nov 00 - 08:37 AM

Bob-

Thats just an article in the paper!! [rim shot] just one man's opinion [rim shot, rim shot]

Easy. Dubya had absolutely nothing to do with the improvements! He voted against most of them. Check your facts.
Ahhh, Alfred E. Dumbya don't get no respect! [rim shot]


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Subject: RE: BS: Dubbya, Gore and DUI, CONT'D.
From: bob schwarer
Date: 05 Nov 00 - 10:03 AM

Hell, most of what we hear is one man's opinion. Or a comittee which is the same thing. As they say, everyone has an opinion, etc.

Bob S.


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Subject: RE: BS: Dubbya, Gore and DUI, CONT'D.
From: Walter Corey
Date: 05 Nov 00 - 10:46 AM

Since it was George Senior's sellout to Reagan that turned me from a slightly right leaning Independent into a fervent and registered Democrat, I note with irony (and embarrassment) that George W. was born in my original hometown of New Haven, Conn. and that the Bush family compound lies just a few short miles from my new hometown of Kennebunk. I am "from away" and will never be a true Mainer like Kendall, but I am really appreciating his short and to the point comments in this and other threads.

In this complicated world we must consider who will do the least damage, and that, in my opinion, is Gore. Though he has many shortcomings, he has promised to make campaign financing reform a top priority. This alone should elect the man, because without it we have nothing. We complain about the lack of choice, and refuse to change the system that is bringing about that lack.

I was originally skeptical that the drunk driving arrest had relevancy, but am becoming convinced that it has. It is truly criminal behavior and could have resulted in a terrible tragedy, a la Ted Kennedy. By his own admission, even this didn't slow down the drinking until 1986. We're not talking about a kid here.

I guess I am angriest about the hypocrisy that this shows. For years Republicans like Gingrich and Hyde have been preaching the integrity issue only to have their own feet of clay betray them. W. apparently learned nothing from their mistakes.

I cannot trust this man. I do not want his finger on the button. I do not want the NRA boasting about working directly out of the Oval Office. I do not like the Texas "kill 'em all and let God sort 'em out" approach to criminal justice. I do not want him giving away the recent and projected surpluses to the ultra rich before we start to pay off the National Debt. I do not want his big oil cronies writing the environmental laws and making the rest of country look like Texas. I do not want fundamentalists running the Supreme Court and gutting civil rights for those who don't fit their standards. I do not want to be governed by "compassionate- conservatives" that can make the leap from "right to life" to the death penalty and easy access to Uzis.

I will vote for Gore and urge others to do the same. Nader may be a good man, and I wish we had an electoral system that would give him an honest chance. But we don't, and I cannot risk casting a vote that will put Bush closer to the White House.


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Subject: RE: BS: Dubbya, Gore and DUI, CONT'D.
From: M. Ted (inactive)
Date: 05 Nov 00 - 01:00 PM

Bush.Jr. never fails to disappoint--it is overlooked that his oil business was a financial disaster for all who were involved, because he was a master at digging dry wells,--

His oil company was was totering on insolvency and suddenly got a lucrative oil lease in the Persian Gulf--all the big companies were after it, but somehow, the Arab Oil Sheiks found their way to the bottom of the deck, and handed him what was essentially a license to make money, except that, to everyone's amazement,GW and company kept coming up dry, and the whole enterprise eventually folded--


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Subject: RE: BS: Dubbya, Gore and DUI, CONT'D.
From: kendall
Date: 05 Nov 00 - 01:34 PM

Now for the other shoe. I saw a reporter on local TV last night who said he had the oui thing two months ago. His editor suggested they not run it. Now, it comes out that W has been arrested not once, but three times! On top of that, the guy who broke the story has had numerous death threats to him and his family.
Now, I ask you what kind of screwed up priorities do we have when a liar and a drunk (two drunks if you count Cheney) can be president, and the man who simply uncovers the truth gets death threats?>br> Beam me up Scottie, there is no intelligent life here.


