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BS: If you were completely honest...

Jerry Rasmussen 16 Oct 01 - 10:56 PM
Amos 23 Feb 01 - 02:18 PM
wysiwyg 23 Feb 01 - 10:53 AM
GUEST,just visiting 23 Feb 01 - 01:38 AM
Matt_R 22 Feb 01 - 10:11 PM
Lonesome EJ 22 Feb 01 - 10:02 PM
wysiwyg 12 Mar 00 - 01:59 PM
Amos 12 Mar 00 - 12:17 PM
wysiwyg 12 Mar 00 - 02:07 AM
wysiwyg 11 Mar 00 - 07:51 PM
Clinton Hammond2 06 Mar 00 - 05:47 PM
Osmium 05 Mar 00 - 06:38 PM
canoer 05 Mar 00 - 02:18 AM
wysiwyg 04 Mar 00 - 11:21 PM
Little Neophyte 04 Mar 00 - 10:57 PM
Mbo 04 Mar 00 - 08:39 PM
GUEST,John Gray / Australia 04 Mar 00 - 08:20 PM
Barbara 04 Mar 00 - 06:21 PM
wysiwyg 04 Mar 00 - 11:06 AM
Amos 04 Mar 00 - 10:31 AM
Little Neophyte 04 Mar 00 - 07:54 AM
catspaw49 04 Mar 00 - 07:01 AM
katlaughing 04 Mar 00 - 06:40 AM
Metchosin 04 Mar 00 - 05:48 AM
canoer 04 Mar 00 - 04:19 AM
catspaw49 04 Mar 00 - 01:09 AM
Amos 04 Mar 00 - 12:55 AM
Metchosin 03 Mar 00 - 11:55 PM
Metchosin 03 Mar 00 - 11:49 PM
Mbo 03 Mar 00 - 10:09 PM
Little Neophyte 03 Mar 00 - 09:44 PM
The Shambles 03 Mar 00 - 09:39 PM
catspaw49 03 Mar 00 - 09:38 PM
Little Neophyte 03 Mar 00 - 09:36 PM
Mbo 03 Mar 00 - 09:33 PM
catspaw49 03 Mar 00 - 09:24 PM
Mbo 03 Mar 00 - 08:51 PM
katlaughing 03 Mar 00 - 08:33 PM
Amos 03 Mar 00 - 08:03 PM
catspaw49 03 Mar 00 - 07:42 PM
Amos 03 Mar 00 - 07:37 PM
catspaw49 03 Mar 00 - 07:32 PM
Osmium 03 Mar 00 - 07:01 PM
catspaw49 03 Mar 00 - 06:41 PM
Amos 03 Mar 00 - 06:14 PM
catspaw49 03 Mar 00 - 06:10 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: If you were completely honest...
From: Jerry Rasmussen
Date: 16 Oct 01 - 10:56 PM

If you believe in Him, think about this one:

What if you could see yourself as God sees you?

No more pinnin' leaves..


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Subject: RE: BS: If you were completely honest...
From: Amos
Date: 23 Feb 01 - 02:18 PM

I dunno about swampwater -- that sounds like opinion about opinion, but I am happy to start a second installment of this thread for ease of loading. Feel free to find it over here.Amos


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Subject: RE: BS: If you were completely honest...
From: wysiwyg
Date: 23 Feb 01 - 10:53 AM

.... sigh .... why today?

I was called Praise when this thread began a year ago... but when I changed my name to WYSIWYG all the post tags in the old threads were changed retroactively too.

Amos and I did practice with each other as we had agreed in this thread to do. I think we bounced all over the universe in the process. And deep into each other's hearts, for the universe lies there as well.

It was wonderful, it was hard, it was many-faceted, and it was enormously time-consuming. It was complex like the structures of the universe; and it was simple, as truth ultimately is. It resulted in a friendship, complete with some of the very warts I think we'd meant to transcend in the honesty! Oh well, human beans!

One outcome for me was that I am much more honest and much more relaxed about it, in all of my relationships. This is not, however, because we "practiced." It's because the practice was allowed (by us both) to push past comfort. Many, many blowout sessions (RC-style, co-counseling, see www.rc.org) resulted. To pracice with one individual meant to do the session work necessary to keep the agreement and keep the communication flowing. Without that-- there would have been no progress at all, for me.

