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BS: Brexit & other UK political topics

punkfolkrocker 16 Apr 21 - 09:56 AM
Backwoodsman 16 Apr 21 - 08:28 AM
SPB-Cooperator 16 Apr 21 - 07:35 AM
Bonzo3legs 16 Apr 21 - 07:13 AM
Backwoodsman 16 Apr 21 - 07:09 AM
Bonzo3legs 16 Apr 21 - 06:54 AM
robomatic 14 Apr 21 - 10:25 AM
Rain Dog 13 Apr 21 - 02:46 PM
punkfolkrocker 13 Apr 21 - 02:26 PM
Big Al Whittle 13 Apr 21 - 08:21 AM
Steve Shaw 13 Apr 21 - 04:10 AM
The Sandman 13 Apr 21 - 02:52 AM
The Sandman 13 Apr 21 - 01:57 AM
Steve Shaw 12 Apr 21 - 01:13 PM
The Sandman 12 Apr 21 - 08:31 AM
Steve Shaw 12 Apr 21 - 08:29 AM
Bonzo3legs 12 Apr 21 - 08:13 AM
Bonzo3legs 12 Apr 21 - 08:03 AM
SPB-Cooperator 12 Apr 21 - 06:43 AM
Steve Shaw 11 Apr 21 - 07:47 AM
Backwoodsman 11 Apr 21 - 07:35 AM
Steve Shaw 11 Apr 21 - 07:13 AM
Backwoodsman 11 Apr 21 - 07:02 AM
The Sandman 11 Apr 21 - 05:24 AM
Dave the Gnome 11 Apr 21 - 05:18 AM
DMcG 09 Apr 21 - 11:41 AM
Jos 09 Apr 21 - 07:23 AM
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Backwoodsman 06 Apr 21 - 12:05 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 16 Apr 21 - 09:56 AM

I explained a plausible reason.
But it got deleted..

Possibly too near the truth of the bonking matter...???

I guess, some folks in power just don't like being gently teased by their pals across the ocean...???????


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 16 Apr 21 - 08:28 AM

It’s the Mudcat Troll-Police getting their own back on you Bonz! ;-) :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 16 Apr 21 - 07:35 AM

Don't worry, matron is on her way to you now....


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 16 Apr 21 - 07:13 AM

For about 12 hours early evening to morning, I just get the word "bonk" in top left corner of a white screen when clicking on the mudcat link.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 16 Apr 21 - 07:09 AM

What on earth are you on about, Bonz? What is this ‘bonk’ you keep wittering about - everything’s normal AFAICS.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 16 Apr 21 - 06:54 AM

Ah the mudcat site comes back from plain "bonk"!!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: robomatic
Date: 14 Apr 21 - 10:25 AM

When Mandela passed we endured a week of curated retrospectives which didn't add much to the global level of intelligence. And that was pre-Trump.

In the wake of Prince Philip, for some reason BBC 4Extra abandoned their regular programming and were mirroring BBC 4 which was mirroring BBC World Service. They're back to normal now but it was rather puzzling as I didn't see or hear any explanation.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Rain Dog
Date: 13 Apr 21 - 02:46 PM

To misquote Melvin "Sy" Oliver and James "Trummy" Young.

Tain't What You Say (It's the Way That You Say it)


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 13 Apr 21 - 02:26 PM

Which words are we not allowed to say...???

I might need a little reminder,
as I've been absent away from strict mudcat community dictates
too much this year...

A bit like a young Amish returning home,
after a short taste of freedom in the big outside English world...


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 13 Apr 21 - 08:21 AM

I'll put it on Facebook, I'm not a good texter
I've just seen Prince Philip's spectre
I knew it was him, with my medium's knack.
He still had both hands behind his back.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 Apr 21 - 04:10 AM

That's the one.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: The Sandman
Date: 13 Apr 21 - 02:52 AM

i am guessing you must be talkimg about shirley williams?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: The Sandman
Date: 13 Apr 21 - 01:57 AM

who has died?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Apr 21 - 01:13 PM

She played a massive part when it came to keeping Thatcher in power. A lightweight, unprincipled opportunist. No tears this end.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: The Sandman
Date: 12 Apr 21 - 08:31 AM

how exciting a chance of reading filed accounts of Brick by Brick Croydon Ltd on the Companies House website,Yippee


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Apr 21 - 08:29 AM

Imposed mourning has a real feel of North Korea about it...