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Subject: RE: BS: Dubbya, Gore and DUI, CONT'D.
From: DougR
Date: 05 Nov 00 - 01:48 PM

Gee, Kendall, you must receive only local news up there in Maine. None of the talk shows this morning mentioned the other two arrests for Bush. Guess the news hasn't hit the networks yet.

Guest, Stackley: Fun is fun, but don't use my name in your messages!

CarolC: Once was not enough, huh?

DougR


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Subject: RE: BS: Dubbya, Gore and DUI, CONT'D.
From: Thomas the Rhymer
Date: 05 Nov 00 - 02:01 PM

Yep, these woods are full of intelligent, insightful, and personally empowered people, who are not ashamed of their own opinoins... and, consequently,... have worked out some. Big media disinformation makes the rest of us docile...

Right on Ted! that bushy business is the most clear indicator of all... the idiot light...


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Subject: RE: BS: Dubbya, Gore and DUI, CONT'D.
From: M. Ted (inactive)
Date: 05 Nov 00 - 02:07 PM

DougR--Check the Michael Moore letter that is posted in the beginning of this thread for info on the other arrests--Also, look up Molly Ivans, who wrote about much of this stuff while "Dubious" was exclusively Texas' problem--she has repeatedly invited the national press to read what the Texas press has had to say about him--unfortunately, they haven't--


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Subject: RE: BS: Dubbya, Gore and DUI, CONT'D.
From: kendall
Date: 05 Nov 00 - 02:08 PM

I also saw and heard it on national Fox news this morning. It was a call in show, and some guy from Texas said it again..W has been arrested three times..drunk and disorderly, drunk driving and I believe it was some minor thievery when he was young. Dont forget Doug, this is where the story first broke. That lawyer may be a loose cannon, but, he does not deserve death threats for telling the truth. Believe me, this guy is not mainstream democratic politics here.


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Subject: RE: BS: Dubbya, Gore and DUI, CONT'D.
From: GUEST,Stackly
Date: 05 Nov 00 - 02:17 PM

Sorry, Rodney! I thought your name was Doug.
Cheers.


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Subject: RE: BS: Dubbya, Gore and DUI, CONT'D.
From: Whistle Stop
Date: 06 Nov 00 - 01:11 PM

I just think this proves George W. is a man of conviction.

I do not question that drunk driving is a serious crime. But it is also a very common crime, and one that was not generally considered quite so serious back in 1976 (perhaps the high-water mark for the celebration of substance abuse in America -- coincidentally, the year I got my driver's license, AND the year I became old enough to drink legally). If everyone honestly answered the question "Have you ever driven drunk?", most people would have to say yes. As far as I am concerned, getting caught is a matter of luck, not virtue; the important question is whether you ever committed the crime. An awful lot of us have been guilty of this at one time or another, and are not proud of it now -- just like George W.

Should he suffer for trying to claim the moral high ground in this election ("I'll restore honor and integrity to the White House") and getting caught? I suppose so. But really, we should all refuse to believe this "moral high ground" stuff anyway, regardless of who claims it. Anyone who insists on telling me all about his superior virtue is automatically suspect in my eyes. The truly virtuous ones have no need to proclaim it. I really wonder how many people there are who believed George W. when he proclaimed his virtue, and are now disillusioned. My guess is that there aren't many.

George W. should lose the election because he isn't capable enough to be a good President, and because he is proposing things that will be bad for the country. Not because he got caught drinking and driving back in the 70's.


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Subject: RE: BS: Dubbya, Gore and DUI, CONT'D.
From: kendall
Date: 06 Nov 00 - 01:32 PM

Again I say..it is NOT the oui..HE LIED. He didnt just forget to mention it..when asked point blank He Lied. Thats what I have against him. It seems that all those people who have driven while drinking are willing to forget that W did it.. I have never driven drunk.Consequently, I will never have to lie about it. Maybe I should run for president? I wonder if the crude remark I made would hurt me? It probably would, so, oh the hell with it, I'll just get drunk and go for a ride. That, they will forgive.