We were talking about this the other day, this thread, this "experiment" to practice. I said, as I recall, that we had ended up flunking in favor of friendship. He said, yeah, but we scored way higher than anyone else! Then he said-- and I laughed for what seemed like hours-- that we had totally broken the curve.

So yeah, this was a real interesting thread. For me, though, only because it was APPLIED.

So if we are going to a Part Two, can we please PLEASE talk about what is real, what we actually DO, or what we'd like to DO and can commit to TRYING?

Can we please NOT just fling opinions like a wet dog shakes off swampwater?

~Susan


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Subject: RE: BS: If you were completely honest...
From: GUEST,just visiting
Date: 23 Feb 01 - 01:38 AM

It IS good. Can someone start a part two?


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Subject: RE: BS: If you were completely honest...
From: Matt_R
Date: 22 Feb 01 - 10:11 PM

This was a good thread. Wow..did I really write that stuff up there? I've changed a lot in the last year.


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Subject: RE: BS: If you were completely honest...
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 22 Feb 01 - 10:02 PM

Refreshing this thread from a year ago, because it is one of the most interesting we've ever had.


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Subject: RE: BS: If you were completely honest...
From: wysiwyg
Date: 12 Mar 00 - 01:59 PM

Yum!


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Subject: RE: BS: If you were completely honest...
From: Amos
Date: 12 Mar 00 - 12:17 PM

I think it is inaccurate to say there is no truth -- I know of three kinds.

The first is the awareness of an event, correctly communicated with a full ssense of time, place, and quality of what occurred. Physical descriptions, for example, within the range of their defined terms, can be true. This is the ordinary truth of saying what happened rather than knowingly lying about it.

The kind of truth which makes up integrity is being clear that you've seen what you've seen, knowing what you know, saying what you know, and being willing to experience and know anything. This is an internal personal sense of truth.

The third kind is the ultimate knowing that is your innmost self, the ultimate I, independant of forms, identities, or labels, which transcends even time and normal space, which could have no other name.

So althought here are many mnay ways of seeing I wouldn't say it was correct to disallow the existence of truth. Sorry if this too philosophical for yer tastes, but I felt it needed to be said.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: If you were completely honest...
From: wysiwyg
Date: 12 Mar 00 - 02:07 AM

wefresh


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Subject: RE: BS: If you were completely honest...
From: wysiwyg
Date: 11 Mar 00 - 07:51 PM

This is so long in the loading that I almost didn't refresh it, but I am curious how what began here may be operating in your lives now, just over a week later. I guess if refreshing it brings a lot more replies we should "snip" this thread and blue-clickie to another. I don't presume to know if that will happen, so instead of starting a new one that will be unposted to, I'll post here and see what develops.

It's been just over a week since this began. Good God, what a time it has been!!! Who was I last week, I am more and less, now.

I would start by saying that the kind of honesty we have talked about here, and the ideals implied, take an enormous amount of time and other resources to fulfill. It matters with whom you make that allocation of resources. It matters why you're engaged in it. It matters to stay aware of how it is happening, and to be equally honest about that as about the things that the honesty might have begun over.

Honesty for honesty's sake does not apparently hold much interest for me, but honesty for the sake of something or someone I hold dear is of enormous interest. And honesty for the sake of that which I hold dear, seems to lead to holding the someone dearly as well.

I give thanks for the touching of lives this thread has led to.

And I apologize for poorly constructed sentences in the rush to say what I am speaking of! to! over! about!


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Subject: RE: BS: If you were completely honest...
From: Clinton Hammond2
Date: 06 Mar 00 - 05:47 PM

I didn't read this whole thread, but I do gotta add this, just as my 0.02...

there is no truth...

Only how each of us interpret what we see, experience, whatever...

My truth isn't the same as anyone elses, so how can I expect anyone to understand what I think of as the truth?

It's kinda like the line from "Driving Miss Daisy" from Hoak (sp?)

"How do you know how well I can see unless you can look out of my eyes?"

No one is possible of seeing the world from anything other that theri own point of view... We can try to empathise, but we can never fully understand...

I'm stopping here before this goes on for pages and pages... I think I've kinda made my point...

Say what ya mean, Mean what ya say, and stand by it!