Is it OK to not mourn and turn off all the guff on the telly?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 12 Apr 21 - 08:13 AM

You may care to look at the recently filed accounts of Brick by Brick Croydon Ltd on the Companies House website, which has the most qualified auditor's report I have ever seen - the company being the play thing of the most useless labour council in the UK!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 12 Apr 21 - 08:03 AM

Yes it is, and quite rightly so.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 12 Apr 21 - 06:43 AM

The mourning period is probably an established royal protocol.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Apr 21 - 07:47 AM

And here we go again with Tory sleaze, lots of dodgy (though still technically legal) lobbying and cronyism going on. The worrying thing is that these things don't seem to matter any more. The more bad things the Tories do, the higher their poll ratings go.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 11 Apr 21 - 07:35 AM

It certainly has something of a ring of ‘totally-OTT’ about it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Apr 21 - 07:13 AM

I note that the Beeb has been so overwhelmed by complaints that they have grossly overdone the tributes that a dedicated web page for complaints has been opened. In turn, the vicious anti-Beeb brigade has accused the Beeb of thereby positively encouraging complaints. Damned if they do, damned if they don't. I'd also add that "declaring eight days of national mourning" has the distinct ring of totalitarianism about it...


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 11 Apr 21 - 07:02 AM

{{Deep, Heartfelt Sigh}}

Dick, all of Bonzo’s Prince Philip threads have been closed or **disappeared**, presumably because of posters’ bad behaviour. Please don’t get this, our one permitted U.K. Politics thread, closed too.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: The Sandman
Date: 11 Apr 21 - 05:24 AM

Elsewhere.... indeed ...Troublemaking agitators in Croydon should be silenced, perhaps capital punishmen, take agitators from croydon and put them in the stocks in the capital


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 11 Apr 21 - 05:18 AM

As from tomorrow up to 30 people can attend funerals. I understand that at Philips funeral the royal family intend to adhere to that. Good on them but it is difficult to see how they could do anything else. Of course if it was, heaven forbid, any of Boris's family there would be an exeption...


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: DMcG
Date: 09 Apr 21 - 11:41 AM

During WW2, Princess Elizabeth (as was) was quite keen on going through what the rest of the population was, in the ATS, training as a mechanic and so on.

It would be quite something if she decided that the covid rules for funerals should apply to her.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Jos
Date: 09 Apr 21 - 07:23 AM

Not sure if this counts as 'political', but UK news is going to be wall-to-wall Prince Philip for who knows how long.
It will be interesting to see how the islanders in Vanuatu take the news.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 09 Apr 21 - 07:11 AM

Good that police in Northern Ireland used water cannon against rioters, now it should be used against troublemaking agitators in Bristol and elsewhere!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: The Sandman
Date: 08 Apr 21 - 07:04 AM

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Big Al Whittle - PM
Date: 06 Apr 21 - 04:39 AM

Cheer up mate! You could be supporting Birmingham City. quote
you could be supporting Brechin City, or sheffield united


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 06 Apr 21 - 02:42 PM

I have posted this before. All my own work. See if you can work out who is who, Al :-)

A fable.

Neither long ago nor in a galaxy far away the animal world was in harmony. The farm had grown large and unwieldy but still safe and strong. The sheep lived with the cattle and horses and worried not about the world. They were still hunted but the mighty animals, the lion and the wolf, were kept in check by the powerful elephant and strong wildebeest who had united with the sheep to ensure fairness to all.

