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The gun debate. IN SONG.

The Shambles 26 Apr 00 - 06:29 AM
SINSULL 26 Apr 00 - 09:05 AM
The Shambles 27 Apr 00 - 07:34 PM
Greg F. 27 Apr 00 - 08:58 PM
GUEST, A.C. 27 Apr 00 - 09:16 PM
M. Ted (inactive) 27 Apr 00 - 09:31 PM
Greg F. 27 Apr 00 - 09:52 PM
GUEST, A.C. 27 Apr 00 - 10:00 PM
GUEST,The Yank 27 Apr 00 - 10:01 PM
Kelida 27 Apr 00 - 11:50 PM
The Shambles 28 Apr 00 - 07:27 AM
The Shambles 28 Apr 00 - 07:29 AM
M. Ted (inactive) 28 Apr 00 - 08:17 AM
M. Ted (inactive) 28 Apr 00 - 12:41 PM
GUEST,The Yank 28 Apr 00 - 01:10 PM
M. Ted (inactive) 28 Apr 00 - 01:34 PM
GUEST,Sandy Howarth 28 Apr 00 - 02:56 PM
Kelida 28 Apr 00 - 03:07 PM
GUEST, Fast Charlie 28 Apr 00 - 04:45 PM
Wesley S 28 Apr 00 - 05:16 PM
M. Ted (inactive) 28 Apr 00 - 05:24 PM
GUEST,Sir Arthur Conan and Doyle 28 Apr 00 - 05:43 PM
GUEST,Trish 28 Apr 00 - 05:45 PM
McGrath of Harlow 28 Apr 00 - 06:47 PM
M. Ted (inactive) 28 Apr 00 - 09:27 PM
M. Ted (inactive) 28 Apr 00 - 09:48 PM
GUEST,Geist 28 Apr 00 - 09:58 PM
Rick Fielding 28 Apr 00 - 10:36 PM
Rick Fielding 28 Apr 00 - 10:40 PM
Kelida 28 Apr 00 - 11:50 PM
The Shambles 29 Apr 00 - 07:01 AM
McGrath of Harlow 29 Apr 00 - 10:15 AM
McGrath of Harlow 29 Apr 00 - 10:18 AM
M. Ted (inactive) 29 Apr 00 - 11:01 AM
McGrath of Harlow 29 Apr 00 - 12:15 PM
M. Ted (inactive) 29 Apr 00 - 02:26 PM
McGrath of Harlow 29 Apr 00 - 03:30 PM
McGrath of Harlow 29 Apr 00 - 03:32 PM
Rick Fielding 29 Apr 00 - 03:46 PM
GUEST 29 Apr 00 - 06:40 PM
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Subject: The gun debate. IN SONG.
From: The Shambles
Date: 26 Apr 00 - 06:29 AM

Owning guns, to keep us safe.

You feel safe, when you've got a gun
I feel safe when you ain't got one
Want to be free and quote The Constitution?
The best place for you, is an institution

We are making war for peace
Help to make our profits increase
Trust us now and keep the faith
Owning guns to keep us safe


All the things that are made with a gun
Can be unmade with a just a bigger one
If you think a gun is part of the solution
The best place for you, is an institution

We are making war for peace
Help to make our profits increase
Trust us now and keep the faith
Owning guns to keep us safe


Well, it's just natural to have a gun
What's a hand for, if it's not to hold one?
If you want to exercise retribution?
The best place for me is an institution

We are making war for peace
Help to make our profits increase
Trust us now and keep the faith
Owning guns to keep us safe


Roger Gall 2000


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Subject: RE: The gun debate. IN SONG.
From: SINSULL
Date: 26 Apr 00 - 09:05 AM

Don't take your guns to town son
Leave your guns at home Bill
Don't take your guns to town...


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Subject: RE: The gun debate. IN SONG.
From: The Shambles
Date: 27 Apr 00 - 07:34 PM

Tears And Winter Rain(Song For Kayla)

The slightest glimpse of springtime
Drowned in tears and winter rain
Has the sun fallen so low
That it will never rise again?

