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Subject: Lord of the Rings. Movie and songs.
From: The Shambles
Date: 20 Jul 00 - 03:38 AM

Is anyone looking forward to seeing, or dreading to see, the movie that is currently being made of The Lord of the Rings? Or have any useful news or gossip on this project?

There are also many songs in his writings, what are your thoughts about JRR Tolkien, as a songwriter?

I dimly seem to remember him 'gigging' around the 1930's Oxford folk clubs and his guitar playing wasn't up to much…….


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Subject: RE: Lord of the Rings. Movie and songs.
From: The Shambles
Date: 20 Jul 00 - 03:40 AM

Lord of the Rings


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Subject: RE: Lord of the Rings. Movie and songs.
From: Lepus Rex
Date: 20 Jul 00 - 03:50 AM

I was really looking forward to the LotR movies, until I found out that the hobbits are going to have American accents... Bleh.

---Lepus Rex


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Subject: RE: Lord of the Rings. Movie and songs.
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 20 Jul 00 - 06:30 AM

Donald Swann (of Flanders and Swann) put some tunes to a bunch of Tolkien's songs. Looking that up in a search engine I found this, which lists that among a bunch of other things people have done with Tolkien.

So far as I know Donald Swann's are the only versions that Tolkien heard and liked.


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Subject: RE: Lord of the Rings. Movie and songs.
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 20 Jul 00 - 06:31 AM

But I bet the orcs have English accents...


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Subject: RE: Lord of the Rings. Movie and songs.
From: sledge
Date: 20 Jul 00 - 06:35 AM

Bend over Mr Tolkien, Hollwood has a little surprise for you.


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Subject: RE: Lord of the Rings. Movie and songs.
From: Willie-O
Date: 20 Jul 00 - 08:36 AM

Hey Shambles, when you say you "dimly remember Tolkien gigging in the 1930's"...how old are you anyway?

I checked out the website. It sure is gimmicky and slow-loading, has some nice graphics--the "evolution" of the hobbit hole--and is messy and confusing to navigate, and lacks hard info.

Looks like another special effects extravaganza, with lots of spectacular New Zealand-as Middle-Earth scenery.

Its a wait-and-see thing. But I don't think they can compress the whole story into one feature-length movie without losing a lot of the book's appeal. (And if they do, it's going to be one hard-to-follow movie!)

Will Bombadil


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Subject: RE: Lord of the Rings. Movie and songs.
From: Mbo
Date: 20 Jul 00 - 08:37 AM

I'm looking forward to the movies very much. I've been following the production for over 2 years now...back when it was just a concept. Some things I'm not to happy about, particularly the Arwen storyline, but other than that, I'm pretty well pleased. As far as accents are concerned, the Hobbits in the movie WILL have British accents, so there is no need to worry. Tolkien & Swann's songs are excellent. Also, the NPR production of the Hobbit did a great job with music for "Far Over The Misty Mountains." Very Renaissance-like. As for myself, I have put a few Tolkien poems to music. Shambles, as far as I know, Tolkien didn't play guitar. But I know he had a great interest in learning the banjo.

--Mbo (Tolkien scholar)


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Subject: RE: Lord of the Rings. Movie and songs.
From: Mbo
Date: 20 Jul 00 - 08:56 AM

BTW Willie, it's a trilogy, 3 movies, one for each volume, The Fellowship of The Rings, The Two Towers, and The Return of The King. The best site for the movies is TheOneRing. It's easy to navigate and has all the history & info about the 3 movies.

--Mbo


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Subject: RE: Lord of the Rings. Movie and songs.
From: SDShad
Date: 20 Jul 00 - 10:55 AM

I'm cautiously optimistic. Peter Jackson seems to know what he's doing, and has some genuine respect for the material. The cast is very international, and yes, Frodo and Sam are played by American actors (Elijah Wood and Sean Astin), the hobbits can't all have American accents, surely, as Sir Ian Holm is playing Bilbo and I think both Merry and Pippin are played by Brits.

