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Subject: RE: BS: Keto diet - anybody try it? Like it?
From: Jack Campin
Date: 07 Mar 21 - 05:54 AM

The four day period is a starting point - long enough to avoid restimulating immune responses, but establishing ketosis might take longer. You'd need to experiment.


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Subject: RE: BS: Keto diet - anybody try it? Like it?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 06 Mar 21 - 05:21 PM

I think that may be where I head, Jack Campin, but then that makes every day-after-that-4th day a crazy day... Hmmm. Thanks, y'all.


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Subject: RE: BS: Keto diet - anybody try it? Like it?
From: Jeri
Date: 06 Mar 21 - 10:12 AM

It's 200-ish calories a day. Find something you'd like to snack on.
My problem with weight loss (and probably a lot of people's) is that once I lose the weight, I start eating normally. "Normally" meaning I eat what I used to eat to gain the weight.


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Subject: RE: BS: Keto diet - anybody try it? Like it?
From: Jack Campin
Date: 06 Mar 21 - 09:27 AM

Rotation diet? Make every fourth day a carb day? Works for many kinds of food intolerance


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Subject: RE: BS: Keto diet - anybody try it? Like it?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 06 Mar 21 - 07:43 AM

Yeah, my numbers are good and I feel great but I want to maintain my weight and I am not. Despite eating a lot. I am now down about 2 stone in about 14 months, or about 2 pounds a month for that long. Not all steady-like, but on average from the total.

I did not mean Temporary Weightloss as in You put it all back on after. I meant temporary diet FOR weight loss and after, you go back to eating in a way that you stop losing weight.

If I could figure out how to eat this way and not lose weight, I think I could stave off medication for longer.


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Subject: RE: BS: Keto diet - anybody try it? Like it?
From: mg
Date: 05 Mar 21 - 11:18 PM

keto is not for temporary weight loss. if you don't lose weight and you feel lousy, find another eating plan. if you lose weight and your numbers at the doctor are great and you feel wonderful and you have more stamina and energy..then you probably need to eat a version of this..adapting to your own metabolism..forever. we all have a limit of how many carbs we can eat and maintain a good weight. mine is very very low and i am not active enough. if you ski every day you can eat more. if your ancestors are from one group of people and were very healthy you could probably eat what they ate..lots of fish perhaps..or lots of fruit perhaps. problem is by now most of us are quite mixed genetically so we generally don't know. i would start with getting my insulin..along with blood sugar..but insist on insulin..checked. some people need fish oils because they don't produce the right fatty acids..ancestors probably ate a lot of fish so they did not need to produce acids themselves. if you need certain fatty acids and don't produce them or eat them...you can very well have brain imbalances.


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Subject: RE: BS: Keto diet - anybody try it? Like it?
From: Jeri
Date: 05 Mar 21 - 06:09 PM

"Our gloriously traditional British v sign" - you mean the backwards "peace" sign? I know how to say it in Hangul (Korean), too.


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Subject: RE: BS: Keto diet - anybody try it? Like it?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 05 Mar 21 - 05:04 PM

Hmmm. Good to hear it might be possible.


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Subject: RE: BS: Keto diet - anybody try it? Like it?
From: Jack Campin
Date: 05 Mar 21 - 09:52 AM

I know one person on it for psychiatric/neurological reasons who's likely to stay on it very long term.   Regressive autism with regular grand mal fits starting at age 7. His mother is a doctor and tried everything. The keto diet helped a lot with the fits but not much with the autism. She tried something else - I forget what - which did make a difference (I haven't seen him since before). Meanwhile the kid is on a very complicated dietary regimen he doesn't have a prayer of ever understanding.


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Subject: RE: BS: Keto diet - anybody try it? Like it?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 05 Mar 21 - 09:39 AM

It's good for a change, a yank swearing like a Brit..

To be commended and encouraged...

All too often it's Brits being over Americanized in their vulgar vocabulary and finger gestures..

"Bugger" is a beautifully expressive traditional multi-purpose utility swear word...

Now if only we can get the yanks to start adopting our gloriously traditional British v sign...


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Subject: RE: BS: Keto diet - anybody try it? Like it?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 05 Mar 21 - 09:00 AM

It is not looking as if keto *can* be a lifestyle choice. Bugger. It really is only a temporary, weightloss, thing. There does not appear to be a way to maintain weight, pH, bone density etc while not consuming carbs.

Bugger all. I am going to have to use medication, I fear, eventually.


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Subject: RE: BS: Keto diet - anybody try it? Like it?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 04 Mar 21 - 09:29 PM

Hilarious!