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Subject: RE: BS: Dubbya, Gore and DUI, CONT'D.
From: mousethief
Date: 06 Nov 00 - 01:40 PM

1. I have never driven drunk or even tipsy;

2. "The louder he talked of his honor, the faster we counted our spoons." --Emerson

Alex
O..O
=o=


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Subject: RE: BS: Dubbya, Gore and DUI, CONT'D.
From: Penny S.
Date: 06 Nov 00 - 01:41 PM

Can I have a vote? This guy threatens my future.....

Penny


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Subject: RE: BS: Dubbya, Gore and DUI, CONT'D.
From: Thomas the Rhymer
Date: 06 Nov 00 - 01:56 PM

I drove drunk once... But it was on an old dirt road noone lived on. It was late. I woke up in the ditch I had backed into, and had proceeded to get stuck in... No phones. No people. Two crabby drunks trying to sleep in a tottering truck stuck in a ditch at a fourty five degree angle, with noone for miles... I still have the truck,... complete with the "v" cut into the rear bumper by the running start of my "day after" tow rope pal...

Drinking and driving... BAD MIX. Drinking causes a lot of problems for a lot of people. Bush will make more.


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Subject: RE: BS: Dubbya, Gore and DUI, CONT'D.
From: DougR
Date: 06 Nov 00 - 02:15 PM

I realize that nothing I say will convince you, but if GWB has been arrested as many times as Molly Ivans, a flaming liberal columnist, or the fellow who "called" from Texas or anybody else has reported, the mainstream press would be on that like flies on "you know what!"

Some folks will say anything or do anythng to besmirch the reputation of our next President!

DougR


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Subject: RE: BS: Dubbya, Gore and DUI, CONT'D.
From: mousethief
Date: 06 Nov 00 - 02:18 PM

Yes, Doug, we discovered with Clinton that people who hate a person will do whatever they can to besmirch his reputation. This is not new news.

Alex
O..O
=o=


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Subject: RE: BS: Dubbya, Gore and DUI, CONT'D.
From: Ebbie
Date: 06 Nov 00 - 02:26 PM

Doug, it just occurs to me that I've never asked you why you are for Bush. You're a reasonable person; you must have reasons- would you articulate them?

Ebbie


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Subject: RE: BS: Dubbya, Gore and DUI, CONT'D.
From: DougR
Date: 06 Nov 00 - 02:46 PM

Ebbie: research my threads. I've probably answered this question before. Bush is the more conservative of the two. I am a conservative republican. I replied to a similar query from Rick several months ago about why I favor conservatism over liberalism.

I read the Michael Moore "thing" in the early part of this thread. If I quoted a conservative commentater or writer on this forum, and asked that the majority of you give serious credence to what he/she said, I would be able to hear the laughter all the way out here in the desert! Funny.

It appears to me that many of you, who so long have preached that Bush is out of touch with the voters (Mousetheif), and could not possibly be elected, are hitting the panic button because you may have been wrong. We will know Wednesday, won't we?

DougR


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Subject: RE: BS: Dubbya, Gore and DUI, CONT'D.
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 06 Nov 00 - 02:49 PM

Yes, I agree, drunk driving is a serious crime, but we must admit that attitudes have changed a lot over the years. Got time for a little story?

