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Alcoholism

GUEST,John Evans 20 Apr 00 - 06:12 PM
MarkS 20 Apr 00 - 06:20 PM
Irish sergeant 20 Apr 00 - 06:22 PM
SINSULL 20 Apr 00 - 06:33 PM
GUEST,threadie 20 Apr 00 - 06:44 PM
GUEST, Threadie 20 Apr 00 - 06:50 PM
GUEST,Threadie 20 Apr 00 - 06:54 PM
Rick Fielding 20 Apr 00 - 06:59 PM
GUEST, Threadie 20 Apr 00 - 07:03 PM
GUEST,John Evans 20 Apr 00 - 07:05 PM
Áine 20 Apr 00 - 07:05 PM
GUEST 20 Apr 00 - 07:12 PM
Irish sergeant 20 Apr 00 - 07:24 PM
GUEST,_gargoyle 20 Apr 00 - 07:25 PM
GUEST, Threadie 20 Apr 00 - 07:28 PM
GUEST, A.C. 20 Apr 00 - 07:30 PM
GUEST,gargs friend 20 Apr 00 - 07:31 PM
GUEST, A.C. 20 Apr 00 - 07:33 PM
GUEST 20 Apr 00 - 07:33 PM
GUEST, Threadie 20 Apr 00 - 07:35 PM
GUEST 20 Apr 00 - 07:35 PM
GUEST, A.C. 20 Apr 00 - 07:39 PM
Jon Freeman 20 Apr 00 - 07:39 PM
GUEST, Threadie 20 Apr 00 - 07:41 PM
Ed Pellow 20 Apr 00 - 07:44 PM
GUEST 20 Apr 00 - 08:36 PM
GUEST, Sam Slop 20 Apr 00 - 10:26 PM
GUEST, Sam Slop 20 Apr 00 - 10:28 PM
GUEST, Sam Slop 20 Apr 00 - 11:20 PM
GUEST,moonchild 20 Apr 00 - 11:30 PM
GUEST,Twitchy 20 Apr 00 - 11:32 PM
GUEST,mary g 20 Apr 00 - 11:33 PM
Kelida 20 Apr 00 - 11:34 PM
GUEST,Twitchy 20 Apr 00 - 11:39 PM
Kelida 20 Apr 00 - 11:39 PM
GUEST, Sam Slop 20 Apr 00 - 11:41 PM
GUEST,Twitchy 20 Apr 00 - 11:54 PM
Kelida 20 Apr 00 - 11:54 PM
GUEST 20 Apr 00 - 11:57 PM
Banjoman_CO 20 Apr 00 - 11:57 PM
GUEST 21 Apr 00 - 12:01 AM
Kelida 21 Apr 00 - 12:01 AM
mjm 21 Apr 00 - 12:06 AM
GUEST,BeetleJuice 21 Apr 00 - 12:07 AM
GUEST, Threadie 21 Apr 00 - 12:28 AM
Lonesome EJ 21 Apr 00 - 01:10 AM
GUEST 21 Apr 00 - 01:16 AM
DougR 21 Apr 00 - 01:22 AM
GUEST, Threadie 21 Apr 00 - 01:27 AM
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Subject: Alcoholism
From: GUEST,John Evans
Date: 20 Apr 00 - 06:12 PM

OK, I'll admit it - I'm really struggling with my drinking just now.

I like to think that I can control it - but if I'm honest I can't.

John


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Subject: RE: Alcoholism
From: MarkS
Date: 20 Apr 00 - 06:20 PM

Once you admit that you can't, then you can.
It takes that admission to make the support groups like AAA effective. They are, and you can be helped by them, as long as you are willing to acknowledge that you need the support.
I've seen many success stories within my circle and even my family. You can be one too. Go for it.


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Subject: RE: Alcoholism
From: Irish sergeant
Date: 20 Apr 00 - 06:22 PM

John: I've been there. If it helps, i got mine under control when I started playing guitar. I stay away from bars and such and don't usually keep it in the house, Neil


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Subject: RE: Alcoholism
From: SINSULL
Date: 20 Apr 00 - 06:33 PM

John, I have watched people I love kill themselves a little bit at a time with drugs and alcohol. The alcohol helped them dull the pain of emotions they were not capable of handling. Get help.

You and the people who love you deserve better.


