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1979 24 May 00 - 07:53 PM
SeanM 24 May 00 - 07:57 PM
GUEST,Barry Finn 24 May 00 - 07:58 PM
SeanM 24 May 00 - 08:00 PM
GUEST,Barry Finn 24 May 00 - 08:05 PM
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Subject: Who wrote 'Come out ye Black and Tans?'
From: 1979
Date: 24 May 00 - 07:53 PM

Just looking for the authour

Chorus starts: Come out you black and tans come out and fight me like a man.
Show your wife how you won medals down in flanders.


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Subject: RE: Who wrote 'Come out ye Black and Tans?'
From: SeanM
Date: 24 May 00 - 07:57 PM

According to an earlier thread (here, the song was originally written by either Dominic or Stephen Behan.

Hope this helps...

M


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Subject: RE: Who wrote 'Come out ye Black and Tans?'
From: GUEST,Barry Finn
Date: 24 May 00 - 07:58 PM

I believe it was Dominic Behan. Barry


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Subject: RE: Who wrote 'Come out ye Black and Tans?'
From: SeanM
Date: 24 May 00 - 08:00 PM

Sorry... my mistake in posting. Author is either Dominic or Brendan Behan. Steven was the father...

M


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Subject: RE: Who wrote 'Come out ye Black and Tans?'
From: GUEST,Barry Finn
Date: 24 May 00 - 08:05 PM

Hi Sean, it's funny you mentioned his father, I've been told he was the man it was written for & about & that he'd sometimes come home roaring what was to become the songs refrain. Barry


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Subject: RE: Who wrote 'Come out ye Black and Tans?'
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 24 May 00 - 08:30 PM

The question might perhaps be "Who wrote down Come out ye Black and Tans"? Which might have a different answer from "who made it up?"


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Subject: RE: Who wrote 'Come out ye Black and Tans?'
From: Gary T
Date: 24 May 00 - 11:22 PM

Here's my post from the earlier thread (with my mistake on the name corrected):

I have it on a tape by Tom Dahill. He grew up in an Irish-American part of the Minneapolis/St. Paul area (in Minnesota, USA), and visited Ireland to flesh out his Irish music repertoire. As far as I know, he is still a professional singer/musician, doing mostly or exclusively Irish music.

He introduces the song with a bit of background for it. It was written by one of the Behan brothers (Dominick and Brendan--I think Dominick wrote it), and is based on their father Steven, mentioned in the song. They grew up in an area of Dublin that had many retired British Army officers. Steven Behan would often spend the night at the pub, then come home "under the influence" and call out his neighbors to fight.


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Subject: RE: Who wrote 'Come out ye Black and Tans?'
From: JedMarum
Date: 25 May 00 - 08:14 AM

... I wonder if any of Mr Behan Sr's neighbors ever took him up on his invitation - and if they did, I wonder how Mr Behan fared?


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Subject: RE: Who wrote 'Come out ye Black and Tans?'
From: Gary T
Date: 25 May 00 - 09:18 AM

Good question, Jed. One fellow rather tipsy, the other presumably rather old--probably not a world championship caliber scuffle.


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Subject: RE: Who wrote 'Come out ye Black and Tans?'
From: Jed at Work
Date: 25 May 00 - 02:05 PM

I get a chuckle out of imagining the scene.

Great song, though ... always seems to please the crowd. My great-grandfather Martin would have loved it.


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Subject: RE: Who wrote 'Come out ye Black and Tans?'
From: GUEST,Barry Finn
Date: 25 May 00 - 05:30 PM

It seems that all the Behan's were not to shy about using their hands. Dominick (from the same source as my source about his father) also tried to get his hands around Bob Dylan's throat when he was at a Dublin pub with Tommy Makem. So I guess we can all thank Tommy for Dylan's long lasting nasal wine. Barry


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Subject: RE: Who wrote 'Come out ye Black and Tans?'
From: GUEST,Neil Comer
Date: 25 May 00 - 05:44 PM

It has the same tune as ' The Bright Orange Heroes of Comber,' but entirely different sentiments and an very similiar tune to Rosc Catha na Mumhan ( The battle cry of Munster)much older, Gaelic song.


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Subject: Do you have anything on piaras mac gearailt
From: GUEST,Shelley
Date: 24 Mar 07 - 05:22 AM

if you have anything on piaras mac gearailt could you put it up soon because i have to do it for a homework project so if you do please put it on this page
thank you shelley


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Subject: RE: Who wrote 'Come out ye Black and Tans?'
From: GUEST,meself
Date: 24 Mar 07 - 06:08 AM

I would be the last one to encourage unsubstantiated gossip - but, c'mon Unca Barry, tell us more about the night Dominic Behan tried to throttle Bob Dylan!