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Subject: RE: BS: Keto diet - anybody try it? Like it?
From: Jack Campin
Date: 04 Mar 21 - 08:24 PM

This just in...

Keto crotch


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Subject: RE: BS: Keto diet - anybody try it? Like it?
From: Jos
Date: 03 Mar 21 - 10:55 AM

He was probably posting to the Recipe thread, which seems to have got in here by mistake.


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Subject: RE: BS: Keto diet - anybody try it? Like it?
From: Jeri
Date: 03 Mar 21 - 10:52 AM

Did I just see Steve? (insert winky-face here)

Oh look - a Wookey Hole Website (As a cheeseaholic, I'm tempted.)


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Subject: RE: BS: Keto diet - anybody try it? Like it?
From: Jos
Date: 03 Mar 21 - 10:17 AM

Not that Wookey Hole is in Cheddar. Do they store cheese in Cheddar's Cox's or Gough's caves?


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Subject: RE: BS: Keto diet - anybody try it? Like it?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 03 Mar 21 - 10:03 AM

That's right. Wookey Hole caves have a lot to answer for. I always have a large stash of that cheese just in case we get snowed in.

Oops... not supposed to be here...


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Subject: RE: BS: Keto diet - anybody try it? Like it?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 03 Mar 21 - 09:17 AM

When I was most self-disciplined following a gym weight training diet,
the only cheese I was allowed was cottage cheese.
Which I had to eat on a daily basis for protein.

Possibly one of the next most boring foods to tofu...

I grew up not too far from Cheddar in Somerset.
From infancy cheddar has been been a staple diet necessity and a flavour my wellbeing depends on.

Cheddar dealers hook us young,
and no amount of rehab can break this lifelong addiction...


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Subject: RE: BS: Keto diet - anybody try it? Like it?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 03 Mar 21 - 07:44 AM

Seizures are neuro- but not psychological, but yeah, keto was developed for epilepsy. My shrink says there may(!) be beginning(!) to be evidence for bipolar, and it does help *me*...

But just gluten-free diet does not. That is, I get the same lability from rice, potatoes, anything starchy.

However I don't know if keto is going to be a good *lifestyle* choice, ie, permanent way of eating. I have a feeling ketosis is not where one wants to be forever.

On the other hand, I gave up cheese for weight control long ago, maybe I could welcome it back.


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Subject: RE: BS: Keto diet - anybody try it? Like it?
From: Jack Campin
Date: 02 Mar 21 - 08:47 PM

This thread started out focused on psychiatric results, not weight loss. Keto seems to work for one psychiatric problem - seizures - and not definitely for anything else.

But other kinds of diet DO work, for specific (and not very common) conditions - and they are both easy to confuse with keto and quite a bit easier to manage, with fewer risks. A keto diet will probably eliminate gluten and greatly reduce fructose intake - both of those have well known psychiatric effects for SOME people. But it's way easier to manage a gluten-free (or gluten- and casein-free) diet than it is a keto one, and the harmful effects are zero (most of humanity has stuck to a gf/cf diet for most of human history and we're still here). Allowing a much wider range of foods makes it way easier to avoid nutrient deficiencies and lead a normal life.

There are a lot of other dietary results you will incidentally get from a keto diet that don't actually need such a drastic regimen. So it's worth trying to figure out what the real problem is. Ketosis might not be involved at all.


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Subject: RE: BS: Keto diet - anybody try it? Like it?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 02 Mar 21 - 08:24 PM

"That's a very proper gander."
-J. Thurber


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Subject: RE: BS: Keto diet - anybody try it? Like it?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 02 Mar 21 - 08:21 PM

One of the other sites I dip into everyday,
for a few minutes recreational random reading is Quota.

Today, one question and answer about a lesser known movie star's dramatic obesity loss and muscle gain started off interesting but gradually became suspiciously more like an infomercial for keto..

Yep, the expert answering the question,
(presumably to a question set up by a shill..???)
is a 'qualified' keto propagandist salesman...


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Subject: RE: BS: Keto diet - anybody try it? Like it?
From: robomatic
Date: 02 Mar 21 - 07:27 PM

There was a Nova episode called: "The Truth About Fat". It mentioned the case of a television show called "The Biggest Loser" where many overweight to severely obese people lost weight on a near competitive basis. One of the people is interviewed by Nova, he lost more than half his body weight going from 400 plus pounds to something like 180.

Almost none of the people festured on that series were able to keep the weight off. In the case of the man who was part of the Nova program, they established that while he was losing weight, his body-mind was in starvation mode and adjusted his basal metabolism downward. That low metabolic rate did not change. Long after he lost the weight and resumed eating 'normally', whatever that was, his base metabolism was far below that of a regular person.