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Subject: RE: Alcoholism
From: GUEST,threadie
Date: 20 Apr 00 - 06:44 PM

What has this to do with music???


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Subject: RE: Alcoholism
From: GUEST, Threadie
Date: 20 Apr 00 - 06:50 PM

Now, now, now. small threadie, you shouldn't be giving people a bad name. Go and get a capital letter for your self, and maybe people will be more inclined to believe you.

Naughty little sod.


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Subject: RE: Alcoholism
From: GUEST,Threadie
Date: 20 Apr 00 - 06:54 PM

We are legion - and case insensitive


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Subject: RE: Alcoholism
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 20 Apr 00 - 06:59 PM

Dearest Threadie...Oh, I know you mean well (you do, don't you?) and probably get very frustrated and some of the "tit for tat" chat around here. Who doesn't at times? But...

But.......Music, musicians and alcohol tragedies have been closely related since the first caveman played the drums.

I have watched so many friends lose their skills, gigs and friends because of acohol and drug stuff. Every day I see it.

John, if this is a legitimate post (and excuse me for asking...'cause some folks like to "flame" when they're bored) you'll find some friends and support around here. Hang in.

Rick


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Subject: RE: Alcoholism
From: GUEST, Threadie
Date: 20 Apr 00 - 07:03 PM

Don't forget the 'space' between 'Guest' and 'Threadie'. (Idiot)

And what's your problem with the subject?

Not musically related?

We beg to differ....


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Subject: RE: Alcoholism
From: GUEST,John Evans
Date: 20 Apr 00 - 07:05 PM

Thanks Rick

Sinsull said it all really - the people I love deserve better...

John


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Subject: RE: Alcoholism
From: Áine
Date: 20 Apr 00 - 07:05 PM

Dear John,

You can control it. If you're not in a group, then find one - right now. Go to the phone book and find a number to call -- there are plenty there. Don't overwhelm about tomorrow, or the rest of today. Take it a minute, an hour, a day at a time. And give yourself lots of credit for each second, minute, hour that you stay dry. Keep reading the encouraging messages on this thread and ignore the ones that aren't. My sister is in recovery, and she has a dog-earred poster that she's had for many years that still helps her every day. It's a picture of a baby duck emerging from a hollow log. Underneath the picture is written "Arise, Awake and Conquer!" Go for it, John -- you can do it!

-- Áine


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Subject: RE: Alcoholism
From: GUEST
Date: 20 Apr 00 - 07:12 PM

If you decide to quit...remember - you didn't develop the problem overnight, so you won't solve the problem overnight either. Don't be discouraged. The first few months are the hardest. As you slowly undo the habit over time, it gets easier, but the spectre of addiction will always be with you. Learn to view its constant companionship as an opponent worthy of your heroic resolve. Wars are won through a series of small victories. Each day that you emerge a victorious warrior over your desire to drink strengthens your courage. Such noble endeavors as beating an addiction were never meant to be gained easily.


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Subject: RE: Alcoholism
From: Irish sergeant
Date: 20 Apr 00 - 07:24 PM

Very sound advice Aine, Mark, Sinsul, Rick. There are resources out there John and the first step is to admit that you have a problem & can't do it alone. You have friends here. Guest Threadie; If you want to know what the subject has to do with music take a peek at how Janis Joplin and Hank Williams died to mention only two. Music isn't the driving force it is because it is static. Music drives us because it speaks to us of life's problems and blessings. Alcoholism is a great problem for millions. If you think it doesn't affect music, listen to some of George Jones stuff. Life is too short to listen to others try to enforce their opinions on how this sight should be run. You of course are entitled to express you opinion. That's the great thing about this sight. One would hope that you will learn a bit of tact and decorum before you do so again. Reguards to all, Neil


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Subject: RE: Alcoholism
From: GUEST,_gargoyle
Date: 20 Apr 00 - 07:25 PM

threadie - you're a jerk


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Subject: RE: Alcoholism
From: GUEST, Threadie
Date: 20 Apr 00 - 07:28 PM

They never busted me though, did they?...


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Subject: RE: Alcoholism
From: GUEST, A.C.
Date: 20 Apr 00 - 07:30 PM

Problems, fellas?


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Subject: RE: Alcoholism
From: GUEST,gargs friend
Date: 20 Apr 00 - 07:31 PM

but they might yet...