Lessee, who else? Gandalf-Ian McKellan; Saruman-Christopher Lee; Gimli-John Rhys-Davies!; Galadriel-Cate Blanchett; Grima Wormtongue-Brad Dourif!; Denethor-rumored to be Donald Sutherland; Boromir-Sean Bean!; The Mouth of Sauron-Bruce Spence, aka Gyro Captain from Mad Max 2.

Chris


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Subject: RE: Lord of the Rings. Movie and songs.
From: The Shambles
Date: 20 Jul 00 - 12:03 PM

Well I was stretching the truth a little………………..It was his banjo playing that was not up to much.

Were you not aware that I was an Ent?

The casting sounds pretty good but how are they going to overcome the height differences between the humans and the hobbit/dwarves etc? Are they going to use Alan Ladd's orange box?


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Subject: RE: Lord of the Rings. Movie and songs.
From: Mbo
Date: 20 Jul 00 - 12:15 PM

It's going to be done with camera & computer effects, no to mention oversized things to make them appear small, like incorporating the record-holding biggest bull on earth into the movie to force the normal sized humans to look small. I've seen how it works, it's all very ingenious!

--Mbo


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Subject: RE: Lord of the Rings. Movie and songs.
From: Jon W.
Date: 20 Jul 00 - 12:38 PM

Between 1968 (Jr. High) and 1982 (end of college) I read the trilogy more times than I remember or care to admit. I was tremendously disappointed by Ralph Bakshi's failed effort at animation in the 70's. I've seen the internet preview of the new version, and it looks like it will be a great success - at least if they are reasonably faithful to the storyline from the book. I for one will be going to these movies and taking my children. I'm just disappointed that they didn't ask me to be the technical storyline advisor :-)


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Subject: RE: Lord of the Rings. Movie and songs.
From: Lepus Rex
Date: 20 Jul 00 - 01:08 PM

MBO, they switched back to English accents on the movies? That would be cool. I quit reading about that movie last year, when they announced that they'd be using American accents to make it easier for Americans to understand.

Off the subject, really, but not really sure it's worth it's own thread: I don't know if this is news, but the popular Harry Potter kid's books were reportedly translated into 'American' by Scholastic. I find this depressing. Blah, back to work...

---Lepus Rex


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Subject: RE: Lord of the Rings. Movie and songs.
From: Hollowfox
Date: 20 Jul 00 - 03:35 PM

Lepus, some translation was deemed necessary, but not much. If not "translated", the USA crowd would wonder why Mrs. Weasley sent Harry a hand-knitted jumper every year for a Christmas gift.//I, too, am cautiously optimistic about LOTR. It couldn't be worse than the Bakshi version. My other cautious optimism is for Terry Gilliam's possible movie version of Neil Gaiman & Terry Pratchett's book "Good Omens". If he does it, he'll do it right; I can't imagine anybody else coming close. Lovers of fantasy and/or humour, if you haven't read this, you should. Right Now.


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Subject: RE: Lord of the Rings. Movie and songs.
From: AllisonA(Animaterra)
Date: 20 Jul 00 - 04:37 PM

Having read LOTR at least as often as Jon, and having participated thru high school and beyond in a fantasy of our own devising among friends involving what we thought of as "Middle Earth: Next Generation" LONG before Star Trek thought of that: I am nervously awaiting the film which I will go to see as soon as possible.
On the Harry Potter issue, my husband was one of the original proofreaders (!) of the first 3 HP books to be "Americanized". Of course, when the first one came across his desk he had no idea what was to become of it- he remarked that he had an interesting story to proof and he was pleased that he didn't have to Americanize it as much as many other stories that come.
(He also hoped he'd be able to find a copy somewhere- he thought the kids might enjoy it!)


