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The BBC are arseholes

Jack Campin 02 Dec 20 - 07:46 AM
punkfolkrocker 02 Dec 20 - 08:25 AM
Steve Shaw 02 Dec 20 - 08:51 AM
punkfolkrocker 02 Dec 20 - 09:06 AM
GUEST,henryp 02 Dec 20 - 09:19 AM
GUEST 02 Dec 20 - 09:42 AM
GUEST,Peter 02 Dec 20 - 09:48 AM
punkfolkrocker 02 Dec 20 - 09:50 AM
punkfolkrocker 02 Dec 20 - 09:54 AM
leeneia 02 Dec 20 - 10:24 AM
GUEST 02 Dec 20 - 11:07 AM
GUEST,henryp 02 Dec 20 - 11:47 AM
GUEST,Big Al Whittle 02 Dec 20 - 11:47 AM
GUEST,guest 02 Dec 20 - 12:36 PM
GUEST,Malcolm Storey 02 Dec 20 - 12:41 PM
punkfolkrocker 02 Dec 20 - 12:44 PM
Steve Shaw 02 Dec 20 - 01:13 PM
punkfolkrocker 02 Dec 20 - 01:52 PM
punkfolkrocker 02 Dec 20 - 01:54 PM
Dave Hanson 02 Dec 20 - 02:19 PM
The Sandman 02 Dec 20 - 03:16 PM
Jos 02 Dec 20 - 03:37 PM
GUEST,.gargoyle 02 Dec 20 - 04:33 PM
The Sandman 02 Dec 20 - 04:35 PM
GUEST,.gargoyle 02 Dec 20 - 04:55 PM
The Sandman 03 Dec 20 - 01:25 AM
Helen 03 Dec 20 - 02:52 AM
The Sandman 03 Dec 20 - 03:00 AM
Helen 03 Dec 20 - 03:10 AM
The Sandman 03 Dec 20 - 03:26 AM
GUEST,Jim Knowledge 03 Dec 20 - 06:10 AM
GUEST,henryp 03 Dec 20 - 07:28 AM
Steve Shaw 03 Dec 20 - 07:34 AM
GUEST,henryp 03 Dec 20 - 08:14 AM
GUEST,CJB666 03 Dec 20 - 12:20 PM
punkfolkrocker 03 Dec 20 - 12:46 PM
Helen 03 Dec 20 - 02:48 PM
GUEST,Nick Dow 03 Dec 20 - 04:06 PM
GUEST,Nick Dow 03 Dec 20 - 04:22 PM
GUEST,CJB666 03 Dec 20 - 05:59 PM
Steve Shaw 03 Dec 20 - 06:10 PM
punkfolkrocker 03 Dec 20 - 06:18 PM
Joe G 03 Dec 20 - 06:20 PM
Hagman 04 Dec 20 - 06:36 AM
punkfolkrocker 04 Dec 20 - 06:48 AM
Backwoodsman 04 Dec 20 - 08:24 AM
GUEST,Nick Dow 04 Dec 20 - 08:46 AM
GUEST,Big Al Whittle 04 Dec 20 - 01:38 PM
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Subject: The BBC are arseholes
From: Jack Campin
Date: 02 Dec 20 - 07:46 AM

Exploiting the pandemic to strongarm musicians into playing for free.

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2020/dec/02/strictly-bbc-dropped-us-after-we-asked-to-be-paid-say-musicians


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Subject: RE: The BBC are arseholes
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 02 Dec 20 - 08:25 AM

What.. all the BBC...???

every single one of 'em in the entire corporation, all around the planet...!!!?????

.. that's taking guilt by "joint enterprise" a bit too far.. innit..???

Think you might wannna at least narrow it down to specific individuals producing just one show...?????

Unless you're one of them right wing BBC bashers
who'll have a gratuitous go at Aunty Beeb for any opportunist reason..

Which Jack surely you aint...?????????????????????


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Subject: RE: The BBC are arseholes
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 02 Dec 20 - 08:51 AM

Well, Zoe Ball, who fronts the show, is either the highest or second-highest Beeb earner (admittedly she does wireless too). Just sayin'...