Around 1968 I was a student at Macalester College in St. Paul, MN, a liberal arts college known for its liberal-to-radical politics as well as high academic standards. The campus has a busy street, Grand Avenue, running right through it. One Friday evening, after dark, I was starting to walk across Grand Avenue when I came across the following scene:

A utility company had dug a big hole in the middle of the street and placed barricades around it with flashing lights. A drunk driver - an older man who probably had no connection to the college - had plowed through the barricades. His left front wheel had gone into the hole, and his car was now resting on its frame at the edge of the hole. Apparently no one was hurt. The driver had got out of his car, and was leaning on it to steady himself. A crowd of students had gathered around, and he was asking them to help get his car out of the hole. At that point, no one was doing anything, but some students were saying no, it was impossible, he'd have to call a tow truck.

At this point I dashed back to my dorm and called the police. I described what I had seen, and gave them my name, address, and phone number. Then I went back outside to watch what was going on.

By now the students had changed their minds, apparently, and had pushed his car out of the hole. At this time, I wrote down the car's license number. The driver got in his car and drove away while the students watched. He drove the length of the block ON THE WRONG SIDE OF THE STREET. When he came to the next intersection (with Snelling, another busy street) he made a wide sweeping turn to the right, from the left lane, and disappeared.

The crowd was dispersing now, but I asked one of the students, "Why did you help him?" He answered, "Oh, I just wanted to do a good deed. Now maybe he won't get in any trouble."

Because I had given my name to the police, and because I had the license number, I now felt obligated to wait until they arrived. I waited over half an hour AND THEY NEVER SHOWED UP. They never called me either. I kept the license number for a few days and eventually threw it away.

Apparently I was the ONLY one who called the police, because I was the only one who hung around after the car was gone.

I told this story mainly to illustrate how attitudes have changed. I'm rather sure the same thing wouldn't happen today.


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Subject: RE: BS: Dubbya, Gore and DUI, CONT'D.
From: Greg F.
Date: 06 Nov 00 - 03:11 PM

Doug,

Last I knew Molly Ivins wasn't running for president, not had she lied to the press about the arrests you CLAIM (without any substantiation), nor has she adopted the hypocritical posturing and posing that Dubya has. What's your mean-spirited comment supposed to prove?

That some people will say and/or do anything to pretend things are not as they really are?.

Best, Greg


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Subject: RE: BS: Dubbya, Gore and DUI, CONT'D.
From: Greg F.
Date: 06 Nov 00 - 03:31 PM

Sorry, Doug, its' your Dubya-esque command of the English language that had me confused. On re-reading it I see you're not asserting arrests for Ivins.

But two things:
1. It IS in the national media HERE as well as other places (try a search engine) and
2.Why do you all of a sudden give credence to the national media? Haven't you stated repeatedly that its "only an article by a reporter?" or words to that effect? Or does your position flip-flop back and forth as it suits your convenience?

Best, Greg


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Subject: RE: BS: Dubbya, Gore and DUI, CONT'D.
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 06 Nov 00 - 04:07 PM

"George W. is a man of conviction."

Surely that should be "George W is a man with convictions."

Michael Moore I suppose is what Americans call "a liberal" (these words mean something different in various countries" - here here's an article from someone who is quite a long way to the right of Michael Moore. In English terms I think Harold Evans would probably count as a moderate conservative, for what it's worth. Definitely some way to the right of centre. (But then, so is Al Gore)

Anyway he's a lot more detailed in his list of the really dodgy stuff Bush has got stuck into in his time. The headline gives the flavour: "A slavish press connives to hide GW's shady side."


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Subject: RE: BS: Dubbya, Gore and DUI, CONT'D.
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 06 Nov 00 - 04:14 PM

Actually there is one quote in that article that intrigues me: "It is an offence to apply for any federal office without divulging an arrest record."

Does that mean that even if Bush gets elected on Tuesday he can still be disqualified? After all that's what normally happens if it turns out you lied at a job interview. Even when they have offered you the job.


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Subject: RE: BS: Dubbya, Gore and DUI, CONT'D.
From: Greg F.
Date: 06 Nov 00 - 04:21 PM

McGrath:
I will bet you £10- that Doug comes back with:
1. "its only his opinion" or
2. "its only an article by a reporter" or
3. "its liberal bias in the press" or
4. all of the above.