However not all was well for the baboon wanted to lead the animals and the toad, with its bulging eyes, saw that the animals that no-one trusted could become powerful if they united against the farm. So the baboon, waving his arms and behaving like a fool, began to gather allies to their cause. The viper that had poisoned everything that it had touched became their friend and the drunken hyena, who used to feed on the weak, turned against the lion for he also wanted more power. They saw that the sheep loved to hear the donkeys bray and whatever the donkeys brayed became the mantra for the sheep. So they befriended the donkeys and told them to bray a song that half the sheep loved and half the sheep hated. This way the sheep became disunited and fought amongst themselves, ignoring the insidious manoeuvring of the unholy alliance.

“See how the farm steals your hard earned fodder,” brayed the donkeys.
“Remember how much better things were when the lion ruled you.” They sang across the land.

But the song that did the most harm was “Look at the rabbits. The farm let them in. They are eating all your grass and it is their fault that the lion eats your kin.” For this not only divided the sheep but also caused much resentment against the innocent rabbit.
So, the lion, the wolf, the elephant and the wildebeest sat together to determine what was to be done. None would lead, as they knew that whatever they did the baboon, the frog, the viper and the hyena would tell the donkeys to bray against them and the sheep would become more discontent. The mighty animals saw that the only way to silence to unholy ones was to ask the sheep who they wished to rule them. But they had not seen how divided the sheep had become and they did not understand that many would believe the donkeys over them. Half the sheep wanted to stay safe in the farm and the other half wanted the new life promised by the others. So they began to fight amongst themselves until, at last, none of them knew what was the truth and what was not.

The bald eagle and the bear, who had been bitter enemies in the past, joined with the voice of the donkeys as they wanted to rule the entire animal kingdom and saw that while the farm survived it would be in their way. The baboon and the frog knew that this was the perfect time for them to begin their reign so the sheep were forced to decide between living in thrall on the farm or trying to survive on their own in the jungle. They were evenly divided but one more sheep wanted to try the jungle than wanted to stay on the farm. So they were all forced out. The lion shook his head in disbelief and left. The frog grinned with his wide mouth. The baboon frolicked and the donkeys sang his praises while the sheep who wanted to stay in the farm wept.

Many ages later a new alliance formed. It is outside our fable to say what it will be. But the sheep survived. The lion still ate some. The old ones still went for mutton. The donkeys still brayed.
And the children were still sent to market…


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 06 Apr 21 - 01:32 PM

That lying, treacherous little scrotum, Gove.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 06 Apr 21 - 01:15 PM

Blond Bufoon = Boris
Frog = Farage
Lying Scottish Viper = ?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 06 Apr 21 - 12:05 PM

Customs declarations have to be completed for goods sent everywhere outside the EU. It therefore follows that, as a minority of the electorate sold the majority down the river by voting to Leave the EU, our membership of the EU Customs Union has ended, and we are required to follow the same rules that apply to all other countries outside the EU, which means that Customs Declarations must be completed.

Just another little thing that the Blond Buffoon, the Lying Scottish Viper, and The Wide-Mouthed Frog didn’t put on the side of their God-forsaken big red bus.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Rain Dog
Date: 06 Apr 21 - 05:28 AM

It is the EU who require the declaration for presents sent from the UK to people in the EU


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 06 Apr 21 - 04:47 AM

Johnson may not be a loser, but that pathetic waste of space is now making people fill in customs declarations for sending presents to family and friends in the EU. If that piece of trash wants to inflict unnecessary paperwork on decent people then this has to be down to Hillingdon Council employing a form filler at every post office in the UK instead of wasting tax payers money on education, adult social care, libraries, refuse collection, public health, child protection on a handful of people who live in Uxbridge and South Ruislip which is of no benefit or use whatsoever to the vast majority of the public in the UK. (End of ironic rant).


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 06 Apr 21 - 04:39 AM

Cheer up mate! You could be supporting Birmingham City.....


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 05 Apr 21 - 06:04 PM

Johnson is no loser. He's killed tens of thousands of people via sheer incompetence. He's wasting 37 billion on a useless track and trace system. He's trashing the ordinary working people of this country. He's going to waste even more on a pointless passport system. Everything he's doing, he's doing in order to control us ever more. He lies in his teeth at every juncture. But he's nine points ahead in the polls. Believe me, he knows how not to be a loser. The real loser is Starmer, who is bloody useless, and he's leading into perdition millions of ordinary people in this country who at least deserve an opposition that they're not getting.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 05 Apr 21 - 05:24 PM

”And as we discovered with Kinnock and Corbyn - it not the smartest thing to let a complete loser into the Leader of the Opposition job either.”