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Subject: RE: The BBC are arseholes
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 02 Dec 20 - 09:06 AM

I'm one of them grumpy cultural snobs who'd never watch such a shite show anyway.

But in an attempt at some kind of objective perspective..
Is it actually fully a BBC production, or contracted out to an independent media producer...???

Not saying beeb is entirely blameless in this case,
it is after all responsible for maintaining standards under it's watch,
but let's try to stay focused on who actually dunnit...

If it is down to the miserly attitude of a dickhead employee of an indie production company,
then that's really who should be hung drawn and quartered...


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Subject: RE: The BBC are arseholes
From: GUEST,henryp
Date: 02 Dec 20 - 09:19 AM

Never saw Jack as a Strictly spectator. You never can tell.

While Gary Lineker has topped the BBC salary list this year, he will be taking a £400,000 pay cut after signing a new five-year deal with the broadcaster. Yes, Gary, times are tough for everybody. That will leave Zoe Ball in first place.

1. Gary Lineker – £1,750,000-£1,754,999
2. Zoe Ball – £1,360,000-£1,364,999

13. Claudia Winkleman – £365,000-£369,999 also a Strictly presenter.


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Subject: RE: The BBC are arseholes
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Dec 20 - 09:42 AM

"
Unless you're one of them right wing BBC bashers
who'll have a gratuitous go at Aunty Beeb for any opportunist reason.."

Not to be confused with the left wing BBC bashers who'll have a gratuitous go at Aunty Beeb for any opportunist reason..

From what I see on the web and in the press the BBC is supposedly run by a bunch of dangerous left wing revolutionaries who mindlessly churn out Tory government propaganda.

Perhaps they are getting the balance right.


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Subject: RE: The BBC are arseholes
From: GUEST,Peter
Date: 02 Dec 20 - 09:48 AM

Pay a folk band? Whoever heard of such a thing?

This has just reminded me that I spent two years never quite getting around to going to one of the band's gigs. I must do better in 2021


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Subject: RE: The BBC are arseholes
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 02 Dec 20 - 09:50 AM

ANONYMOUS GUEST - ??????????

Would you like to try posting a less confused/confusing rewrite..

Take your time, we're not in any hurry...


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Subject: RE: The BBC are arseholes
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 02 Dec 20 - 09:54 AM

Peter - uh-oh..

.. now you've risked stirring up the 'true folkies do it for love, not money' brigade...


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Subject: RE: The BBC are arseholes
From: leeneia
Date: 02 Dec 20 - 10:24 AM

Not paying the band? That's shameful. Thanks for posting, Jack.


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Subject: RE: The BBC are arseholes
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Dec 20 - 11:07 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mj5IV23g-fE

Harlan Ellison addressed the situation. Circumstance is different, but the principle remains the same. PAY THE PERFORMERS.

The rant has a few words you may not wish sensitive ears to hear.


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Subject: RE: The BBC are arseholes
From: GUEST,henryp
Date: 02 Dec 20 - 11:47 AM

Strictly Come Dancing 2020; The NTA and Bafta award-winning entertainment show produced by BBC Studios returns with more sparkle, glitz and glamour than ever.

The BBC has defended a decision to have a same-sex pairing on the new series of Strictly Come Dancing after receiving complaints from viewers about the move. The corporation said Strictly was "an inclusive show" and that it had been "happy to facilitate" Nicola Adams' request to be partnered with a woman.

Strictly has previously featured two male professionals dancing together in a one-off routine, when Johannes Radebe and Graziano di Prima performed to Emeli Sande's Shine last year. Some applauded the show for the routine, but the BBC received 189 complaints from viewers who found it offensive.


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Subject: RE: The BBC are arseholes
From: GUEST,Big Al Whittle
Date: 02 Dec 20 - 11:47 AM

Is there any BBC person who hasn't got you to play for free. They all do it.

I don't really mind. The commercial stations aren't going to play us -other than if by a 'monkeys on typewriters' kind of thing we we write a hit record. In which case they pay you when they play your record.