Best, Greg


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Subject: RE: BS: Dubbya, Gore and DUI, CONT'D.
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 06 Nov 00 - 04:57 PM

I won't take you up on that bet, Greg...

Seems that if something isn't a matter of public record, it's just an opinion. If it is a matter of public record, it's a dirty trick.

I was just on the edge of submitting that when I noticed I'd written pubic instead of public there. Some subconscious reference to the name of one of those candidates I suppose...


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Subject: RE: BS: Dubbya, Gore and DUI, CONT'D.
From: DougR
Date: 06 Nov 00 - 07:45 PM

Nope, Greg F., McGrath, I'm going to disappoint you. I'm going to come back with nothing. I find your remarks not worth commenting on.

DougR


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Subject: RE: BS: Dubbya, Gore and DUI, CONT'D.
From: Bill D
Date: 06 Nov 00 - 07:56 PM

I can understand sweet old R. Reagan duping the public a few years ago, but I CANNOT comprehend what serious appeal Dubya has. I suspect that it is half just "I'll vote for anything Republican" one quarter "Gore is stiff & boring" and one quarter "I can't be bothered to really READ all the new stuff about G.W., it might make me have to re-think things!"


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Subject: RE: BS: Dubbya, Gore and DUI, CONT'D.
From: Greg F.
Date: 06 Nov 00 - 08:03 PM

He said with haughty disdain. ;-)Guess that shows us. Course, that's only your opinion.
But thanks for your non-comments, Doug.

Best, Greg


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Subject: RE: BS: Dubbya, Gore and DUI, CONT'D.
From: Ebbie
Date: 06 Nov 00 - 08:34 PM

You disappoint me, DR.

Ebbie


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Subject: RE: BS: Dubbya, Gore and DUI, CONT'D.
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 06 Nov 00 - 09:15 PM

I'll miss this, you know. Post mortems, recriminations, I told you so's...not the same at all.

We've got one coming up in a few months, so we could have a reunion.


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Subject: RE: BS: Dubbya, Gore and DUI, CONT'D.
From: M. Ted (inactive)
Date: 06 Nov 00 - 09:20 PM

McGrath--

I was in London during the summer, and was amazed at the contrast between the American coverage of the election campaign and the British coverage--it was refreshing to see that there were journalists who did not accept everything that Bush said with mindless enthusiasm--

Evans piece from the Guardian is hardly new information, and it was published with even more detail in J.H. Hatfield's book, "Fortunate Son: George W. Bush and the Making of an American President"--the book, however, was recalled and burned, before most Americans got a chance to read it, oddly enough(according to the publisher) because its author had been convicted of a felony, and had not admitted it when questioned by a reporter--


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Subject: RE: BS: Dubbya, Gore and DUI, CONT'D.
From: Troll
Date: 06 Nov 00 - 09:44 PM

Apparently the liberals hero, Al Gore, was a little less than candid about his own arrest record.He admitted to speeding tickets but "that's all". Now it turns out that they were a little more serious than mere speeding tickets. He was arrested twice in Tennessee for speeding. In one case he took out 70 feet of fence with a corvette while running from the police.
It would also appear that he was less than faithful to his wife on at least one ocassion. He was assigned -as a reporter- to do a story on a motorcycle gang called the Death Angels. He hung around them for a few days and was invited to a party they were throwing.
There he drank, smoked pot, fired a pistol belonging to one of the bikers inside the house (he missed), and then went into a back room with one of the biker chicks for a couple of hours.
This was in 1971, about 18 months after he married Tipper.
The story was told by a former member of the gang -now a minister who works with the homeless- who was present at the party.
Both of these stories and more may be found at: http://www.newsmax,com/showinsidecover
Read them if you want. Make of them what you will.

troll


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Subject: RE: BS: Dubbya, Gore and DUI, CONT'D.
From: Ebbie
Date: 06 Nov 00 - 09:54 PM

Troll, your link is not going through.