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Subject: RE: BS: If you were completely honest...
From: Osmium
Date: 05 Mar 00 - 06:38 PM

I have little to add to this except thread that I have to concur that we could all do better if we didn't leave quite so many unsung heroes around the place. Life can be a bitch but there are plenty of people out there trying to smooth troubled waters and sometimes they need a little verbal recognition. A butterfly's wings.....the ripples forever spread.


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Subject: RE: BS: If you were completely honest...
From: canoer
Date: 05 Mar 00 - 02:18 AM

Oh, goodie. It worked.

I'm pleased that you folks found something worthwhile in my post.

Little notes back:

Amos, yes, the old Prot. Eth. In relation to us never getting credit for the good stuff, there's a quote I love: "Whatever you attribute to God, you take away from mankind." (Marx)

Little Bonnie hit most closely the type of experience out of which I wrote.

Barbara, consider, it's the feedback from others that helps us know ourselves. I suspect that without others' help, we are largely mysteries to ourselves, don't you think?

John Gray hits the "applied" part: it can be pretty tough to know how much to say, to whom, in what circumstances, without doing more damage than good. John, looking at it as one from the States, I'd say you laid it on pretty thick in relation to what "guys" can take in public. On the other hand, jeez, did he cry just because you were recognizing him for his character as he had never heard anyone do before? I think I might cry too. Maybe no one had been this honest to his face – which is where my post began, the good that is left undone by appreciations not spoken.


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Subject: RE: BS: If you were completely honest...
From: wysiwyg
Date: 04 Mar 00 - 11:21 PM

Barbara for Queen!!!

Loved what you said, how you said it,how it made me feel.

Made me want to know you better.

Made me proud to be a woman, don't know why.

Maybe because you raise the standard up to something honorable to shoot for.


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Subject: RE: BS: If you were completely honest...
From: Little Neophyte
Date: 04 Mar 00 - 10:57 PM

Barbara, thanks for your posting. It was very insightful and I think it sums up much of the problem we have been trying to tackle on this important thread Amos started.

Canoer has kindly navigated us back into the sunlight.

And JohnGray, if a woman were to misinterpret your compliments then she is missing out on your wonderful kindness.

Little Neo


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Subject: RE: BS: If you were completely honest...
From: Mbo
Date: 04 Mar 00 - 08:39 PM

Thanks for the Shakespeare quotes, Met. How could I forget ol' Polonius' words! And I call myself a Bard Buff! Thanks again for reminding me!

--Mbo ('Tis pity, 'tis pity, 'tis true, 'tis pity)


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Subject: RE: BS: If you were completely honest...
From: GUEST,John Gray / Australia
Date: 04 Mar 00 - 08:20 PM

Spot on Canoer ! But reactions vary. 1. One evening a week a group of friends and I gather at my ex-servicemen's club for dinner and a few coldies. Recently one of blokes ( a good friend of mine, age 45 ) bought his mother along. I took the opportunity to tell her, and the others, what a wonderful, kind & decent man I considered her son to be. ( recent events had proven this to be so ). Well my friend started to cry and was embarassed. What does this say ? Men have difficulty in taking on board "personal" type compliments in public ? I don't know, but I was certainly being honest and the result was that my friend was uncomfortable. 2. Women put in quite a bit of effort, and some dollars, on their personal appearance. And, I would guess, it's nice to be noticed. ( I,m sure the gals will put me right if I,m guessing wrong but my dear Mum,s adage was "it's better to be looked over than overlooked" ). Well, I do notice and I say so. It might be a compliment over a new hair colour /style, new shoes or whatever. Once again, I'm being honest but some of the return looks can be interpreted as questioning my motives.

JG / FME


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Subject: RE: BS: If you were completely honest...
From: Barbara
Date: 04 Mar 00 - 06:21 PM

It's interesting, isn't it, how many of us want this without being able to say clearly what "truth" is. As folk musicians, I think we have ears better tuned to hearing what is true than many people in the world today, because we hear more of it than most. And I don't mean things like "They're cutting down all our trees" tho it may be true. I mean personal things like "my music is in your hands".
Pause a minute before I answer someone and look at myself to see why I want to say what I want to say. Am I showing off? Do I want to fix them because I am uncomfortable with their pain? Does it cause me guilt? Does it satisfy me to correct someone (like we all learned in school)? Do I say something flattering because I want them to like me? Do I want to impress them? Do I want to hurt them? Am I trying to control them? Make them angry?