It seems to be working for the Tories with Johnson though, Al.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 05 Apr 21 - 05:12 PM

maybe not Steve, but it was a damned difficult negotiation and turned very unpleasant several times. My friends tended to get more outraged on my behalf than I was.

I'm not sure what this has to do with the Falklands. except maybe when narrow advantage is being pursued - (Like Galtieri's imperial ambitions and the man who thought he was entitled to have a nice drive, but I wasn't)). Then someone has to stand up to them.

Thatcher was being reckless with our defence commitments. Ultimately it was young soldiers who pulled her chestnuts out of the fire.....I don't think she choreographed the entire conflict. The result wasn't that certain, and anyway she wasn't that bright.

Like America has discovered with Trump - you can't really let someone totally irresponsible into the the top job. Argentina paid a heavy price for just that.
And as we discovered with Kinnock and Corbyn - it not the smartest thing to let a complete loser into the Leader of the Opposition job either.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 05 Apr 21 - 02:31 PM

At least he didn't come back, saying that because his van had been there for a long time it was now his drive...


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 05 Apr 21 - 02:25 PM

But say it wasn't the bloke next door. Say it was a bloke from 200 miles away who kept parking his car on your drive. You'd have more justification then, no?


Well no. Not in my view. That did actually happen to me. This bloke asked me if he could leave his van on my drive for a night - and it was still there three years later, rusting away.


Probably I should have been more warlike. But its one of my many failings.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 Apr 21 - 07:34 PM

A bit of undeliberate gerrymandering cures all, then, Doug...


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 04 Apr 21 - 06:05 PM

If the residents of those islands choose to link up with the UK, rather than with Argentina, then that's up to them.

DC


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 Apr 21 - 05:11 PM

?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 04 Apr 21 - 03:26 PM

If you choose to link up with the bloke from 200 miles away, then it has nothing to do with the bloke next door.

DC


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 Apr 21 - 12:18 PM

But say it wasn't the bloke next door. Say it was a bloke from 200 miles away who kept parking his car on your drive. You'd have more justification then, no?


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Subject: RE: BS: Day of the Argentine veterans
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 04 Apr 21 - 09:40 AM

I suppose by the same argument:-
Ireland belongs to England
England belongs to France

and Hitler was right

Poland belongs to Germany

The Canaries belong to Africa

and I'll have the bloke next door's car if he puts it on my drive again.


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Subject: RE: BS: Day of the Argentine veterans
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 04 Apr 21 - 08:46 AM

Little bits of territory with attachments to other countries in principle isn't a bad idea - if we had a little Spanish town in Sussex or. Norwegian enclave in Northumberland for example it could be quite a good arrangements. Being able to go for a trip abroad while staying local might be good, especially for a country confined to an island. I've never heard that the people of Newfoundland have any oroblem with having the French island of St Pierre and Miquelon on their doorstep.

The trouble is, much of the time it's all tied in with a history of foreign conquest and imperialism and si forth. Ii'd be good if it could be sorted out with a bit of territorial exchange, so a foreign enclave on the shores of Spain would be matched by an analogous Spanish enclave on the shores of England, and so forth.


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Subject: RE: BS: Day of the Argentine veterans
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 04 Apr 21 - 07:28 AM

Yes indeed. As with any country, for the most part the Argentines are lovely people, and we have always been made most welcome during our 7 visits there.


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Subject: RE: BS: Day of the Argentine veterans
From: BobL
Date: 04 Apr 21 - 07:08 AM

Trouble is it wasn't just the Flaklands (a typo, but let it stand). If they'd been surrendered to Argentina, or even made over as part of a negotiated settlement, what would be the effect on Gibraltar? Or Northern Ireland?


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