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Lyr Add: Lady Alice Child ballad #85

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GEORGE COLLINS
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Felipa 23 Feb 21 - 09:38 PM
Reinhard 24 Feb 21 - 02:37 AM
GUEST,Mike Yates 24 Feb 21 - 03:43 AM
GUEST,Mike Yates 24 Feb 21 - 03:45 AM
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Subject: Lyr Add: Lady Alice Child ballad #85
From: Felipa
Date: 23 Feb 21 - 09:38 PM

https://www.sacred-texts.com/neu/eng/child/index.htm

It's easy enough to see a relationship with the song "George Collins"

85A: Lady Alice


85A.1        LADY ALICE was sitting in her bower-window,
        Mending her midnight quoif,
        And there she saw as fine a corpse
        As ever she saw in her life.
85A.2        ‘What bear ye, what bear ye, ye six men tall?
        What bear ye on your shoulders?’
        ‘We bear the corpse of Giles Collins,
        An old and true lover of yours.’
85A.3        ‘O lay him down gently, ye six men tall,
        All on the grass so green,
        And tomorrow, when the sun goes down,
        Lady Alice a corpse shall be seen.
85A.4        ‘And bury me in Saint Mary’s church,
        All for my love so true,
        And make me a garland of marjoram,
        And of lemon-thyme, and rue.’
85A.5        Giles Collins was buried all in the east,
        Lady Alice all in the west,
        And the roses that grew on Giles Collins’s grave,
        They reached Lady Alice’s breast.
85A.6        The priest of the parish he chanced to pass,
        And he severed those roses in twain;
        Sure never were seen such true lovers before,
        Nor eer will there be again.



85B.1        GILES COLLINS he said to his old mother,
        Mother, come bind up my head,
        And sent to the parson of our parish,
        For tomorrow I shall be dead. dead,
        For tomorrow I shall be dead.
85B.2        His mother she made him some water-gruel,
        And stirrd it round with a spoon;
        Giles Collins he ate up his water-gruel,
        And died before ’twas noon.
85B.3        Lady Anna was sitting at her window,
        Mending her night-robe and coif;
        She saw the very prettiest corpse
        She’d seen in all her life.
85B.4        ‘What bear ye there, ye six strong men,
        Upon your shoulders so high?’
        ‘We bear the body of Giles Collins,
        Who for love of you did die.’
85B.5        ‘Set him down, set him down,’ Lady Anna she cry’d,
        ‘On the grass that grows so green;
        Tomorrow, before the clock strikes ten,
        My body shall lye by hisn.’
85B.6        Lady Anna was buried in the east,
        Giles Collins was buried in the west;
        There grew a lilly from Giles Collins
        That touchd Lady Anna’s breast.
85B.7        There blew a cold north-easterly wind,
        And cut this lilly in twain,
        Which never there was seen before,
        And it never will again.


85[C]: Lady Alice


85[C].1        Giles Collin he said to his mother one day,
        Oh, mother, come bind up my head!
        For tommorow morning before it is day
        I’m sure I shall be dead.
85[C.2]        ‘Oh, mother, oh, mother, if I should die,
        And I am sure I shall,
        I will not be buried in our churchyard,
        But under Lady Alice’s wall.’
85[C.3]        His mother she made him some water-gruel,
        And stirred it up with a spoon;
        Giles Collin he ate but one spoonful,
        And died before it was noon.
85[C.4]        Lady Alice was sitting in her window,
        All dressed in her night-coif;
        She saw as pretty a corpse go by
        As ever she’d seen in her life.
85[C.5]        ‘What bear ye there, ye six tall men?
        What bear ye on your shourn?’
        ‘We bear the body of Giles Collin,
        Who was a true lover of yourn.’
85[C.6]        ‘Down with him, down with him, upon the grass,
        The grass that grows so green;
        For tomorrow morning before it is day
        My body shall lie by him.’
85[C.7]        Her mother she made her some plum-gruel,
        With spices all of the best;
        Lady Alice she ate but one spoonful,
        And the doctor he ate up the rest.
85[C.8]        Giles Collin was laid in the lower chancel,
        Lady Alice all in the higher;
        There grew up a rose from Lady Alice’s breast,
        And from Giles Collin’s a briar.
85[C.9]        And they grew, and they grew, to the very church-top,
        Until they could grow no higher,
        And twisted and twined in a true-lover’s knot,
        Which made all the parish admire.

sung by Kelsie Nicole


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Lady Alice Child ballad #85
From: Reinhard
Date: 24 Feb 21 - 02:37 AM

And both Clerk Colvill / George Collins (Child 42) and Lady Alice (Child 85) have the same Roud number 147 ...


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Lady Alice Child ballad #85
From: GUEST,Mike Yates
Date: 24 Feb 21 - 03:43 AM

This is my note from the Musical Traditions CD 'Here's Luck to a Man...Gypsy Songs and Music from South-East England' (MTCD320):

Although assigned the number 'Child 65' by most collectors, Ewan MacColl & Peggy Seeger have pointed out that it is, 'made up of floater-verses from a number of ballads and yet does not appear to be derived from any particular one'. MacColl & Seeger have identified lines from at least ten Child ballads. These are: Lady Maisry (Child 65), Lord Lovel (Child 75), Little Musgrave (Child 81), The Knight and Shepherd's Daughter (Child 110), Child Maurice (Child 83), Fair Mary of Wallington (Child 91), Bonny Barbara Allen (Child 84), Fair Margaret and Sweet William (Child 74), The Gypsy Laddie (Child 200) and Geordie (Child 209). They conclude with the comment, 'What does stand out, and make this song unique, is that a whole series of ballad formulas have been selected and put together in a form which has remained stable'. See Travellers' Songs from England and Scotland by MacColl & Seeger, London, 1977, pp.112-15.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Lady Alice Child ballad #85
From: GUEST,Mike Yates
Date: 24 Feb 21 - 03:45 AM

Forget the above. I'm confusing two ballads. Sorry.


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