Will things now be different?
Without you, they can never be the same
May the spark of your short life
Light a long and lasting flame

This life was not of her choosing
She made no choice to die
She did not 'choose her weapon'
Or choose not, to say goodbye
You and I do have a choice
And I choose to question why?
And if you choose to answer
Don't choose another 'bloody' lie


The slightest glimpse of springtime
Drowned in tears and winter rain
Has the sun fallen so low
That it will never rise again

Will things now be different?
Without you, they can never be the same
May the spark of your short life
Light a long and lasting flame

Roger Gall 2000


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Subject: RE: The gun debate. IN SONG.
From: Greg F.
Date: 27 Apr 00 - 08:58 PM

Hallelujah, Dads and Mommies
Cowboys, Rebels, Yanks and Commies
Buy yourself some real red-blooded fun!
If you want to make the grade
You've gotta have a hand grenade
and a fully automatic G.I. gun!

     So buy a gun for your son right away, sir
     Take his hand like a man and let him play, sir
     Let his little mind expand, place a weapon in his hand
     For the skills he learns today may some day pay, sir! (etc...)

          -Tom Paxton

That's all I can remember off the cuff- will try to look up & post the rest unless one of the quicker Mudcat Denizens beats me to it...

Greg


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Subject: RE: The gun debate. IN SONG.
From: GUEST, A.C.
Date: 27 Apr 00 - 09:16 PM

Song for the Unborn (or something like that)

Rat a tat. Rat a tat. Rat a tat. Rat a tat.
Rat a tat. Rat a tat. Rat a tat. Rat a tat.
Rat a tat. Rat a tat. Rat a tat. Rat a tat.
Rat a tat. Rat a tat. Rat a tat. Rat a tat.

Rat a tat. Rat a tat. Rat a tat. Rat a tat.
Rat a tat. Rat a tat. Rat a tat. Rat a tat.
Rat a tat. Rat a tat. Rat a tat. Rat a tat.
Rat a tat. Rat a tat. Rat a tat. Rat a tat.

Rat a tat. Rat a tat. Rat a tat. Rat a tat.
Rat a tat. Rat a tat. Rat a tat. Rat a tat.
Rat a tat. Rat a tat. Rat a tat. Rat a tat.
You're DEAD

© 2000 Askme Carefully


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Subject: RE: The gun debate. IN SONG.
From: M. Ted (inactive)
Date: 27 Apr 00 - 09:31 PM

Well Shambles, I think your song is a bit juvenile, and also rather insulting--the fact that is is in verse, as part of a song, really doesn't justify it--Alexander Pope and Oscar Wilde were notorious for expressing similar sentiments,, but they did it with wit and drollness--

This particularly is, well galling--"If you want to be free and quote the Constitution, The best place for you is in an institution"--though in truth, the awkward earnestness of the statement reflects more on you than on anyone else--

You know how important that can be--

At any rate--I said it to McGrath, and I'll say it to you--you don't know the first thing about life here--all you know about are news headlines--and those are dictated more by what politicians think will make their opponents look bad, than by what is really going on--

Americans know how to filter out the spin, and how to recognize the political bias in these news events--something that many outsiders have yet to learn how to do--

In truth, violence and violent crimes (as well as crimes in general) have been in steady decline here, for a number of years--

With all the fuss that is made about the epidemic of "kids murdering kids", it turns out that the actual number of these deaths last year in the US, is less than the number of people who drowned in their own bathwater during the same time period--


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Subject: Lyr Add: BUY A GUN FOR YOUR SON (Tom Paxton)
From: Greg F.
Date: 27 Apr 00 - 09:52 PM

BUY A GUN FOR YOUR SON
(Tom Paxton)

Hallelujah, Dads and Mommies
Cowboys, Rebels, Yanks and Commies
Buy yourself some real red-blooded fun!
If you want to make the grade
You've got to have a hand grenade
And a fully automatic G.I. gun!

     So buy a gun for your son right away, sir
     Shake his hand like a man and let him play, sir
     Let his little mind expand, place a weapon in his hand
     For the skills he learns today will some day pay, sir!

Pound that kid into submission
Til he's mastered nuclear fission
Buy him plastic warheads by the score
Once he's got the taste of blood he's
Gonna sneak up on his buddies
Starting his own thermonuclear war.

     CH.

Buy him khakis and fatigues
And sign him up in Little Leagues
And give him calisthenics as a rule
Once you've banished fear and dread
Then pat his seven-year-old head
And send him off to military school.

     CH.

Once he's grown to be a man
He might get tired of blastin' Granny
Then you'll see a crisis coming on
Don't get worried, don't get nervous
Send that kid into the Service
Let him rise into the Pentagon.