To do this, I have to know myself, and to know myself I have to get past being who I think I should be. I have to be able to see myself. Then I can see the other person For something I say to be true, it must come from both my head and heart. And I have to be in the present, not responding to something from my past. This doesn't mean it has to be nice. It can be something like "I don't enjoy listening to you complain." Or "That is bullshit." Nor does it have to be something critical.
Amos, I really like what you have brought to Mudcat when you added yourself to the mix.

How many people listen to what the other person is saying before responding?

I think we want to say and hear what is true, because it is what makes community, and intimacy. It means we really know each other, and only when you are really seen can you be loved, respected, appreciated. Otherwise the facade gets the recognition, not the self.

The Quakers say "answer to that of God in every one" or "speak to the Light".

Blessings,
Barbara


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Subject: RE: BS: If you were completely honest...
From: wysiwyg
Date: 04 Mar 00 - 11:06 AM

You were all only looking at the negative side??? Hello? Have we met? No? Oh! It's wonderful to meet you!

Yes, praising does lead to interesting things, sometimes various anatomical parts even sparkle.

One image: apparently in my boundless positivity when first getting to know someone, I convey the impression of a small dog launching itself into their arms to lick them all over. Oops, didn't see those barriers! Yes, I am willing to mentally lick most people all over, and BTW-- WHY is that always taken as a sexual comment?

Another: a barrel full of crabs, with one trying to claw its way up and out, and the rest grabbing on to that one trying to crawl out too, and instead just pulling it back down. However another always begins the process again.

The last: a woman with her heart lifted high, full of those she loves, full of her Lord and Savior, praising all to our Creator, while the Evil works to stop the racket and get back to seriously messing around, but the song is invariably resumed, stronger than before.

Such can be the consequences of praise. Some of you have been praised already, although sadly quite imperfectly. How is that working for you?


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Subject: RE: BS: If you were completely honest...
From: Amos
Date: 04 Mar 00 - 10:31 AM

Canoer,

you really did a service flipping the flow with t hat one simple post. Nicely done.

I've often had a similar thought about luck itself -- those raised in the Protestant Ethic tend to feel they have to take "responsibility" for their bad luck, as though it were a reflection of themselves in some way, but they hardly ever are inclined to take personal responsibility for good events, calling them "luck" or "blessings". The former implies the cause of it was the machinery of the universe, random chance, and the latter implies the source (in some lexicons) was a Big Guy Behind A Cloud.



I'd rather take personal credit for any good luck I have, and blame the bad on other forces, if it were just up to me. I'd feel more heroic and life would be an intersting contest at beating the gods and wnning. :>)


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Subject: RE: BS: If you were completely honest...
From: Little Neophyte
Date: 04 Mar 00 - 07:54 AM

Great thought to wake up to canoer.
We still can in many ways move beyond the silence and complement another person when we see a quality in them we admire. It can be embarassing, or maybe we will worry that they might take it the wrong way, but I think it is well worth the effort.
If I think back to times that I have been told about my good attributes, abilities and character traits, I never forgot it. Especially when it came out of the blue from someone I never expected would say anything about me. I held onto those words like precious gems, even to this day.
Thanks Lar, wonderful thought
Bonnie


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Subject: RE: BS: If you were completely honest...
From: catspaw49
Date: 04 Mar 00 - 07:01 AM

EXCELLENT thought canoer!!!!

BAD joke kat!!!

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: If you were completely honest...
From: katlaughing
Date: 04 Mar 00 - 06:40 AM

Thank you Canoer/Larry! That is a very important flip side of the coin. Interesting to contemplate all the reasons why we may sometimes feel embarrassed when receiving compliments.

(Though I doubt Hardiman the Fiddler ever feels that way when receiving Praise!!**BG** No offense intended HtF & Praise!)

katlaughing


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Subject: RE: BS: If you were completely honest...
From: Metchosin
Date: 04 Mar 00 - 05:48 AM

it was worth more than 2 cents Canoer, it was priceless. Thank you.

Susan


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Subject: RE: BS: If you were completely honest...
From: canoer
Date: 04 Mar 00 - 04:19 AM

This is the most amazing place ….