Ebbie


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Subject: RE: BS: Dubbya, Gore and DUI, CONT'D.
From: Bill D
Date: 06 Nov 00 - 10:15 PM

troll put a comma in his address, not a dot....and what you need is just the first part

http://www.newsmax.com/

interesting story....wonder if it is true. I suspect a LOT of big names had a bit of mis-spent youth.


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Subject: RE: BS: Dubbya, Gore and DUI, CONT'D.
From: Troll
Date: 06 Nov 00 - 10:22 PM

Thanks Bill. I'm the worlds crummiest proofreader. I have no way of checking the truth of either article, mores the pity.
You are most likely right. We never think that the totally STUPID things we do at 18 will show up on our doorsteps at 40.

troll


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Subject: RE: BS: Dubbya, Gore and DUI, CONT'D.
From: DougR
Date: 06 Nov 00 - 10:27 PM

Ebbie: I'm crushed. Greg F., Sorry to disappoint you. Troll: I put the same kind of credence on that story that I put on the extra arrests of Bush published by what's his name and what's her name.

I think people should vote for the candidate that best represents their point of view. Who gives a damn if they did the same things many of us did when we were young?

DougR


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Subject: RE: BS: Dubbya, Gore and DUI, CONT'D.
From: Troll
Date: 06 Nov 00 - 10:34 PM

Doug, I just thought Gore should get equal time. Since everyone was in such a flap about Bush, I figured I'd toss a chunk on the fire and see how high the sparks flew.
I may write in Cheney/Lieberman.

troll


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Subject: RE: BS: Dubbya, Gore and DUI, CONT'D.
From: DougR
Date: 07 Nov 00 - 01:09 AM

Troll: I know. You were just trying to be fair. Kind of a rare sort of thing here on the good old liberal Mudcat.

It wont' be too long now before we know who is going to be the next President. The Republic will survive, regardless of who wins.

DougR


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Subject: RE: BS: Dubbya, Gore and DUI, CONT'D.
From: Ebbie
Date: 07 Nov 00 - 02:49 AM

Well, I read it. It is a poor bit of 'reporting'. "Unimpeachable", but unnamed source. Right.

And in the late '60's is when this allegedly happened. Say that was 1968- 32 years ago. Captain Swift and Officer What's-his-name are still working the beat 32 years later. Right.

You don't get it, do you, Doug- you said you were going to disappoint Greg F, so I told you you disappoint me. In my case, I wasn't kidding. I expected better things from you than to just say you favor conservative causes and policies. Why do you favor them is what I was asking you. But never mind.

Ebbie


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Subject: RE: BS: Dubbya, Gore and DUI, CONT'D.
From: CarolC
Date: 07 Nov 00 - 03:06 AM

DougR,

...I guess not. Sorry.

Carol


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Subject: RE: BS: Dubbya, Gore and DUI, CONT'D.
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 07 Nov 00 - 09:36 AM

Those Gore stories sound like just the thing he needed to confess to in order to dispel that stuffy image. Pothead Al Gore and a biker chick... Naah, if that was true he'd have talked about it. And talked about it.

Along those lines, over here the Tory caretaker leader, William Hague (in case people haven't heard of him, which seems likely enough) has been trying to make play with the admission that he used to drink 14 pints a day when he were a lad. But it somehow just seems a bit ridiculous. Hague and fourteen pints of Yorkshire beer somehow doesn't sound raunchy, it just sounds absurd. You get the vision of him puking in a gutter at the end of the evening. Instead of Slick Willie, itt's Sick Willie.


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Subject: RE: BS: Dubbya, Gore and DUI, CONT'D.
From: Jim the Bart
Date: 07 Nov 00 - 09:47 AM

Since it's election day I'll make a prediction: If Bush wins he'll disappoint the real conservatives; If Gore wins he'll be exactly what we expected.

