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Subject: Banned Music?
From: Victoria H.
Date: 07 Oct 00 - 09:49 PM

I have a friend who wants to incorporate a topic into her University class regarding banned music, and I am trying to aid her in a little research. I recalled a story regarding P.F. Sloan's "Eve of Destruction" (recorded by Barry McGuire) but am looking for other songs that have been banned in the history of our country and other countries as well, or writers/singers that were blacklisted as a result of songs they wrote or recorded. Can anyone help? The unit she is teaching is on banned books, but she would like to expand that topic to include other art forms as well. She is interested not only in contemporary, but in traditional songs as well. Any help would be appreciated, if anyone can suggest anything, I can send it on to her. Thanks! -Victoria


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Subject: RE: Banned Music?
From: bbelle
Date: 07 Oct 00 - 09:52 PM

Janis Ian's "Society's Child" was banned from most radio stations around the country, because it was about the relationship between a white girl and an African-American boy. Mid-1960's.

moonjen


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Subject: RE: Banned Music?
From: Sorcha
Date: 07 Oct 00 - 10:01 PM

Is she interested in as far back as the '50's? Woody Guthrie, Pete Seeger; lots of others were sucked into the McCarthy/Communisim business. From what Little Hawk says, Buffy St. Marie was (for all practical purposes) banned because of her involvement with the American Indian Movement.


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Subject: RE: Banned Music?
From: catspaw49
Date: 07 Oct 00 - 10:05 PM

Just refreshed an older thread for you...titled "banned songs".......Try it too.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: Banned Music?
From: Oversoul
Date: 07 Oct 00 - 10:36 PM

"Poor Ellen Smith"...there was a time when you could be fined $50 for singing it. I have the lyrics somewhere, and, of course, a recording by the New Lost City Ramblers.


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Subject: RE: Banned Music?
From: Rich(bodhránai gan ciall)
Date: 07 Oct 00 - 11:19 PM

Going a little further back, the whole practice of lilting aka mouth music in Ireland and Scotland, and the Appalachian play party game, were sprung for various times when the fiddle was banned as "a tool of the divil"

Rich


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Subject: RE: Banned Music?
From: Mbo
Date: 08 Oct 00 - 06:23 PM

"Lola" by the Kinks, because it mentions a brand name "Coca-Cola."


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Subject: RE: Banned Music?
From: Quincy
Date: 08 Oct 00 - 07:33 PM

I believe that the Paul McCartney and Wings song...Give Ireland back to the Irish was banned for a while.

Yvonne


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Subject: RE: Banned Music?
From: MudGuard
Date: 09 Oct 00 - 02:01 AM

Some years ago I bought a double cd in Dublin which had a sticker on it with some text similar to "This item is illegal in the UK. Do not bring this item to the UK". It was "The Fighting Men From Crossmaglen: 50 Complete Irish Rebel Songs".
Last year I was in the same shop and saw this same CD, but that time there was no sticker attached.

MudGuard


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Subject: RE: Banned Music?
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Oct 00 - 03:19 AM

Didn't Dougie McLean have the same problem somewhere with "Caledonia"??? That some stupid soccer fans who were bent on violence picked it up as their theme or that it was picked up by a beer add that soccer fans didn't take to well or something??

I seem to recall that there was some trouble over Caledonia at some point, but can't recall the details.. it may not have been banned outright...

Donno...

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Subject: RE: Banned Music?
From: Clinton Hammond2
Date: 09 Oct 00 - 03:27 AM

That was me above....

dang cookie crumbled!

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Subject: RE: Banned Music?
From: Lady McMoo
Date: 09 Oct 00 - 04:42 AM

The song McCafferty (or McCaffery in some versions) used to be banned by the British Army (and may still be for all I know) for its lyrics concerning injustice towards the lower ranks from the officer class.

Peace

mcmoo


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Subject: RE: Banned Music?
From: GUEST,Roger the skiffler
Date: 09 Oct 00 - 04:55 AM

I believe the mystery success of Jasper Carrot's record: "Funky moped" was because the other side was a wicked and funny parody of children's cartoon "Magic Roundabout" including words that mainstream radio stations wouldn't broadcast so the other side was the one that got played on "Top of the Pops" or "Pick of the Pops" type programmes. The success of the unplayed side was by word of mouth, live performances and probably pirate radio stations, and was a favourite of students. Strangely, this one isn't in my collection!
RtS ["Time for bed" said Zebedee]


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Subject: RE: Banned Music?
From: sian, west wales
Date: 09 Oct 00 - 04:55 AM

My sister told me that Black Day in July (Lightfoot) was banned - I suppose that was in the late 60s? She told me a lot of porky-pies, including that mohair sweaters were made from the hair of mo-s and I being gullible believed everything. Still, I can't think why she'd make the BDIJ up. But then, why would she have made up the bit about mohair?