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Subject: RE: The BBC are arseholes
From: GUEST,guest
Date: 02 Dec 20 - 12:36 PM

Not in front of the children please Jack!
I know a 90 year old who thinks strictly is wonderful!
You would think she would know better.


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Subject: RE: The BBC are arseholes
From: GUEST,Malcolm Storey
Date: 02 Dec 20 - 12:41 PM

When the BBC wanted carte blanche to record at Whitby Folk Week without offering a fee I politely showed them the metaphorical door.


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Subject: RE: The BBC are arseholes
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 02 Dec 20 - 12:44 PM

So.. one thing 99% of us can agree on,
is the BBC wastes far too much money on high profile celebrity presenters...


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Subject: RE: The BBC are arseholes
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 02 Dec 20 - 01:13 PM

My family, close and extended, are all massive fans of Strictly. This means that I get to see bits of it, generally when I'm dipping in and out of the kitchen cooking the tea. Whatever you think of such shows, Strictly is most assuredly not shite. It's an extremely well-produced show with very high production standards and, occasionally, some stunning dancing by the team of professionals. And the music is performed live. It's also clear that the professionals get many of the celebs to a very high standard of dancing in a very short time. Knock it for being what it is by all means, but shite it ain't.


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Subject: RE: The BBC are arseholes
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 02 Dec 20 - 01:52 PM

Steve - as usual I was being sarcy,
taking the piss out of the old grumps who do think it's shite.

It's not my cup of tea, but mudcat regulars should know by now,
I'm a relentless defender of Pop culture..

My Mrs loves it, and anything that keep her so glued to the telly and not getting in my way while I'm cooking,
is fine by me...

We actually both enjoyed the recent Little mix search for a new


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Subject: RE: The BBC are arseholes
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 02 Dec 20 - 01:54 PM

manufactured Pop group be talent show series..

(bloody submit button is too close to the preview button on my tiny phone screen..)


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Subject: RE: The BBC are arseholes
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 02 Dec 20 - 02:19 PM

Arseholes are cheap today,
Cheaper than yesterday,
Little boys are half a crown,
Standing up or lying down,
?

Dave H


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Subject: RE: The BBC are arseholes
From: The Sandman
Date: 02 Dec 20 - 03:16 PM

i do not have television, but i appreciate bbc radio ,it is a pleasure not to have to arseholes advertising their products, which is the case on comercial and rte [irish radio] the only radio station in ireland that does not have adverts is the irish speaking radio nag


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Subject: RE: The BBC are arseholes
From: Jos
Date: 02 Dec 20 - 03:37 PM

The BBC may not have commercial advertisements but they are constantly advertising themselves.
And why does Radio 4 keep airing their promotion of TV licences? With a gentle friendly voice and soft music presumably designed to make listeners who are over 75 think "Oh, how lovely that now we have to pay for our TV licences."
You DON'T NEED a television licence to listen to the radio.


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Subject: RE: The BBC are arseholes
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 02 Dec 20 - 04:33 PM

It has always been my stance:
If it is performed
and recorded in ANY format,
It is Public Domain


Sincerely,
Gargoyle

< Blessed be the tie that un-winds


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Subject: RE: The BBC are arseholes
From: The Sandman
Date: 02 Dec 20 - 04:35 PM

ARE YOU TRYING TO TEAXCH YOUR GRAND MOTHER HOW TO SUCK EGGS?


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Subject: RE: The BBC are arseholes
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 02 Dec 20 - 04:55 PM

Sandman -

TEAXCH GRAND MOTHER SUCK EGGS.


I do not understand?

Sincerely,
Gargoylr

Clones - Please remove to the lwer kingdo.


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Subject: RE: The BBC are arseholes
From: The Sandman
Date: 03 Dec 20 - 01:25 AM

Look the phrase up by googling, gargoyle


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Subject: RE: The BBC are arseholes
From: Helen
Date: 03 Dec 20 - 02:52 AM

Teaxch? Nope. No Google results.