I submit that until we know how to manage those 'set points' around metabolic rate and base weight, we won't have a handle on long term weight loss and maintenance.

Right now there are some contradictory appearances: That sustained weight loss and weight control are extremely difficult even when the subject has will power. Yet it is obvious that weight gain and obesity have magnified across the world in the past fifty years. So clearly somethings have changed. Right now there are many self anointed experts who claim that their big idea explains the situation. But do they?


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Subject: RE: BS: Keto diet - anybody try it? Like it?
From: meself
Date: 02 Mar 21 - 01:43 PM

Funny - I came onto this thread yesterday just after watching a video on youtube about the wonders of the keto diet - and, you know, when you're a dullard in matters of biochemistry, etc., you're kind of vulnerable to seeming experts. Reading this thread - apart from the unpleasantness - was something of a tonic - which is to say, that I appreciate the effort and thought put into some of its posts, whatever the motivation. I didn't skip breakfast this morning, which had been my original, brief, plan ... !


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Subject: RE: BS: Keto diet - anybody try it? Like it?
From: Jack Campin
Date: 02 Mar 21 - 03:31 AM

Doesn't mean much in itself but confirms some of the problems for the heart with a keto diet:

https://www.iflscience.com/health-and-medicine/keto-diets-cause-scarring-of-heart-tissue-and-inhibit-mitochondria-production-in-rats/


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Subject: RE: BS: Keto diet - anybody try it? Like it?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 02 Mar 21 - 02:37 AM

Well, I have heard that Viagra does cause pop ups. And the adverts say it is the ke(y)to greater pleasure...


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Subject: RE: BS: Keto diet - anybody try it? Like it?
From: keberoxu
Date: 01 Mar 21 - 07:52 PM

Accchhhh, these pop-up adverts.

Here I was, reading the posts about the keto diet,
and suddenly there before my eyes
was a pop-up peddling Viagra ...


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Subject: RE: BS: Keto diet - anybody try it? Like it?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 01 Mar 21 - 12:18 PM

Thanks, Jeri. You put across my point far more succinnctly

Relevent sections on Mudcatiquette - Here


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Subject: RE: BS: Keto diet - anybody try it? Like it?
From: Jeri
Date: 01 Mar 21 - 12:08 PM

The main problem here at Mudcat is, and has been, personal squabbles that interfere with discussion on a thread. IT'S NOT PERSONAL, IT'S PUBLIC.
So if Jack wants to block Dave on Facebook, it's his business, and people (at least me) don't benefit from hearing about it. It's not Mudcat. It's just plain juvenile and snotty.

The only people who get their memberships yanked around here, no matter what they say or how they try to justify it, are those who engage in constant personal attacks.

Drop it.

Read the FAQ, and drop it here.
(or expect deletion)


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Subject: RE: BS: Keto diet - anybody try it? Like it?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 01 Mar 21 - 11:03 AM

You need to take more water with it if you thought that was bullying, Jack. I will say the same to anyone storming off in a huff. Or carrying out pointless public 'blocks'. Either do something or don't. In either case don't make a song and dance of it. No skin off my nose either way but being a Diva doesn't become anyone.


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Subject: RE: BS: Keto diet - anybody try it? Like it?
From: Jack Campin
Date: 01 Mar 21 - 10:38 AM

Helen: if you are still reading this you can find me under my own name on FB, Twitter or Telegram and by email at myfirstname@mysecondname.me.uk. I don't know your name and have no way to contact you myself.

I have blocked Dave on FB for that last remark and would have done the same on any social forum where it was possible for anyone else in the same gang. I don't t give bullies a second chance. I will just act on Mudcat as if Steve doesn't exist.


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Subject: RE: BS: Keto diet - anybody try it? Like it?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 01 Mar 21 - 09:03 AM

What just happened?


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Subject: RE: BS: Keto diet - anybody try it? Like it?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 01 Mar 21 - 06:39 AM

Don't slam the door...


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Subject: RE: BS: Keto diet - anybody try it? Like it?
From: Helen
Date: 01 Mar 21 - 04:54 AM

Leaving Mudcat after 25 years. Thanks for the memories and the fun times and friendship. All over now. Goodbye.