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Subject: RE: Alcoholism
From: GUEST, A.C.
Date: 20 Apr 00 - 07:33 PM

Did you get that Oh Threadster?


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Subject: RE: Alcoholism
From: GUEST
Date: 20 Apr 00 - 07:33 PM

love you all


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Subject: RE: Alcoholism
From: GUEST, Threadie
Date: 20 Apr 00 - 07:35 PM

Hang on a minute......Alt + Ctrl + F10......dee..de.de....dee.....de...ah.. ah....wait for it....

GOT YE!!!!

Ok then me old mate.
What say we do it again??


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Subject: RE: Alcoholism
From: GUEST
Date: 20 Apr 00 - 07:35 PM

i am superman


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Subject: RE: Alcoholism
From: GUEST, A.C.
Date: 20 Apr 00 - 07:39 PM

I think an adequate sum would be $500 to the Mudcat fund, don't you?

A.C. always on the lookout for new business opportunities.


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Subject: RE: Alcoholism
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 20 Apr 00 - 07:39 PM

John, I have struggled with alcoholism for many years. I seem to go round in the same circles. I drink more and more until I think it has gone too far, usually because I make myself feel ill (I am not a violent drunk), then I cut right back down to maybe a pint a day, then it builds up again.

I know that I am destroying myself with the drinking and the smoking but in all honesty, I am past the point of caring about it.

Having said that, I hoe you do manage to break the habbit.

Jon


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Subject: RE: Alcoholism
From: GUEST, Threadie
Date: 20 Apr 00 - 07:41 PM

Or the Shambles' fund for the Educationally Sub-Normal


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Subject: RE: Alcoholism
From: Ed Pellow
Date: 20 Apr 00 - 07:44 PM

This thread seems to be an odd mix of a really serious and important problem, combined with utter nonsence. Would it be possible for Joe Offer, or anyone else who can to zap the rubbish stuff?


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Subject: RE: Alcoholism
From: GUEST
Date: 20 Apr 00 - 08:36 PM

Alcololosim is a terminal disease. You cannot take it or leave it, it takes or leaves you. It is a fight you cannot win, because the disease has one very important difference from any otherr. It tells you that you don't have the disease in the first place. "I can take one and be fine after" "I only drink beer". If you know that you have a problem, just listen to yorself trying to talk you out of it. Look at the others, Morrison, Janis, Jimi, Elvis. These people were great, but it didn't stop them dying of addiction. So why think we are any different. Alcohol has always been a part of the music business, as have all the addicitve legal and illegal drugs. If you are having too much of a good time you will never give it up. There is a line you must cross first. It is a different line for everybody, but once you cross it you will know that any future denial of a problem is meaningless. This is really when your problems start. For once you take the alcohol away, you are left with the 'ism'. You will not be "cured" by reading these messages, in fact there is NO cure. There is no controll either. You have to get into that state of "enlightenment" where you don't want a drink, or a snort, or whatever. You can only get to that state by surrounding yourself with like-minded people who accept their affliction with humility. Then can the healing begin. It is good that you have sensed there is something not quite right about your drinking. Don't have a beer to celebrate this discovery. Good luck.


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Subject: RE: Alcoholism
From: GUEST, Sam Slop
Date: 20 Apr 00 - 10:26 PM

Eh.....Eh......shit

I forgot what I was going to say, now


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Subject: RE: Alcoholism
From: GUEST, Sam Slop
Date: 20 Apr 00 - 10:28 PM

Oh yeah.

Alcohol kills the short term......short term...Shit

Sorry folks.


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Subject: RE: Alcoholism
From: GUEST, Sam Slop
Date: 20 Apr 00 - 11:20 PM

Oh yeah....memory

Whew.


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Subject: RE: Alcoholism
From: GUEST,moonchild
Date: 20 Apr 00 - 11:30 PM

I am totally disgusted by the crap, trolls, and flames that now dominate this site, however, of all subjects relating to musicians, substance abuse is a prominent issue. How many folk musicians have killed themselves through their abuses? Many.

John Evans ... I apologize for the village idiots who have dominated your thread and made a mockery of your "confession."

I'm fortunate, in that I don't smoke and rarely drink, but I've been touched by both in my personal life. I've been told that admitting it the beginning. If this is where you have chosen to "admit" your addiction, my prayers are with you. If this is the only place you can bear to talk about it, I hope we can give you some support.