At the Pentagon he'll rise,
The President he will advise
His reputation growing all the while.
With your picture on the wall
He'll get that long-awaited call
And press the firing buttons with a smile.

     CH.


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Subject: RE: The gun debate. IN SONG.
From: GUEST, A.C.
Date: 27 Apr 00 - 10:00 PM

It was also dreadful rhyme.

Somebody should put you in an institution for writing such drivel.


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Subject: RE: The gun debate. IN SONG.
From: GUEST,The Yank
Date: 27 Apr 00 - 10:01 PM

Ah yes, the All-Powerful and All-Knowing Wizard, Mr.Ted, deigns to show us poor unfortunates the way to true enlightenment......


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Subject: RE: The gun debate. IN SONG.
From: Kelida
Date: 27 Apr 00 - 11:50 PM

Personally, I feel we should outlaw bathing. I'm a bit scared now--sounds dangerous. So here's a ditty I thought might describe some more fears of mine (as one of the "kids" that gun laws are supposed to protect). . .

Not-So-Irrational Fears
somewhat to the tune of "My Grandfather's Clock"

My mother's bathtub was quite deep, I should say,
And she bathed in it every day
Well one moment she was singing and shaving her legs
Then she drowned and she's gone, gone away

Chorus
Irrational fears seem so rational to me,
When I think of the scare over guns,
Drowning, and bee stings, and shark bites and more,
Death seems like it's always at my door.

I once knew a boy who was stung by a bee,
And he died of a deadly allergy
We were out on the playground climbing the monkey bars
Then he fell and he cried out to me.

Chorus

I was spending vacation swimming in the Florida Keys, When a shark came and chomped on my knee, My bleeding was profuse, and a tourniquet no use, I got gangrene and that was the end of me.

Chorus

These are all more likely to happen then someone taking a shot at me at school, so maybe we should outlaw bathtubs and start a genocidal war against bees and sharks? There are so many other things to worry about in life. Why worry about death until it happens. Personally, when I die, I die, but I plan on enjoying whatever time I have on this earth, and I can't do that if I'm always worrying about improbabilities. It's bad karma, you know. . .

Peace--Keli


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Subject: RE: The gun debate. IN SONG.
From: The Shambles
Date: 28 Apr 00 - 07:27 AM

Ted

Yes, it's insulting
Yes, it's juvenile
But at least it's there to be got at

Guns are insulting
Guns are juvenile
Your turn to put up, and be shot at

Put up or shut up
Do it better or do it worse
Doesn't matter what you say
But please say it in verse?


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Subject: RE: The gun debate. IN SONG.
From: The Shambles
Date: 28 Apr 00 - 07:29 AM

Keli

The certainty of youth
I wish I had it back
Alas, life's highway
Is just a one-way track

It appears so clear to you now
And everyone one else a fool?
Will you feel quite so sure
Packing your own ones, off to school?


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Subject: RE: The gun debate. IN SONG.
From: M. Ted (inactive)
Date: 28 Apr 00 - 08:17 AM

That's more like it, Sham--When you're funny, it is inspirational--Sorry I don't have time, but I will write something for you, in reply--

Yank--No one has ever said it so well, or so accurately--It's a keeper!!


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Subject: RE: The gun debate. IN SONG.
From: M. Ted (inactive)
Date: 28 Apr 00 - 12:41 PM

They asked,"Would you go to Great Britain?"
"A land full of pansies and kittens?
" He said, "Would be fun"
"But I can't bring my gun"
"And that isn't entirely fittin"

"We have guns in the land of "The Bard",
You can find them without looking hard
But they're kept in a box
"Cepting when we shoot fox,
And the occassional social retard"

"We were masters of killing, it's true
From Delhi to old Timbuktoo
Wog, nigger, or mick
If their accent was thick
We would "pop" them without much ado."

"But the days of the Empire are gone
And we buy all our tea from Taiwan
The sun seems to have set
So to Belfast we get
When we thrill for a kill with a gun"

Copyright 2000,Ted Boucher
All Rights Reserved(Including the Right to Bear Arms)


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Subject: RE: The gun debate. IN SONG.
From: GUEST,The Yank
Date: 28 Apr 00 - 01:10 PM

From: M.Ted
Date: 27-Apr-00 - 09:31 PM

I said it to McGrath, and I'll say it to you--
You don't know the first thing about life here-
I do
But Mr. Ted knows everything
About life in Great Britain, see
Can you spell
Hy-poc-ri-sy ??
(talking blues)

Copyright 2000 The Yank
All Slights Observed(Including those that aren't deserved)


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Subject: RE: The gun debate. IN SONG.
From: M. Ted (inactive)
Date: 28 Apr 00 - 01:34 PM

We dwelt neath the thumb of a mitten,
Of the Empire they once called Great Britain
We rejoiced to learn things
About poets and kings
But alas, we are no longer smitten!


