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BS: Brexit & other UK political topics

Donuel 22 May 21 - 07:51 PM
punkfolkrocker 22 May 21 - 05:51 PM
Nigel Parsons 22 May 21 - 05:34 PM
punkfolkrocker 22 May 21 - 04:31 PM
Nigel Parsons 22 May 21 - 03:36 PM
punkfolkrocker 22 May 21 - 03:31 PM
Nigel Parsons 22 May 21 - 02:52 PM
Dave the Gnome 22 May 21 - 06:53 AM
punkfolkrocker 22 May 21 - 06:41 AM
Steve Shaw 22 May 21 - 06:22 AM
Dave the Gnome 22 May 21 - 05:47 AM
Steve Shaw 22 May 21 - 05:41 AM
Raggytash 22 May 21 - 04:11 AM
Dave the Gnome 21 May 21 - 01:09 PM
peteglasgow 21 May 21 - 02:59 AM
punkfolkrocker 20 May 21 - 11:42 PM
punkfolkrocker 20 May 21 - 09:20 PM
Steve Shaw 20 May 21 - 07:15 PM
punkfolkrocker 19 May 21 - 10:53 AM
Steve Shaw 18 May 21 - 04:38 AM
Steve Shaw 18 May 21 - 04:31 AM
The Sandman 18 May 21 - 04:08 AM
Dave the Gnome 17 May 21 - 11:11 PM
robomatic 17 May 21 - 10:45 PM
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punkfolkrocker 17 May 21 - 05:44 PM
Steve Shaw 17 May 21 - 05:32 PM
The Sandman 17 May 21 - 07:11 AM
Steve Shaw 17 May 21 - 05:36 AM
punkfolkrocker 17 May 21 - 04:16 AM
peteglasgow 17 May 21 - 03:05 AM
Steve Shaw 16 May 21 - 07:05 PM
punkfolkrocker 16 May 21 - 06:37 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Donuel
Date: 22 May 21 - 07:51 PM

Exceptions exist. For example I thought Steve was too proper for a beard and was clean shaven like me.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 22 May 21 - 05:51 PM

petty minded conformist snobbery goes hand in hand with deference to royalty...


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 22 May 21 - 05:34 PM

The typical smarmy tory response of,

"Ooh, how dare you swear at me, I'm your superior...!!!"


I never claimed to be your superior. But if that's what you believe I'll let it go on this occasion.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 22 May 21 - 04:31 PM

The typical smarmy tory response of,

"Ooh, how dare you swear at me, I'm your superior...!!!"

Nearly always deployed to deflect from their own far more objectionable provocative behaviour...

Gotcha, royal fanboy...!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 22 May 21 - 03:36 PM

Yes, I'm a royalist (to some extent). But that still doesn't help me make any sense of your post.

Swearing at me (presumably that's what the asterisks replace) adds nothing to your earlier post, but is what I have come to expect.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 22 May 21 - 03:31 PM

English...???

Ok, **** off you pedantic supercilious ****...

You're lucky I've got a good sense of humour,
and don't take smug folks too seriously...

Yes I know that sentence was flawed,
I noticed immediately it was posted.

If my eyesight wasn't failing, I'd not have accidentally pressed submit before I'd finished proofreading
on this tiny smartphone screen and typing pad...

Let me guess, you're a royalist...???


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 22 May 21 - 02:52 PM

PFR: Royalty couldn't get much worse if Simon cowell who was given the job of finding a replacement family for the job..

In English please?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 22 May 21 - 06:53 AM

I have always said that if we only keep royalty as a tourist attraction, it should be taken over by Disney. Imagine the money we could make then and the Disney Corp would soon put a stop to all these shenanigans :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 22 May 21 - 06:41 AM

So yet another full day of sanctimonious royal bollocks dominating TV news..

That William is going to be one insufferable priggish Pillock of a king..


Royalty couldn't get much worse if Simon cowell who was given the job of finding a replacement family for the job..

At least we'd have a gloriously tripe Saturday teatime TV show to take the piss out of...


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 22 May 21 - 06:22 AM

Better than having a bent one. You wouldn't know whether you were coming or going...