So is there a need to shout? And I can't see the relevance of your statement to Gargoyle's stated opinion?

Although, gargoyle (- nice to see you here again at Mudcat, BTW -) there might be some other threads more worth looking at than this one which may already be halfway down the gurgler even though it is less than 24 hours old.

You can try Googling "going down the gurgler" but it looks like the websites are being a bit too nice. "Gurgler" = "toilet"


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Subject: RE: The BBC are arseholes
From: The Sandman
Date: 03 Dec 20 - 03:00 AM

teach your grand mother to suck eggs


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Subject: RE: The BBC are arseholes
From: Helen
Date: 03 Dec 20 - 03:10 AM

What is the relevance of your statement to Gargoyle's stated opinion?


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Subject: RE: The BBC are arseholes
From: The Sandman
Date: 03 Dec 20 - 03:26 AM

my remark had nothing to do with gargoyle he happened to post in between it was a reply to Jos.
ubject: RE: The BBC are arseholes
From: Jos - PM
Date: 02 Dec 20 - 03:37 PM

The BBC may not have commercial advertisements but they are constantly advertising themselves.
And why does Radio 4 keep airing their promotion of TV licences? With a gentle friendly voice and soft music presumably designed to make listeners who are over 75 think "Oh, how lovely that now we have to pay for our TV licences."
You DON'T NEED a television licence to listen to the radio.


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Subject: RE: The BBC are arseholes
From: GUEST,Jim Knowledge
Date: 03 Dec 20 - 06:10 AM

I `ad that `enryp in my cab the other day. `e won`t go on the buses or tube `cos nobody wears masks but very glad I was too. Fares are thin on the ground in London at the moment.
I said, " Morning `enryp. You eaten a wasp or something?" `cos `is face looked like `e was well in pain."
`e said, "Jim, `ave you seen that Mudcat thread about the BBC? A million and a `alf quid of licence payers dosh to put the records on!!"
I said, "Yeah, I `ave. Blimey, if that is the case the blame lies with those `ho make the offers. They`re unfit for purpose and in need of counselling. Arseoles? I would describe them as both parts of a womans anatomy!!"


Whaddam I Like??


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Subject: RE: The BBC are arseholes
From: GUEST,henryp
Date: 03 Dec 20 - 07:28 AM

The BBC spent £25,000 on 1,631 taxi journeys - all of which were unused by its globetrotting staff. I read it in the Mail, so it must be true. At least it's going to a good home. Life is fares, as they say down the shelter.


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Subject: RE: The BBC are arseholes
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 03 Dec 20 - 07:34 AM

That's just about fifteen quid per taxi ride. Not bad in this day and age, I'd say...


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Subject: RE: The BBC are arseholes
From: GUEST,henryp
Date: 03 Dec 20 - 08:14 AM

Fare enough!


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Subject: RE: The BBC are arseholes
From: GUEST,CJB666
Date: 03 Dec 20 - 12:20 PM

Almost literally anal. More licence fee funds are being spent in a scurrilous podcast series on female orgasm; or actually physical, spiritual, and financial abuse of vulnerable women. Not serious research either, but an expose of a cult - One Taste - in America - where else? - that charges $12,000 or more for a weekend of men sticking their fingers into women. That is where the women pay, the men go free.

If you are so interested enough to bother, the website is here:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p08xzn13

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Subject: RE: The BBC are arseholes
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 03 Dec 20 - 12:46 PM

That is a disgraceful waste of British TV license dodgers no money...

The BBC should only make British programs about British people
doing British things.

No wonder righ minded British people are determined to get the BBC closed down,
and it's marxist feminist BLM satanist paedo management banged up in prison.

The sooner the evil unpatriotic BBC is replaced by that common sense talking Rupert Murdoch,
the better off Britain will be...!!!


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Subject: RE: The BBC are arseholes
From: Helen
Date: 03 Dec 20 - 02:48 PM

Rupert Murdoch. Australia's best export! If he stays out of our country it's good but unfortunately he still has media interests here.