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Subject: RE: The gun debate. IN SONG.
From: GUEST,Sandy Howarth
Date: 28 Apr 00 - 02:56 PM

MTed,

You must think you are awfully clever but I've got news for you, you are a show off and a clown. This is is absolute rubbish, an you ought to be ashamed for posting it. I have been reading some of the other threads today, as well, and in addition to being a hypocrite, you are condescending, and, as someone above so accurately said, "a know it all".I have noticed that there aren't as many people posting as there used to be, and who can blame them, when people like you use everything they say as an excuse to go on and on.


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Subject: RE: The gun debate. IN SONG.
From: Kelida
Date: 28 Apr 00 - 03:07 PM

I hope that my kids can grow up without fear,
In a world where violence and pain aren't near.
Is it too much to hope or idealistic?
Is a world in harmony just unrealistic?

Why can't we all just get along?
I know it's cliche, but would it be wrong,
To live in a world where people are kind
To each other, and there is respect for the mind?

Guns don't kill, but people do,
Why leave them go free 'till they do it to you?
Get the killers off the streets,
Don't wait until it's death you greet.

If people really want to kill,
They'll do it with gun, or car, or even pills
Outlawing the weapon won't undo or stop the crime
Don't wait to punish killers when there isn't time.

Peace--Keli


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Subject: RE: The gun debate. IN SONG.
From: GUEST, Fast Charlie
Date: 28 Apr 00 - 04:45 PM

"Yes, it's insulting
Yes, it's juvenile
But at least it's there to be got at"

And we do...and we do....and will continue to do


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Subject: RE: The gun debate. IN SONG.
From: Wesley S
Date: 28 Apr 00 - 05:16 PM

Steve Earle said -

"The devils right hand, the devils right hand

Momma said a pistol is the devils right hand"


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Subject: RE: The gun debate. IN SONG.
From: M. Ted (inactive)
Date: 28 Apr 00 - 05:24 PM

Ah, Sandy,

Thank you for the kind words...

But seriously--I was just "putting up" rather than "Shutting up" as Shambles asked--but, now that you mentioned it, I do think it was sort of clever--

But I think is is a bit unreasonable to expect limericks to be fair and balanced--

And I know all to well that I don't know-it-all(but I try!)


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Subject: RE: The gun debate. IN SONG.
From: GUEST,Sir Arthur Conan and Doyle
Date: 28 Apr 00 - 05:43 PM

Shingles (the artist formerly known as Shambles),

Without melody and chords as a reference point, you songs are merely poems.

The more I read your postings, the more I wish you were J.R. Ewing, and myself as Joel Grey, screaming:

DO IT!!!!!!!!!


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Subject: RE: The gun debate. IN SONG.
From: GUEST,Trish
Date: 28 Apr 00 - 05:45 PM

The song doen't mention guns, but Eric Bogle wrote "One Small Star" after the Dunblane (Scotland) massacre by Thomas Hamilton, who shot 16 5-year-olds and their teacher. The song is about surviving the aftermath.


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Subject: RE: The gun debate. IN SONG.
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 28 Apr 00 - 06:47 PM

I believe the theory of this thread
Is make it rhyme, and keep your head.
So here is my response in verse -
when sung it might be even worse:

My country is perfect, in all of its acts,
like no other place on the Earth.
Don't say we're just human, you don't know the facts
on account of the place of your birth
you have nothing to say that's of worth.

My country is perfect for all of its faults,
that noone can mention but me
when they shoot up a school with a couple of Colts,
it's the price that we pay to be free
unlike pansies from over the sea.

My country is perfect, and you make me sick
when you say that at times we are wrong;
you say you're as bad, but that's just some kind of trick
like it's all been a trick all along -
No, I don't like your foreigner's song.

("The Route of the Blues" is the tune I have in mind.
If you don't know, some other you can find.)