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Subject: RE: Lord of the Rings. Movie and songs.
From: Clinton Hammond2
Date: 20 Jul 00 - 04:46 PM

Check out But it ya try sometimes, Ya get what ya nee-eed!"

{~`


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Subject: RE: Lord of the Rings. Movie and songs.
From: Peter T.
Date: 20 Jul 00 - 04:51 PM

But Mbo, the new story line is a love interest!!!!Isn't that, you know, sort of kind of like your thing since you went all gooey on us?

yours, Peter T.


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Subject: RE: Lord of the Rings. Movie and songs.
From: Mbo
Date: 20 Jul 00 - 05:05 PM

Yes, and Aragorn & Arwen's story is what I am going through now, but I think it should be as the book has it. Not having Arwen follow the company unawares through Moria (somehow avoid Gollum & the Balrog) to join them later to help win Helm's Deep.

--Mbo


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Subject: RE: Lord of the Rings. Movie and songs.
From: Peter T.
Date: 20 Jul 00 - 05:09 PM

I forget -- is that the part where the Ring is traded for those X-ray glasses that allow you to see through women's clothing?

yours, Peter T.


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Subject: RE: Lord of the Rings. Movie and songs.
From: Clinton Hammond2
Date: 20 Jul 00 - 05:35 PM

Repost... sorry... I missed one little close quote!!! This place really needs an edit or preview button for dough heads like me!!! Is it possible to have a MOD delete that post of mine above??

Take 2!

Check out Ringbearer.com for the best site for LOTR movie stuff... I've been following it with much dread for alomst 2 years now I think?? But we folk over that the Ringbearer MB can answer most of yer questions, like about accents and 'Digial Shrinkage' effects and such...

No 'hobbits swimming in cold water' jokes please, we've done them to death some time ago...

Near as I remember, the accent thing was aiming for nutrality rather than having american actors trying to affect english/or where-ever accents... which I think is a great move! IF the actors have a good voice, let them speak in it, whatever their accent... that avoids Kevin Cosner Robin Hood type fiascos!

Personal Opinion: I'm not sold on the idea of a live action LOtR movie... Petyer Jackson is not the best director for a project like this.. most of his movies so far have been on the low end of fair to medium... And well, CGI tech isn't really good enough yet to be up to the challenge... (CGI stands for 'Crappy Graphics I'nit' BTW) The casting is for the most part very solid... Sir Ian, coming from Magneto in X-Men is gonna be the PERECT Gandlaf... I've decided to class myself as a 'hopeful pessimist' with regards these movies...

On the JRR music front... I can't believe anyone likes that Donald Swan Album... I'm in the process of MP3ing some of it up for posting on the Ringbearer site so the other fans there can see just how terrible a sence of music JRR actually had... He liked it, and put his 'stamp of apporval' on the album, but I'll be bugger'd if I can figure out why... It's terrible... I've worked very hard to block out the memory of that stuff on the off chance I can ever forget enough of LOTR to enjoy reading it agin...

And well, I'm ticked cause Tom Bombadil, my personal favorite character, isn't gonna be in the move at all... But I can also understand why he's been cut...

"You can't always get what you waaa-a-annt
But it ya try sometimes, Ya get what ya nee-eed!"

{~`

Did it work???


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Subject: RE: Lord of the Rings. Movie and songs.
From: Clinton Hammond2
Date: 20 Jul 00 - 05:36 PM

the link is supposed to be http://www.fandom.com/ringbearer/

What the hell is up with this HTML sutff?????


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Subject: RE: Lord of the Rings. Movie and songs.
From: Sorcha
Date: 20 Jul 00 - 06:23 PM

Being a bad girl, I did not read ALL of the above......but, IMHO, anybody who cannot deal with a UK accent, or any other does not need to see the movie. I have just hated ALL visual representations of JRRT. Especially the cartoon version that came out 20 odd years ago. I have my own idea of what all these people look like, and I prefer to keep it, thank you very much. (orcs should have a Russian accent, trolls a Scandinavian, Gandalf a very upper class British, hobbits are Cockney, elves French, maybe the WoodElves get Irish, Ents are Slavic,,,,,,,ah, never mind.)