Vote early, vote often.


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Subject: RE: BS: Dubbya, Gore and DUI, CONT'D.
From: Troll
Date: 07 Nov 00 - 09:57 AM

You and me, Bart.

troll


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Subject: RE: BS: Dubbya, Gore and DUI, CONT'D.
From: MiriamKilmer
Date: 07 Nov 00 - 01:50 PM

Jim Dixon [Date: 06-Nov-00 - 02:49 PM]wrote:

"Yes, I agree, drunk driving is a serious crime, but we must admit that attitudes have changed a lot over the years. ....

"Around 1968 .... Apparently I was the ONLY one who called the police, because I was the only one who hung around after the car was gone....

"I told this story mainly to illustrate how attitudes have changed. I'm rather sure the same thing wouldn't happen today."

I wish that were true. I called the police to tell them about someone who was very slowly, deliberately, and crookedly, try after try, driving a car onto the sidewalk at a busy intersection. I called 5 minutes after I saw it happening ( I didn't have a car phone or CB), and gave the location and the licence number. The police would not do anything about it. They said 5 minutes was too long.

That was about ten years ago, by which time MAD was very active.

BTW, Tim just told me about another organization called "DAM" - Mothers against Dislexia."


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Subject: RE: BS: Dubbya, Gore and DUI, CONT'D.
From: DougR
Date: 07 Nov 00 - 08:06 PM

Ebbie: I truly am sorry to disappoint you, but frankly I'm getting tired of defending my position. It doesn't appear, according to what I'm hearing on TV, that it will make any difference anyway. It appears Gore is going to win. Congratulations to all of you who worked so hard to get your candidate elected. Especially Big Mick. I know you have worked tirelessly to get Gore elected. Good job, Mick!

I'm disappointed, but the country will survive.

DougR


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Subject: RE: BS: Dubbya, Gore and DUI, CONT'D.
From: Ebbie
Date: 07 Nov 00 - 08:14 PM

Is that a bit tongue in cheek, DougR?

Eb


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Subject: RE: BS: Dubbya, Gore and DUI, CONT'D.
From: Troll
Date: 07 Nov 00 - 10:08 PM

Doug, I HOPE we'll do better than just "survive".

troll


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Subject: RE: BS: Dubbya, Gore and DUI, CONT'D.
From: Little Hawk
Date: 07 Nov 00 - 10:26 PM

Yes, the country will survive. I have confidence in you Americans, because you are at heart a good and courageous people, although you're under a wretchedly phony political system that divides you against each other, and robs you blind. Darn right the country will survive!

It will grow up and truly prosper when you dump both the Republicans and Democrats forever and start over from scratch, with an electoral system that is funded from a public fund...with equal funding to all eligible candidates...rather than unequal funding by graft and corporate domination.

It is the buck that rules you, and as long as that is the case your "democracy" will be an empty exercise, a device to merely fool you into thinking you still have a voice.

To vote Democratic or Republican is as meaningless as it was to vote between 2 or 3 communist bureacrats put forward by the Central Committee of the Communist Party in Soviet Russia. Your vote is simply a rubber stamp for the corporate system and the status quo.

Best of luck. Remember 1776 and dare to dream.


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Subject: RE: BS: Dubbya, Gore and DUI, CONT'D.
From: DougR
Date: 08 Nov 00 - 12:04 AM

No, Ebbie, it was not tongue in cheek. I really thought, at the time I posted that message, that we had lost. I was listening to MSNBC who was so anxious to hand an easy victory over to Al Bore, and I thought it was all over.

Later, my daughter called me and said, "Dad, what are you doing?" I allowed as to how I was watching a video movie. She said, "Well, maybe you gave up too soon." So I tuned back in to the election returns, but I tuned in to CNN instead of MSNBC. Amazing what the difference is between the reporting services.

DougR


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