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Subject: RE: The gun debate. IN SONG.
From: M. Ted (inactive)
Date: 28 Apr 00 - 09:27 PM

It scans to"Poor Buttercup,
Poor little Buttercup"
At least, you repeat the first line
But I speak for myself
If you want something else
Write the verses yourself, I decline

When I talk of pansies, I only mean flowers
Though I know that you think that's not true
Still I do take delight
That you don't think's its right
When derision's directed at you

I grew up in a city all steel dark and grey
And we all struggled hard to survive
In this world vast and grand
We lived, mouth from hand
And none knew that we were alive

Today, I sit quiet and gaze at the earth
And I'm dragged from my sweet reverie
By a cruel trick of fate
Childrens death, crime of hate
With accounting demanded from me

And from far o'er the ocean from cause I know not
I hear voices of great indignation
Expressing outrage
At this scene on life's stage
Pointing blame at my country's foundation

Oh the country is vast and the borders extend
Past the limits of imagination
And I 'm just one man
Just a lone grain of sand
In a desert's enormous creation

so I ask why you care about these grains of sand
Or how you can tell from your distance
Which dark or which light
Which wrong or which right
And why do they need your assistance?


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Subject: RE: The gun debate. IN SONG.
From: M. Ted (inactive)
Date: 28 Apr 00 - 09:48 PM

-GUEST--I feel like your stepping outside the bounds of normal discussion and attempting to intimidate me--and since you have chosen not to post your name, or give any means of identifying yourself, it comes across as an anonymous stalker type of threat--

If this is not your intent--I would appreciate it if you would identify yourself, and clarify what your real intent is--


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Subject: RE: The gun debate. IN SONG.
From: GUEST,Geist
Date: 28 Apr 00 - 09:58 PM

Intimidate such a perfect wit as yourself??? Impossible, I say! Surely impossible!! Just don't let it bother you, as you keep suggesting to others.


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Subject: RE: The gun debate. IN SONG.
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 28 Apr 00 - 10:36 PM

Ah Shambles I know why you're trying,
It's tough what we read in the news.
Just too many young folks 'a dying
Trust me, We've ALL got the blues.
But sometimes the anger, tho' burning
is awkwardly spake, tho' not wrong
In ways to find peace, we're still learning
But this ain't your best-written song.

*********************

Guest Sandy, you're welcome as summer,
But mTed's been here for a while.
For all we know, you're just a "slummer",
And Ted's gave us many a smile.
Opinions, oh yes he has many,
Always a man for debate.
Valued 'round here just like any,
And his chord substitutions are great!

********************

Jeezus, this here doggerel writin' is hard!

McGonnigal


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Subject: RE: The gun debate. IN SONG.
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 28 Apr 00 - 10:40 PM

Whoops, after writing those bad poems, I forgot to say, "Novel idea, Sham. I don't think your material is strong this time, but good on ya, for thinking of an inventive way to deal with this debate."

Rick


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Subject: RE: The gun debate. IN SONG.
From: Kelida
Date: 28 Apr 00 - 11:50 PM

I think this thread was a very good idea, but I think too that like any other thread about controversy, there are going to be a certain number of flamers and trolls. Unfortunately, they have as much right to be here as anyone. I only wish that they could be articulate enough to get some sort of understandable point across. . .

Peace--Keli


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Subject: RE: The gun debate. IN SONG.
From: The Shambles
Date: 29 Apr 00 - 07:01 AM

The song's merits are not important

In a thread about guns
NOT, crossed swords

Rick,
Old son
The song
Maybe wrong
But wait till you hear ALL the chords


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Subject: RE: The gun debate. IN SONG.
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 29 Apr 00 - 10:15 AM

A brief Talking Blues (just to show it's not America as such I'm on about).

Just in case anyone gets it wrong,
I need another verse to that last song.
A verse looking sideways at the old UK. To balance the one about the USA Something that's crazy, that's evil and sad, that's as special to us as your guns and your flag... Any idea's?...

Morris dancing? No I won't alow that, no way! And the Queen? Well she's just showbiz today. And locking up innocent people's a crime, but you do that too, some of the time. Maybe...football hooligans... Thank the Lord, at least they don't have guns...


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Subject: RE: The gun debate. IN SONG.
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 29 Apr 00 - 10:18 AM

Once more - with line breaks this time.

Just in case anyone gets it wrong,
I need another verse to that last song.V A verse looking sideways at the old UK.
To balance the one about the USA
Something that's crazy, that's evil and sad,
that's as special to us as your guns and your flag... Any idea's?...