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Subject: RE: Lord of the Rings. Movie and songs.
From: Clinton Hammond2
Date: 20 Jul 00 - 06:25 PM

I'm mostly on yer side Sorcha!

{~`


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Subject: RE: Lord of the Rings. Movie and songs.
From: Lepus Rex
Date: 20 Jul 00 - 06:30 PM

Hollowfox, I don't think there should be ANY translation from one English dialect to another. If the kids are too lazy to pick up a dictionary and look up a couple of words (as I enjoyed doing when I read "unusual" English words as a boy), I don't think they deserve to enjoy the book, anyways. It only makes them lazy readers. Same with the LotR movie, with the whole Arwen thing, and with the use of American accents (which, as you've all read, they're not going to do now, but which they originally HAD planned to use). It's dumbing it down so us dumb Americans don't have to try with anything, or to think too hard. Still very depressing. For me, at least. If those books are still around when my niece gets to whatever age group those are written for, I'll be sure to order her books from England. A few years after I buy her a couple really good dictionaries... :)

---Lepus Rex


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Subject: RE: Lord of the Rings. Movie and songs.
From: Sorcha
Date: 20 Jul 00 - 06:32 PM

Right ON, Lepus!! Yer after me 'art, 'ere. Course, I started reading British stuff when I was about 8........


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Subject: RE: Lord of the Rings. Movie and songs.
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 20 Jul 00 - 08:58 PM

I'm inclined to agree with you, Sorcha, though I think the hobbit accent ought to be rural (perhaps old-style Surrey or Sussex) rather than Cockney.  , Tolkien grew up in the Midlands, so he was probably thinking of something nearer to Cheshire (before it got posh.)  Does anybody remember the BBC radio adaptation of The Hobbit from the '60s?  I certainly had quarrels with some of the characterisation, but the music for the songs was absolutely spot-on: a much more earthy late-medieval flavour than Donald Swann's pieces.  Thanks, by the way, to Mbo for that other link; I can't get the preview on the "official" site to run, despite having the plug-ins...

I shall have to see the film, but, like the previous attempt (and, probably, the new X-Men film) I'm rather expecting to be impressed by the effects and disappointed by the interpretation.  Ah well; we shall see.

Malcolm


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Subject: RE: Lord of the Rings. Movie and songs.
From: AllisonA(Animaterra)
Date: 21 Jul 00 - 11:53 AM

I didn't know about the new Arwen angle, but I can understand why the producers wanted it, IMHO. My daughter is just the age I was when I became totally addicted and enchanted by LOTR- but being the girl of the 00's that she is, she's mad at the lack of strong women. Eowyn just isn't enough! Nor Galadriel, for that matter!


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Subject: RE: Lord of the Rings. Movie and songs.
From: Rana who SHOULD be working
Date: 21 Jul 00 - 03:22 PM

Sorcha,

Treading on dangerous ground when you try and place the accents to the characters (what accents do Russians see Orcs as having?) - though your choices could fit! I agree with Malcolm re. Hobbits and rural, I'd have placed them more with a Somerset accent, however.

As for a great book with loads of imagery moving to screen - 'tis always a risk. I never thought Gormenghast could be done (actually I always prefered this to LOTR). The BBC did a marvellous job on this (so I thought) and so indeed it can be achieved. From the clips on the web page it seems LOTR might also achieve this but we'll all have to wait and see.

Actually this all raises the comparison of "imagination" vs. "realism". I will always prefer Dr. Who (with its hokey sets) to the likes of Star Trek (all generations) which seemed to have more money to spend. The story lines in the former seemed so much more imaginative. But then again that's another thread maybe on another site.