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Subject: RE: The BBC are arseholes
From: GUEST,Nick Dow
Date: 03 Dec 20 - 04:06 PM

Ok here is an informed view. I worked for the BBC for 34 years as a radio presenter. I have covered OB work, and live music in and out of Folk and Blues, as well as mainstream continuity work.
The BBC I joined in 1984 was keen to give youngsters like me a chance and supported all minority music interests.
Latterly thanks to Russell Brand and Jonathon Ross and their disgraceful behaviour, we were all retrained in risk assessment (!) and diversity, and impartiality.
Slowly but surely the broadcasting quality declined. The mindless programme pushing became mandatory, and was demanded at quarter past and quarter to the hour, even if you were in the middle of an interview. We ended up with the bloody ridiculous situation of introducing Sherman Robertson live, and interrupting it with a advert for a gardening programme. I asked the muppets in charge 'Are you trying to irritate the listeners into joining the programme?
Back came the Answer 'Yes it works.' The mandatory training became more and more ludicrous. I knew how to present my programme from a middle of a river full of alligators should I go on safari. (Yes Honestly!)
The final straw was when the government and the BBC decided to change the terms of employment. I went one week later.
As if by magic every single value hammered into us by numerous trainers and producers went west. Slowly impartiality became a pretence. The Brexit arguments were undermined right left and centre. Whatever your view, it should be displayed equally by a public service broadcaster. Reports were qualified with 'Despite Brexit this has happened.' 'Despite the strike the other has happened' Brexit for and against guest numbers were drastically unbalanced. When questioned about this live on 'Question time' the presenter sneered 'Just answer the question!'
BBC TV was no better, and the presentation style became embarrassing
to an old school broadcaster like myself. All of the values seemed to have gone, and the bias was even finding it's way into the soap operas.
I am sad disillusioned and bloody angry. The movements to defund the BBC and the non payment of the licence are becoming more understandable, and this by one who was funded by the same for many years.
I now feel the BBC's days are numbered, and it will become a subscription service. That will be a sad but necessary day. They only have themselves to blame.


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Subject: RE: The BBC are arseholes
From: GUEST,Nick Dow
Date: 03 Dec 20 - 04:22 PM

By the way having re-read the thread, Yes I did pay the musicians in both Folk and Blues for live concert performances. I considered interviews to be free advertising, and if they guest played live they were offered a copy of the recording licenced under my own label to do with as they wanted. I received no money at all from this. Like I said old school broadcasting, a thing of the past I fear.


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Subject: RE: The BBC are arseholes
From: GUEST,CJB666
Date: 03 Dec 20 - 05:59 PM

For many years there has been an active loose-knit group of OTR enthusiasts researching and seeking out recordings of programmes produced by such as Michael Mason, Charles Chilton, Charles Parker, A.L.Lloyd, Ewan MacColl, and Philip Donnellan (to name but a few).

They produced epic films and series of musical docudramas, many focusing upon contemporary social mores and social deprivation.

However the powers that be in the BBC hierarchy did not approve of the content of many of their programmes. And if they reluctantly did the programmes were only ever aired once (as evidenced in Genome).

Philip Donnellan was particularly worried that after an airing his programmes would be wiped, so he made extra sure to take a copy home at the end of the day. Indeed many of our discoveries and rescues of lost or forgotten programmes have been because producers took stuff home with them.

This is not apocryphal; one now-retired member of the BBC Archives reported: that when he was told to wipe a whole series of I'm Sorry I'll Read That Again he took the tapes home instead.      

However the older staff have become increasingly friendly towards those like the OTR fraternity in helping to rescue and preserve recordings of the above named producers. They realise that their works will never be aired again due to woke and PC attitudes of the younger know-it-all-but-know-nothing generation. After all if these younger staff want to produce programmes about female orgasms, sex cults, or comedy which only consists of profanities, then there's no room for quality programmes such as 'The Long March of Everyman,' 'The British Seafarer,' or such as Charles Parkers' 'Radio Ballads.'

So the Archivists are being very helpful to us.