Oh, and BBC Wales has banned songs by Dafydd Iwan before now. Dafydd isn't / wasn't known as Margaret Thatcher's biggest fan ... I understand that the ban did wonders for sales ...

sian


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Subject: RE: Banned Music?
From: SINSULL
Date: 09 Oct 00 - 08:26 AM

"Buddy Can You Spare A Dime" (written by the same man who write "Over The Rainbow" and whose name escapes me now) was banned during the depression. "Teen Angel" and "Running Bear" were banned (60s?) for promoting teenage suicide. Never figured out how going back for a ring could be interpreted as suicide but...


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Subject: RE: Banned Music?
From: bill\sables
Date: 09 Oct 00 - 08:40 AM

I don't know of any banned songs but I think melodeon players should be banned


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Subject: RE: Banned Music?
From: Susan of DT
Date: 09 Oct 00 - 08:42 AM

All these make good stories, but who "banned" these songs? The fact that certain stations wouldn't play them reflects more on the individual stations than on any actual ban. And, despite the popular story, McCafferty was never banned; it's remained quite well-known and quite popular for a couple of centuries. "Eve of Destruction" wasn't banned either; it got lots of airplay. So did "Brother an You Spare a Dime" during the Depression years.

Urban legends? (dick greenhaus--who forgot to change cookies)


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Subject: RE: Banned Music?
From: paddymac
Date: 09 Oct 00 - 09:02 AM

The Wolfe Tones did a song called "Rock on Rockall" about English efforts to extract oil from a tiny Island which Ireland claimed. I have heard them tell the story from the stage of how the British government banned that particular song from air play because they thought it seditious. The Dubliners had a similar experience with their shortened version of "Seven Drunken Nights". That was banned for twenty-five years in Ireland by church influence as promoting drunkeness and fornication. I would imagine that documentation would be difficult for many bannings, because it can be done so easily in autocratic and aristocratic societies without leaving a paper trail.


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Subject: RE: Banned Music?
From: SINSULL
Date: 09 Oct 00 - 11:13 AM

According to the PBS Special I saw (at least ten years ago) "Buddy Can You Spare A Dime" was banned nationwide from radio play by presidential request because it was seen as detrimental to the nation's self confidence. By the time it was banned it was popular which is why it attracted attention. The "suicide" rock songs were banned by various radio stations - nothing official.


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Subject: RE: Banned Music?
From: Gary T
Date: 09 Oct 00 - 11:17 AM

"The Ballad of John and Yoko", by the Beatles, was banned in many communities, particularly in the American South, because of the lyric, "Christ, you know it ain't easy". Many stations that did play the song blanked out the word "Christ".


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Subject: RE: Banned Music?
From: Clinton Hammond2
Date: 09 Oct 00 - 11:40 AM

The Kildare House, my local pub has banned the playing of "The Unicorn Song"... And we musicians who play there are damn thankful for it!!!

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Subject: RE: Banned Music?
From: Bert
Date: 09 Oct 00 - 11:55 AM

In the Fifties, the BBC banned 'Nobody Loves Like an Irishman' because the reference to the Koran was felt might be offensive. They also banned 'Answer me Lord Above' and accepted the altered version 'Answer me Oh My Love'

The Royal Navy banned sea shanties and used a fiddler to accompany work on board.


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Subject: RE: Banned Music?
From: Mbo
Date: 09 Oct 00 - 12:28 PM

HEY! Jeff Lynne wrote "Funky Moped". I've never heard the song, but it's gotta rock if Jeff wrote it. Everytime I see a moped I go "oooh funky moped.."


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Subject: RE: Banned Music?
From: Morticia
Date: 09 Oct 00 - 12:44 PM

Working Class Hero by John Lennon was also banned as it contained the f-word,as was Relax by Frankie Goes to Hollywood as it referred to sexual gratification, so was My ding-a-ling by Chuck Berry as it was considered too risque......all banned by the BBC in this country ( U.K) and all resulting in record sales for the records concerned.