I don't know why "being honest" always is about faults. About-face! Look on the other side. How many people are "honest" about the good things they see in other people? In fact if others heard us tell them about the good attributes, abilities, character traits, we see in them – it would generally be a very embarassing situation also! Or at least we fear it would be. So we remain "silent" and therefore "less than honest" – and mostly people don't get to hear in words how admirable we may find them, or what admirable aspects, at any rate.

But we seem to automatically link "being honest" with dealing with faults.

I'm not sure this even rates 2 cents …

Larry C.


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Subject: RE: BS: If you were completely honest...
From: catspaw49
Date: 04 Mar 00 - 01:09 AM

Ya' done good Amos.....But avoid those night sweats and nightmares........Well actually, the nightmares are OK but I had a stallion show up one night and I didn't sleep for 11 days.

And there is honesty in BS that sometimes exceeds the tactful diplomacy of normal conversation. As Lord Byron always reminds me, "If I laugh at any mortal thing, tis that I may not weep."

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: If you were completely honest...
From: Amos
Date: 04 Mar 00 - 12:55 AM

Spaw:

Had me laughing out out on your imitation of convoluted philosophical language. You really crack me up.

Sometimes I think, Spaw that in your rough and tough humour and inner mushiness you really are the most honest person I know in the whole world. Then I wake up sweating and turn the light on.

I hope you understand I do not think of you as a jerk. I was just trying to use a vocabulary that would communicate.


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Subject: RE: BS: If you were completely honest...
From: Metchosin
Date: 03 Mar 00 - 11:55 PM

or
This above all: to thine own self be true, And it must follow, as the night the day,
Thou canst not be false to any man.
Hamlet I,3
Polonius to Laertes


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Subject: RE: BS: If you were completely honest...
From: Metchosin
Date: 03 Mar 00 - 11:49 PM

Mbo, "That truth should be silent I had almost forgot"
Antony and Cleopatra II,2
Enobarbus to Antony


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Subject: RE: BS: If you were completely honest...
From: Mbo
Date: 03 Mar 00 - 10:09 PM

BS? C'mon, it wasn't THAT bad, was it? Shakespeare lover, that's me. I wonder what The Bard would have to say on the subject....if I only knew where to look.

--mbo


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Subject: RE: BS: If you were completely honest...
From: Little Neophyte
Date: 03 Mar 00 - 09:44 PM

Very spooky Catspaw, so spooky that I am not only going to look under my bed before I go to sleep, I shall look to see who is in it too.

Bon


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Subject: RE: BS: If you were completely honest...
From: The Shambles
Date: 03 Mar 00 - 09:39 PM

Good try. But honesty and BS don't really go too well together, do they?.

All credit to the honest ones.


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Subject: RE: BS: If you were completely honest...
From: catspaw49
Date: 03 Mar 00 - 09:38 PM

Spooky sometimes, ain't it Bonnie?

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: If you were completely honest...
From: Little Neophyte
Date: 03 Mar 00 - 09:36 PM

Don't be sorry Mbo, we all love you.

LN


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Subject: RE: BS: If you were completely honest...
From: Mbo
Date: 03 Mar 00 - 09:33 PM

No one got my joke way up there, I guess? Sorry.

--Mbo


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Subject: RE: BS: If you were completely honest...
From: catspaw49
Date: 03 Mar 00 - 09:24 PM

To be honest, and to be the honest thing, the necessary elements involved in the honest thing must have in and of themselves a thing which contains that which is honest and therefore honorable without the feeling of honesty within all sides of the elements of the honorable thing, although the sum parts can be arranged to not produce the honest thing unless each component of the whole is arranged in such a way as to juxtaposition the the honest sides.

Amos Kierkegaard


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Subject: RE: BS: If you were completely honest...
From: Mbo
Date: 03 Mar 00 - 08:51 PM

Oooh...if I was totally honest about all you folks, I'd be in a LOT of trouble! Honesty is only a personal thing, and sometimes one's own belief of what they are honest about can be flawed.

--Mbo


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Subject: RE: BS: If you were completely honest...
From: katlaughing
Date: 03 Mar 00 - 08:33 PM

Ooooo. NOW we ARE being completely honest, aren't we boys??!!**BG** And, who you all calling big-assed, huh? Good blackmail mater-ial in this one, now!!!Heeheehee

Bonnie, it's okay, darlin', just remember the silence is part of the balance, too.

kat


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Subject: RE: BS: If you were completely honest...
From: Amos
Date: 03 Mar 00 - 08:03 PM

Hey, man, go describe your own fucking whang -- we're having a serious conversation here!!!f

So I suppose you think blowing on a**holes is a contribution, huh, anything for a ~~)(* possum, but ask a serious question and "I'm outta here" as the bishop said to the actress...Actually I was trying to say something simple. Let me know when the coast is clear and I'll pop out and say it. You jerk...)