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 22 May 21 - 05:47 AM

Who has got half a willie? How does he cope?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 22 May 21 - 05:41 AM

To be fair to Harry and Lady Di, the red hair genes are autosomal recessive and can stay in the background for several generations until both prospective parents happen to be carriers, and even then there's only a one in four chance of their child being a redhead. To me, Harry's facial features do resemble Charles's to an extent. If Hewitt was Harry's dad, then Diana would also have been carrying the genes, suggesting that the genes were in her family anyway, and were just waiting fo their chance to pop out...

Genetics was always my weak spot at university, so I stand to be corrected...


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Raggytash
Date: 22 May 21 - 04:11 AM

Maybe Willie doesn't care for his half brother Steve.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 21 May 21 - 01:09 PM

Was 'cult' a spelling mistake?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: peteglasgow
Date: 21 May 21 - 02:59 AM

yes...as james o'brien put it - if you are still supporting johnson and the tories then you are a member of a deluded cult


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 20 May 21 - 11:42 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sUsvy4VHX0

4 mins of grim hilarity...


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 20 May 21 - 09:20 PM

So far no BBC news item I've seen has adequately explained, not even bothered trying to explain,
the relevance of these bank statements, and why they were so important to Di's brother...???

"Show me bank statements and I'll let you talk to my sister"..

Eh.. what was all that about then..?????

My obvious natural impulse is to be highly suspicious of that brother...


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 20 May 21 - 07:15 PM

So Prince Willie wades in to excoriate the BBC over the 1995 Diana interview. It was a vile deceit that got Bashir his interview (though it also exposed some royal gullibility...) and the Beeb handled it very badly. But make no mistake, the royals and their satellites and acolytes are past masters when it comes to exploiting a mostly-sycophantic media for their own ends. It ill-behoves them to whine when on the odd occasion they get duped. And by the way, Meghan and Harry have been abused by the mass newspaper media for several years, yet not once do I recall Prince Willie sticking up for his little brother. I suppose it was because those same papers were locked in a love affair with him and Kate, so why would he ruffle their feathers? The stench of hypocrisy is almost overpowering. Put a sock in it, Willie...


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 19 May 21 - 10:53 AM

If starmer and other conservatives don't get up in arms and disgusted over this shocking breaking news,
I will feel seriously disappointed and severely let down...

https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/whats-on/food-drink/bristol-bar-owner-fuming-after-5427386.amp

It's that bloody protest mad Bristol again,
Not content with chucking slaver statues in the river, or trying to demolish police stations.
Now they're vandalising the Great British tradition of beer drinking..

This sort of foul graffiti should be kept inside on toilet doors,
as is the proper beer drinking tradition...


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 May 21 - 04:38 AM

I can't get past the headline of the other two pieces. Bernie may well be right, but he forgets that the iron grip of the US pro-Israel lobby would thereby ensure that Biden was toast. Refusing to veto resolutions critical of the Israeli regime would be a bloody good start, but, for that same reason, it won't happen. For many decades the US has enabled this problem to persist, and Biden doesn't look like changing anything. "I would support a ceasefire" is as far as it will ever go.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 May 21 - 04:31 AM

The NYT piece is fantasy with some scraps of food for thought lurking like tiny little jewels in a crock of shite. Here's the nub:

"But perhaps the progressive Israeli government might yet succeed if a U.N.-sanctioned, U.S.-led force — you might almost call it a mandate — agreed to deploy peacekeeping forces to guarantee Jewish rights and security."

A truly progressive Israel would immediately ditch the need "to guarantee Jewish rights and security" and start talking about guaranteeing the rights and security of all Israelis, the 20% Arabs in the population and the Christians, and the rest, alike. Anything less is not progressive and won't work. Your writer seems to be displaying the same old stale predictions to the same old stale scenario. If you don't start from the position that there is massive discrimination in Israel against non-Jews, Arabs in particular, you haven't a hope of solving this.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: The Sandman
Date: 18 May 21 - 04:08 AM

is the covid danger from indian variant being exaggerated ,please note this is a question not a statement, as the medida seem to like to sensationalise, neiher am i saying there is not a danger, so varying opinions welcome


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 17 May 21 - 11:11 PM

Careful, Steve. You will have your party membership revoked!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: robomatic
Date: 17 May 21 - 10:45 PM

also opinion from one Bernie Sanders


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: robomatic
Date: 17 May 21 - 08:15 PM

Both of these are from The New York Times. I really don't know if clicking on them will allow you to read them through the paywall) or not: Each one is different from my initial reactions, and each one of them is somewhat different from opinions posted in this thread so far:


Bret Stephens - If the left got its Wish for Israel

Thomas Friedman - For Bibi and Hamas it's always Jan06


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 17 May 21 - 05:44 PM

One tory mp was on BBC news today,
disgusted by rising antisemitism in London and Essex,
and UK social media posts gloryfying hamas...