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Subject: RE: Banned Music?
From: Mbo
Date: 09 Oct 00 - 12:49 PM

2 years ago MTV banned 2 Live Crew (2 Dead Shrews) and their ick-rap (Me So Horny, etc.) They got very close to banning Prodigy's "Slap My Bitch Up"...but decided to air it only a few times, and at 2am. The video was even worse than the song. Ugh.


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Subject: RE: Banned Music?
From: Kim C
Date: 09 Oct 00 - 01:21 PM

During the Civil War, both Armies didn't like Home Sweet Home because it promoted homesickness and consequently, desertion. I have read of its being forbidden but I don't know if it was officially "banned."

A few years back, country artist Holly Dunn had a single that went "When I say No I mean Maybe, and maybe I mean Yes." Women's groups got all over this, saying it promoted date rape. I don't know if it did or didn't but all I can say is I knew exactly where Holly was coming from. They used to call it playing hard to get. Anyway several stations stopped playing it.

The latest furor has been over the Dixie Chicks' Goodbye Earl, about a battered woman who kills her husband. Far as I can see it's just another murder ballad, woop-de-doo. The only problem I have with it is that is just ain't a very good song. :)


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Subject: RE: Banned Music?
From: GeorgeH
Date: 09 Oct 00 - 02:01 PM

To say "The Royal Navy banned sea shanties" is less than accurate . . but as Susan pointed out, it's difficult to define "banned" here.

The BBC "decined to broadcast" the Hard Cash TV series (about the world of work from the worker's perspective) because they felt Margaret Thatcher wouldn't approve (yes, others would claim that statment was "less than accurate", too) . . however the CD of the never-broadcast programmes is well worth locating.

G.


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Subject: RE: Banned Music?
From: Cobble
Date: 09 Oct 00 - 02:36 PM

Watch it Sables, I only live four miles away. And who borrowed my melodeon for his world tour of the USA and Canada? Cobble.


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Subject: RE: Banned Music?
From: GUEST,michael batory
Date: 09 Oct 00 - 02:37 PM

What about je t'aime..... etc and the Garden of Eden by Frankie Vaughan and others? The was also a motorbike song, you know young girl + biker = accident = Harleys in the sky, but I can't remember the name or the artist at the moment.

I was banned or at least one of my records was. It was called Knoxville Girl and was produced by Joe Meek. My band was a bluegrass outfit called The James Boys and we all wore stetsons. Sad eh? anyway it was banned before it was ever released, so no one ever made anything out of it. Funny though - O. Newton-John and Joan Baez had great success with Banks of the Ohio which was the same song really, at least the story was the same.

Bye.

Michael


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Subject: RE: Banned Music?
From: Bert
Date: 09 Oct 00 - 02:41 PM

That's interesting GeorgeH, I know I read it somewhere. I assumed that it wasn't a ban for the whole time that the Royal Navy existed, otherwise we wouldn't have songs like 'Spanish Ladies'.

So what's the REAL story?


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Subject: RE: Banned Music?
From: Gary T
Date: 09 Oct 00 - 03:19 PM

Michael, "Knoxville Girl" is apparently a standard for BR-549, the rockabilly band. Now I'm curious--where and when was it banned in your experience?

Going off on a bit of a tangent--I like to sing "Cedartown, Georgia" (written by Sammi Smith, I know it by Wayon Jennings). It's a murder ballad which, unlike "Banks of the Ohio", lets you know why he wants to kill her. I get frequent comments about how dark or depressing it is, but I've never heard anyone lament the unexplained murder in "Banks of the Ohio".


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Subject: RE: Banned Music?
From: wildlone
Date: 09 Oct 00 - 03:52 PM

Martin Luther's . song A Mighty Fortress was banned 400 years ago
and I am sure that some of the songs in the Little Red Song book .were as well
the above were found on This Site .


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Subject: RE: Banned Music?
From: Amos
Date: 09 Oct 00 - 03:57 PM

Either Burl Ives or Woody tell a tale of being arrested for singing "The Foggy Foggy Dew"; the paddies reportedly said they knew all about that kind of song, with its subtle anti-Victorian sentiments condoning improprietous intimacies between alleged adults who, although consenting, should not have been. (Not the battle song; the bachelor at the weaver's trade song).

A


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Subject: RE: Banned Music?
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 09 Oct 00 - 07:02 PM

Amos, that was Burl.