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Subject: RE: Who wrote 'Come out ye Black and Tans?'
From: GUEST,doc.tom
Date: 24 Mar 07 - 06:10 AM

"It has the same tune as ' The Bright Orange Heroes of Comber,' but entirely different sentiments and an very similiar tune to Rosc Catha na Mumhan ( The battle cry of Munster)much older, Gaelic song." That makes it a fair bet it was Dominic who wrote it - his once stated aim was to write a song to every Irish tune he knew!


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Subject: RE: Who wrote 'Come out ye Black and Tans?'
From: MartinRyan
Date: 24 Mar 07 - 06:40 AM

Similarly - he seems to have written "Avondale" to the air of "The Orange Maid of Sligo"!

Regards


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Subject: RE: Who wrote 'Come out ye Black and Tans?'
From: Declan
Date: 24 Mar 07 - 07:34 AM

I don't know if the Dylan story is true, but the cause of the row (if there was one) may have been Dominic's song "The Patriot Game" which morphed into "With God on Our Side" composed by Mr Dylan.


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Subject: RE: Who wrote 'Come out ye Black and Tans?'
From: GUEST,Mike Miller
Date: 24 Mar 07 - 05:11 PM

Dominic Behan wrote many fine songs, using traditional melodies. My favorite is "The Sea Around Us" (...Long may it flow between England and me.) Brendan, probably, wrote "The Old Triangle".
It is of some interest that their uncle wrote "The Soldier's Song", which was adopted as the nation anthem of Ireland.


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Subject: RE: Who wrote 'Come out ye Black and Tans?'
From: GUEST,Scoville
Date: 24 Mar 07 - 05:31 PM

All right, so who wrote the words to "Come Out Ye Black and Tans"? Does that work better?


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Subject: RE: Who wrote 'Come out ye Black and Tans?'
From: Wolfgang
Date: 27 Mar 07 - 08:23 AM

The book "The Singing Irish" by Dominic Behan says about this song "Words and Music by Dominic Behan". That is not a proof, but many other songs in that book give the information "arranged and adapted by D.B." or something else. Only the minority of songs lists him as both the authros of lyrics and tune.

In his book, the song is titled Come out and fight

The lyrics in the DT are close to those in Behan's book, but in one place there is a sense altering change:
In the last verse the DT has the line
When each yeoman will be cast aside before us
whereas Behan has written "seonin" instead of "yeoman".
D. Behan: A seonin is rather worse than a collaborator, more deviously insiduous

Wolfgang


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Subject: RE: Who wrote 'Come out ye Black and Tans?'
From: Jim McLean
Date: 27 Mar 07 - 11:15 AM

Come out ye Black and Tans was published by JB Music, London, as an original song, words and music Dominic Behan, a company jointly owned by Dominic and myself. He quite often sang different words to those published, depending on how 'irate' he felt. Like all good folk songs, the melody is based on a trad tune.


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Subject: RE: Who wrote 'Come out ye Black and Tans?'
From: Shaneo
Date: 27 Mar 07 - 12:01 PM

Here is a verse that credits Steven as the writer.


Well the day is coming fast and the time is here at last,
When each yeoman will be cut aside before us,
And if there be a need, sure me kids would sing, "Godspeed,"
With a verse or two of Stephen Behan's chorus


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Subject: Lyr Add: COME OUT YE BLACK AND TANS
From: guitar
Date: 27 Mar 07 - 12:06 PM

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Come Out Ye Black and Tans
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From: Songs of Ireland
words by Steven Beehan, music traditional

I was born on a Dublin street where the Royal drums do beat
And the loving English feet they tramped all over us,
And each and every night when me father'd come home tight
He'd invite the neighbors outside with this chorus:

Oh, come out you black and tans,
Come out and fight me like a man
Show your wives how you won medals down in Flanders
Tell them how the IRA made you run like hell away,
From the green and lovely lanes in Killashandra.
Come let me hear you tell
How you slammed the great Pernell,
When you fought them well and truly persecuted,
Where are the smears and jeers
That you bravely let us hear
When our heroes of sixteen were executed.

Come tell us how you slew
Those brave Arabs two by two
Like the Zulus they had spears and bows and arrows,
How you bravely slew each one
With your sixteen pounder gun
And you frightened them poor natives to their marrow.