Morris dancing? No I won't allow that, no way!
And the Queen? Well she's just showbiz today.
And locking up innocent people's a crime,
but you do that too, some of the time.
Maybe...football hooligans... Thank the Lord, at least they don't have guns...


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Subject: RE: The gun debate. IN SONG.
From: M. Ted (inactive)
Date: 29 Apr 00 - 11:01 AM

(To the melody of the verse of "Red Wing")

As target of your wrath
We're curious, McGrath
If the home of your pointed witticism
Can be the target of your criticism?

Will soccer riots do?
We'll leave that up to you
We all await with bated breath
So hurry, Mac, or we'll catch our death!


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Subject: RE: The gun debate. IN SONG.
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 29 Apr 00 - 12:15 PM

My country is perfect, we're never to blame
although we are often provoked.
Some slight rough and tumble is part of the game,
when the odd football fan may get croaked.
But these foreigners don't see the joke


Prose interlude: But football volence in doesn't quite hit the spot. Start up a thread attacking it, I can't see anyone wading in to say it was a good thing, and part of the English way of life.

What I'm looking for is something that might have an equivalent charge to talking about guns in the American conntext - something that most English people think is great, and most other people see as disastrous. The idea that England has a useful role to play in Ireland might do, I suppose - it's interesting that the two most volatile topics on the Cat are gun laws and Ireland...

My country is perfect, we're eager to help
to sort out the world of today
Our neighbours are children, they cry and they yelp
and it's our job to order their play
and teach them to do what we say..

(Now that might mean the UK and Ireland, or the USA and Cuba.. ."If the cap fits, wear it", as they say.)


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Subject: RE: The gun debate. IN SONG.
From: M. Ted (inactive)
Date: 29 Apr 00 - 02:26 PM

Excuse my lack of verse
My rhymes keep getting worse
And it takes a lot more time
To get write and get my thoughts to rhyme

(Free verse, with political commentary, a la Ezra Pound-- can be sung to any of the 12-tone themes from Alban Berg's opera, Wozzack)

What you don't understand,
Contrary to your impression,
Is that most Americans
Do think the gun situation
Is disasterous--

If they didn't, you would never hear
About any of the problems,
Because they wouldn't be important,
And they'd never make the papers
Or the TV news--

What Americans
(even vegeatarian animal lovers)
don't like is the fact
that others seem prone
to slap our wrists
and say "no, no, no, bad children!!!
You and your constitution are all wrong!"

Someone has pointed
in another thread,
That the right to bear arms,
While delineated

In our Constitution,
Pre-existed the Constitution,
And in fact comes from English Common Law--
The same as you've got--

Keeping this in mind
I should be easy to find
A subject that you may treat in kind


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Subject: RE: The gun debate. IN SONG.
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 29 Apr 00 - 03:30 PM

Free verse is it? Right then, here's one I did earlier, as they say on the cookery programmes on the telly.

Dialogue of the Deaf

Everyone makes mistakes sometimes
We know that, though we do our best,
we are fallible.
You appear to believe
that we believe we never make mistakes.
This is so absurd
that you must be either fools or liars.
It is clear that you see us as our enemies,
and that we cannot trust you.
Therefore we must give you
no ammunition that you can use against us.
So we must at no time
admit to making any mistakes.

Everyone makes mistakes sometimes.
You never admit to making any mistakes.
This is so absurd
that you must be either fools or liars.
It is clear that you see us as your enemies,
and we cannot trust you.
Therefore we must give you
no opportunity to get away with any mistakes.
So we must at no time
admit that anything you do is right.

You criticise everything we do.
Apparently in your eyes,
we can do nothing right.
This is so absurd
that you must be either fools or liars.
It is clear that you see us as your enemies,
and we cannot trust you.
So we will not listen to any of your criticisms.

You never listen to our criticisms.
You appear to think that you never make mistakes.
This is so absurd
that you must be either fools or liars.
It is clear that you see us as your enemies,
and we cannot trust you.
If we letup, you will never admit
that you make mistakes.
Until you do that,
we will find fault with everything you do.


(I wrote this about my employers in Social Services, and the agencies attitude to outside criticism.