Dave Oesterreich


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Subject: RE: Banned Music?
From: Burke
Date: 09 Oct 00 - 07:25 PM

Someone teaching a class needs real citations not anecdotes. Go to the library. Here are some citations it took me very little time to find. There's lot's more. Don't forget that Israel had a ban on Wagner.

Banned music. (history of censorship of music)(Brief Article) The Economist (US) Nov 28, 1998 p91(1)

Smashed hits. (censorship of music) Julian Petley. Index on Censorship Nov-Dec 1998 v27 i6 p10(1)

You can't play that: a selective chronology of banned music: 1850-1991. (includes related article on ways to defuse censorship in libraries) Edward J. Volz. School Library Journal July 1991 v37 n7 p16(3)


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Subject: RE: Banned Music?
From: Haruo
Date: 09 Oct 00 - 08:27 PM

Re: "The Little Red Song Book" linked by wildlone above: Oddly enough (I really don't recall why — I thought I had Silent Night there) my romanized Japanese Christmas carols collection has L’Internationale as bgmusic.

Liland


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Subject: RE: Banned Music?
From: khandu
Date: 09 Oct 00 - 09:06 PM

Street Fighting Man by the Stones was banned on many stations. Brown-Eyed Girl by Van Morrison was banned by many stations because of the line "Makin' love in the green grass behind the stadium". There is an "acceptable" version still heard on some oldie stations in which the "offensive" line is replaced by an earlier line in the song. All of Cat Stevens were banned by many stations, and some stations had a Cat Stevens record burning, during the Salmon Rushdie death warrant thing. Listening to todays radio I would say that most of the "New Country" should be banned due to supreficiality!

khandu


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Subject: RE: Banned Music?
From: Cap't Bob
Date: 09 Oct 00 - 09:15 PM

If you can locate a copy of "The Incomplete Folksinger" by Pete Seeger I'm sure that you will find it quite interesting. During the 50's and 60's there were quite a few prominent folksingers or groups that suddenly found it impossible to find work.

Cap't Bob


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Subject: RE: Banned Music?
From: Mbo
Date: 09 Oct 00 - 09:21 PM

Oasis does a kick-ass version of "Street Fighting Man." When the Yugoslavia revolution floodgates broke last week, all I could think of was "Now the time is right for a valourous revoluuuuuution!" F***ing wires! F***in', c***in' wires everywere! B*****d!


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Subject: RE: Banned Music?
From: Rich(bodhránai gan ciall)
Date: 09 Oct 00 - 10:51 PM

Ok, neither were technically banned but both the Beatles and Elvis had records burned. The Beatles for John's misunderstood statement "We're more popular then Jesus now." Elvis for thrusting his pelvis (although anyone listening to the records would not have seen his hips moving.)
Elvis was filmed from the waist up on Ed Sullivan, for that reason. The Doors were told they had to change "Light My Fire", to "Girl, we couldn't get much better". Of course, it didn't occur to them that on live TV, Jim Morrison could sing anything he wanted during the broadcast, despite what he may have sung in the dress rehearsal!

Rich


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Subject: RE: Banned Music?
From: GUEST,michael Batory
Date: 10 Oct 00 - 03:36 AM

Hello Gary,

The track was recorded in Joe Meek's Holloway Road studio late 65/early 66, I can't quite remember. The tape still exixts I believe but it is one of those waiting in the Cliff Cooper treasure box waing to go to the National Sound Archive at the British Museum.

At that time Joe Meek had several outlets, Decca, Pye and EMI being the most prominent I think, but all of them said no. Joe then tried to get some pre mrelease plugging but the Beeb would not touch the record saying it was too blood thirsty. Of course, it could have been our singing.

Thanks for your interest.

Michael.


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Subject: RE: Banned Music?
From: Haruo
Date: 10 Oct 00 - 10:54 AM

From: Rich(bodhránai gan ciall)

Elvis had records burned. [...] for thrusting his pelvis (although anyone listening to the records would not have seen his hips moving.)

Only someone with a very weak imagination would fail to see Elvis's pelvises moving while listening to his records. ;-)

Liland


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Subject: RE: Banned Music?
From: Kim C
Date: 10 Oct 00 - 11:18 AM

I never have understood what the problem was with Burl Ives' Foggy Foggy Dew. I never thought of it as "that" kind of song.