Rana


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Subject: RE: Lord of the Rings. Movie and songs.
From: Hollowfox
Date: 21 Jul 00 - 03:23 PM

Well. Lepus et. al., I didn't say I'd have chosen to change the vocabulary. Not that anybody on the 'Cat is up for killing the messenger..it warms my heart to see feelings run high about the treatment of a book. And there's that puckish side of me that imagines if the language hadn't been altered. All those boys in their homemade costumes, with the Griffindor lion on the bodice, and pleated skirts...


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Subject: RE: Lord of the Rings. Movie and songs.
From: BeauDangles
Date: 21 Jul 00 - 04:52 PM

Rana,

I have heard many wonderful things about the bbc version of Gormenghast. The one wonderful thing I have not heard about it is: Appearing now on a pbs channel near you. I can't find it anywhere, and I am royally pissed! Any plans to release it on video?

As for LotR, I am very excited about the prospects of this movie. So far my favorite non-print version of it is the BBC radio play which I quite enjoyed. The prformances were outstanding (including Ian Holm as frodo), and the special effects were incredible, largely becausethey were in my own head. But of the visual versions of the work, I think this will hands down be the best. I, too, am dismayed about some of the artistic changes that have been made, even though I can see the reasons for them. I am just happy that they did not pick Leo DiCaprio for any role in it. He would have even tarnished the role of Lotho Sackville-Baggins!

Beau


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Subject: RE: Lord of the Rings. Movie and songs.
From: Rana who SHOULD be working
Date: 21 Jul 00 - 05:06 PM

Hi Beau,

I saw Gormenghast on the Space Channel in Canada - they had the rights and showed it just after the BBC did in Britain. One major distraction was the number of commercials - WGBH Boston are on the credits but on e-mailing them they didn't know anything about it. BBC America premiered it last month. I asked them about video release and they referred me to their online shop for info - I hope it comes out over here eventually on video. It was released in Britain on video and DVD this past spring, however, the TV systems are different - just will have to wait (or use the fast forward, but I always overshoot).

Regards Rana


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Subject: RE: Lord of the Rings. Movie and songs.
From: Sorcha
Date: 21 Jul 00 - 05:54 PM

Yeah, on second thought, you guys are right about Hobbit accents, should be rural. I was just thinking about Eliza Doolittle and her delightfully "puckish" character. Remember, tho we Stoopid Americans can't usually distinguish a Somerset from an Exxex. That doesn't mean they can't use appropriate accents that UK'ers would recognize and apprceiate. Here's one for fun: I have no idea who is cast in this movie, but who would WE cast as whom? Sean Connery for Gandalf? (Sir Olivier, but not possible)Jane Seymour as Galadriel?


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Subject: RE: Lord of the Rings. Movie and songs.
From: Mbo
Date: 21 Jul 00 - 06:20 PM

Sorcha, SDShad has listed the principle actors portraying the characters further up in this thread. I am VERY happy with ther choices, except maybe Aragorn. But Hollywood has to make him a beefcake hero instead of a rough-looking "almost ugly" 80-year-old man, as Tolkien puts it. And yeah I know descendants of the Men of Westernesse lived longer than humans, but geez, anyone under 40 won't do in my book. But insiders say he's really good, so I'm looking forward to it...

--Mbo


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Subject: RE: Lord of the Rings. Movie and songs.
From: Sorcha
Date: 21 Jul 00 - 06:38 PM

Well,since I don't do movies much, forgive me if I have only heard of 3 of those people. Sorry, the Deaf Lady does not do theaters. Maybe Aragorn should be Sam Elliott with the proper Highland accent? LOL!


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Subject: RE: Lord of the Rings. Movie and songs.
From: Sorcha
Date: 21 Jul 00 - 07:31 PM

OK, I went to the movie site that Mbo sent me, and yes, they have done a very good job of casting. Let's hope the actual movie lives up to the advance billing. WHY can't they stick to the original story line, though? This drives me NUTSO (not that that is hard to do.......)What is this Arwen gizmo? Don't need it, JRR did not need it,anyway, to write a GREAT book. Movies just have to change something. Does anybody know how long this movie is? The mini series "Shogun" was 12 hrs, and left out a LOT!!