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Subject: RE: BS: Keto diet - anybody try it? Like it?
From: Helen
Date: 28 Feb 21 - 10:47 PM

I read this book and it was very interesting:

Sweet Poison by David Gillespie

David Gillespie also wrote a very useful book called Taming Toxic People which is off-topic for this thread. Or is it? :-D



Toxicity is going around. Steve voluntarily left this thread (after many of his posts were deleted), and I'll ask you to stay out of the vaccine thread (where several of your posts were deleted) if you're simply going to criticize him. ---mudelf


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Subject: RE: BS: Keto diet - anybody try it? Like it?
From: Helen
Date: 27 Feb 21 - 02:28 PM

Hi leeneia,

There's not a lot of sugar or processed foods in our house either. It's the hidden sugar in processed foods which are a big danger if you don't check the labels.

In Australia, we had a major COVID 19 lockdown for a couple of months from March last year and because we were cooking more and eating out less, I lost weight. Most of the people I say that to, including my doctor, usually laugh and say that I'm the only person they know who lost weight instead of gaining weight in the lockdown. We were cooking meals with lots of vegetables and legumes and whole foods. A lot of other people were getting takeaway food from the big, well-known fast food chains - or maybe they should be renamed the fat-food chains.

Also, a couple of years ago a little girl in a beautiful party dress knocked on our door on Halloween and I had to tell them that we don't have sweets and treats in our house. The next year the local school made it a rule that the only houses the trick-or-treaters could go to were the ones with Halloween decorations up so I don't have to disappoint them any more.


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Subject: RE: BS: Keto diet - anybody try it? Like it?
From: leeneia
Date: 27 Feb 21 - 01:52 PM

Helen, your post interested me so I decided to look further into the question of sugar leading to fat in the blood. I found a page from the University of California at San Francisco, and the page is quoting the Royal Society of New Zealand.

Here's the only info connecting sugar to blood:

"Fructose is also taken up into the blood from the gut, but in this case, the liver serves as a pre-processing organ that can convert fructose to glucose or fat. The liver can release the glucose and fat into the blood or store it as glycogen or fat deposits..."

Makes me glad we have cut our sugar consumption way down at our house.


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Subject: RE: BS: Keto diet - anybody try it? Like it?
From: Helen
Date: 27 Feb 21 - 01:18 PM

A significant part of low carb diets is being aware of the hidden sugars in processed foods.

This page has a description of a documentary called
The Sugar Conspiracy

..........

"Regardless of how healthy or simple people tried to keep their diet, the inevitability that their kitchen pantries and fridges were stockpiled with invisible but ubiquitous sugar raised significant alarm for health professionals and government.

"But this alarm was smothered by a blanket of savvy PR tactics and multibillion dollar campaigns to silence critics of the food industry. As the investigation in the documentary The Sugar Conspiracy reveals, sugar proponents used methods similar to those employed by tobacco companies defending their products decades earlier.

"In 1967, a study into the effects of sugar on heart disease risk factors was initially funded by the International Sugar Research Foundation (ISRF). But when results showed that high-sugar diets led to higher levels of fats in the blood, the ISRF withdrew funding and insisted the results remain secret. Yudkin had also discovered a significant relationship between sugar consumption and coronary disease. His experiments convinced him that it was in fact sugar, not saturated fat that was a greater danger in raising the risk of heart disease.

"But the medical establishment continued to insist that it was fat, not sugar, that must be decreased to ensure good health. Yudkinís assertions were labelled fictional, eccentric and unproven by fellow academics and sugar industry spokespeople."

.............


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Subject: RE: BS: Keto diet - anybody try it? Like it?
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Feb 21 - 09:37 AM

Mark Twain said he would not quit smoking because if he did he would have no cargo to throw overboard when the ship was actually sinking.


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Subject: RE: BS: Keto diet - anybody try it? Like it?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 26 Feb 21 - 07:31 PM

Yeah, I saw some keto ice cream bars... Chemical, chemical, fake sugar, other fake sugar, blecch.


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Subject: RE: BS: Keto diet - anybody try it? Like it?
From: leeneia
Date: 26 Feb 21 - 01:12 PM

A friend gave me a Keto Bite, "double dark chocolate cookie dough." It's a block of "candy", less than 2" across and about 5/8 inches thick. In other words, dessert if you are dieting.

It looked delicious but had no taste whatever. In texture, it seemed like eating window putty. Its first four ingredients were cashews, palm oil, tapioca and chocolate chips. There were lots of other ingredients, but I figure they are not important.

In its 25 grams, this little treat contains 15% of one's total daily fat and 23% of saturated fat. That's almost one-fourth. I made sure my friend took the remaining bars home.


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Subject: RE: BS: Keto diet - anybody try it? Like it?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 26 Feb 21 - 10:35 AM

Cruciform veg! That cracked me up!