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Subject: RE: Banned Music?
From: Haruo
Date: 10 Oct 00 - 11:24 AM

Glamorizes premarital hanky-panky don't it? Or at least justifies it as a remedy against cold and foggy night air.

Liland
At least if Burl Ives' version is anything like the Esperanto one


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Subject: RE: Banned Music?
From: GUEST,CLETUS
Date: 10 Oct 00 - 11:50 AM

I haint never figgered owt whut thet thair Espyrantur stuff iz nohow. Seemz like sumthin fer folks whut aint got a gud grip on the Inglish langwage. Ize allus figgered thet I wuz lucky ta git me a gud forth grayed edgykashun an am rite perfishent in talkin an ritin reel gud.

And I like banned music. I like them folks whut sing by themselfs too, soze I gess I like both kinds.

CLETUS


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Subject: RE: Banned Music?
From: Mbo
Date: 10 Oct 00 - 12:13 PM

In 1991, the R.E.M. song "Losing My Religion" was banned in Ireland. That was a dumb move, really! The guys from R.E.M. are from Athens, Georgia. "Losing my religion" is a Souther-ism that means "losing my temper." Heck, Ms.Fine, one of our educational technology teachers, is trying to hook a camera up to a PC, not 2 feet away. She keeps saying that she's really starting to lose her religion. The folks in Ireland should have understood that before they banned it!


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Subject: RE: Banned Music?
From: GUEST,Fibula Mattock
Date: 10 Oct 00 - 12:21 PM

I never knew that about "Losing my religion" - weird!
Mind you, the Chart Show on ITV censored the Samshing Pumpkins video for "Today" when it showed 3 people snogging together in the long grass. And Evan Dando from the Lemonheads was not allowed to use the words "suck my dick" on a live radio broadcast, so it was changed to "duck my sick". Oh, and they censored Radiohead's "Creep", changed the phrase "fucking special" to "very special" for the radio edit. And Little Angels (naff soft rock group whose cheesy lyrics I used to have a soft spot for) got their single "Boneyard" banned during the Gulf War as it was deemed too insensitive. It was a crap song anyway.


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Subject: RE: Banned Music?
From: Mbo
Date: 10 Oct 00 - 12:32 PM

Banned for snogging and not for vadalizing an ice cream truck? ;-) (LOVE THAT SONG!) I knew about "Creep"...personally I prefer the "very special" one, and that's how I sing it. Also, when the Rolling Stones went on Ed Sullivan, they had to change the words to "Let's Spend The Night Together". Basically Mick Jagger just kind of garbled the lyrics so they couldn't be understood.


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Subject: RE: Banned Music?
From: GUEST,Fibula Mattock
Date: 10 Oct 00 - 12:35 PM

Hang on, just remembered a REALLY stupid censorship: Aon Focal Eile (excuse me if I spell it wrong, my Irish is atrocious) was banned because "focal" (the Irish for "word")was thought to sound too rude. Half the point of the song...
Actually... I do believe that's a macaronic song... Now I've nailed two threads with the one tune!


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Subject: RE: Banned Music?
From: catspaw49
Date: 10 Oct 00 - 12:35 PM

MICK? GARBLED SOME LYRICS??? REALLY??? Oh my, that's so unusual........Tell me, how did anyone know?

Spaw


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Subject: RE: Banned Music?
From: mousethief
Date: 10 Oct 00 - 12:40 PM

Louie, Louis has been banned either in all of Wisconsin, or in some Wisconsin town, because the governor or the mayor (I forget which) said it made his ears burn when he heard it, even though he couldn't understand the lyrics at all.

Alex
O..O
=o=


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Subject: RE: Banned Music?
From: pastorpest
Date: 10 Oct 00 - 12:45 PM

I know this is in the classical genre, but a lot of the music composed by Dmitri Shostakovich was banned by the Soviet government. Notably his opera Lady MacBeth was banned and Stalin had a hand in the banning. Shostakovich lived the rest of his life with a suitcase packed expecting to be arrested at any time. There is a great body of his compositions known as "top drawer" music because he knew they would be banned so he kept them in a top drawer and they did not see the light of day until after his death. Since the end of the cold war the documentary evidence concerning his life and work and his continually falling in and out of favor with government is largely available to researchers.

Tell your friend "good luck" with her project.