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Subject: RE: Lord of the Rings. Movie and songs.
From: Mbo
Date: 21 Jul 00 - 07:52 PM

Well Sorch, all together, we're looking at roughly 9 hrs.

--Mbo


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Subject: RE: Lord of the Rings. Movie and songs.
From: Sorcha
Date: 21 Jul 00 - 08:16 PM

Good grief!! Is this a Theater Release? or just a home Video? I can't imagine anyone sitting in a theater for 9 hours, or is is I, II, and III? I think I will join the cynical optimists here, and hope for the best!!


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Subject: RE: Lord of the Rings. Movie and songs.
From: Mbo
Date: 21 Jul 00 - 08:31 PM

It's three separate movies, to be released over the course of 3 years. Like the Star Wars movies are doing.

--Mbo


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Subject: RE: Lord of the Rings. Movie and songs.
From: Lepus Rex
Date: 21 Jul 00 - 09:35 PM

Damn, when's the Gormenghast movie going to be on PBS??? I'm ashamed to say that I have stack of Mervyn Peake books sitting in storage, that I've had for 10 years or so and STILL haven't got around to reading all the way through. I have to hurry, eh?

---Lepus Rex


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Subject: RE: Lord of the Rings. Movie and songs.
From: GUEST,Hilary in NZ
Date: 22 Jul 00 - 07:32 AM

Sorry I didn't get here earlier guys - but i am the bearer of bad tidings - the Hobbits will most likely have New Zealand accents!!
At least that's not as bad as Australian ones!!!! [:)] to Aussies reading!!!!
I'm just pissed off coz I auditioned as an extra, being 5' tall I thought I'd be a shoo-in. But I was told I wasn't wierd enough looking - a FIRST!!!
Most of New Zealand auditioned to be extras. We are very patriotic about the movies being made here. Most of New Zealand does in fact look like Middle Earth, or other places in the books - like the central mountains you will see in the internet clip. We are very proud of our bourgeoning film industry.
As far as the American accent and love interest thing - we are only 3 million not particularly well off people - and we (or Peter, actually,) had to get the money (very huge by NZ standards - Blair Witch was a monstrous budget by NZ standards!)somewhere!!! Tip - look out for Maori Orcs - VERY SCARY!!!


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Subject: RE: Lord of the Rings. Movie and songs.
From: Mbo
Date: 22 Jul 00 - 08:38 AM

Cool, Hilary! I was hoping we would get a first-hand account from our NZ 'Catters. Don't worry, being told you're not weird looking enough maybe a disapointment for not being in the movie, but in the long run it's a tremendous complement!

--Matt


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Subject: RE: Lord of the Rings. Movie and songs.
From: The Shambles
Date: 22 Jul 00 - 05:01 PM

More Lord of the Rings stuff is here. Celtic music on MP3


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Subject: RE: Lord of the Rings. Movie and songs.
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 22 Jul 00 - 08:43 PM

Translating Harry Potter? I think that is really extremely insulting to Americans. When's the translation of Huckleberry Finn into cis-Atlantic English coming out? Or the dubbed version of Dumbo?

I quite liked the Bakshi movie. Not polished, and uneven and thrown together, but the orc armies were impressive nightmares.

I can never understand it when people roll about laughing at the idea of characters in odd settings having American accents, as if they were any more out of place than English accents or Irish accents or whatever. You even get it when the characters involved are supposed to be Romans, for example!

What is more important is that people who are supposed to come from one place and one culture have accents consistent with each other. I'm all for New Zealand hobbits. The Shire is a place where it feels pretty settled and the rest of the world seems a long way off. Sounds more like New Zealand than England these days.