The day is coming fast
And the time is here at last,
When each yeoman will be cast aside before us,
And if there be a need
Sure my kids wil sing, "Godspeed!"
With a verse or two of Steven Beehan's chorus.

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verse/chorus:
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C G
C F C
C G F C

Background: Here's an Irish Rebel song by Steven Beehan that will get your Irish blood pumping!


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Subject: RE: Who wrote 'Come out ye Black and Tans?'
From: guitar
Date: 27 Mar 07 - 12:07 PM

I hope that helps,

I just can't get my blue clicky to work that's all


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Subject: RE: Who wrote 'Come out ye Black and Tans?'
From: Wolfgang
Date: 27 Mar 07 - 12:27 PM

Shaneo,

no, the verse does not credit Stephen Behan as the writer of the song. His son writes in the first person about his father. and credits him in the song for the chorus. Stephen Behan may have used the words "Come out ye Black and Tans" and "fight me like a man" or similar words long before his son made a song including these snippets.

Wolfgang


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Subject: RE: Who wrote 'Come out ye Black and Tans?'
From: GUEST,meself
Date: 27 Mar 07 - 01:46 PM

Wolfgang - I think you got thrown off, as I did on first reading, by the words: "With a verse or two of Steven Behan's chorus" - those words are actually part of the song, not a comment on it! In other words, it is a reference within the songs to Steven Behan and his nocturnal challenges to the former B&Ts.


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Subject: RE: Who wrote 'Come out ye Black and Tans?'
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 28 Mar 07 - 10:03 AM

Its a great song - its got everything - lyricism, humour......

Distance lends enchantment though. I daresay it was very offensive if you had lost someone on The Somme, or somesuch place.


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Subject: RE: Who wrote 'Come out ye Black and Tans?'
From: GUEST,meself
Date: 28 Mar 07 - 10:59 AM

Wolfgang - Sorry; I take back what I said in my previous post. I just re-read YOUR post, and clearly you understood the Steven Behan reference; I didn't read your post carefully enough, I guess!


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Subject: RE: Who wrote 'Come out ye Black and Tans?'
From: GUEST,sinky
Date: 28 Mar 07 - 11:01 AM

was it a gay jamaican?


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Subject: RE: Who wrote 'Come out ye Black and Tans?'
From: GUEST
Date: 28 Mar 07 - 11:06 AM

Not gay - just happy to see his celtic cousins doing so well!

Regards


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Subject: RE: Who wrote 'Come out ye Black and Tans?'
From: DannyC
Date: 28 Mar 07 - 12:10 PM

A couple of years ago my wife and I were summoned on the first Friday of March to The Richwood House on the southern Banks of the Ohio. A horseman, Tony, from the County Offaly was to be married to an Indiana girl on the following day. Tony had leased the entire riverbank premises to lodge the dozens of relations who had gathered for the blessed event. He is doing really well in Kentucky - running a farm for Steve Cauthen - who at age 16 won the American Triple Crown aboard the champion, Affirmed.

The wife and I set up in a high-ceiling parlor below a crystal chandelier (underpinned by some polished hardwood flooring) that opened into another big room.   We commenced to playing the music and singing a few ballads into the empty space - giving the assembled the opportunity to take us or leave us.   The rooms soon filled to the brim. The flooring yielded a nice crack to the welt of trimmed sole and sharp heel and the ascendancy chandelier trembled at the thought of the whole thing. We went on like that for countless merry hours - with loads of party pieces being offered for good measure.

Somewhere along the line a guest singer announced himself - Uncle Paddy Behan from Leix. These Behans (Tony's mother's people) are braw-boned with high-color and I felt a sort of familial comfort in their company. They mentioned they were relations of the famous Behans of Dublin song and story. (I think I remember reading somewhere of Brendan Behan being knocked out of a field into a night's sleep by a bull at some Leix relations' farm.)

Paddy did not want to fight me per se, but he did wonder aloud how we each might fare if it came to that. I suppose I provoked him in that our music was really getting the place stirred up and the blood was high throughout the place. Nothing came of it.

He was on his way to Nashville after the wedding to get himself discovered. On the following evening, he was to call out a barfull of Hoosiers in his post-celebration ramblings - but - despite the hostilities during his introductions - I am told he was soon received into the Hoosiers' company as a friend.

Anyway, there's my 21st Century Behan story. If I wandered too far from the point of the thread, I apologize.


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Subject: RE: Who wrote 'Come out ye Black and Tans?'
From: Wolfgang
Date: 28 Mar 07 - 12:24 PM

Meself, no problem. I admit to similar errors during my Mudcat time.

Wolfgang


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