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Subject: RE: Banned Music?
From: khandu
Date: 10 Oct 00 - 01:56 PM

And then there's Bob, who "banned" himself from the Sullivan show when he was told he could not sing the John Birch Society song. I played in a country "jook joint" band back in my dope-smokin' hippie days and the drummer and I banned the singer from singing "Okie from Muskogee" and "The Fighting Side of Me". We were staunch radicals! khandu


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Subject: RE: Banned Music?
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 11 Oct 00 - 11:32 AM

Dunno if it's "banning" or not, but try to get some airplay for anything traditional.


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Subject: RE: Banned Music?
From: GUEST,Albamist
Date: 11 Oct 00 - 02:59 PM

Banned for being too sexually explicit was j'taime by Serge Gainsbourg and Jane Birkin, the BBC banned it and help send it to the top of the charts for weeks..I think the Stones had to change the title of Lets spend the night together to Lets spend some time together for the delicate North American ears.


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Subject: RE: Banned Music?
From: GUEST,Arkie
Date: 11 Oct 00 - 04:32 PM

Think it was sometime in the 60's in a Sing Out article, there was mention of the American Medical Association banning Len Chandler's "Beans In My Ears" from airplay. Their concern, probably rightly so, that it would inspire children to put beans in their ears.


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Subject: RE: Banned Music?
From: Tiger
Date: 11 Oct 00 - 05:11 PM

A subject near and dear to my heart - many radio stations wouldn't play April Stevens' "Teach Me, Tiger" in the late 50's.

Wa-wa-wa-wa-wow!


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Subject: RE: Banned Music?
From: Mark Clark
Date: 11 Oct 00 - 06:01 PM

I've always heard that Billie Holiday's "Gloomy Sunday" was banned from radio play because of the number of suicides that were attributable to that song.

I've also been told that it was once considered treasonous to sing "Solidarity Forever" and perhaps other songs of that ilk.

      - Mark


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Subject: RE: Banned Music?
From: Rich(bodhránai gan ciall)
Date: 11 Oct 00 - 07:27 PM

There were two radio cuts of The Devil Went Down To Georgia. Some radio stations played the "I done told you once you son of a bitch" version and some played a version that said "Son of a gun"

Rich


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Subject: RE: Banned Music?
From: Victoria H.
Date: 11 Oct 00 - 09:19 PM

Wow! Just got back online after being away - Thanks, everybody! This is SO appreciated - and I enjoyed reading all of it myself! Thanks for your interest and suggestions! - Victoria


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Subject: RE: Banned Music?
From: GUEST,BOOGERFINGER
Date: 12 Oct 00 - 09:37 PM

IF YOU REALLY WANT SOME REAL BANNED MUSIC TRY DAVID ALLEN COE'S UNCENSORED TAPES. IT'S ENOUGH TO MAKE A SCOTTISH SOCCER HOOLIGAN BLUSH. SONGS SUCH AS DON'T BITE THE DICK THAT FUCKS YOU, I JUST WOULD LIKE TO FUCK YOU ONE MORE TIME[DAUGHTER], AND THERE'S ONE THING IN THE WHOLE WIDE WORLD I SURE WOULD LIKE TO FIGURE, HOW ANY CRAZY WHITE GIRL COULD EVER FUCK A GREASY NIGGER. THE LAST SONG SOME OF MY BLACK BROTHERS AND I USED TO SING WHEN WE FOUND OUT OUR RACIST FORMAN FOUND HIS WIFE IN BED WITH A BROTHER. P.S. HOW COME ZAPPA NEVER GOT ON THE AM RADIO?


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Subject: RE: Banned Music?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 13 Oct 00 - 02:48 PM

McCafferty was banned by the army in that a charge of "conduct prejudicial to discipline" could be brought. In his book "The Rambling Soldier" Roy Palmer gives some 20th Cent. examples of soldiers wary of singing it, including his own father.


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Subject: RE: Banned Music?
From: aussiebloke
Date: 15 Oct 00 - 09:53 AM

When Britannia Ruled the Waves
Roger Corbett of the Bushwackers (Australia) wrote a song called: 'When Britannia Ruled the Waves'.

It is fairly uncomplimentary about the Brits and their Colonial policies...

Liner notes on the Bushies compilation CD 'So Far 1974 - 1994' read: The British invaders perpetrated every human rights violation in the book and left us with rabbits, foxes and prickly pear in plague numbers. During a visit to Australia by the Queen, this song was deemed 'too hot' for the band to play on the Mike Walsh Show* and the headlines of the day screamed that the Bushwackers had caused a Royal Rumpus'.