A


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Subject: RE: BS: If you were completely honest...
From: catspaw49
Date: 03 Mar 00 - 07:42 PM

Well thank gawd.....that last bit sounded a lot like Soren Kierkegaard. We used to make up things like SK describing his whang........

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: If you were completely honest...
From: Amos
Date: 03 Mar 00 - 07:37 PM

My sense is that for an individual to be honest with himself is the core thing, by which I mean he knows what he has seen, and can say what he has seen and that he has seen it, without self-deception. I guess I do not see automatic virtue in telling truth, whole truth to all and sundry, but if you lie to yourself, convince yourself that your explanations are true, then you are on the path downward...I have to run off leaving this incomplete.


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Subject: RE: BS: If you were completely honest...
From: catspaw49
Date: 03 Mar 00 - 07:32 PM

We seem to be getting quite a few "big assed wives" here.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: If you were completely honest...
From: Osmium
Date: 03 Mar 00 - 07:01 PM

i almost hate to do this but if your going to go deeply into "honesty" and define it as "telling the truth" then it pays to question what is "truth". Each witness will have their own interpretation of what was the "truth" and part of the "truth" that they witnessed will depend on the baggage (good or bad) that they carry. There are simple truths such as my wife's ass is just a bit big on which we might all agree (God help me if she reads this) and there are not so simple truths on which we might find it very difficult to agree. And somwhere here I think we get into the arena of belief systems; whcich is why "honest, sincere and intelligent people" will still find room to disagree.
If we could deliver the "truth" as we see it with just that modicum of knowledge that it is possible that we are wrong or that there has been a misinterpretation of someone else motives perhaps we could be more "honest" withou hurt than we customarily are?

But I could be wrong!


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Subject: RE: BS: If you were completely honest...
From: catspaw49
Date: 03 Mar 00 - 06:41 PM

Well Amos, like the ol' boy said, "I doan mind bein et by thet bar, but I shur hate ta git shit out over thet cliff."

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: If you were completely honest...
From: Amos
Date: 03 Mar 00 - 06:14 PM

Well, I'm glad you're avoiding that teedjusness...I would hate to think I had inadvertantly fed you to the assholes! :>))

A


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Subject: RE: BS: If you were completely honest...
From: catspaw49
Date: 03 Mar 00 - 06:10 PM

I think this is a "mostly" safe public forum and there are some who would use things against others...and NOT in jest. I don't particularly give a turkey what anyone thinks of me, but tickling the ass of a baboon may provoke a shit storm and its gets 'teedjus" stepping around the blobs.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: If you were completely honest...
From: Amos
Date: 03 Mar 00 - 05:59 PM

Bonnie --

I thought your last posting was courageous and admirable. I sort of feel embarassed that only two people wanted to follow this lead, but, maybe even a safe public forum is too much open space for some brands ofhonesty, especially if it is a place where one has had his emotional fingers scorched in the past. So we can let it drift on downstream, but I wanted to thank you for saying what you did. No regrets.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: If you were completely honest...
From: Biskit
Date: 03 Mar 00 - 04:59 PM

Man what honesty, what courage, what self awareness, I am humbled by it all. Now I'm sure someone is thinking I'm being a smartalec but truley i'm not I just wish I could come up with a gracious answer when my wife asks me........Do these pants make my butt look to big???If you say why no honey, she says your just being nice. I guess the best,(and most honest)answer has always been your fanny always looks great to me baby then you get one of those half smiles that always say I think your lying but thats ok. What's a (honest) boy to do?. -Biskit-


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Subject: RE: BS: If you were completely honest...
From: Little Neophyte
Date: 03 Mar 00 - 04:28 PM

Thanks for sharing your thoughts Fortunato. Personally, I think I could have used some of that duct tape on my last posting.

Bonnie


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Subject: RE: BS: If you were completely honest...
From: Amos
Date: 03 Mar 00 - 04:20 PM

Nice quote, mbo, and well said.


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