.. nothing else seemed to be perturbing him...


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 17 May 21 - 05:32 PM

Benjamin Netanyahu protects his citizens and gives them all the security they need by killing 61 children in Gaza. The most sacred areas of Jerusalem, which would normally have been crowded today, were almost deserted, ordinary people frightened to go out. More vetos from the US (aka utter paralysis) and, well, I have hardly heard a word from the politicians here...

One fine day the citizens of Israel will see the light...


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: The Sandman
Date: 17 May 21 - 07:11 AM

spot on steve


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 17 May 21 - 05:36 AM

The pro-Israel lobbies in both major parties are mighty powerful and their knives are kept permanently sharpened. The best you'll get is "we condemn Hamas rockets and Israel has the right to defend itself." Same in America. No context is ever allowed or admitted to. The gun lobby, the pro-Israel lobby and the big corporations have got the US politicians in their pockets. What price democracy?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 17 May 21 - 04:16 AM

UK politicians now seem too cowed and timid to open their mouths in protest
against rogue state allies..

.. too afraid they might personally suffer the same hostile consequences as Corbyn...!!!!!???


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: peteglasgow
Date: 17 May 21 - 03:05 AM

whenever a politician or a journalist wants to lie to us they always put on the suit. the bigger the lie the more expensive the suit. they leave the behind the scenes dirty work to the uniform - the suits' military wing. suits are just protective armour against truth and decency. you don't get lies from a bereaved father in a t-shirt and sandals


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 May 21 - 07:05 PM

And Alisson Becker has just scored a legendary goal...


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 16 May 21 - 06:37 PM

Nice weather for this time of the year...


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 May 21 - 06:29 PM

I suppose that the fact that we're in a supposed Brit thread might protect us, for a bit at least, from those right-wing Yank Israel-apologist deniers...


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 16 May 21 - 06:18 PM

Nah, he's a c@nt...


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 16 May 21 - 06:17 PM

Danny Danon, Former Permanent Representative of Israel to the United Nations,
is being interviewed live right now...

He seems a very nice chap..

.. Well.. he's a good friend, if you're afraid of what strings he and his regime can pull
to keep you in or out of political power in the West..


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 May 21 - 06:06 PM

From the Beeb.

In his own remarks, Biden has emphasised Israel’s right to self-defence, though in a phone call with Netanyahu on Saturday the president also “raised concerns about the safety and security of journalists”, following the bombing of the Gaza press building.

At the UN on Sunday, the Palestinian foreign minister, Riyad al-Maliki, took aim at Biden’s position.

“Remember that each time Israel hears a foreign leader speak of its right to defend itself, it is further emboldened to continue murdering entire families in their sleep,” Maliki told the security council.


For Christ's sake. "Journalists." Not kids, not women, not non-combatants, not the people struggling to maintain even the most basic water supplies and health services and schooling. This is going to define Joe Biden. He's no different to any of the other lily-livered, lobby-fearing presidents of the last sixty years, is he? Useless bugger...


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 16 May 21 - 05:48 PM

Ditto..

My thoughts exactly..

And I've been watching BBC rolling news reports throughout the day...

That nasty hate speech against our friends, is far worse our our friends killing children...


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 May 21 - 05:29 PM

Here's a piece from the Guardian:

Four men have been arrested by officers investigating a video that appeared to show antisemitic abuse being shouted from a car in north London.

Politicians had earlier condemned the footage, which was posted on Twitter and showed the cars travelling through the St John’s Wood area on Sunday afternoon. The cars were covered in Palestinian flags with a speaker blasting out antisemitic slurs and threats against Jews.

Boris Johnson described it as an act of “shameful racism” and the Labour leader, Keir Starmer, said the video was “utterly disgusting”. Starmer tweeted: “Antisemitism, misogyny and hate have no place on our streets or in our society. There must be consequences.”