Please take Aine's advice and find a group. There, you will find support from others who have/are walking in your shoes.

Please keep us posted.

Are you a musician? If so, what do you play? Do you sing?

I'm celebrating Pesach (Passover). May you find your way out, as well ... shalom ... moonchild


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Subject: RE: Alcoholism
From: GUEST,Twitchy
Date: 20 Apr 00 - 11:32 PM

A string walks into a bar and orders a drink. "Sorry, we don't serve strings," says the bartender.
"What? That sucks," said the string.
So the string walks into the bathroom and ties himself in a knot and messes up his end. He comes back out and approaches the bar again and again orders a drink.
"Hey, aren't you that string?" asks the bartender.
"No. I'm a frayed knot."




A guy walks into a bar and sees a dog lying in the corner licking his balls. He turns to the bartender and says, "Boy, I wish I could do that."
The Bartender replies, "You'd better try petting him first."




An obviously intoxicated gentleman staggers into a tavern and seats himself at the bar. After being served, he notices a woman sitting a few stools down. He motions the bartender over and says "Bartender, I'd like to buy that old douchebag down there a drink."
Somewhat offended, the bartender replies "Sir, I run a respectable establishment, and I don't appreciate you calling my female customers douchebags."
The man looked ashamed of himself and muttered "You're right, that was uncalled for...please allow me to buy the woman a cocktail."
"That's better" said the bartender and he approached the woman.
"Ma'am, the gentleman down the bar would like to buy you a drink. What would you like?"
"How nice!" replied the woman, "I'll have a vinegar and water.


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Subject: RE: Alcoholism
From: GUEST,mary g
Date: 20 Apr 00 - 11:33 PM

in addition to getting help through AA and support groups, please get medical and nutritional help. Consider that you most likely have defects in your carbohydrate metabolism. There are vitamins and supplements that can help a lot, and a diet high in protein and fiberous vegetables and essential oils and low in sugars and white pasty starches (very very low) will probably help....mg


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Subject: RE: Alcoholism
From: Kelida
Date: 20 Apr 00 - 11:34 PM

*Is a bit pissed to see some people making light of a serious problem, but still determined to add her $0.02*

I'm not a drinker myself, especially since I can't even buy the stuff legally, but I know people who are drinkers, and I know people with serious drug problems who have (and many who have not) tried to quit.

John, I think it's wonderful that you have recognized your problem and want to stop. The other half of the battle will be sticking with it. Whatever you do, though, DON'T GIVE UP. Too many brilliant, talented, beautiful people ruin themselves with alcohol and drugs. I know a brilliant (or he could be) hacker who is smoking himself stupid with marijuana, and a young writer who is doing the same thing (mostly with ecstasy, but the same difference, just in pill for and worse). Also, don't believe all the "it's never to late to quit" bullshite. Don't procrastinate--stop now while you have the desire to do so.

Good luck, and I hope everything works out for you.

Peace--Bridget


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Subject: RE: Alcoholism
From: GUEST,Twitchy
Date: 20 Apr 00 - 11:39 PM

Hmmmm....Moonchild perhaps a gefilte fish enema, with a little extra ''horse-raddish'' added, might do you a bit of good? (Well at the least the cats in your neighborhood will adore you.)


(Chill Babe.)


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Subject: RE: Alcoholism
From: Kelida
Date: 20 Apr 00 - 11:39 PM

Sorry, "pill for" should be "pill form."

Peace--Bridget


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Subject: RE: Alcoholism
From: GUEST, Sam Slop
Date: 20 Apr 00 - 11:41 PM

Can you smoke extasy?


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Subject: RE: Alcoholism
From: GUEST,Twitchy
Date: 20 Apr 00 - 11:54 PM

Well Moon, you have sunk to an even lower level than any of us here could have every aspired to. Your posts should be banned, and no, you won't get any expeletives or profanity back from us. We tend to use humor and sarcasm as our weapons of choice -- some like, some don't and some ignore. If you can't handle it, go underground since you have expressed your disillusionment with the Forum, get yourself an anonyomous name, and swear to your heart's content. We'll smell you a mile away, and when we do we'll call Praise to pray for you and your wretched little Gibson.