I don't think Tolkien would have gone for orcs sounding Russian.He was at pains to point out that in no way was the Lord of the Rings to be taken as any kind of analogy of the Cold War. (If anything orc talk reads more as if they are Londoners than anything...)


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Subject: RE: Lord of the Rings. Movie and songs.
From: Mbo
Date: 22 Jul 00 - 08:52 PM

Yes, if you listen to the conversation between Shagrat and Snaga the orcs, they sound shockingly like modern jack-nasties, being rude and swearing like less-savory Cockneys, and not sounding mythological at all. A very jolting feeling when you see how the talk so much like some people you know...

--Mbo


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Subject: RE: Lord of the Rings. Movie and songs.
From: GUEST,Wavestar
Date: 22 Jul 00 - 11:35 PM


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Subject: RE: Lord of the Rings. Movie and songs.
From: GUEST,Wavestar
Date: 22 Jul 00 - 11:38 PM

Actually, Tolkien said in his memoirs and other places that he always wanted to expand Arwen and Aragorn's love plot, but couldn't figure out how to do it without changing the tone of the book... women weren't his strong point, so he gave up. I think he would approve. I don't like the idea of her as another warrior princess, since that steals Eowyn's thunder, but I think if it's done well, it won't be THAT bad.

And accents.. are just tags we mentally assign people. What matters is what they say. I, for one, am looking forward to the movies...

-J


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Subject: RE: Lord of the Rings. Movie and songs.
From: Naemanson
Date: 27 Jul 00 - 10:47 AM

When my older daughter was 10 years old I read The Hobbit to her. Over the course of the next year I read her the entire LOTR trilogy. Even today, we remember that time as special. I would settle on the couch after supper and she would climb into my lap with the current book clutched in her hands. I would sip my tea and read another chapter doing my best, when Tolkien wasn't doing it, to leave her with a cliffhanger at the end of the session.

I'm afraid to say that experience has warped her entire psyche. She now loves the worlds of faerey. She writes of dragons and swords, love and sorcery. We have been engaged in an ongoing game of Dungeons and Dragons for the last seven years. I would be ashamed of having done this to her but I am too proud of her to be able to dredge up any shame. As I told one friend, her life has been touched by fairey dust and that has made all the difference.

If anyone wants to read some of her stuff send me a PM and I will give you the college web site where it is located.

And we are optimistic about the movie. We expect it will not meet our full vision of the books and are only hoping for an acceptable interpretation.


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Subject: RE: Lord of the Rings. Movie and songs.
From: GUEST,Banjo Johnny
Date: 27 Jul 00 - 02:39 PM

Three films, you say? This is PERFECT for our next (American) P.B.S. fund drive. Twenty minutes of Lord of the Rings, followed by:

"Ho, ho, ho!" intones the tuxedo-clad host, over a telephone-ringing soundtrack. "Isn't this just so wonderful!" He stands before a bank of listless volunteers costumed as hobbits and elves, pretending to answer the phones. "We'll get back to Frodo and his furry friends, right after we collect another two thousand dollars! And remember," he cautions, producing a Chinese-made ball cap, "for your contribution of $100, you'll receive this Official Gandalf cap! So keep watching Lord of the RINGS with us, and keep those phones RING-ing -- get it? -- haw haw!"

I can hardly wait. == Banjo Johnny


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Subject: SORT of the Rings
From: Clinton Hammond2
Date: 27 Jul 00 - 04:34 PM

And -THAT- is the reason that come pledge drive time, I find other stuff to watch...

Something tells me that it'll be a LOOOOONNNGGG time before you see this version of LOTR on PBS... New Line is aiming pretty high with this production... They have to to justify the $$ they are spending on what could be a huge flop! Some of us are hoping that after these movies come out, people will be asking, "George Lucas who?" and "Star Wars what?".

We should be so lucky eh!

{~`


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