* Mike Walsh Show was a hugely popular daytime variety TV show.


Bold Jack Donahue
The following info gleaned from: Builders Labourers Songbook first published by Widescope (Australia) 1975.
Jack Donahue was a famous/infamous convict bushranger active in New South Wales in the late 1820's; he was shot dead in 1830, but his spirit lived on in the song Bold Jack Donahue written shortly after his death. It was widely used as an expression of popular rebellion, and in 1835, men and women were being goaled for singing it in Sydney pubs.


The Wild Colonial Boy
I seem to remember that there was also a time in Australia when you could get a flogging for singing The Wild Colonial Boy, but cannot find a reference to this at present...


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Subject: RE: Banned Music?
From: GUEST,Fibula Mattock
Date: 16 Oct 00 - 08:08 AM

Was it the fact that "Wild Colonial Boy" was banned, or was it the fact that it was formerly sung to the tune of "The Wearing of the Green" which was a banned tune? I think I remember seeing something about that on the sleeve notes of an Ian Campbell LP, so I'll have a look.


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Subject: RE: Banned Music?
From: NH Dave
Date: 16 Oct 00 - 09:44 AM

During the late 60's early 70's Melina Moskouri's[sp??] work was banned in Greece, supposedly because of her outspokenness against those in power. She was living out of the country, probably for her own safety, and because that was where she was making most of her money.


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Subject: RE: Banned Music?
From: Ebbie
Date: 16 Oct 00 - 12:48 PM

Talk about urban legends! I'll bet that 3/4ths of the songs above were never banned in any kind of official way but that people have perpetuated their own speculations. I've heard that about various songs, but how did we learn them? 'Teen Angel' and 'Running Bear', for instance, had a huge run on the west coast of America until they died a natural death.(Did you know that the young man who wrote Teen Angel was the younger brother of an established singing star- and that's the only song he ever recorded?)

Getting air time, of course, is a separate issue. It's like getting a book published. Quality is not necessarily the primary ingredient- sometimes it is marketing, sometimes it's ahead or behind its time, and always it is about perseverance.

This is kind of the way that we Americans talk about 'losing our freedoms'. We like to say that- but most of the time,IMO, we are lamenting the loss of abuses that should never have been accepted in the first place.

Political songs and tunes and movies and plays are a different issue altogether.

OK. All of this is my own opinions- and it was fun stating them!

Ebbie


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Subject: RE: Banned Music?
From: M. Ted (inactive)
Date: 16 Oct 00 - 03:22 PM

Ebbie,

You've made a really important point--"Urban Legend" about covers most of it (though some songs and artists really have been censored)-- Teen Angel was recorded by Mark Dinning, brother of the once famous but now mostly forgotten "Dinning Sisters". The song was actually written by his sister, Jeannie. However, I'll have have to bust you on one point, it was not the only song he ever recorded--, he recorded and released a number of songs before TA, and had several very minor hits, including "A Star is Born(A love has died), and "Top, Forty News, Weather and Sports", like I said, very minor--


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Subject: RE: Banned Music?
From: Skeptic
Date: 16 Oct 00 - 04:21 PM

I was living in Germany in the '60's when "Eve of Destruction" came out and was promnptly banned from the Armed Forces Radio Network. For about a week, I think. The story I remember was that the someone up the chain of command said, in effect "get real" and that was the end of the ban.


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Subject: RE: Banned Music?
From: Ebbie
Date: 16 Oct 00 - 06:31 PM

But 'banned' and 'censored' and 'not aired' and 'protested' are not the same. Banned is an official word, in my opinion.

As for songs and writings of people like that of Coe, there has always been an underground culture where those things have thrived. Some of the world's most famous writers for the last couple hundred years had or have a lively business in it on the side. Having it be printed or sung in mainstream cultures has never been expected. I don't have a problem with its existence- I just don't want it shoved in my face.

M.Ted, I stand corrected on the Teen Angel thing. I believe I had read that the boy is the one who wrote it and recorded it and that he did no other. No prob.

Ebbie


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Subject: RE: Banned Music?
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 18 Apr 02 - 06:52 AM

Old time thread, I know, but I've only just spotted it while searching for something else (and I can't remember what!)
During the war (no, I don't speak from personal memory) The BBC banned the playing of Deep In The Heart Of Texas because munitions workers insisted on banging on their workplaces during the chorus and it was reducing productivity.
I am also aware, but can't find, a song relating to books banned by various states in the US. TTO MacNamara's Band, anyone know where ?