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Subject: RE: Alcoholism
From: Kelida
Date: 20 Apr 00 - 11:54 PM

I second that, moonchild. . .

Pretty tasteless under the circumstances. And as far as I know, no, you cannot smoke ecstasy.

--Bridget


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Subject: RE: Alcoholism
From: GUEST
Date: 20 Apr 00 - 11:57 PM

"Oh", said Mummy Bear

"Who's been sleeping in my porridge?"


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Subject: RE: Alcoholism
From: Banjoman_CO
Date: 20 Apr 00 - 11:57 PM

John: thanks for your confession,it took a lot of guts. I lived in a bottle for 25 years. 18 years ago I was able to give it us. I developed a great faith in the Lord and AA. My friends in AA were great at helping me and supporting me. My wife was also a tremendous help. She stuck with me through it all. But my greatest help came from my faith in the Lord. For you it might not be the Lord. In AA we talk about a powere higher that we, whoever or whatever that might be. Get into an AA group. Go as many nights as you can a week. And use your sponsor. They are a God-send. Good Luck.

Banjoman


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Subject: RE: Alcoholism
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Apr 00 - 12:01 AM

The higher power does not necessarily include God, Banjoman, and you know this. Remember the 12 traditions. Don't give a one-sided view of AA. You could scare people off


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Subject: RE: Alcoholism
From: Kelida
Date: 21 Apr 00 - 12:01 AM

Twitchy, and other(s)--Is there any actual reason for you to make light of this situation? It's tasteless and cruel. The picture was a RIDICULOUS waste of space, and was simply and utterly inappropriate for the situation. If your problem is that this isn't music related, you don't have to participate in this thread. If that isn't your problem, you STILL don't have to participate. Please, and I am asking nicely, refrain from being overtly cruel.

--Bridget


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Subject: RE: Alcoholism
From: mjm
Date: 21 Apr 00 - 12:06 AM

Wow, Mr Evans, There is so much going on in here. The dynamics are just incredible. I've read them all and re-read quite a few. Seems to me, Mr Evans, an impressive number of these threads have nasty problems themselves. But yours is bound to have a happy ending, I think. God Bless you. m


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Subject: RE: Alcoholism
From: GUEST,BeetleJuice
Date: 21 Apr 00 - 12:07 AM

...Mary Poppins should be arriving anytime now with several spoonfulls...


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Subject: RE: Alcoholism
From: GUEST, Threadie
Date: 21 Apr 00 - 12:28 AM

It seems some people don't know who their enemies are.

John, another symptom is the classic persecution complex that appears alongside Alcoholism. Those who would help you, remember, are maybe not the best qualified to do so. The GUEST who suggested that you seek out likeminded people in a likeminded place has a vital point.

Anybody who drinks - ANYBODY who even has 1 pint every 10 years is NOT qualified. Why?

Because they haven't left it behind them yet, and if I read your post right, you want to.

Don't take advice from drinkers, and remember, you also have to lighten up on yourself. And humor is important.

And for the rest of you morose people. Go and mix yourselves a Martini, and let on that everything is OK.


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Subject: RE: Alcoholism
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 21 Apr 00 - 01:10 AM

John. you really expose yourself to receiving a raft of crap by starting a thread with such a confession. Since, obviously, you have identified your drinking as a problem, I hope you will pursue a solution and begin a process of recovery. Banjoman has identified himself as an AA member. You might personal message him (you would have to become a member first) for more details about the program. Or PM me or any other sympathetic folks if you just want someone to talk about it to. Best of luck to you, John.

LEJ


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Subject: RE: Alcoholism
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Apr 00 - 01:16 AM

"identified himself as an AA member."

Kind of a contradiction in terms, innit?


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Subject: RE: Alcoholism
From: DougR
Date: 21 Apr 00 - 01:22 AM

'Tis a pity. Guest, Threadie thinks he's funny.

DougR


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Subject: RE: Alcoholism
From: GUEST, Threadie
Date: 21 Apr 00 - 01:27 AM

And what was that Doug.

It was neither helpful, nor humorous

How's the scotch and ice coming along?


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Subject: RE: Alcoholism
From: DougR
Date: 21 Apr 00 - 02:03 AM

Don't drink scotch, Threadie. Didn't intend it to be humorous. Not sure you'd recognize "humor" if you saw it anyway.

DougR


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