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Subject: RE: The gun debate. IN SONG.
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 29 Apr 00 - 03:32 PM

And here's another one, more directly on topic with this thread:

It seems to me the "gun debate" confuses two very different things - whether the present gun laws are adequate, and whether the constitution excludes tougher gun laws, as if that decided the issue:

Well, you didn't like Kings,
but the King was on the throne
so you changed the Constitution
Then the Constitution said
that a slave could be owned - so you changed the Constitution.

Then you didn't like drink,
but the Constitution did -
so you changed that law,
and the drink got hid.
Then you changed your minds,
"let's have a little drink" -
so you changed the Constitution.

So you don't like guns
but the Constitution says
you can keep your guns,
'cos that's your right.
But that's OK -
the American way
is "change the Constitution."

You can change your socks when they start to smell,
you can change your ways when they lead to hell.
So when the Times They are a-Changing - well,
you can change the Constitution.


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Subject: RE: The gun debate. IN SONG.
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 29 Apr 00 - 03:46 PM

Ted and McGrath, you've got the potential to be the "Flanders and Swan" of Mudcat! Very good satire on a tough subject.

Rick


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Subject: RE: The gun debate. IN SONG.
From: GUEST
Date: 29 Apr 00 - 06:40 PM

There should be severe penatties meted out for half-wit coddling: PLEASE don't encourage M.[oron] Ted in his antics; he's not in the least amusing.


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Subject: RE: The gun debate. IN SONG.
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 29 Apr 00 - 08:27 PM

Wow. Two guys who SIGN THEIR OWN NAMES putting their differences into ironic and (pretty) witty verse. By making a positive comment on this I am deserving of a "SEVERE PENALTY"? What might that penalty be? Perhaps "stealing my name", and posting insults, as was done to Moonchild last week. Perhaps starting a "B.S.MTed" thread with personal information in it (as you did last night) is the SEVERE PENALTY you're referring to. I truly hope not.

Rick Fielding


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Subject: RE: The gun debate. IN SONG.
From: GUEST
Date: 29 Apr 00 - 09:42 PM

No worries, Mate- you're not a moron! Far from it, in my humble opinion.

But it's hardly 'personal information' if its posted on the Web for a simple search to find, e.g.

Rick Fielding

[I deleted Rick's address and phone from this message. There's no reason for it to be here, especially when it's posted by someone who's afraid to state his or her own name].
Now, just cut it out, everybody, and get back to having fun and civil discussion.
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: The gun debate. IN SONG.
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 30 Apr 00 - 07:10 AM

Once again: read it and weep - once again a flasher does his thing on the Mudcat. Put it away laddie. No one's impressed.

The "right to bear arms" is a right I disdain,
the "right to arm bears" is the right I proclaim,
and the "right to arm possums" out there in the timber
and give those brave hunters a time to remember.


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Subject: RE: The gun debate. IN SONG.
From: The Shambles
Date: 30 Apr 00 - 10:41 AM

MUDCAT VOW.


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Subject: RE: The gun debate. IN SONG.
From: Greg F.
Date: 30 Apr 00 - 01:23 PM

McGrath-

LOVE the Gilbert & Sullivan bit! Wonderful- hadn't run across it before.

Greg


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Subject: RE: The gun debate. IN SONG.
From: Midchuck
Date: 30 Apr 00 - 04:51 PM

I made my contribution to this thread before it got started, but here it is if anyone missed it (if I did the BCT right).

Peter.


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Subject: RE: The gun debate. IN SONG.
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 03 May 00 - 02:56 PM

Now for a more light-hearted extension of this debate in song, try this Song Challenge thread


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Subject: RE: The gun debate. IN SONG.
From: marshman
Date: 04 May 00 - 12:46 PM

Since no one has responded to my request for lyrics thought I'd post this verse here. Does anyone recognize this ditty?
    You might say I was quite serene
    when I wrote your name with the M16
    But didn't I set the hostage free?
    Your getting bothered doesn't marry me.


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Subject: RE: The gun debate. IN SONG.
From: GUEST,paul
Date: 27 Jul 04 - 11:15 PM

Probably Dave Gordon, album = "natural causes". Very funny song. Check Famous Old Time Music Company (513) 242-1442. I think they have it on vinyl or cassette.

astronut1000@yahoo.com


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Subject: RE: The gun debate. IN SONG.
From: The Shambles
Date: 28 Jul 04 - 06:12 AM

The answer came, just like a shot,
Four years late, so I think not!
Have things got better, in all this time?
You you wish to answer, please do it in rhyme.....


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