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Subject: RE: Banned Music?
From: mack/misophist
Date: 18 Apr 02 - 10:05 AM

Unfortunately I have no details, but back when Reggae was new, a Bahamian friend of mine said that most of his record collection was banned from the radio in the west indies because of the political content. The jazz standard "Love For Sale" was, for many years, effectively BARRED from radio because the song is about prostitution. I can also verify the April Stevens comment above. When her record came out, it was officially destroyed on air at the local station.


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Subject: RE: Banned Music?
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 18 Apr 02 - 10:52 AM

I vaguely recall that collectors here refer to the "Banned Beatles Album." One of their early(?) albums was denied a US import permit, apparently due to the "suggestive" album picture, and a different picture was used on the "legal" US version.

Supposedly, a few early imports were the original with a "pasted over" cover, with new jackets eventually being made.

So far as I know, none of the songs had to be "sanitized" for our censors ... but there may have also been a re-cut.

John


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Subject: RE: Banned Music?
From: harvey andrews
Date: 18 Apr 02 - 11:10 AM

I had a song called "The Soldier" banned from airplay. I was not allowed to sing it on "In concert" on BBC radio or perform it on TV. A couple of years ago national radio had a discussion programme on banned songs and my song was mentioned by someone on the phone-in, the host said "we are not discussing minority music", so the banning of the song was banned from the discussion of banned songs!


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Subject: RE: Banned Music?
From: Dave Bryant
Date: 18 Apr 02 - 11:22 AM

In the 50's and early 60's, the BBC banned many records. I can remember several by Paddy Roberts and a Tom Leher single of Masochism Tango & Poisoning Pigeons. Did wonders for the record sales though !


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Subject: RE: Banned Music?
From: GUEST,Roger O'K
Date: 18 Apr 02 - 11:25 AM

Definition of "banned" is indeed the problem.

The Wolfe Tones were not played on RTE, the official semi-State broadcasting network in Ireland, for most of the last thirty years, and the successive governments of the times would not have been displeased, because they were seen to stir up anti-British passions and support for the IRA. Clearly there were station directives about this, because they were quite popular in the late 60s (and still are in some quarters although they have now been "decommissioned"). But it would be hard to establish whether the Government ever "made representations" to the station management. A government which controls the purse strings and enacted legislation to prohibit interviews with representatives of the IRA doesn't have to go as far as outright banning the Wolfe Tones' repertoire, especially as it knows that this would be counterproductive.

There is a recent thread on them.


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Subject: RE: Banned Music?
From: Stephen L. Rich
Date: 18 Apr 02 - 11:25 AM

Strangely enough They're Coming To Take Me Away(Ha Ha) was banned on many American Radio Stations when it was released on the grounds that it was in "bad taste". They forgot that it was being (before the ban)played on radio stations aimed at teenagers for whom bad taste is a minimun requirement.

The grown-ups told us we couldn't have it. That's why it was such a big hit.


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Subject: RE: Banned Music?
From: rich-joy
Date: 20 Apr 02 - 06:37 AM

"Eight Miles High" by The Byrds was banned in Western Australia in the 60's (drugs, I guess), but I'd already bought my copy of the single (still have it too!!!)
Cheers! R-J


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Subject: RE: Banned Music?
From: alanabit
Date: 20 Apr 02 - 07:04 AM

I don't think the banning of your song did you much harm Harvey. It was very popular among soldiers. I like the irony of the situation though. Earlier Sinsull mentioned that "Somewhere Over The Rainbow" (music by Howerd Arlen, I think) and "Buddy Can You Spare a Dime" (music by Jay Gorney?) were written by the same man. So they were. It was E "Yip" Harburg. Good songs too. Paul Downes and Phil Beer used to do a smashing version of the latter and of all people, John Martyn recorded the former. I don't think that one was in any danger of getting banned. It may make you smile Harvey, but in the mid eighties I recorded a session for BFBS radio in Germany. (Their HQ was then in Marienburg, Cologne). Of the eleven songs, the producer, Jürgen Bock, remarked that he particularly liked "Englishmen United", which was about a football hooligan with the brains of a lamp post. About a week before the programme was due to go out, the Heysel Stadium tragedy happened. To be fair to Jürgen, he commented that events had only proved that I was right -and if he could he was going to send the session uncut. Guess which song didn't get on air...


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