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Subject: RE: BS: Keto diet - anybody try it? Like it?
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 26 Feb 21 - 03:46 AM

Eat what you like but don't swallow.

DC


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Subject: RE: BS: Keto diet - anybody try it? Like it?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 26 Feb 21 - 03:20 AM

My friend and I have often discussed that, Robomatic, coming to the conclusion that we are good at abstinence but crap at moderation. It's either a gallon of beer or none!


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Subject: RE: BS: Keto diet - anybody try it? Like it?
From: robomatic
Date: 25 Feb 21 - 10:36 PM

There's a Mark Twain tale, by way of Hal Holbrook, that his doctor told him he had to cut down on smoking and eating and drinking and swearing to improve the state of his health. Mark Twain said he couldn't cut down on them.

The doctor said "why not"
"Because I lack the will power. I can cut them out entirely, but I can't cut down on them!"

the doctor told him to cut down on them entirely. Once he felt better, Mark Twain started them up again.

I had a similar experience on the low calorie, very low carb, low fat diet. As long as I rigidly adhered, I lost weight like I was on an elevator. There were protein and vitamin supplements and I had to drink a great deal of water. It was tough going through the supermarket. All I was there for was some meat and cruciform vegetables. Oh, and as much lettuce and cabbage as I wanted. I was in ketosis, but once in, my mind functioned well and I don't recall any special breath problems. I do recall having no spare energy, none. I would make myself get to my floor via stairs, but I didn't do so with brisk enjoyment. Either of those. On the other hand, I found myself fitting into sizes of clothes I hadn't been into in many years.


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Subject: RE: BS: Keto diet - anybody try it? Like it?
From: Helen
Date: 25 Feb 21 - 05:04 PM

Well done, Mrrzy. Keep that equanimity going strong!


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Subject: RE: BS: Keto diet - anybody try it? Like it?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 25 Feb 21 - 05:02 PM

I canít help but wonder how he managed to Ďretainí 60-plus lbs of fluid in the space of, what, a week? Thatís a lot of fluid. Can it really be factual? (Thatís a genuine question by the way - Iíd be very interested to hear from someone who actually knows if thatís a likely scenario)?


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Subject: RE: BS: Keto diet - anybody try it? Like it?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 25 Feb 21 - 04:58 PM

To be fair to both of us, Steve Shaw, I have often felt that you "go after me" and you have upset me, sometimes badly and not infrequently, in so doing.

However, now that I am fairly carb-free (the pee stick says I am in ketosis! Yay!) I have more equanimity. And I don't hold grudges. But it is because of that, that I try to point out when we agree on things, to preemptively prevent you from coming after me again.

I don't think Helen's complaints were entirely baseless, either.

And I really don't think it is the mod's job to fact-check this forum! Really not! You have a question about who is telling a truth, look it up yourself, you the reader! Post your findings if they do contradict, and back down from your accusations if you're wrong. You know, like a grownup.

And, like grownups, remember that if someone disagrees with your *opinion* they are not *wrong* - your opinion is not a truth. It is your opinion. Steve Shaw, this is an issue I have had with you individually.

But back to the keto thing: I don't think I have had any of the weird symptoms of ketosis... I don't smell acetone on my breath (but I live alone), I have not felt ill or fluish (yeah, I know, I don't *look* fluish), so, fine. My regular doc keeps pushing back my regular appt, which is annoying because I was being rigorous for the checkup, then it got postponed a week, ok, grumble, but then it got delayed another month and yikes, not planning on being careful for *that* long.

And I like having equanimity.


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Subject: RE: BS: Keto diet - anybody try it? Like it?
From: mg
Date: 25 Feb 21 - 04:38 PM

if he was 195 pounds when he entered the hospital following his fall, would that be considered overweight? I don't know his height, musculature etc. He died at around 258 pounds, which seems it would definitely fall into the overweight category but it seems to be explained by fluid retention in the hospital.


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Subject: RE: BS: Keto diet - anybody try it? Like it?
From: Helen
Date: 25 Feb 21 - 01:19 PM

This article is the one quoted by Jeri on 24 Feb 21, 09:23 PM

The Death of Dr. Atkins By Tyler Hass July 3, 2020

A Google search of

Crossfit Dr Atkins

returns a lot of interesting articles.

I'm reading this one - Itís the insulin resistance, stupid: Part 3
By Prof. Timothy Noakes - it's a bit long - but an interesting account of how Dr Atkins researched possible solutions to obesity

Just to get back to the original topic of this thread, a Google search of

Crossfit keto

returns a lot of results too.


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