And now the great fear is that there'll be a cull of non-woke / non-PC programmes from the Archives. These programmes are too non-PC ever to be aired again, so why make room for them in the dusty archives? Better to simply junk the masters. Alf Garnett will never be aired again, ditto 'It Ain't Half Hot Mum.'

The BBC is well practiced in wiping and junking recordings - it has been doing it for years. And folk and jazz has been at the for-front - such programme are routinely wiped even now.

But God help us if the young 'wokes' ever get hold of the Archives.

====



very It is


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Subject: RE: The BBC are arseholes
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 03 Dec 20 - 06:10 PM

Am I the only person here who sees nothing wrong in principle with a podcast about female orgasm?


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Subject: RE: The BBC are arseholes
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 03 Dec 20 - 06:18 PM

There's got to be a sensible balance between the commercial wing of the BBC,
who can remain motivated working to monetise previously much loved dodgy old sit coms, etc;

and the younger generation of puritan PC influencers within BBC culture
who are keener to cancel and obliterate all cultural artifacts that offend them.

Somewhere between them, must be wriggle room for objective minded media historian archivists,
academics, and dedicated amateur enthusiasts...


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Subject: RE: The BBC are arseholes
From: Joe G
Date: 03 Dec 20 - 06:20 PM

Nope Steve - me too. The very diversity of programming of the BBC is what makes it so valuable. However they got it very wrong here - I've seem Amaraterra and they are a tremendous band and very much deserved to be paid a good fee. I'm a staunch defender of Auntie Beeb but this was a wrong decision - though to be fair it may be one made by the production company without the BBC's knowledge. I hope that was the case


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Subject: RE: The BBC are arseholes
From: Hagman
Date: 04 Dec 20 - 06:36 AM

Surely it should be "The BBC is an arsehole"? Grammatical standards, please...


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Subject: RE: The BBC are arseholes
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 04 Dec 20 - 06:48 AM

British Bumhole Corporation...???

.. and, despite it's serious problems, I'll still defend the BBC..

With perhaps futile hope it can improve and survive...?????

[btw.. in international p0rno, "BBC" has acquired an entirely different popular new meaning...]


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Subject: RE: The BBC are arseholes
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 04 Dec 20 - 08:24 AM

I’m not even going to ask! ;-)


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Subject: RE: The BBC are arseholes
From: GUEST,Nick Dow
Date: 04 Dec 20 - 08:46 AM

With reference to 'wiping' programmes. A certain local radio station employed an unpaid disabled man to wipe and splice tape, for re-use. When DAT came in it was copy or lose. When DAT was superseded, it was copy or be erased, when 'Radio Man' came in, (£14 million of complete crap without the ability to make a music edit) it was automatic erasure after 30 days.
'So don't think you can have a four week tour and record your show, and we're not paying some one to put it on for you. Find a mate if you've got any, and he'd better come in when we say so, we've sacked the night staff. Don't think you can come in and work after 9pm on a Sunday! We switch the alarms on, we don't care that your show goes out until then.
No you can't have a key for the alarms, we don't care that you've been here 30 years, you're not mainstream and never will be, you'll have to find time to record it if your going off somewhere playing ..what was it again? Oh yes Folk Music or some other sort of rubbish. You fit in with us, after all we are the mighty BBC.
Yes an aptly named thread.


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Subject: RE: The BBC are arseholes
From: GUEST,Big Al Whittle
Date: 04 Dec 20 - 01:38 PM

Theres really no excuse for wiping anything. You can store as much on an SD card as would take up a warehouse at one time.


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Subject: RE: The BBC are arseholes
From: GUEST,Big al Whittle
Date: 04 Dec 20 - 01:43 PM

A while back, I asked if they had kept a fabulous little series that jazz pianist Lennie Felix done in the 1960's. Every week he had aguest - I remember with particular pleasure Ben Webster and Jimmy Witherspoon's appearances.

Answer came there none.


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Subject: RE: The BBC are arseholes
From: GUEST,Georgina Boyes
Date: 04 Dec 20 - 02:10 PM

Are the band members of Musicians' Union? If they are, have the Union been involved. If they aren't, they might now see the benefits of joining.


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