The prime minister said there was no place for antisemitism in our society. “Ahead of Shavuot, I stand with Britain’s Jews, who should not have to endure the type of shameful racism we have seen today,” he added.


That item was given extensive coverage on the BBC ten o'clock news. In the same bulletin we heard about dozens of civilians in Gaza slaughtered by Israeli air attacks, many of them children. The coverage of that was brief and we heard precisely NO condemnation from any politician on either side of the pond. We did see impressive footage of Israel's amazing anti-rocket armaments, of course. Don't you just love the bloody hypocrisy?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 May 21 - 12:51 PM

I wonder what any of our party leaders have to say about the fact that Israel is slaughtering children (again) with its non-smart target practice into Gaza? Haven't heard much... And this also looks like Biden's first massive failure. UN criticism of Israel was blocked by the US last week (so what's new?). The yanks had to allow today's Security Council meeting (in which they can carry on vetoing if necessary), even though they didn't want it, but had to give in in order to avoid a General Council meeting in which the US would have found itself isolated. Biden looks paralysed. How bloody disappointing. Tragic even. Here we go again.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 16 May 21 - 12:30 PM

Hello, it's gone a bit quiet down here, is anybody out there...

Anything happening in the wider outside world which might have caused our glorious strong leader starmer
to keep quietly out of the spotlight just right now...???

Has the soft slippery wazzock backed himself into a sticky situation,
where he daren't say anything for fear of being at the receiving end of a tirade of
hostile trumped up accusations from his friends in international high places;
who helped him into power as Labour leader...

He knows only too well what happened to the last bloke who had his job, when he innocently suggested a particular regime is acting far too far out of civilised humane order...

Hello.. anybody...?????


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 13 May 21 - 08:32 PM

https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2021/may/13/eu-citizens-arriving-in-uk-being-locked-up-and-expelled


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 13 May 21 - 03:04 PM

Perhaps blame it on frumpy jealous brexiteer wives trying to keep sexy young Euro Au Pairs out of Britain...???

That would basically be the plot of "Carry On Brexit"...


Yes it might be that funny, if the reality of these harsh detainments wasn't so petty and cruel.....


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: The Sandman
Date: 13 May 21 - 02:59 PM

Steve, if you want to do something about this you would be better off contacting your local MP


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: The Sandman
Date: 13 May 21 - 02:51 PM

I agree that what is happening now is disgraceful, but blaming everyone who voted leave four years ago and calling them ALL racist is inaccurate.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 13 May 21 - 01:43 PM

I read it earlier and had the same thoughts, SPB. If this was happening to Brits entering Europe there would be an outrage in the tabloid press. However, I don't think all those who voted leave did so for racist reasons. However, given how close the result was, I have no doubt that the racist vote, fuelled by the contemptible toad, Farage, did tip the balance most severely.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 13 May 21 - 01:10 PM

It is indisputable that people who voted leave enabled this to happen, and have to take their share of responsibility for this. May's 'hostile environment' showed clearly what the tory government would do.

If this was happening to UK nationals going to mainland Europe or to Ireland, then the gutter press would be up in the air demanding Europeans' blood.

This article is sickening.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: The Sandman
Date: 13 May 21 - 12:56 PM

Steve, it is not proof at all.I SUSPECT Denis Skinner Voted leave he is not a racist. i agree it is disgraceful what is happening , but it does not mean that all leave voters are racists, the vote happened some years ago and not every person who voted leave then would anticipate what is happening now, some of them may have imagined that the uk might be in a similiar position to norway.
no, the fault here lies with the uk government and those people who more recntly voted conservative, not what happened in 2016


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 13 May 21 - 12:22 PM

The is proof that everyone who voted who voted leave are racists who have now lost the right to call themselves human and should not even be entitled to breath our air. How do I know this will not happen to my partner when next time she comes to stay with me?

DISGUSTING


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 12 May 21 - 01:41 PM

Not watched it all as my attention span is too short! But I have been aware of the community wealth project in Preston for a long time. In fact, I have commented on it on here when discussing the role of responsible capitalism in socialist societies. I was quite surprised by the mention of Salford in the same piece as my experience of Salford council is a corrupt bunch of incompetents in the pocket of Peel Holdings. I suppose the leopard can change its spots. Andy Burnham seems ok but I don't know enough about him. If he brings Manchester buses back under public ownership, he'll do me.


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